sonnen v silva FACTS

[GSPmyIDOL]

IMO the fact that sonnen is even getting a title shot is due to three things

 

1. The MW division is pretty weak

2. his ability to hype a fight

3. his ability to convince some of you fools that he actually has a chance because of his big mouth

 

lets look at the facts:

SONNEN:

Total 35

Wins 24

By knockout 7

By submission 3

By decision 14

 

Losses 10

By knockout 2

By submission 7

By decision 1

Draws 1

 

Last 3 victories in reverse order

 

Dan Miller: since losing to chael has lost to maia and bisping and has never beaten anyone of note

 

Yoshin Okami: lost to rich franklin and jake shields the only two championship material fighters on his record, 'beat' silva by gettin kicked in the face illegally lol

 

Nate Marquardt: lot of repect for nate but we all know what happened when he fought silva and he is never going to be champ, the fact he was in line for a rematch shows the MW division is not great at the moment

 

SONNEN WAS UNABLE TO FINISH ANY ONE OF THESE OPPONENTS!!

 

just how is he going to finish the spider!? answer: he's not

 

SILVA

Total 30

 

Wins 26

By knockout 15

By submission 4

By decision 7

 

Losses 4

By submission 2

By decision 1

By disqualification 1

 

anderson has beat franklin twice, dan henderson, nate, maia, griffin any anybody else in his way

 

he is considered P4P best fighter by many people in MMA circles for a reason.

 

sonnen has a punchers chance... nothing more, he's not gona dominate and win, if he wins it will be luck.

 

so please all of you who say sonnen is going to win back it up with some logical reasoning (if you even know what that means) as to why you believe that. When you look at the facts you see that all sonnen has is a big mouth and a patchy record, i for one am no silva fanboy but i hope he shut up this clown once and for all

 

is it because sonnen told you he could..... lol get on the noob-train

[Jeffro21]

Now I know the facts

[GSPmyIDOL]

Now I know the facts

 

lol was that sarcasm... cudnt quite tell

[Chael_fan]

Fact:

Sonnen has a much bigger heart and actually wants to fight.

 

Fact:

Sonnen will win convincingly.

[GSPmyIDOL]

FACT

 

your argument is weak, another silly sonnen fan who has no solid reason to believe or back up their opinion... hence strengthening mine thx brah

[TheTerribleWilliamson]

Fact:

Sonnen has a much bigger heart and actually wants to fight.

 

Fact:

Sonnen will win convincingly.

 

 

Fact: You didn't even know Sonnen existed until a few months ago

[claxp94]

Fact: You didn't even know Sonnen existed until a few months ago

Fact: That was a win.

[Jmont]

FACT

Sonnen is astong ground grappeller and takedown artist

 

FACT

Silva's weakest part of his game is from his back

 

FACT

Sonnen has confidence whuch u need against silva

 

I like both guys chances going into this fight but i feel like no one thinnks chael can win which is false

[Carica1406052318]

IMO the fact that sonnen is even getting a title shot is due to three things

 

1. The MW division is pretty weak

2. his ability to hype a fight

3. his ability to convince some of you fools that he actually has a chance because of his big mouth

 

lets look at the facts:

SONNEN:

Total 35

Wins 24

By knockout 7

By submission 3

By decision 14

 

Losses 10

By knockout 2

By submission 7

By decision 1

Draws 1

 

Last 3 victories in reverse order

 

Dan Miller: since losing to chael has lost to maia and bisping and has never beaten anyone of note

 

Yoshin Okami: lost to rich franklin and jake shields the only two championship material fighters on his record' date=' 'beat' silva by gettin kicked in the face illegally lol

 

[b']Nate Marquardt[/b]: lot of repect for nate but we all know what happened when he fought silva and he is never going to be champ, the fact he was in line for a rematch shows the MW division is not great at the moment

 

SONNEN WAS UNABLE TO FINISH ANY ONE OF THESE OPPONENTS!!

 

just how is he going to finish the spider!? answer: he's not

 

SILVA

Total 30

 

Wins 26

By knockout 15

By submission 4

By decision 7

 

Losses 4

By submission 2

By decision 1

By disqualification 1

 

anderson has beat franklin twice, dan henderson, nate, maia, griffin any anybody else in his way

 

he is considered P4P best fighter by many people in MMA circles for a reason.

