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I'm going to listen to you, since you said Fedor can not win a title I believe you, forget all the sports analysis who's job is to rank who is the best in the world, the fact that Fedor is number 1 on all their lists is a lie, forget everyone saying Fedor is the best over the years, all the sports analysis and people's opinions can be overridden by one selfish lying person, Dana White.

 

There's a reason why Fedor was offered a godly contract, he is the best in the world so he should be paid the best in the world. Dana White knows it, he just wants stupid people to believe that Fedor is not the best so they don't go watching his shows outside of the UFC, which apparently worked on you.

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Its not Dana who influences me. If you actually watched the Brett Rogers fight then you will see that rogers dominated fedor until Rogers got caught. Rogers made a mistake, but I truely believe the likes of Carwin or Dos Santos wouldn't lose to Fedor.

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i aint a fedor fan but he would make one hell of a go at it

 

and if alot of you have not seen when Fedor gets rocked he comes back stronger and beats the turds outa people till he gets the win

 

good example Arlovski Fedor got rocked real bad and was backing up then destroyed Arlovski with a massive right with Him comeing off the ropes

 

He got rocked by Cro Cop early and was real wobbly then ending up beating down Cro Cop for the other 15 mins or what ever it was cant remember

 

Destroyed Nog for 30 mins both times Nog was considered the 2nd best heavy weight in the world before that fight too (am im a Nog fan)

 

Beat a tough opponent in Tim Silvia with a massive over hand right in like 12 seconds

 

Destroyed Brett Rogers with another huge Overhand

 

Came back from a devastaing Suplex from Randleman to sub him (alot of people though Fedor was defo gonna lose after that)

 

to be fair he has all the tools and knows how to use them

 

and before saying size is a huge matter boo to you as alot of fedors apponents have been alot larger than him and hes still destroyed them

 

i aint no fan of his but he would make one hell of run at the title and quite possibly win and anybody who dont think so is either so blinded by the fact he is not in the UFC and that must mean he aint that good or just damn stupid.

 

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Mark Coleman x2

Big Nog (prime) x2

Cro-cop (prime)

Heath Herring

along with another three former UFC HW champions

I am not saying he would win the belt but to say he hasn't even been tested is a lie.

 

Mark Coleman - Big deal

Cro-Cop yes

Big Nog yes

Heath Hearing - Big deal.

 

Guys got 32 fights and very few high level fights. Fedor is the ultimate over rated fighter. He might potentially be as good as many think but he has done anything to truly prove it. I think he'd have a rough go in the UFC. For sure he'd end up with some loses on his record if he fought in the UFC.

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Mark Coleman - Big deal

Cro-Cop yes

Big Nog yes

Heath Hearing - Big deal.

 

Guys got 32 fights and very few high level fights. Fedor is the ultimate over rated fighter. He might potentially be as good as many think but he has done anything to truly prove it. I think he'd have a rough go in the UFC. For sure he'd end up with some loses on his record if he fought in the UFC.

 

Heath Herring is no push over and i would still class him as a top heavyweight

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still dont think he would beat carwin' date=' lesnar, dos santos or mir[/quote']

 

Carwins greatest win to date is frank mir, same with brock, dos santos is gonzaga and mir beat a big nog that should of been in hospital (as opposed to a big nog in his prime like fedor did) and oh yeah check kongo... Lol come on fella who have your so called top heavyweights beat to prove that they are the best? ... well?

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If Fedor were signed with the UFC and given an immediate title shot, I think he would have a legit chance of winning the belt. But if Dana made him get a few wins before a title shot, I doubt he'd ever get the title. I think he could beat any of the top 5 HW in the UFC division on any given night.. but the same goes for them beating Fedor to.

 

If Fedor were to fight 3 fights against the top 5 HW in the UFC, I'd could definitely see him losing at least 1 fight.

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I'm going to listen to you' date=' since you said Fedor can not win a title I believe you, forget all the sports analysis who's job is to rank who is the best in the world, the fact that Fedor is number 1 on all their lists is a lie, forget everyone saying Fedor is the best over the years, all the sports analysis and people's opinions can be overridden by one selfish lying person, Dana White.

