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causisaysso

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Given that the only other fighter in SF that's ranked in the top 5 is Overeem, how can Fedor raise himself above #3 with his last fight in SF even if it's against Overeem and he wins?

 

And what if he loses again?

 

Will we ever see Fedor at #1 again, how can he do it?

 

MMA Heavyweight Rankings

 

fightmagazine

1. Brock Lesnar

2. Cain Velasquez

3. Fedor Emelianenko

4. Fabricio Werdum

5. Alistair Overeem

 

mmaweekly

1 Brock Lesnar

2. Fabricio Werdum

3. Fedor Emelianenko

4. Cain Velasquez

5. Junior Dos Santos

 

Sherdog

1. Brock Lesnar

2. Fabricio Werdum

3. Fedor Emelianenko

4. Cain Velasquez

5. Shane Carwin

 

Fight Matrix

1 Brock Lesnar

2 Fabricio Werdum

3 Fedor Emelianenko

4 Cain Velasquez

5 Junior dos Santos

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He would need to destroy Overeem, beat Werdum in a rematch, and hope that Lesnar doesn't fire off two dominating performances to match him to regain the #1 spot on most sites and publications.

 

 

MMA rankings, especially at HW, are still too subjective to define properly.

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if Fedor loses again we won't see him as number 1 unless he joins ufc and beats everyone there in 2 months period and we all know we will never see fedor in the UFC

 

I do agree that if Fedor lost for a second time in a row, he would need to come to the UFC to ever regain the #1 ranking.

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He would need to destroy Overeem' date=' beat Werdum in a rematch, and hope that Lesnar doesn't fire off two dominating performances to match him to regain the #1 spot on most sites and publications.

 

 

MMA rankings, especially at HW, are still too subjective to define properly.[/quote']

 

this ^^

 

even when fedor was still undefeated there where a lot of mma website that had lesnar # 1 or that announced that fedor's time as # 1 was almost over

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if Fedor loses again we won't see him as number 1 unless he joins ufc and beats everyone there in 2 months period and we all know we will never see fedor in the UFC

 

Especially if he loses again in SF.

 

I think he has to win the SF belt (or at least beat Overeem in a non-title match) to have any chance of getting into the UFC.

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Especially if he loses again in SF.

 

I think he has to win the SF belt (or at least beat Overeem in a non-title match) to have any chance of getting into the UFC.

 

This is where you are blind. Fedor could lose 4 in a row, and at the right price, Dana would definitely snatch him up.....

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This is where you are blind. Fedor could lose 4 in a row' date=' and at the right price, Dana would definitely snatch him up.....[/quote']

 

You don't think Fedor would rather retire than be forced to accept an inultingly low offer?

 

Or would he be desperate to try and restore his rep and take anything?

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You don't think Fedor would rather retire than be forced to accept an inultingly low offer?

 

Or would he be desperate to try and restore his rep and take anything?

 

That's an entirely different angle though. I agree, he would probably not come crawling to the UFC after a few losses.....but that isn't the question. It's whether he COULD come to the UFC.......and for the right price, Dana would snag him up in a heartbeat.....

 

Fedor isn't desperate in the slightest. His mentality on the fight game is completely outside the spectrum of how we perceive it here in North America. Most people just haven't come to grasp the fact that he doesn't look at it like most.....

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I don't think Fedor retires until he get's another shot at Werdum.

 

And I don't think he wants to risk losing again, he just wants to avenge his only loss and then retire.

 

I think he would like to just wait and use his last fight in SF to rematch Werdum no matter how long it takes.

 

If in the mean time Werdum goes to the UFC then Fedor will accept an offer to join the UFC at any price.

 

If Werdum goes to the North Pole, Fedor buys sled dogs.

 

You get the picture.

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I don't think Fedor retires until he get's another shot at Werdum.

 

And I don't think he wants to risk losing again' date=' he just wants to avenge his only loss and then retire.

 

I think he would like to just wait and use his last fight in SF to rematch Werdum no matter how long it takes.

 

If in the mean time Werdum goes to the UFC then Fedor will accept an offer to join the UFC at any price.

 

If Werdum goes to the North Pole, Fedor buys sled dogs.

 

You get the picture.[/quote']

 

except if Werdum goes to the UFC we will not see a rematch because Fedor will never be in the UFC.

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if Fedor loses again we won't see him as number 1 unless he joins ufc and beats everyone there in 2 months period and we all know we will never see fedor in the UFC

 

I just don't think Fedor could run the gauntlet of UFC HWs to regain his #1 ranking. I think he'd have at least 1 loss (probably more) just trying to earn a title shot against Lesnar.

 

5-6 years ago, then I would say he could probably do it.

 

But now, I just don't think so.

 

In his career Fedor beat great fighters his size and because he was the better fighter.

 

He beat fighters much bigger than him because they were poor fighters.

