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I really don't understand it. I actually found the Strikeforce fights tonight entertaining and somewhat surprising. Best of all, it was FREE. The UFC has only had two good events in recent memory-UFC 100 and the Machida/Sho gun event. This is not due to the caliber of the fighters but to weak match-ups event after event. If your honest with yourself, you would admit that it hasn't exactly been stellar. Take a look at the Vancouver fight card for example. You people who buy a lot of these events are getting ripped off plain and simple. UFC already has most of the top fighters so they can pretty do whatever the ---- they want. I would hate to see what it's like when they control the entire market.

 

So all you people bashing a free event for the sake of propping up the UFC need to keep it real. For all their "lack of talent", Strikeforce ACTUALLY gives fight fans what they want to see. You don't have to wait every two years for a fight card worth watching. There not in the business of "protecting" fighters reputations.

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i wish UFC did have the monopoly im tired of all of these "what if.." debates the whole lestard vs fedor thing would have already happened and debate would have been over and not an on going debate on whether or not who would win, if all fighters were in the same organization those annoying debates wouldnt be going on

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so it doesn't turn into boxing.

 

As far as monopoly goes, I just want it to be like the NFL. All the top players/fighters in the same org. There can always be plenty of minor leagues like SF and Dream to feed the UFC.

 

As far as SF giving the fans the fights they want to see. UMMM, I've wanted to see Overeem defend his title for 3 years now and how has that gone? And how does Fedor killing Rogers = Rogers getting titleshot over Fedor work. If that's want a non-mma-monopoly is, I'll take the monopoly, thank you very much.

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The UFC fights are free as well if you can actually wait long enough till their on Spike eventually... As for Strikeforce their not free when you have to subscribe to Showtime to see most of their fights... Most of the fighters in Strikeforce are not as exciting or are UFC's trash any how subscribing to Showtime would be a total waste...

 

I'd rather the UFC has the Monopy so we get to see Fedor fight some real competition like Lesnar and Carwin rather than the UFC garbage they gave to Strikeforce any day...

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There is no other way to do it. I hear what you're saying but how many great fights will we see when the best fighters are spread out over differen't organizations like M1, Strike Force, and the UFC. None of them will want to risk destroying their top fighters reps unless the price is right. And guess who will be paying that price!.

And don't even get me started on the issues surrounding Russian sports. Even NHL players who came from Russia are constantly getting blackmailed be the Russian mob just because they still have relatives living there. Our best bet is to let Dana run things and keep close tabs on him.

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UFC clearly has the majority of the best MMA talent, the best fight cards, the money and means to put together a good presentation, and great leadership. If the UFC had a complete monopoly there could be an actual ranking system in place and I gaurentee the events would be airing on national TV for free without all the SF/WWE type drama.

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I must admit that even I started believing the UFC hype. Hendo was the number 1 contender for Silva's belt IMO and he got absolutely dominated by a guy whose ground and pound was love taps compared to the scud missles of Fedor. I didn't think shields would make it out of the first round.

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i wish UFC did have the monopoly im tired of all of these "what if.." debates the whole lestard vs fedor thing would have already happened and debate would have been over and not an on going debate on whether or not who would win' date=' if all fighters were in the same organization those annoying debates wouldnt be going on[/quote']

 

Trust me, there is no what ifs with Fed/Les. Those who've seen Fedor fight know what I'm talking about. How long has it been since Silva fought a worthy opponent?

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I really don't understand it. I actually found the Strikeforce fights tonight entertaining and somewhat surprising. Best of all' date=' it was FREE. The UFC has only had two good events in recent memory-UFC 100 and the Machida/Sho gun event. This is not due to the caliber of the fighters but to weak match-ups event after event. If your honest with yourself, you would admit that it hasn't exactly been stellar. Take a look at the Vancouver fight card for example. You people who buy a lot of these events are getting ripped off plain and simple. UFC already has most of the top fighters so they can pretty do whatever the ---- they want. I would hate to see what it's like when they control the entire market.