 

There's a reason why Fedor was offered a godly contract, he is the best in the world so he should be paid the best in the world. Dana White knows it, he just wants stupid people to believe that Fedor is not the best so they don't go watching his shows outside of the UFC, which apparently worked on you.[/quote']

 

 

The only thing these analysts have to go on is opinion. Look at all the fighters who were deemed stars from Pride Nog ,Hendo ,Rua, Crocop ,Herring etc. They have ALL had their asses handed to them a few times and none of them have even won a belt between them. The only fighter from Prides elite to come into the UFC and really star is Rampage Jackson who has only been beaten once since his arrival and he won and defended the LHW gold. So if you take all these facts would it not be fair to say that there is a small chance that Pride fighters were way over hyped and the UFC had the better talent pool all along? Would this not mean there is a chance that Fedor is not really super ****ing man

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Oh yeah do you not think Fedor was offered a massive contract to fight in the UFC so Dana White could prove to the world that Fedor is not the greatest fighter ever. As Dana once said"You are not going to blow my mind calling Fedor one of the best heavyweights out there but to call him P4P the best in the world is just insane"

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The only thing these analysts have to go on is opinion. Look at all the fighters who were deemed stars from Pride Nog ' date='Hendo ,Rua, Crocop ,Herring etc. They have ALL had their asses handed to them a few times and none of them have even won a belt between them. The only fighter from Prides elite to come into the UFC and really star is Rampage Jackson who has only been beaten once since his arrival and he won and defended the LHW gold. So if you take all these facts would it not be fair to say that there is a small chance that Pride fighters were way over hyped and the UFC had the better talent pool all along? Would this not mean there is a chance that Fedor is not really super ****ing man[/quote']

 

Wasntchuck in pride? And he did ok for himself in the ufc! Didnt chuck get beat by rampage in pride? And didnt rampage get destroyed... Yes destroyed by rua? My point being is that the fighters you named were beasts in pride and like it or not were on a decline coming into the ufc some/ most of these boys have been around for over ten years so yeah they are gonna fall off, its just a fact of life, but it doesnt mean that they werent at the top of the game back in the day and to say they were overrated is jus disrespectful of everythin theyve done for the sport. If mike tyson were to still be boxing would he get his **** kicked? For sure! But would any of these heavyweights out there now stand a chance against tyson in his prime? No way! Fedor beat the sports top fighters when they were in their prime, and just because the ufc top fighters have beat frank mir (and if you look at the ufcs top heavyweights there best win was against mir) you cant say that this means theyd destroy fedor, after all mirs greatest recent wins were an injured old nog and check kongo!

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I think he's a talented guy, I dont think he is as good as people say he is.. If he was going to fight in the UFC he would have done it all ready, He's perfectly happy being payed a shed load of money to be strikeforces top guy, and be a very large fish in a very small pond.. 12 HW's inc Fedor.. I dont think we'll ever see him fight in UFC and to be honest i'm not really that bothered..

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Mark Coleman x2

Big Nog (prime) x2

Cro-cop (prime)

Heath Herring

along with another three former UFC HW champions

I am not saying he would win the belt but to say he hasn't even been tested is a lie.

 

mark coleman..won the ufc heavyweight title..lost it..left the ufc..fought 2nd class competition in pride apart from big nog (loss), Emelianenko (loss x 2), cro cop (loss)..made his way back to the ufc to lose to rua in the rematch, beat bonner (meh) and get cut after a embarrasing performance and loss to to randy..hopefully hes gone for good now

 

cro-cop ..beaten twice before Emelianenko got to him...beaten shortly after Emelianenko beat him (mark hunt) and is now reaching the end of his career

 

heath herring...beated 7 times before Emelianenko beat him, lost to cro cop straight after (note - cro cop did it in 3 mins..Emelianenko took 10) and his career ended losing every other fight

 

"3 FORMER ufc heavyweight champ..."

 

i agree he hasnt really been tested..but apart from Big Nog..

