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ok so after reading a few posts saying that rashad is gonna beat shogun i decided to open a thread and provide well thought threw facts on why i think that rashad basically doesn't stand a chance with shogun ...

 

1 . Rashad style will be his downfall : Rashad style and gameplan are known by all fighters now and it's gonna cause his demise , let's say rashad shoots to take shogun down , two thing might happen here ,

 

a . shogun stuffs it , rashad gets cough in shogun's clinch , it's all over here .

 

b. rashad is able to take shogun down , but let's not forget shogun is a bjj black belt , winner of one bjj tournament and got 5th place in a second one , if you take him down your not out of the woods yet , ask randleman , he took shogun down with ease we all know what happen , and for the people that doesn't here it is :

 

shogun_randleman.jpg

 

2. Knee surgeries wont be a factor this time : When shogun first came to the UFC he got humbled by forrest griffin , knee surgeries , bad cardio and the fact that shogun was in the worst shape of his life played a huge factor in his defeat , shogun was forced to fight injured and untrained if he wanted to earn himself some money , that is not the case now shogun will take time to heal those injuries and will be able to train better for this fight .

 

3 . Rashad's " suspect " chin ( to say the least ) : shogun will have 5 rounds , 25 mins to connect on rashad and when he does unlike rampage and thigo , he goes for the kill ...

 

4 . rashad's bad cardio : in both the rampage / thiago fight , we saw a slower , very slower rashad in the third round , what will rashad do when and if ( big if imo ) he gets to the 4th

and 5th with shogun hes gonna go for sloppy TD and hes gonna cough , again that's if the fight even lasts that long ...

 

so here are a few facts on why i think shogun would beat rashad ,

 

thanks for reading

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I would love to see Shogun fuck Rashad up' date=' but think Evans has a good chance against Shogun.

 

I still think Rua will win[/quote']

 

did you read what i wrote ? i don't think your gonna be able to read all of that in seconds lol

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OK i just read it all. You make very good points, but havent changed my opinions on the possible ways each fighter can win.

 

Rashad Evans ways to win:

 

1. Takedown, chest on chest for 5 rounds.

 

Shogun ways to win:

 

1. Get taken down by Rashad, sweep him (which shogun is good at) or submit him.

2. Leg kicks early, stop the power in Evans TD. KO Rashad in the later rounds.

3. Defend the takedowns, and since shogun is the better striker, simply outpoint Evans for a UD

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OK i just read it all. You make very good points' date=' but havent changed my opinions on the possible ways each fighter can win.

 

Rashad Evans ways to win:

 

1. Takedown, chest on chest for 5 rounds.

 

Shogun ways to win:

 

1. Get taken down by Rashad, sweep him (which shogun is good at) or submit him.

2. Leg kicks early, stop the power in Evans TD. KO Rashad in the later rounds.

3. Defend the takedowns, and since shogun is the better striker, simply outpoint Evans for a UD[/quote']

 

the way i see it is

 

if rashad takes him down chest on chest hes getting KOed in the later rounds , like how both thiago and rampage did but shogun will finish it , if not hes not getting past the second round

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the way i see it is

 

if rashad takes him down chest on chest hes getting KOed in the later rounds ' date=' like how both thiago and rampage did but shogun will finish it , if not hes not getting past the second round[/quote']

 

If Rashad is on top of Shogun for 3 rounds then Shogun will be exausted by the later rounds, eispecially coming off knee surgery and a year off. If he Evans can get Shogun down in the early rounds, what makes you think he wont do it in the later rounds?

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If Rashad is on top of Shogun for 3 rounds then Shogun will be exausted by the later rounds' date=' eispecially coming off knee surgery and a year off. If he Evans can get Shogun down in the early rounds, what makes you think he wont do it in the later rounds?[/quote']

 

rashad gets exhausted too and if rampage , a guy that lost 50 pounds and was out for a year before there fight , an thiago a guy who had a fucked up back are able to rock him , shogun would kill him imo

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rashad gets exhausted too and if rampage ' date=' a guy that lost 50 pounds and was out for a year before there fight , an thiago a guy who had a fu[u']c[/u]ked up back are able to rock him , shogun would kill him imo

 

Yeah i agree that if Shogun gets Rashad rocked like Silva and Rampae did, he will finish him. I really dont see Rua making those mistakes, judging by the way he finished off Machida so fast. However if Shogun is tired off having Evans on him for 3 rounds then it will be hard for him to KO Evans imo

 

You cant ignore the fact that Rashad also has the power to rock Shogun, anything is possible when they both have enough power to knock eachother out. This is only a little bit less likely than Shogun catching Evans. imo

 

I think Rashad will only be able to win a decision, to cautious to finish Shogun.