 

Now MMA has fighters who are both much bigger than Fedor and good fighters. That's problem he's in. A true LHW no matter how great a fighter is just at too much of a disadvantage against the well trained and talented true heavyweights in MMA today.

 

I also think in his early 30s he's not the fighter he was in his mid twenties, so even the more talented fighters around his size pose very realistic chances of beating him.

 

Maybe he can pull off another miracle at HW, I hope we don't have to wait too long to see.

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Overeem will destroy him.

 

Seems from your name you're not a serious poster, but anyway...

 

The fights they had with Rogers certainly seems to support what you say.

 

Fedor only tagged Rogers with his hail mary punch after Rogers was gassed in round 2. Fedor threw it a 2 or three times in round 1 when Rogers was fresher and Rogers dodged it easily every time. I think Rogers even won the first round in his fight with Fedor.

 

Overeem just put a beat down on Rogers from the get go till he was finished.

 

Can't ignore that.

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Seems from your name you're not a serious poster' date=' but anyway...

 

The fights they had with Rogers certainly seems to support what you say.

 

Fedor only tagged Rogers with his hail mary punch after Rogers was gassed in round 2. Fedor threw it a 2 or three times in round 1 when Rogers was fresher and Rogers dodged it easily every time. I think Rogers even won the first round in his fight with Fedor.

 

Overeem just put a beat down on Rogers from the get go till he was finished.

 

Can't ignore that.[/quote']

 

I have to agree I see Fedor losing 2 in a row if he fights Overeem! Although he would not destroy him, but it would be a good fight.

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Seems from your name you're not a serious poster' date=' but anyway...

 

The fights they had with Rogers certainly seems to support what you say.

 

Fedor only tagged Rogers with his hail mary punch after Rogers was gassed in round 2. Fedor threw it a 2 or three times in round 1 when Rogers was fresher and Rogers dodged it easily every time. I think Rogers even won the first round in his fight with Fedor.

 

Overeem just put a beat down on Rogers from the get go till he was finished.

 

Can't ignore that.[/quote']

 

I agree Rogers seemed like he was more confident against Fedor,and with Overeem it was like he was trying to fight his dad and was scared so he got man handled

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I cant believe so many people rank Cain above Overeem. I would love to watch that massacre.

 

I think if Overeem were to be able to fight other fighters currently in the top 5' date=' he would raise his rankings.

 

I suspect he's better than his current ranking too.

 

And no one can question his training intensity, he doesn't go easy on anybody...

 

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The last striker with talent he faced was glass jaw Arlovski who was owning Fedor before his glass jaw came into play. Before that it was Cro Cop.

 

If you watch that punch in slo-mo, you'll see Fedor just nailed Arlovski perfectly.

 

Glass jaw or not he was going down. Only someone with the skull the size of a half keg like Lesnar had a chance to survive that punch.

 

Arlovski lost the fight because he let his early success go to his head and he tried a risky move, not because of his jaw.

 

There is a good youtube vid of Arlovski talking about the fight, and just shaking his head over what a silly mistake it was to try that flying knee.

 

I know it's used quite a bit in MMA fighting, but when I was trained we were tought it was always a risk to leave your feet, and avoid it at all costs. Even high kicks were considered risky because they can be caught, and then you're in basically in a standing split with your nads totally exposed to be kicked in. Of course, that's not allowed in the UFC, but if you give your opponent the chance to catch your leg you still expose yourself for a nasty leg kick to your standing leg or a take down.

 

I'm surprised high kicks and flying knees are used as much as they are. But I guess you can't argue with guys like Cro Cop's success. Although it is easy to point out guys who consistently succeed with high kicks are few and far between.

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Fedor will be back in the number 1 spot when cain beats brock and Fedor beats overeem

 

How can that be.

 

Overeem (perhaps unfairly) only makes the top 5 HWs in one poll.

 

I can see how if Cain beats Lesnar Cain will rise.

 

But if Fedor beats Overeem... well, isn't that what's supposed to happen when #3 fights a lower ranked opponent?

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How can that be.

 

Overeem (perhaps unfairly) only makes the top 5 HWs in one poll.

 

I can see how if Cain beats Lesnar Cain will rise.

 

But if Fedor beats Overeem... well' date=' isn't that what's supposed to happen when #3 fights a lower ranked opponent?[/quote']

 

the reason why is because we all kno that Fedor should still be number 1 but he slipped up. All he needs is a win over a credible opponent to be in contention for the number 1 spot again.

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the reason why is because we all kno that Fedor should still be number 1 but he slipped up. All he needs is a win over a credible opponent to be in contention for the number 1 spot again.

 

I think that unless he gets into the UFC and earns a title shot against Lesnar... and wins... he won't make #1 ever again.

 

Here's an interesting question...

 

If Cain beats Lesnar... Will Cain be elevated to #1 and drop Fedor further down?

 

Cain's undefeated, the only one in the top 5 who is.

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