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The only thing these analysts have to go on is opinion. Look at all the fighters who were deemed stars from Pride Nog ' date='Hendo ,Rua, Crocop ,Herring etc. They have ALL had their asses handed to them a few times and none of them have even won a belt between them. The only fighter from Prides elite to come into the UFC and really star is Rampage Jackson who has only been beaten once since his arrival and he won and defended the LHW gold. So if you take all these facts would it not be fair to say that there is a small chance that Pride fighters were way over hyped and the UFC had the better talent pool all along? Would this not mean there is a chance that Fedor is not really super ****ing man[/quote']

 

Pride Nog won two straight fights in the UFC one against a former champion. He also later won against Coutore.

Hendo only lost to other Pride fighters, Rampage and Anderson so that cant count. Other than that he had 3 straight victories. One against a former UFC champ.

Rua lost his first fight but has been very dangerous ever since. Infact he is the uncrowned LHW champion or at the very least a top contender. He also has a victory against two former UFC champs

Crocop did very bad for the caliber of fighter he was in Pride. Noone cant deny that

Herring was average in Pride and nothing changed when he camed to the UFC

Rampage very sucesufull in the UFC.

Anderson Silva again very sucesufull

Werdum was a top contender. Has been 2-2 in the UFC. Not bad not great either

Lil Nog just scored an impressive Ko over previously undefeated fighter.

Gomi sucked but he sucked in a few fights even before coming to the UFC

Wandy didnt do great. But hey he was on two fight losing streak even before coming to the UFC. And he still gives exciting fights

Now If you look at it this way Pride fighters did pretty good. They didnt dominate but they did good. And you cant really compare todays UFC with Pride.

Beacuse when Pride was disbanded the UFC had fighters like Mir, Coutore, Arlovski, Sylvia, Chuck Liddel, Tito, Griffin, Franklin, Hughes, Gsp, Bj Penn, Bisping

So the answer is NO. UFC didnt have better talent, except in the LW and WW division. Guys like Machida, Cain, Carwin, Jds, Jones... and so on are the new blood and they cant be compared with Pride fighters since they werent even in the UFC to begin with. And guys like Machida and JDS wouldnt even come to the UFC if Pride guys like Nog would still be fighting in Pride

Is UFC better now than Pride was before. The answer is Yes

But was the UFC better than Pride when they were competing with each other. Absolutly NOT

Fedor is the man. There are a few good guys in the UFC that would definitly pose a threat to Fedor but so would some other guys outside of the UFC and as long as Fedor is fighting them (which he is) he is still the number one. There is definitly a posibility that he could lose in the UFC but he is rightfully the favourite to win in any fight.

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mark coleman..won the ufc heavyweight title..lost it..left the ufc..fought 2nd class competition in pride apart from big nog (loss)' date=' Emelianenko (loss x 2), cro cop (loss)..made his way back to the ufc to lose to rua in the rematch, beat bonner (meh) and get cut after a embarrasing performance and loss to to randy..hopefully hes gone for good now

 

cro-cop ..beaten twice before Emelianenko got to him...beaten shortly after Emelianenko beat him (mark hunt) and is now reaching the end of his career

 

heath herring...beated 7 times before Emelianenko beat him, lost to cro cop straight after (note - cro cop did it in 3 mins..Emelianenko took 10) and his career ended losing every other fight

 

"3 FORMER ufc heavyweight champ..."

 

i agree he hasnt really been tested..but apart from Big Nog..[/quote']

 

When Fedor fought Crocop. Crocop was on a seven fight win streak and destroying everyvone. How can you discredit that

And when Fedor fought Coleman. Coleman was 7-1 in his last 8 fights with the sole lose to Nogueira.

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Mark Coleman - Big deal

Cro-Cop yes

Big Nog yes

Heath Hearing - Big deal.

 

Guys got 32 fights and very few high level fights. Fedor is the ultimate over rated fighter. He might potentially be as good as many think but he has done anything to truly prove it. I think he'd have a rough go in the UFC. For sure he'd end up with some loses on his record if he fought in the UFC.

