BrockObama Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 A couple of guys on here are bringing up Carwin's 5 submission victories as evidence of his well-rounded MMA skills. Many of you may be surprised to learn that Carwin has any submission victories on his record. Well, there's a good reason for that: The guys he submitted are all nobodies who exist solely to pad the records of other fighters. But don't worry, I did some digging around and here's what I found out about them: 1) Carlton Jones - MMA record 1-4. The crowning achievement of his short-lived career was being the first notch in Shane Carwin's belt. Plus, the submission was due to strikes, so it's not indicative of any kind of BJJ prowess. 2) Casey Jackson - MMA record 4-2. Got submitted 22 seconds into his fight with Carwin by guillotine choke. Probably shot in with a sloppy takedown attempt and gave up his neck. Gift-wrapped submission victory. 3) Jay McCown - MMA record 1-3. Four fights in ten years. 4) Chris Guillen - MMA record 13-12. This guy has quite an impressive resume...of guys who kicked his ****! Heath Herring, Shane Carwin, Ricco Rodriguez, Justin Wren, Brad Imes, and Ben Rothwel all have the distinction of beating this guy up. Somebody call for a tune-up? I've got just the guy. (Okay, so he did beat Wes Sims twice, I'll give him that). 5) Rex Richards - MMA record 6-2. Who was that second loss to, you ask? Why none other than Darrill "DD" Schoonover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 From what I hear, he's the next Nogueira. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_a_b Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 fight is a fight,carwin will destroy brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CravenMorehead Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Are you sure that isn't a list of Fedor's opponents? If not, very similar..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Are you sure that isn't a list of Fedor's opponents? If not' date=' very similar.....[/quote'] He beat quite a few HW champs. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claxp94 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Shane Carwin: ..stand-up nulifyed with lesnar takedowns ..takedown D no one can stop lesnar's takedwons taken down by gonzaga ..BJJ non-existant How is Carwin going to win again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_a_b Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Shane Carwin:..stand-up nulifyed with lesnar takedowns ..takedown D no one can stop lesnar's takedwons taken down by gonzaga ..BJJ non-existant How is Carwin going to win again? tko or ko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 tko or ko From his back? Not likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadkoo Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Taken down by gonzaga yes. But then popped right back up and knocked him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabo Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 I hear he's planning to omoplata Brock at 116. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Taken down by gonzaga yes. But then popped right back up and knocked him out. Brock's wrestling is a little better than Gonzaga's, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM5 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Hoping that Brock wins because I want to see Lesnar v Velasquez more than I do Carwin v Velasquez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_a_b Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Hoping that Brock wins because I want to see Lesnar v Velasquez more than I do Carwin v Velasquez gotta go with brock on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trodrigues Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 From his back? Not likely. I wouldn't be surprised, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joben Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 A couple of guys on here are bringing up Carwin's 5 submission victories as evidence of his well-rounded MMA skills. Many of you may be surprised to learn that Carwin has any submission victories on his record. Well' date=' there's a good reason for that: The guys he submitted are all nobodies who exist solely to pad the records of other fighters. But don't worry, I did some digging around and here's what I found out about them: 1) Carlton Jones - MMA record 1-4. The crowning achievement of his short-lived career was being the first notch in Shane Carwin's belt. Plus, the submission was due to strikes, so it's not indicative of any kind of BJJ prowess. 2) Casey Jackson - MMA record 4-2. Got submitted 22 seconds into his fight with Carwin by guillotine choke. Probably shot in with a sloppy takedown attempt and gave up his neck. Gift-wrapped submission victory. 3) Jay McCown - MMA record 1-3. Four fights in [i']ten[/i] years. 4) Chris Guillen - MMA record 13-12. This guy has quite an impressive resume...of guys who kicked his ****! Heath Herring, Shane Carwin, Ricco Rodriguez, Justin Wren, Brad Imes, and Ben Rothwel all have the distinction of beating this guy up. Somebody call for a tune-up? I've got just the guy. (Okay, so he did beat Wes Sims twice, I'll give him that). 5) Rex Richards - MMA record 6-2. Who was that second loss to, you ask? Why none other than Darrill "DD" Schoonover. unleach off brocks nuts a little bit and see the light my friend. you really have to try and discredit carwin for everything he has worked for, dont you? you are such a hater that its not even funny. Grow up and look at reality. I'm not saying Carwin is gonna walk all over brock. I'm close to 50/50 on who will win the fight. Obviously i will be rooting for Carwin, but i understand that Brock can beat him as well. You need to do the same and not be so attached to brocks nuts and realize that he can lose! (and already has) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockObama Posted May 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 unleach off brocks nuts a little bit and see the light my friend. you really have to try and discredit carwin for everything he has worked for' date=' dont you?[/i'] you are such a hater that its not even funny. Grow up and look at reality. I'm not saying Carwin is gonna walk all over brock. I'm close to 50/50 on who will win the fight. Obviously i will be rooting for Carwin, but i understand that Brock can beat him as well. You need to do the same and not be so attached to brocks nuts and realize that he can lose! (and already has) And you think I've got the balls in my mouth! What, are you penning Shane Carwin's biography, or something? "Everything he has worked for"? He hasn't been around, that long, and most of his career thus far has been against crap competition. Gonzaga was the first fight of his that mattered. All of those other fights he worked so hard for in his illustrious career have been nothing more than warm-ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remedx Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Yeah, Lesnar's submission record is impressive... oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo89 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Someone with the same wrestling pedigree as Brock that has knocked out Gonzaga and Mir within the first round along with 10 other people.. you serious man.. Carwin will be taken down at some point probably just cuz there is no way that Brock will stand with him... The difference is.. Brock wont be able to out power and hold Carwin down like he has to his other opponents.. Carwin by TKO in round 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockObama Posted May 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Yeah' date=' Lesnar's submission record is impressive... oh wait.