Alex_L Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 i think shogun should move down in wight to fight anderson because anderson doesn't need to prove anything. he has beaten all the best in his division. but shogun on the other hand only has 5 ufc fights and is 3-2 overall in the ufc. so if anyone's going to prove anything, it should be shogun, not silva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Tnine Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 i think shogun should move down in wight to fight anderson because anderson doesn't need to prove anything. he has beaten all the best in his division. but shogun on the other hand only has 5 ufc fights and is 3-2 overall in the ufc. so if anyone's going to prove anything' date=' it should be shogun, not silva.[/quote'] exactly, ive been saying this for a while now but no one seems to get it. Anderson is the best fighter in the UFC, why should he be chasing everyone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceman04 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 let the guy defend his title a few times first still has to get past rashad which will not be such an easy fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous505 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Very true Shoguns wins arent very impressive besides the Machida 2 fighthe beat a wassed up mark coleman and chuck liddel since when do beating them get you a title shot??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingStoned Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Why does Shogun have to move down to prove anything? He's the LHW champion, he needs not prove anything by moving down in weight during a title reign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpiccott Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 i dont want Shogun to move down or GSP to move up, then all we would have left are lesnar threads, lol i need something to read and laugh at while im at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCITOLDUSO Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 i think shogun should move down in wight to fight anderson because anderson doesn't need to prove anything. he has beaten all the best in his division. but shogun on the other hand only has 5 ufc fights and is 3-2 overall in the ufc. so if anyone's going to prove anything' date=' it should be shogun, not silva.[/quote'] The question is moot because at 205 there doesn't seem to be much more that can come off Shogun's frame. If Anderson Silva had real balls, after easily dispatching Sonnen, he would immediately challenge Shogun for the title, (and Dana would let him,) so as not to interfere with Machida. Assuming Machida makes a run back at the title, Silva could retire it. That way he could prove himself without conflicting with Lyoto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serb-1 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 shogun hanst proven anything, he had a punchers chance with machida in both fights and in the 2nd fight things went his way, thats the way fights go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nando_G Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Why does Shogun have to move down to prove anything? He's the LHW champion' date=' he needs not prove anything by moving down in weight during a title reign[/quote'] Why does silva? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibberish Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 shogun's body is headed downhill. i wouldn't be surprised if he can't even defend the belt one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKF Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Shogun shouldnt move down, it would be one the great superfights we all fantasize about, but it is not going to happen in the near future. All the Silva fans say he is the best why should he move, it would be more logical for him to move considering he walks around at above 205, also he has cleaned out almost the whole division, what is the point in having a Leben vs Silva 2, when we could have a Shogun vs Silva 1 at 205. Theyre really isnt a reason for shogun to move down, but theyre are reasons for Silva to move up, even though that isnt technically what this forum is about. Silva is a great fighter, he has a legitimate shot to hold both MW and LHW belts at once. He should try to accomplish this goal. I'm new to these forums and it seems like everyone is either love or hate on Silva, lol im just an eh hes alright with Silva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingStoned Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Why does silva? I never said he did... But all these people are calling for this fight because Shogun beat his teammate AND now that Anderson has said he's staying and running 185, everybody's pissing and moaning about how they're both scared to move up or down Why should Shogun move up? If anything, Anderson has been dabbling in at 205, it would make more sense that way than Shogun coming down but it's not gonna happen either way sooo I don't see why the fuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Tnine Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Shogun shouldnt move down' date=' it would be one the great superfights we all fantasize about, but it is not going to happen in the near future. All the Silva fans say he is the best why should he move, it would be more logical for him to move considering he walks around at above 205, also he has cleaned out almost the whole division, what is the point in having a Leben vs Silva 2, when we could have a Shogun vs Silva 1 at 205. Theyre really isnt a reason for shogun to move down, but theyre are reasons for Silva to move up, even though that isnt technically what this forum is about. Silva is a great fighter, he has a legitimate shot to hold both MW and LHW belts at once. He should try to accomplish this goal. I'm new to these forums and it seems like everyone is either love or hate on Silva, lol im just an eh hes alright with Silva.[/quote'] Actually. Before the Maia fight, at UFC 112. Joe Rogan was talking about Andersons walk around weight at he said it was around 197, thats why Anderson looked a little chubby when he weighed in for the 2 fights he had at 205 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticKJ Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 i think shogun should move down in wight to fight anderson because anderson doesn't need to prove anything. he has beaten all the best in his division. but shogun on the other hand only has 5 ufc fights and is 3-2 overall in the ufc. so if anyone's going to prove anything' date=' it should be shogun, not silva.[/quote'] exactly' date=' ive been saying this for a while now but no one seems to get it. Anderson is the best fighter in the UFC, why should he be chasing everyone ?