 

Obviously you have been watching MMA(prob only UFC) for about two years if you think that beating Mark Coleman in his primem is easy.Coleman was the daddy in his day....

 

Fedors record is by far the best in the world of MMA.

most fighters have padded records but he certainly does not....

He was in the #1 organisation for HW(Pride) and dominated it....fighting thye best of the best and beating every one of them.

 

All you new fans see the new UFC heavyweights and for some reason totally over rate them...when the only people they have beaten is eachother.....

 

What makes you think that Brett Rogers,Overeem,Werdum,Lashley etc aren't as good as the UFC roster......

 

All you UFC huggers had Mir as top3 in the world and his record is shocking...Hes lost to Ian Freeman....

 

UFC#2 middleweight Hendo lost to a WW from strikeforce....that tells me all i need to know about the standard of strikeforce.

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Why is he being branded the best in the world when he hasn't fought on the "Ultimate proving ground" as Bruce Buffer would say. He has only fought guys who wudn't be considered in the UFC top 5 over the last three years

 

You're right, flabor wouldn'tbeat Lesnar or Carwin.

 

Rankings take time to catch up to fighter's actual current abilities.

 

So dont' worry, he'll lose his ranking sooner than you think.

 

One MMA organization has published that if Lesnar beats Carwin, Lesnar could be moved to #1 in the ranking over flabor even if flabor wins his next match because like you said flabor isn't fighting tough enough competition any more.

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You're right' date=' flabor wouldn'tbeat Lesnar or Carwin.

 

Rankings take time to catch up to fighter's actual current abilities.

 

So dont' worry, he'll lose his ranking sooner than you think.

 

[b']One MMA organization[/b] has published that if Lesnar beats Carwin, Lesnar could be moved to #1 in the ranking over flabor even if flabor wins his next match because like you said flabor isn't fighting tough enough competition any more.

 

& the rest havent....

 

Fedor has proved it against everyone...except the top UFC fighters since 2008...

 

see my post about 3 above this^^^^^^

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I'm a Fedor fan, but I'm not on the Fedor bandwagon. That said, this is not a troll post so dont hate on it as such..

 

If Fedor came to the UFC, I see him only getting as far as Big Nog did. Now I know Nog was interim champ for awhile, but he eventually got man slapped down to about # 5 on the HW rankings, and when it really comes down to it I think Fedor would be around the same place.. but maybe # 3-4

 

Now I dont hate Fedor, in fact its quite the contrary, and I would root him on against anyone in the UFC so dont take all this the wrong way. He has had some amazing comebacks, great submissions and heavy hands, but he is extremely undersized these days. Guys like Carwin and Brock would be able to push Fedor around much to easily for me to say that Fedor would be champ. Likewise Cain and JDS show some serious skills at beating the **** out of people.. and Fedor was getting the short end of the stick against Rogers, who is like half as scary as Cain and JDS.

 

Truth is Fedor is a legend. He will always be a fan favorite, and he will always be considered the greatest of all time (and rightfully so), but if he comes to the UFC it will end badly for him. He will make some amazing fights, and amazing ppv numbers.. but I for one will expect the worst against the UFC top 4.

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Here is the thing that NO ONE IS NOTICING!

 

Fedor was the first of the "new age" fighters, the complete fighters that are well rounded and not just a kickboxer or a ground and pound or a BJJ specialist. Thats what made him so great against all of the above mentioned old school fighters.

 

Put him in the ring with guys like JDS / Cain etc...

 

IMO Werdum will be his first really credited win in a long time, I only really give him props for his victories over Mirko and Big Nog. His win over arlovski wasnt so impressive, Andre was winning so far and got impatient and paid for that. it was a spectacular knock out, but the win only came from Andre's impatience.

 

To me Fedor is great because he is a PIONEER! He was the first true mixed martial artist, but now adays i do not think he would beat Brock, JDS or Cain. He would run through the heavy weight division up0 to contendership with no problems though

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Obviously you have been watching MMA(prob only UFC) for about two years if you think that beating Mark Coleman in his primem is easy.Coleman was the daddy in his day....