[/quote'] I have never heard a Lesnar fan say that he would win any of his fights by submission. I'm pointing out the inconsistencies in all the Lesnar hate out there. All the things people have been bad-mouthing Brock for over the last couple of years can easily be applied to Shane Carwin, with the exception of his "disrespectful attitude," which you'll pardon me for not caring about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judo_phantom Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 From his back? Not likely. if arlovski can knock people out off of his back, i think shane can too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joben Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 And you think I've got the balls in my mouth! What' date=' are you penning Shane Carwin's biography, or something? "Everything he has worked for"? [b']He hasn't been around, that long, and most of his career thus far has been against crap competition. Gonzaga was the first fight of his that mattered. All of those other fights he worked so hard for in his illustrious career have been nothing more than warm-ups[/b]. once again, there you go discrediting him. what you bolded on my last post and trying to tell me i'm attached to his nuts is plain retarded. i simply said you're trying to discredit him. which you are because you just proved it again. i didn't say one bad thing about lesnar. you proved you are attached to brock at the nut sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTH_MMA Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 I think if Shane trains his take down defense enough and implements a similar strategy in the Mir fight, he'll wreck Brock just as quickly as any of his other fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joben Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 I think if Shane trains his take down defense enough and implements a similar strategy in the Mir fight' date=' he'll wreck Brock just as quickly as any of his other fights.[/quote'] Carwin already has pretty good takedown defense. I know he was taken down by Gonzaga, but that was very shortly after he had just rocked Carwin, so he probably couldve taken almost anyone down because of that. I know Brock's takedowns will be much better than Gonzagas would be, but people just assume that because gonzaga took carwin down that he has no takedown defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTH_MMA Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Carwin already has pretty good takedown defense. I know he was taken down by Gonzaga' date=' but that was very shortly after he had just rocked Carwin, so he probably couldve taken almost anyone down because of that. I know Brock's takedowns will be much better than Gonzagas would be, but people just assume that because gonzaga took carwin down that he has no takedown defense.[/quote'] Never said he has bad defense, but he will need to train like mad for Brock, because that's all Brock can rely on. If he tries to stand with Carwin for more than a round he will go down, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joben Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Never said he has bad defense' date=' but he will need to train like mad for Brock, because that's all Brock can rely on. If he tries to stand with Carwin for more than a round he will go down, imo.[/quote'] yeah sorry, i didn't mean for it to sound like you didn't say that. i do agree that it definitely wouldn't be a bad thing for Carwin to work on his TDD more. all i'm saying is it's better than most people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanePatrick Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Who's been saying Carwin's gameplan is going for submissions? I think it is pretty funny that people think Lesnar is going to win with a TD early. Sorry guys, Carwin isn't as easy to take down as Frank Mir and has way better standup. Carwin is bigger and stronger than anyone else Lesnar has faced, has great wrestling and extremely heavy hands. Even Mir and Couture were successful in getting time on the feet. A guy like Carwin has a great chance simply by taking a page out of Couture's book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion_Heart15 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Taken down by gonzaga yes. But then popped right back up and knocked him out. good luck standing up when you've got 290 lbs. white gorilla on top of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonk Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 good luck standing up when you've got 290 lbs. white gorilla on top of you. Heath Herring did it twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunchHigh Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 Those Five fights you mention are just as many as Brock has had in HIS CAREER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockObama Posted May 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 Those Five fights you mention are just as many as Brock has had in HIS CAREER! If you take anything away from this' date=' it should be that numbers don't mean anything when 5/6 of your fights are against garbage. You know who else had a perfect record until recently? Darrill Schoonover. 10-0 until his fight with James McSweeney at the TUF finale. La-dee-friggin-da. Now take those 10 fights on Darrill's record and superimpose them onto the first ten fights in Shane Carwin's resume. Wow, they're virtually interchangeable because those opponents are just footnotes in other fighters' records. Brock had [i']one[/i] warm-up fight, and then they fed him to the top-level competition. Sorry, but those five fights are worth more than Carwin's Ring of Fire Heavyweight Championship. Look up the guy he won that title from, by the way. His name is Sherman Pendergarst. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Pendergarst#Mixed_martial_arts_record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RampagE_AttacK Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 fight is a fight' date='carwin will destroy brock[/quote'] lol what you been smoking in grandpas pipe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoBonesJones Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 I hear he's planning to omoplata Brock at 116. huh i heard gogoplata. hes been known to slap it on rashad during there training sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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