I think a late KO by Shogun is the most likely outcome.

A lot depends on which Shogun we see after surgery. If we see the Shogun that faced Griffin he's not going to win. If the Shogun we've seen recently comes out it will be bad for Evans imo

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Yeah i agree that if Shogun gets Rashad rocked like Silva and Rampae did' date=' he will finish him. I really dont see Rua making those mistakes, judging by the way he finished off Machida so fast. However if Shogun is tired off having Evans on him for 3 rounds then it will be hard for him to KO Evans imo

 

You cant ignore the fact that Rashad also has the power to rock Shogun, anything is possible when they both have enough power to knock eachother out. This is only a little bit less likely than Shogun catching Evans. imo

 

I think Rashad will only be able to win a decision, to cautious to finish Shogun.

I think a late KO by Shogun is the most likely outcome.

A lot depends on which Shogun we see after surgery. If we see the Shogun that faced Griffin he's not going to win. If the Shogun we've seen recently comes out it will be bad for Evans imo[/quote']

 

well rampage and thiago were tired from having rashad lay on them and they still rocked him , rashad cannot KO shogun , rua he got an iron chin , the only time ive seen him rocked is against lil nog and ended up dominating the fight after

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well rampage and thiago were tired from having rashad lay on them and they still rocked him ' date=' rashad cannot KO shogun , rua he got an iron chin , the only time ive seen him rocked is against lil nog and ended up dominating the fight after[/quote']

 

Rampage has an iron chin, Evans rocked him. Rashad is a very powerful striker and can KO just about any LHW if he hits them clean.

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Rampage has an iron chin' date=' Evans rocked him. Rashad is a very powerful striker and can KO just about any LHW if he hits them clean.[/quote']

 

He didn't rock him that bad in that punch , rashad connected on page , page then slipped then he tried to get out of the way ... it was more of slip than the effect of that rashad punch

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He didn't rock him that bad in that punch ' date=' rashad connected on page , page then slipped then he tried to get out of the way ... it was more of slip than the effect of that rashad punch[/quote']

 

I think that punch did effect Rampage. He stumbled for a second then he seemed very cautious for the rest of the fight, which cost him badly.

 

And its not just that punch. He KO'd Chuck big time when Chucks chin wasnt to bad. He KO'd Forrest. He KO'd Salmon badly.

 

Rashad really does have the power to KO Shogun imo, but it is not likely. Also Evans is not likely to try because he will be scared of getting caught yet again.

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Both these guys can win. But the thing that swings me towards Rashad, is how easy Machida took down Rua. Evans is a much better wrestler than Machida, and I think Evans will do a Lesnar/Mir II strategy. He will keep chest on chest for 5 rounds. I also believe he will have much better cardio for this fight. And standing up, yes Shogun will have the advantage, But when Evans fought Liddell, everyone thought Liddell had better stand up. And as for Evans not being able to KO Rua. If Evans lands the same puch he landed on Liddell, any fighter in the world would be out cold. Period

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Man it is so frustrating to read people present what they believe to be "facts" when they are nothing more than opinions, based on loose observation.

 

First and foremost, ipressed to predict a winner in this fight, I would probably have to lean toward Shogun.

 

But the point I need to make is that it is nowhere near as black and white as that. Rashad has fought perfectly respectable competition, and has emerged with a particularly impressive record.

 

Before the Rampage fight, most people on this board were foolishly stating that Rashad had nothing for Rampage, and that Rampage was just too high a calibur of fighter for Rashad to complete with.... Its all nonsense.

 

Rashad has excellent training, excellent tactics and excellent cardio (despite the cretins who think that going three rounds of wrestling should not tire you out, and who also think that the Shogun fight will play out the same way).

 

Also, nobody here has given Rashad credit for his KO power. I'm the first to admit that Rua's striking is much better overall, but Rashad can change a fight with one big punch.

 

I'm not saying that I know either way how the fight will turn out, but at least I am not making bogus claims about "facts".

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ok so after reading a few posts saying that rashad is gonna beat shogun i decided to open a thread and provide well thought threw facts on why i think that rashad basically doesn't stand a chance with shogun ...