 

So all you people bashing a free event for the sake of propping up the UFC need to keep it real. For all their "lack of talent", Strikeforce ACTUALLY gives fight fans what they want to see. You don't have to wait every two years for a fight card worth watching. There not in the business of "protecting" fighters reputations.[/quote']

 

i agree completely with surprising but comeon nothing was exciting about those fights beside the 1st round with hendo

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How could anyone think this was an entertaining card. This was AHL compared to watching the NHL, It is just not the calibre of the UFC, that is why we pay for UFC events. And I want UFC to have a monopoly becuase they put on more events with better fighters and better fight nights (free) and more of them then SF. UFC gained so much from this card. I'm sure that Dana is loving this,

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so those of you who replied thus far are satisfied with the fight cards you've been given?

 

Oh hell yeah, you don't have to have title fights to have great fights. Brock Carwin is going to be huge. There are plenty of good fights out there.

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so it doesn't turn into boxing.

 

As far as monopoly goes' date=' I just want it to be like the NFL. All the top players/fighters in the same org. There can always be plenty of minor leagues like SF and Dream to feed the UFC.

 

As far as SF giving the fans the fights they want to see. UMMM, I've wanted to see Overeem defend his title for 3 years now and how has that gone? And how does Fedor killing Rogers = Rogers getting titleshot over Fedor work. If that's want a non-mma-monopoly is, I'll take the monopoly, thank you very much.[/quote']

 

how could it ever be like the NFL? The equivalent of the NFL would be several different MMA organizations that do joint promotions instead of one single guy calling all the shots. Don't underestimate greed. you've seen it play out in the past few years with the lack of interesting matchups.

 

Btw, Rogers is legit.

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i wish UFC did have the monopoly im tired of all of these "what if.." debates the whole lestard vs fedor thing would have already happened and debate would have been over and not an on going debate on whether or not who would win' date=' if all fighters were in the same organization those annoying debates wouldnt be going on[/quote']

 

best argument

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Oh hell yeah' date=' you don't have to have title fights to have great fights. Brock Carwin is going to be huge. There are plenty of good fights out there.[/quote']

 

I agree, but fights like that these days in the UFC are few and far between. Dana's hand is kind of forced with Lesnar though. He can't give him garbage opponents because he would murder them.

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The bottom line is tonight sucked but we all still watched it. And we will all watch the next one because we like watching MMA. THey didn't need the theatrics and now there's less of a chance I'll watch the next one because I don't want MMA turning in to whatever the hell that was.

Shields is a good fighter. The fight was boring as hell however. Especially when they got locked up in that gay pretzel thing against the cage where they couldn't tell whose limbs were whose and just layed there for a while trying to sort it all out. ;) That was a serious low point for brazilian jiu jitsu.:P

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Btw' date=' Rogers is legit[/b'].

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... he thinks Rogers is legit... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG I"m going to die... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Rogers...HAHAHAHA legit... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... do stand up man that is some solid material.. .HAHAHAHAH LEGIT... ROGERS.. OMGHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

 

I think i got my point across

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The bottom line is tonight sucked but we all still watched it. And we will all watch the next one because we like watching MMA. THey didn't need the theatrics and now there's less of a chance I'll watch the next one because I don't want MMA turning in to whatever the hell that was.

Shields is a good fighter. The fight was boring as hell however. Especially when they got locked up in that gay pretzel thing against the cage where they couldn't tell whose limbs were whose and just layed there for a while trying to sort it all out. ;) That was a serious low point for brazilian jiu jitsu.:P

 

Tonight's event was on par with if not better than most UFC events in recent times and it was FREE. This was definately better than 112 and 111 which were both snooze fests or should I say hug fests. I expected more from Mousosi tonight, he didn't seem himself. king Mo should a ton of heart. The hendo fight was quite good minus the week ground and pound of Shields.

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Trust me' date=' there is no what ifs with Fed/Les. Those who've seen Fedor fight know what I'm talking about. How long has it been since Silva fought a worthy opponent?[/quote']

 

Anything can happen in MMA, nothing's a given. I agree Fedor would wreck Lesnar, but nothing is guaranteed. And I like the fight cards the UFC has put together, especially the one everyone was talkin' crap about that ended up being awesome...don't remember which. 112 was pretty crappy, but only cuz Anderson Silva is a jerk off, his camp complaining about having to fight Vitor, then hyping the Maia fight like it was gonna be amazing, and then getting in there and acting like "why didn't you give me someone challenging?" hmmmm....maybe they did, but you cried about it anyway. Anyway...back to the point, the UFC is the bomb, nobody said there shouldn't be other organizations, but what's strikeforce gonna do when their handful of top talent have all fought eachother? I fu@kin' love Dana, and I love the UFC, and I want Fedor and Mousassi in the UFC, King Mo would get wrecked. Seemed like Mousasi coulda beat him if he cared enough to try. Never seen someone get their @ss kicked so bad from the bottom before.