[/quote'] that is stupid...Shogun hasn't even defended his belt yet...he needs to take care of his division before he thinks about changing weight for super fights...Silva has already cleaned out his division so he has the freedom to try other classes like he said before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Tnine Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 that is stupid...Shogun hasn't even defended his belt yet...he needs to take care of his division before he thinks about changing weight for super fights...Silva has already cleaned out his division so he has the freedom to try other classes like he said before... he hadnt cleaned out his division when he first fought at 205, so Since Shogun hasnt cleaned out his division, he should have the freedom too. Anderson still hasnt cleaned out the division yet, Sonnen, Belfort, Wanderlei, Belcher, Marquardts close to another shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticKJ Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 he hadnt cleaned out his division when he first fought at 205' date=' so Since Shogun hasnt cleaned out his division, he should have the freedom too. Anderson still hasnt cleaned out the division yet, Sonnen, Belfort, Wanderlei, Belcher, Marquardts close to another shot.[/quote'] ur logic sucks...Shogun just got the belt, he hasn't defended once...why should he move to fight another weight? Silva has been champ for years, he has already stated he is willing to fight at LHW...so now he changed his mind...he didn't clean his division when he fought Irvin, but he said he would fight at LHW, so he did... you can act like Silva and Shogun have accomplished the same, but they haven't...Silva is a long-reigning champ looking for challenges...Shogun is a new champ with no defenses with a whole division to conquer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodimus Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 exactly' date=' ive been saying this for a while now but no one seems to get it. Anderson is the best fighter in the UFC, why should he be chasing everyone ?[/quote'] Problem is,Anderson has only fought two notables in his whole career.Shogun has fought the best.Anderson is in the pretenders div,and Shogun is in the best div in mma,figure that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Problem is' date='Anderson has only fought two notables in his whole career.Shogun has fought the best.Anderson is in the pretenders div,and Shogun is in the best div in mma,figure that out.[/quote'] LMAO good joke, Shogun is the one who didn't even deserve his title shot only his last fight was good in UFC ever, and I think that was a complete fluke either way, Shogun isnt going to defend Rashad, sooner or later Machida will be champ again and Shogun will be irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_L Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 my point is, is that if anyone needs to prove anything, it's shogun, not anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan001 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 this fight must happen!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_L Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 this fight must happen!!! do you have down syndrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aford92 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 i think shogun should move down in wight to fight anderson because anderson doesn't need to prove anything. he has beaten all the best in his division. but shogun on the other hand only has 5 ufc fights and is 3-2 overall in the ufc. so if anyone's going to prove anything' date=' it should be shogun, not silva.[/quote'] Shogun shouldn't move down because he never said anything about fighting at 185 and has never expressed a desire to do so. Before Shogun was champion Silva said he would fight at 205 and was considering moving up, then Shogun becomes champion and suddenly he doesn't want to anymore. Isn't that a little strange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_L Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Shogun shouldn't move down because he never said anything about fighting at 185 and has never expressed a desire to do so. Before Shogun was champion Silva said he would fight at 205 and was considering moving up' date=' then Shogun becomes champion and suddenly he doesn't want to anymore. Isn't that a little strange?[/quote'] yeah but i'm sure shogun won't go into andersons house and fight him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omnium Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I'snt Shogun the only Pride fighter the UFC has got to get a UFC belt? As for beating a washed up Coleman & Liddel. He needed sugery when he fought Colman and just recovered from surgery when he fought Liddel. Both times he was not fit and needed the money to live so he took the fights. So now as the champ, he has cash to support his family, rehab himself and train without the $$$ worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_L Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I'snt Shogun the only Pride fighter the UFC has got to get a UFC belt? As for beating a washed up Coleman & Liddel. He needed sugery when he fought Colman and just recovered from surgery when he fought Liddel. Both times he was not fit and needed the money to live so he took the fights. So now as the champ' date=' he has cash to support his family, rehab himself and train without the $$$ worry.[/quote'] what does this have to do with the op? haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aford92 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 yeah but i'm sure shogun won't go into andersons house and fight him either. That's because he clearly doesn't want to fight a Middleweight. Silva has fought at 205 before and probably walks round at about 210 pounds, so why should Shogun move when it's easier for Silva to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_L Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 That's because he clearly doesn't want to fight a Middleweight. Silva has fought at 205 before and probably walks round at about 210 pounds' date=' so why should Shogun move when it's easier for Silva to.[/quote'] joe rogan said before the maia fight that he walks around 197-198... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EccentricMeat Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 LMAO good joke' date=' Shogun is the one who didn't even deserve his title shot only his last fight was good in UFC ever, and I think that was a complete fluke either way, Shogun isnt going to defend Rashad, sooner or later Machida will be champ again and Shogun will be irrelevant.[/quote']Im a BIG Machida fan, but this post is just stupid. Machida will be the next LHW champ, but then he will lose it eventually to Shogun (again). Then Shogun will hold onto the title for a long time. Machida and Shogun are the perfect match up, but everything considered (age, potential, etc.) in their eventual 5 fight series (yes, I believe they will have 3 more fights against each other) Shogun will come out on top 3-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodimus Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 LMAO good joke' date=' Shogun is the one who didn't even deserve his title shot only his last fight was good in UFC ever, and I think that was a complete fluke either way, Shogun isnt going to defend Rashad, sooner or later Machida will be champ again and Shogun will be irrelevant.