 

1 . Rashad style will be his downfall : Rashad style and gameplan are known by all fighters now and it's gonna cause his demise ' date=' let's say rashad shoots to take shogun down , two thing might happen here ,

 

a . shogun stuffs it , rashad gets cough in shogun's clinch , it's all over here .

 

b. rashad is able to take shogun down , but let's not forget shogun is a bjj black belt , winner of one bjj tournament and got 5th place in a second one , if you take him down your not out of the woods yet , ask randleman , he took shogun down with ease we all know what happen , and for the people that doesn't here it is :

 

[img']http://www.buymmadvds.com/img/screen/shogun_randleman.jpg[/img]

 

2. Knee surgeries wont be a factor this time : When shogun first came to the UFC he got humbled by forrest griffin , knee surgeries , bad cardio and the fact that shogun was in the worst shape of his life played a huge factor in his defeat , shogun was forced to fight injured and untrained if he wanted to earn himself some money , that is not the case now shogun will take time to heal those injuries and will be able to train better for this fight .

 

3 . Rashad's " suspect " chin ( to say the least ) : shogun will have 5 rounds , 25 mins to connect on rashad and when he does unlike rampage and thigo , he goes for the kill ...

 

4 . rashad's bad cardio : in both the rampage / thiago fight , we saw a slower , very slower rashad in the third round , what will rashad do when and if ( big if imo ) he gets to the 4th

and 5th with shogun hes gonna go for sloppy TD and hes gonna cough , again that's if the fight even lasts that long ...

 

so here are a few facts on why i think shogun would beat rashad ,

 

thanks for reading

 

Very nice post

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rashad gets exhausted too and if rampage ' date=' a guy that lost 50 pounds and was out for a year before there fight , an thiago a guy who had a fu[u']c[/u]ked up back are able to rock him , shogun would kill him imo

 

LMAO Funny thing is, Shogun will rock him but not be able to finish him.

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this is easily one of the most biased threads i've yet to witness. You're "facts" are actually opinions. The FACT that you're obsessed with shogun makes this whole thread completely biased. I will now point out some problems with your arguements. Rashad has amazing cardio. He did not gas against Rampage or Thiago. He got rocked which slowed him. it would slow anyone. Unless rashad get rocked bad he will not slow down his pace. Greg Jackson conditions his fighters hardcore. Shoguns knee surgery will be a factor. a couple of leg kicks to that knee and it will slow him. its lucky he's not fighting someone like forrest who has POWERFUL leg kicks. (although now forrest would not be able to defeat shogun like he did before). When it comes down to it while shogun may be the favorite Rashad can hardly be counted out. You post was utter garbage. Get facts instead of trying to pass off opinions as facts.

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this is easily one of the most biased threads i've yet to witness. You're "facts" are actually opinions. The FACT that you're obsessed with shogun makes this whole thread completely biased. I will now point out some problems with your arguements. Rashad has amazing cardio. He did not gas against Rampage or Thiago. He got rocked which slowed him. it would slow anyone. Unless rashad get rocked bad he will not slow down his pace. Greg Jackson conditions his fighters hardcore. Shoguns knee surgery will be a factor. a couple of leg kicks to that knee and it will slow him. its lucky he's not fighting someone like forrest who has POWERFUL leg kicks. (although now forrest would not be able to defeat shogun like he did before). When it comes down to it while shogun may be the favorite Rashad can hardly be counted out. You post was utter garbage. Get facts instead of trying to pass off opinions as facts.

and end thread.

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this is easily one of the most biased threads i've yet to witness. You're "facts" are actually opinions. The FACT that you're obsessed with shogun makes this whole thread completely biased. I will now point out some problems with your arguements. Rashad has amazing cardio. He did not gas against Rampage or Thiago. He got rocked which slowed him. it would slow anyone. Unless rashad get rocked bad he will not slow down his pace. Greg Jackson conditions his fighters hardcore. Shoguns knee surgery will be a factor. a couple of leg kicks to that knee and it will slow him. its lucky he's not fighting someone like forrest who has POWERFUL leg kicks. (although now forrest would not be able to defeat shogun like he did before). When it comes down to it while shogun may be the favorite Rashad can hardly be counted out. You post was utter garbage. Get facts instead of trying to pass off opinions as facts.

 

lol your posting this , and saying tat my post was utter garbage ? lol @ the irony of the situation , i don't find anything in this post that i haven't cover in the OP , this is an biased post based on opinion ALONE , i base everything on facts

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