Strikeforce should call it a day and they should start a UFC D-league.

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Anything can happen in MMA' date=' nothing's a given. I agree Fedor would wreck Lesnar, but nothing is guaranteed. And I like the fight cards the UFC has put together, especially the one everyone was talkin' crap about that ended up being awesome...don't remember which. 112 was pretty crappy, but only cuz Anderson Silva is a jerk off, his camp complaining about having to fight Vitor, then hyping the Maia fight like it was gonna be amazing, and then getting in there and acting like "why didn't you give me someone challenging?" hmmmm....maybe they did, but you cried about it anyway. Anyway...back to the point, the UFC is the bomb, nobody said there shouldn't be other organizations, but what's strikeforce gonna do when their handful of top talent have all fought eachother? I fu@kin' love Dana, and I love the UFC, and I want Fedor and Mousassi in the UFC, King Mo would get wrecked. Seemed like Mousasi coulda beat him if he cared enough to try. Never seen someone get their @ss kicked so bad from the bottom before.

Strikeforce should call it a day and they should start a UFC D-league.[/quote']

 

I agree, if clean shots were the only criteria Mos woulda won. just didn't seem to have any fire tonight.

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Tonight's event was on par with if not better than most UFC events in recent times and it was FREE. This was definately better than 112 and 111 which were both snooze fests or should I say hug fests. I expected more from Mousosi tonight' date=' he didn't seem himself. king Mo should a ton of heart. The hendo fight was quite good minus the week ground and pound of Shields.[/quote']

 

Ok, now you just need to take your meds. SF is runnin' on fumes.

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Trust me' date=' there is no what ifs with Fed/Les. Those who've seen Fedor fight know what I'm talking about. How long has it been since Silva fought a worthy opponent?[/quote']

 

thats completely irrelevant to what i was saying your missing the pointm it was and example, and for the record yes there is a big what if with that fight... your an idiot if u think otherwise

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I dont think the UFC should have a monopoly per-say. But I do want the UFC to have the top 5-8 names in each division, just so we can see the best fights possible and know for sure who the best in each class is.

 

I think having organizations for up and comers or fighters on the bubble of UFC caliber is great and there should always be a place for them. But I also want to see the best fight the best, and that just isn't going to happen if they are all scattered in a bunch of different fighting organizations.

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so it doesn't turn into boxing.

 

As far as monopoly goes' date=' I just want it to be like the NFL. All the top players/fighters in the same org. There can always be plenty of minor leagues like SF and Dream to feed the UFC.

 

As far as SF giving the fans the fights they want to see. UMMM, I've wanted to see Overeem defend his title for 3 years now and how has that gone? [b']And how does Fedor killing Rogers = Rogers getting titleshot over Fedor work[/b]. If that's want a non-mma-monopoly is, I'll take the monopoly, thank you very much.

 

The highlighted part is one of the dumbest comments Ive ever heard.

 

I guess your simple mind forgot that Rodgers originally won the #1 contendership to Overeem's title when he beat Arlovski last summer, but due to whatever reason Overeem didnt want to come to Strikeforce so they put him in with Fedor for the ......

 

WAMMA CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

 

Why is Rodgers fighting for the championship is simple NOOBIE!!!

 

Werdum is fighting for the WAMMA Championship,

Rodgers is going for the Strikeforce Championship,

Later on Fedor will face either Overeem/Rodgers next, and most likely it will not be for the Strikeforce belt but the WAMMA belt.

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The UFC fights are free as well if you can actually wait long enough till their on Spike eventually... As for Strikeforce their not free when you have to subscribe to Showtime to see most of their fights... Most of the fighters in Strikeforce are not as exciting or are UFC's trash any how subscribing to Showtime would be a total waste...

 

I'd rather the UFC has the Monopy so we get to see Fedor fight some real competition like Lesnar and Carwin rather than the UFC garbage they gave to Strikeforce any day...

