random4life1996 Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 EMELIANENKO BELIEVES SAMBO IS SUPERIOR TO JIU JITSU Sambo is great. Jiu-jitsu is nothing special. We went over several jiu-jitsu guys like that before. I lost because of what happened. My loss was caused by my personal mistake in the cage? I lost my head. Wanted to finish it all as soon as possible? As far as the rumors about my last fight being set up... I was asked about it many times already. I will never go against my conscience and never betray my country like that. Money doesn't matter that much to me that I could lie to people. Since I lost to Werdum, it was meant to be. And I'm thankful to God it happened that way." The man many MMA Pundits considered the number one pound for pound fighter in the world, Fedor Emelianenko, speaks out about his recent loss to Jiu Jitsu ace, Fabricio Werdum. In this interview with gazeta.ru he explains that he does not feel Jiu Jitsu is superior to his combat style, Russian Sambo. While it is evident that the Brazilian martial art bettered the Russian style in June, Fedor had an excellent track record up to that point in negating the highest level of Jiu Jitsu in all of his previous bouts. The Russian Sambo Master gives little credit here to his opponent and instead blames the cause of his first defeat in 10 years on his inability to stay focused and execute properly. ?The Last Emperor? will be back soon and one can only guess his his winning ways will get back on track, but will it ever be enough to regain his top seat in the MMA World Wide Rankings now that he has fallen to a UFC wash-out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raffy_handsome Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 He got choked by Werdum, a BJJ specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalClegg Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Sambo is a more complete system. Fedor just f*cked up jumping into Fabricio's guard like he did. Next time he will likely tell him to stand back up when he knocks him on his ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raffy_handsome Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Sambo is a more complete system. Fedor just f*cked up jumping into Fabricio's guard like he did. Next time he will likely tell him to stand back up when he knocks him on his ****. I thought Fedor is a brave fighter (Like what his fans are always saying) that he always fight his opponent on their playing field. Like what he did when he fight Big Nog on the ground and on Big Nog's guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingVic85 Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 old news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjamescortez Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 ofc he would say that his Russian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFC_Achilles Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Sambo uses alot of stuff from jiu jitsu, judo, etc so I guess one could say it is more superior since it covers more of the bases in grappling than just jiu jitsu does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
causisaysso Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Fedor is a big fat pu$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claxp94 Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Well if you have a sambo master v a bjj master, who would win? o wait, that already happened =__= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingVic85 Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Fedor is a big fat pu$$. if he is what he eats then yes this is probably true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Fedor is a big fat pu$$. ... & that sums up your mma-knowledge bag-breath' date=' ^^ you have never watched a Russian Combat Sambo Tournament & you continue to run your worthless cowardly mouth ... [img']http://sordid.rhetboi.net/archives/images/gay/gaytard.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuShHeAd Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 if he is what he eats then yes this is probably true LOL if he is what he eats then hes a D*CK and it wasn't like he was snappiin n gettin outta subs this so called best in the world tapped in 69 seconds fedors finished start grippin sum1 else and for the record that punch didn't phase werdum he took the fight where he wanted it and 69 seconds later the great i mean fake fedor tapped u guys can watch it again if u dont beleive me or u might of been watchin a different fight than me FEDOR is WACK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan001 Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 well if you have a sambo master v a bjj master' date=' who would win?O wait, that already happened =__=[/quote'] haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some_dude Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Fedor is a big fat pu$$. shut up you little punk you wouldn't fight him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Well if you have a sambo master v a bjj master' date=' who would win?o wait, that already happened =__=[/quote'] yep, we know the result (twice) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuShHeAd Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Fedor blows i jus watched tha fight again its hilarious to see him tap and its funny how u put him n big nog instead of werdum i kno u guys cried when he tapped cuz u kno hes fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some_dude Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Fail ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuShHeAd Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJRFQrk_hAk HAHAHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
res0 Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 No one style of fighting is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike58 Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 He left one arm in Werdum's guard. Its an obvious mistake if you know anything about sub grappling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirko4life Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 ITT: Noobs hating on the best HW of all time cuz they're noobs(really, that's the only reason). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 I think people are making a little too much out of this. First off Sambo is a mixed martial art. Bjj is not. Sambo +1 as far as a combat style as a whole. Secondly his loss was due to him getting antsy to finish werdum. I totally agree with him on that. He got suckered he will not make that mistake if they fight again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noobbomb Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 first off....Sambo is better than straight bjj bjj is strictly ground, Sambo is striking and submissions So if you want to get technical, if one person trained only bjj and one trained Sambo the sambo fighter would win if the two fighters were similar in skill size etc basically saying Sambo is superior to BJJ is like saying MMA is superior to BJJ its true Also.....Fedor has beaten many BJJ artists and beaten them back in the day Nog was subbing everyone even crocop and Fedor beat him easy and never got close to submitted Fedor loses one time by sub and that makes bjj better? lol that doesnt seem to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random4life1996 Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 i dont know how i got this many replys must be cuz its about fedor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 i dont know how i got this many replys must be cuz its about fedor Yeah Fedor threads are always popular. SCO made one like this I think not too long ago. A few people seem to make a big deal of his comment. I see nothing wrong with it. If he said Sambo's grappling techniques are superior I'd have to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuMaster Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 JJ alone is purely for competition and not fighting. Sambo is a combat sport. Like I have stated before, the new generations of the sport will focus more on defending JJ rather than applying it. JJ is nothing special. Give me a pure JJ guy around my weight and I will probably destroy him with my speed and lightning punches. Furthermore, I would ground and pound the JJ guy without getting submitted. You can only get submitted if the opportunity is there. Just don't give him that opportunity. GSP has figured this out and that is why he is so dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 JJ alone is purely for competition and not fighting. Sambo is a combat sport. Like I have stated before' date=' the new generations of the sport will focus more on defending JJ rather than applying it. JJ is nothing special. Give me a pure JJ guy around my weight and I will probably destroy him with my speed and lightning punches. Furthermore, I would ground and pound the JJ guy without getting submitted. You can only get submitted if the opportunity is there. Just don't give him that opportunity. GSP has figured this out and that is why he is so dominant.[/quote'] Well as a Bjj player you can create those oppourtunities by using combinations and forcing them to choose bad or worse. Easier said than done though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike58 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 JJ alone is purely for competition and not fighting. Sambo is a combat sport. Like I have stated before' date=' the new generations of the sport will focus more on defending JJ rather than applying it. JJ is nothing special. Give me a pure JJ guy around my weight and I will probably destroy him with my speed and lightning punches. Furthermore, I would ground and pound the JJ guy without getting submitted. You can only get submitted if the opportunity is there. Just don't give him that opportunity. GSP has figured this out and that is why he is so dominant.[/quote'] I still wonder if there are actually any submissions in Greg Jackson's "Gaidojitsu". Rashad Evans is a black belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuMaster Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Well as a Bjj player you can create those oppourtunities by using combinations and forcing them to choose bad or worse. Easier said than done though. Yes, it is more difficult than it seems, but to practicing MMA fighters like GSP and Fedor, it is quite easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuMaster Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I still wonder if there are actually any submissions in Greg Jackson's "Gaidojitsu". Rashad Evans is a black belt. I don' t look into the camps like most hard core fans, but I would assume Greg's camp concentrate more on defended JJ rather than applying it. It makes perfect sense to me. JJ is over-rated IMO. The only reason it made such an impact was due to the fact JJ prevailed when the sport of MMA was young and a true MMA fighter was not yet borned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike58 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I don' t look into the camps like most hard core fans' date=' but I would assume Greg's camp concentrate more on defended JJ rather than applying it. It makes perfect sense to me. JJ is over-rated IMO. The only reason it made such an impact was due to the fact JJ prevailed when the sport of MMA was young and a true MMA fighter was not yet borned.[/quote'] It would be a sad day for mma if submissions become phased out via defensive minded fighting styles. If the trend is to fight like GSP (lately) and Rashad in order to win decisions, I think the popularity of the UFC will drop significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I don' t look into the camps like most hard core fans' date=' but I would assume Greg's camp concentrate more on defended JJ rather than applying it. It makes perfect sense to me. JJ is over-rated IMO. The only reason it made such an impact was due to the fact JJ prevailed when the sport of MMA was young and a true MMA fighter was not yet borned.[/quote'] I think wrestling is overrated atleast in terms of judging criteria. As for Greg's Gaidojitsu I can assure you they have the full arsenal of submissions and everything else mma for that matter. There sort of the jack of all trades but at the same time I wouldn't say master of none. That's up to the athlete and what kind of gameplans the coaching staff feel is best suited for the fighters against a particular opponent. Greg's approach to strategy is really bordering on scientific. The problem is it's win at all cost ( within the rules ) and play it safe for the most part which can be a little too tactical. They don't really leave things up to chance or it least minimize it as much as possible. He has a very intelligent approach but it's not always the most entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike58 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I think wrestling is overrated atleast in terms of judging criteria. As for Greg's Gaidojitsu I can assure you they have the full arsenal of submissions and everything else mma for that matter. There sort of the jack of all trades but at the same time I wouldn't say master of none. That's up to the athlete and what kind of gameplans the coaching staff feel is best suited for the fighters against a particular opponent. Greg's approach to strategy is really bordering on scientific. I will agree that Greg Jackson has helped create some very successful mma fighters. I will wait to see what he can do with Condit, who has little to no wrestling in his game, before I give him too much praise. oh. and I would agree that wrestling (control) weighs WAY too heavily in judging criteria at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuMaster Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 It would be a sad day for mma if submissions become phased out via defensive minded fighting styles. If the trend is to fight like GSP (lately) and Rashad in order to win decisions' date=' I think the popularity of the UFC will drop significantly.