[/quote'] And Anderson deserved his after beating a mentally unstable Chris Leben?Deserve is the new excuse for scared or what?Shogun will kill Anderson,any time anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_L Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 And Anderson deserved his after beating a mentally unstable Chris Leben?Deserve is the new excuse for scared or what?Shogun will kill Anderson' date='any time anywhere.[/quote'] not anytime because he is in the hospital half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodimus Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 not anytime because he is in the hospital half the time. Well ok then,anytime Anderson takes his balls out of Machida's purse then,better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_L Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Well ok then' date='anytime Anderson takes his balls out of Machida's purse then,better?[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildy0urcages Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I'snt Shogun the only Pride fighter the UFC has got to get a UFC belt? Do you mean former Pride champion, or just fighter who also fought in Pride? If you just mean fighters who have fought in pride before then there a quite a few (Coleman, Rampage, Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort, Chuck Liddel, etc.) If you mean former Pride champions (or tournament winners in Shogun's case) that went on to become UFC champions then yes, just Shogun and perhaps Bog Nog. (Big Nog held the UFC HW Interim belt for awhile, if you want to count that.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wimpygimpet Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 i think shogun should move down in wight to fight anderson because anderson doesn't need to prove anything. he has beaten all the best in his division. but shogun on the other hand only has 5 ufc fights and is 3-2 overall in the ufc. so if anyone's going to prove anything' date=' it should be shogun, not silva.[/quote'] He has proved he can beat the midgets at 185 he needs to prove he is P4P best by dominating arguebly the most stacked division in the UFC. Shogun on the other hand just now became champion he still has other LHW competition to worry about. If Anderson was to move up i have no doubt in my mind if he beats Sonnen and Vitor he will get an immediate title shot at 205 if he wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_L Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 He has proved he can beat the midgets at 185 he needs to prove he is P4P best by dominating arguebly the most stacked division in the UFC. Shogun on the other hand just now became champion he still has other LHW competition to worry about. If Anderson was to move up i have no doubt in my mind if he beats Sonnen and Vitor he will get an immediate title shot at 205 if he wishes. well who do you think is pound for pound best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodimus Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 well who do you think is pound for pound best? gsp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_L Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 gsp! i was asking the other guy because if he would have said gsp i would have turned the tables on him and said the same thing he said to me about anderson solidifying his spot by moving up a weight class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrKobayashi Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 shogun hanst proven anything' date=' he had a punchers chance with machida in both fights and in the 2nd fight things went his way, thats the way fights go[/quote'] So it was just all luck that he beat the Light Heavyweight Champion of the world? Sorry man, that's not simply "the way fights go". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodimus Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 i was asking the other guy because if he would have said gsp i would have turned the tables on him and said the same thing he said to me about anderson solidifying his spot by moving up a weight class. Well,we both know Goerges is coming after Anderson.Look out Spider,a real champion is coming for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adambomber Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 why should Shogun move down to a weight class he has never fought in before to fight someone who is champ of one of the weaker divisions? noone can say the MW division is not weaker than the lhw division Also Silva has fought 2 times in the ufc at 205 Silva has no competition at MW.....Shogun still has Rashad, Rampage, MAchida, Thiago Silva,Jon Jones etc etc Who is at MW to challenge Silva? So let me try to get your logic.....the champ of one of the best divisions should go to a weaker smaller division which he may be to big for in the first place, to fight a person who has fought a few times at 205 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_A Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 i think shogun should move down in wight to fight anderson because anderson doesn't need to prove anything. he has beaten all the best in his division. but shogun on the other hand only has 5 ufc fights and is 3-2 overall in the ufc. so if anyone's going to prove anything' date=' it should be shogun, not silva.[/quote'] If the fights gonna happen shogun needs to cut. Silva is too big of a ***** to fight at his natural weight and take on shogun of LHW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldJackBurton Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 the reason Silva should move up is that he has cleared out the division. if Shogun moved down he would only have one opponent to face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashwade3 Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 simple,silva vs shogun at 195,its not that hard aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nando_G Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I never said he did... But all these people are calling for this fight because Shogun beat his teammate AND now that Anderson has said he's staying and running 185' date=' everybody's pissing and moaning about how they're both scared to move up or down Why should Shogun move up? If anything, Anderson has been dabbling in at 205, it would make more sense that way than Shogun coming down but it's not gonna happen either way sooo I don't see why the fuss[/quote'] I understand. It was just a question but I do want to see them fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRIDEneverDIED Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 everyone here must have forgotten what Shogun has done and how good he is....if anything the OP is wrong because if Silva has nothing to prove at 185 he should move up to his TRUE weight class and fight 205 instead of fighting people 20-30 pounds lighter than he is. he might not have anything to prove at 185 but at his real weight(205) he has a lot to prove shogun fights 205 because that is his natural weight class and he never has size advantage....Silva fights smaller and less talented fighters with his belt....in 5 years everyone will say he fought cans and smaller guys his whole career. perhaps he should go prove something and fight 205(a weight class that actually has depth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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