 

^this

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I really don't understand it. I actually found the Strikeforce fights tonight entertaining and somewhat surprising. Best of all' date=' it was FREE. The UFC has only had two good events in recent memory-UFC 100 and the Machida/Sho gun event. This is not due to the caliber of the fighters but to weak match-ups event after event. If your honest with yourself, you would admit that it hasn't exactly been stellar. Take a look at the Vancouver fight card for example. You people who buy a lot of these events are getting ripped off plain and simple. UFC already has most of the top fighters so they can pretty do whatever the ---- they want. I would hate to see what it's like when they control the entire market.

 

So all you people bashing a free event for the sake of propping up the UFC need to keep it real. For all their "lack of talent", Strikeforce ACTUALLY gives fight fans what they want to see. You don't have to wait every two years for a fight card worth watching. There not in the business of "protecting" fighters reputations.[/quote']

 

I was just talking about this in another thread and the UFC having complete control is capitalism at its most horrid.

 

Apart from that why do people always want strikeforce to die out?

 

If there isn't a UFC for a while and SF put on a card at least you've got the chance of seeing some more mma!

 

Last nights weren't the best of fights but there were 3 upsets for the titles and that doesn't happen very often. Actually, I'd go as far to say that this has never happened in a card before and probably never will again!

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I really don't understand it. I actually found the Strikeforce fights tonight entertaining and somewhat surprising. Best of all' date=' it was FREE. The UFC has only had two good events in recent memory-UFC 100 and the Machida/Sho gun event. This is not due to the caliber of the fighters but to weak match-ups event after event. If your honest with yourself, you would admit that it hasn't exactly been stellar. Take a look at the Vancouver fight card for example. You people who buy a lot of these events are getting ripped off plain and simple. UFC already has most of the top fighters so they can pretty do whatever the ---- they want. I would hate to see what it's like when they control the entire market.

 

So all you people bashing a free event for the sake of propping up the UFC need to keep it real. For all their "lack of talent", Strikeforce ACTUALLY gives fight fans what they want to see. You don't have to wait every two years for a fight card worth watching. There not in the business of "protecting" fighters reputations.[/quote']

 

I don't agree. I want to see the best in one place because I don't have all day to research and follow MMA. I have a life. I have a job. I have to spend quality time with my family and just don't have it in me to search all over TV, the Internet and magazines for 2 or 3 great fighters in one organization. Not everyone is an MMA nerd with all day to read blogs, look at pictures, read articles and study stats.

 

I'm a fairly new fan to the sport. I got into MMA about 5 years ago and couldn't imagine trying to get caught up now in 2010.

 

For the record, we got what we paid for with the Strikeforce Fights last-night. Yeah, it was free for a reason.

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I was just talking about this in another thread and the UFC having complete control is capitalism at its most horrid.

 

Nothing horrid about capitalism unless you're a socialist that's a fart away from communism. If it wasn't for capitalism, you wouldn't be here bashing it. It's as American as Apple Pie.

 

What do you want? Do you want Dana to just start handing his fighters over to another group to make it fair? You want him to stop looking for the best fighters? Maybe a little less quality?

 

You socialist make me laugh with your liberal ideals in everyday life and now I have to see it bleeding into my favorite sport? Shoot me now!

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BANG...consider yourself shot!

 

Not the place to get into a political debate but that's not what I was trying to do. Yeah I would like to see UFC have Fedor, Overeem etc but I would rather there are other companies out there putting on fights so there are more to watch!

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BANG...consider yourself shot!

 

Not the place to get into a political debate but that's not what I was trying to do. Yeah I would like to see UFC have Fedor' date=' Overeem etc but I would rather there are other companies out there putting on fights so there are more to watch![/quote']

 

I wasn't getting into a political debate, I was ending it. I didn't bring capitalism into the conversation, I was pointing out why it was bad to hate it in MMA.

 

Politics is part of everyday life and unless you're blind....it's part of MMA in 2010.

 

What about McCain trying to ban it, is it worth bringing politics into conversation on the message board then? Just because you don't have the intellect to handle both in one conversation doesn't mean I don't.

 

Go back to licking your Fedor poster.

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Go back to licking your Lesnar poster

 

Seriously mate? I thought this was a debate and not a kindergarten.

 

For one, can't stand Lesnar. Two, yeah I know politics is part of mma, it's part of everything. If you are such a stalwart of capitalism then you would of wanted McCain to get in and thus the end of mma.