[/quote']I hope not. I am hoping for the trend to take on more of the stand up striking. Once everybody knows JJ, the demand to take an opponent down would not be so high. GSP has only been successful because he hasn't faced a well conditioned JJ yet. Penn's JJ is among the best, but he is too small, weak, and not conditioned enough to compete with GSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I hope not. I am hoping for the trend to take on more of the stand up striking. Once everybody knows JJ' date=' the demand to take an opponent down would not be so high. GSP has only been successful because he hasn't faced a well conditioned JJ yet. Penn's JJ is among the best, but he is too small, weak, and not conditioned enough to compete with GSP.[/quote'] The demand to take an opponent down will always be important especially against a superior striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adambomber Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Fact, most people like standup wars better or at least battles where it goes from standup to a scramble to a sub attempt people like action thats why they watch fighting Leben vs Sexyama is a pefect example of a great fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuMaster Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I think wrestling is overrated atleast in terms of judging criteria. As for Greg's Gaidojitsu I can assure you they have the full arsenal of submissions and everything else mma for that matter. There sort of the jack of all trades but at the same time I wouldn't say master of none. That's up to the athlete and what kind of gameplans the coaching staff feel is best suited for the fighters against a particular opponent. Greg's approach to strategy is really bordering on scientific. The problem is it's win at all cost ( within the rules ) and play it safe for the most part which can be a little too tactical. They don't really leave things up to chance or it least minimize it as much as possible. He has a very intelligent approach but it's not always the most entertaining. I agree. If one takes look at all of GSP's fights, he will see your point about it being scientific. Greg's camp focuses on the weaknesses of the opponentst and does not allow its fighters to truly shine. This will be the downfall of GSP. I have stated many times before, GSP is capable of so much more, but with this camp, he may be a winning fighter but he will lack the aura of a legend like Fedor, Sakuraba, Big Nog etc.... These other figthers I have mentioned put everything on the line and do what they can to put on a show and at the same time....win. In 20 years from now, will we see highlights of GSP in something like MMA's Best Moments? Probably not...and if he was put in there, it would only be to acknowledge his championship status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuMaster Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 The demand to take an opponent down will always be important especially against a superior striker. Sure I can see that, but I don't think ground and pound would be that successful when the sport is fully competed by the new generation who will all have black belts in JJ....Which brings me back to my point... the stand up war will rise again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
causisaysso Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Sure I can see that' date=' but I don't think ground and pound would be that successful when the sport is fully competed by the new generation who will all have black belts in JJ....Which brings me back to my point... the stand up war will rise again.[/quote'] But ground war beats stand up war. Look at Lesnar - Carwin Look at Fedor - Werdum In both cases the better strikers were defeated on the ground. It's like the military always says, it's nice to have a lot of high tech weapons but you still win wars on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuShHeAd Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 JJ alone is purely for competition and not fighting. Sambo is a combat sport. Like I have stated before' date=' the new generations of the sport will focus more on defending JJ rather than applying it. JJ is nothing special. Give me a pure JJ guy around my weight and I will probably destroy him with my speed and lightning punches. Furthermore, I would ground and pound the JJ guy without getting submitted. You can only get submitted if the opportunity is there. Just don't give him that opportunity. GSP has figured this out and that is why he is so dominant.[/quote'] jui jitsu must be pretty special if uh ur "greatest of all time"tapped to it LOL whats gonna be the next excuse when he taps? i recall all u FRAUDor fans sayin he would NEVER tap guess what.....HE DID! i hope he comes to the ufc so he can fight a real fight n not sum chump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalClegg Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 yep' date=' we know the result (twice) [img']http://i10.tinypic.com/6ptvm00.gif[/img] Heh look at him dribbling Nog's head like a basketball. That fight along with so many others like the 360 pound juiced up Sapp are the reason Nog can't take the same kind of punishment these days. That Couture fight was perfect for Nog's ability to absorb Randy's punches and still blast him on the feet because they are on similar levels as far as reaction time and other things not too mention Nog actually has more mileage on him in a shorter time span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_vaessen Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 he made a few mistakes. got lazy. when he's on form that shouldn't happen. he took werdum's skills for granted. it won't happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodimus Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 he made a few mistakes. got lazy. when he's on form that shouldn't happen. he took werdum's skills for granted. it won't happen again. And Werdum knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibberish Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 he made a few mistakes. got lazy. when he's on form that shouldn't happen. he took werdum's skills for granted. it won't happen again. And Werdum knows it. i could see werdum retiring. then seeing fedor leave a path of destruction through south america to werdum's front door step. knocking on his door. then when werdum answers fedor saying round two and completely pummeling him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raffy_handsome Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Here's some of the proof that shows JJ is beter than that sambo thing. And here's what happen when an excellent wrestler masters the world of JJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 And here's what happen when an excellent wrestler masters the world of JJ. Haven't we already went over why this poster fails hard. 90 degrees remember. Also I'd hardly call Lesnar a JJ master. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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