 

Fedors record is by far the best in the world of MMA.

most fighters have padded records but he certainly does not....

He was in the #1 organisation for HW(Pride) and dominated it....fighting thye best of the best and beating every one of them.

 

All you new fans see the new UFC heavyweights and for some reason totally over rate them...when the only people they have beaten is eachother.....

 

What makes you think that Brett Rogers' date='Overeem,Werdum,Lashley etc aren't as good as the UFC roster......

 

All you UFC huggers had Mir as top3 in the world and his record is shocking...Hes lost to Ian Freeman....

 

UFC#2 middleweight Hendo lost to a WW from strikeforce....that tells me all i need to know about the standard of strikeforce.[/quote']

 

Sorely off base. The reason the SF heavyweight division is ranked below the UFCs.. is because it is below the UFCs. Overeem, the champ, is 0-5 against UFC LHWs.. what has he done to make you think he would touch the UFC strap? Rogers has not beaten anyone relevant (Arlovski is not relevant) and his good performance against Fedor speaks more towards Fedor's regression then his own amazing ablities IMHO. Werdum is legit, and had a good UFC run once, but he just needs to stay consistent. Lashely is just meh..

 

I understand the frustration with UFC huggers, but I'm tired of hearing people say that SFs heavyweights are on par with the UFCs.. they are not. Truth is UFCs top 4> then SFs entire divison...

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Here is the thing that NO ONE IS NOTICING!

 

Fedor was the first of the "new age" fighters' date=' the complete fighters that are well rounded and not just a kickboxer or a ground and pound or a BJJ specialist. Thats what made him so great against all of the above mentioned old school fighters.

 

Put him in the ring with guys like JDS / Cain etc...

 

IMO Werdum will be his first really credited win in a long time, I only really give him props for his victories over Mirko and Big Nog. His win over arlovski wasnt so impressive, Andre was winning so far and got impatient and paid for that. it was a spectacular knock out, but the win only came from Andre's impatience.

 

To me Fedor is great because he is a PIONEER! He was the first true mixed martial artist, but now adays i do not think he would beat Brock, JDS or Cain. He would run through the heavy weight division up0 to contendership with no problems though[/quote']

 

i dont get it how can you say that fedor wouldnt beat brock, jds or cain but then have him in your top 5 p4p and not have any of them in it??? (p4p list is on the bottom of post a couple up)

 

lets face the facts fedors beat everyone put in front of him and alot of them in their prime and cntinues to fight top ten opponents, jds biggest victory to date is gonzaga, cains is an old and unfortunatly past it big nog, carwins is mir and brocks is mir, mirs is a big nog that should of been in hospital and not fighting... now im not saying that any of these couldnt beat fedor but to say that they would because theyve beat an old,ill and past his best big nog, gonzaga and frank mir is ridiculous and if you people genuinly believe this then you clearly dont understand mma as you dont look further than the ufc

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Obviously you have been watching MMA(prob only UFC) for about two years if you think that beating Mark Coleman in his primem is easy.Coleman was the daddy in his day....

 

Fedors record is by far the best in the world of MMA.

most fighters have padded records but he certainly does not....

He was in the #1 organisation for HW(Pride) and dominated it....fighting thye best of the best and beating every one of them.

 

All you new fans see the new UFC heavyweights and for some reason totally over rate them...when the only people they have beaten is eachother.....

 

What makes you think that Brett Rogers' date='Overeem,Werdum,Lashley etc aren't as good as the UFC roster......

 

All you UFC huggers had Mir as top3 in the world and his record is shocking...Hes lost to Ian Freeman....

 

UFC#2 middleweight Hendo lost to a WW from strikeforce....that tells me all i need to know about the standard of strikeforce.[/quote']

 

Dude there is a good chance you were still in diapers when I started watching MMA, not to mention when I first started watching Coleman fight. I've always though coleman to be a decent fighter. His whole title as god father of ground and pound is a little over hyped but either way I always liked him but never thought of him as a consistently high level fighter. And Fedor's record truly is padded. Brett Rogers is a baby in the sport still will very few high level fights under his belt.

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