 

I'm into all mma mate and just like to watch fights. Everyone into mma wants to see the best prove it against the best of other orgs. The contractual agreements for the UFC make it what it is and keeps a hold of its talent. It just kind of wastes it for other types of competitions and some of the other fighters want to fight more times in a year in different settings and competitions.

 

My initial point was that a monopoly is a bad but I would like to see the best prove it against the best.

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I don't agree. I want to see the best in one place because I don't have all day to research and follow MMA. I have a life. I have a job. I have to spend quality time with my family and just don't have it in me to search all over TV' date=' the Internet and magazines for 2 or 3 great fighters in one organization. Not everyone is an MMA nerd with all day to read blogs, look at pictures, read articles and study stats.

 

I'm a fairly new fan to the sport. I got into MMA about 5 years ago and couldn't imagine trying to get caught up now in 2010.

 

For the record, we got what we paid for with the Strikeforce Fights last-night. Yeah, it was free for a reason.[/quote']

 

makes no sense

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Go back to licking your Lesnar poster

 

Seriously mate? I thought this was a debate and not a kindergarten.

 

For one' date=' can't stand Lesnar. Two, yeah I know politics is part of mma, it's part of everything. If you are such a stalwart of capitalism then you would of wanted McCain to get in and thus the end of mma.

 

I'm into all mma mate and just like to watch fights. Everyone into mma wants to see the best prove it against the best of other orgs. The contractual agreements for the UFC make it what it is and keeps a hold of its talent. It just kind of wastes it for other types of competitions and some of the other fighters want to fight more times in a year in different settings and competitions.

 

My initial point was that a monopoly is a bad but I would like to see the best prove it against the best.[/quote']

 

 

Look "mate", I'd like to see the UFC like the NFL and the rest would feed the best into it.

 

I'm not trying to be a **** but you really need to learn what a monopoly is before you use the word. Dana DOES NOT have a monopoly. He just has the best.

 

I believe in capitalism not McCain. I think you should take your own advice and not bring politics into THIS conversation. You're not brushed up enough to go head to head with me. I'm just giving you fair warning.

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ARE YOU SLOW? I'm saying I want my fighters in one place.....MAKE SENSE NOW? Can you understand that? Did I break it down enough for you? Did it seep in? Did I dumb my reply down enough for you?

 

Yeah that's pretty clear, you want everyone to think the same things you do by being brash.

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I don't agree. I want to see the best in one place because I don't have all day to research and follow MMA. I have a life. I have a job. I have to spend quality time with my family and just don't have it in me to search all over TV' date=' the Internet and magazines for 2 or 3 great fighters in one organization. Not everyone is an MMA nerd with all day to read blogs, look at pictures, read articles and study stats.

 

I'm a fairly new fan to the sport. I got into MMA about 5 years ago and couldn't imagine trying to get caught up now in 2010.

 

For the record, we got what we paid for with the Strikeforce Fights last-night. Yeah, it was free for a reason.[/quote']

 

You make no sense, its like your telling me u cant follow the english premier league or the spanish league, or italian league, all the best players are scattered over europe, your telling me ur 2 dumb to follow more than 1 league, organization...billions of people have jobs and lives, but still tune in and watch all these top teams in many dif leagues play...stop whining , ur selfish and u dont have the fighters best interests...what a pathetic reason u got, gtfo man with ur disrespectful comments

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Yeah that's pretty clear' date=' you want everyone to think the same things you do by being brash.[/quote']

 

I could care less if he or you agree with what I say but don't get into a debate and then back out by repeating that it makes no sense when it makes perfet sense.

 

I WANT MY FIGHTERS IN ONE PLACE. I WANT TO KEEP IT SIMPLE. I DON'T HAVE ALL DAY TO RESEARCH MMA. THE END!

 

Brash is saying 'BANG' and telling me not to bring politics into a conversation just because you can't handle it.

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You make no sense' date=' its like your telling me u cant follow the english premier league or the spanish league, or italian league, all the best players are scattered over europe, your telling me ur 2 dumb to follow more than 1 league, organization...billions of people have jobs and lives, but still tune in and watch all these top teams in many dif leagues play...stop whining , ur selfish and u dont have the fighters best interests...what a pathetic reason u got, gtfo man with ur disrespectful comments[/quote']

 

Much better. Yes, I want my fighters in one place. You got it.

 

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