 

sonnen has a punchers chance... nothing more, he's not gona dominate and win, if he wins it will be luck.

 

so please all of you who say sonnen is going to win back it up with some logical reasoning (if you even know what that means) as to why you believe that. When you look at the facts you see that all sonnen has is a big mouth and a patchy record, i for one am no silva fanboy but i hope he shut up this clown once and for all

 

is it because sonnen told you he could..... lol get on the noob-train

 

 

Couldn?t agree more. And coming from a GSP fan it means even more. GSP fans normally don?t like Silva.

[Carica1406052318]

FACT

Sonnen is astong ground grappeller and takedown artist

 

FACT

Silva's weakest part of his game is from his back

 

FACT

Sonnen has confidence whuch u need against silva

 

I like both guys chances going into this fight but i feel like no one thinnks chael can win which is false

 

I don't think Silva's take down defense is good, but his ground game from the back is exellent - Not weak at all. And the fact is that to Sub Chael, we don't really need to have a great ground game. He kinds of offers his arms to subs all the time.

[Lunchbox21]

i dont like either one of these guys. i especially dont like silva for two reasons. one he toys with his opponents knowing that they dont stand a chance. two he is as you said considered by many the "best pound-for-pound" fighter but has made it clear he would rather stay at middleweight where he has no competition. all this says to me is that he just wants to keep getting easy fights and not have to step up and back up all the crap his fans are talking. silva makes me sick

[Chael_fan]

Fact: You didn't even know Sonnen existed until a few months ago

 

Actually I did...I grew up in Portland' date=' Oregon, followed his wrestling in college at Oregon, and his MMA career after that.

 

[i']You have up to 10 minutes to recover okay?[/i]

[guthro777]

Griffin tapped Sonnen off his back with ease. Griffin isn't on Silva's level.

[Hurzy]

Sonnen is getting a title shot because he has won his last few matches, and he was loud in doing so. In loud I mean that he did a lot of talking in the process. He also did always bring the fight in his matches.

In using similar opponents, it doesnt work in Sonnens favor. He got submitted by Mia, and Silva beat Mia. Sonnen grinded out a victory against Marquardt(and he did win convincingly), but Silva TKOd Marquardt.

And to say that Silva cant perfrom well against wrestlers/ground guys is a bad argument IMO. He has finished some really solid wrestlers and ground guys in Henderson, Lutter, Horn, Newton, ect.

[comfortably_numbed]

i'm a chael fan as well, and i'll be pulling him for..it appears he works hard and is confident..has a bit of ability...buts let be honest. as much as i dislike anderson silva and all his antics..chael has the advantage in wrestling and wrestling alone..we've seen what anderson does to those guys. chael is nowhere near ready

[Laminin]

Wake up pal! Chael has no chance. I don't know if there is anyone out there that can really push Silva other than maybe Rua if he decided to go up to face him. I don't blame Silva for fighting the way he fought the last couple fights. He's the champion and if a challenger wants his belt then they should come prepared to take it. They can't expect to just show up and lay on their back and expect Silva to fight their style which is the only chance they have at winning. He's the champ and if you want the title then press the action and go get it. This just another crap fight to make Dana White richer. The way Silva fought Maia was a jab at Dana White for setting up these lame **** fights. Dana was pissed because he had to answer to Vegas for all the bets he had to cover because no one bet on Silva winning by decision. So Dana to punish Silva gives him another crap fight. Chael will lose big! dont believe the hype.

[rugbyrucker]

Every champion fighter, at some point, starts to go down hill. And when that happens it usually happens pretty quick and out of nowhere. Silva has been in the game for a while and we don't really have much to look at to see where he is as a fighter based on his last few performances. He wasn't pressed at all with the only exception being a few moments where Mia turned it on. Silva didn't respond well to that.

 

So what I'm trying to say is I think Silva probably will win, but I also believe that he is past the pinnacle of his career or at least nearing that point. And when he hits it (if he doesn't retire before hand) people will be shocked at how beatable Anderson Silva is.

[ghack]

Chael does have great take downs, but look at the fight again Nate - he did no damge once he got the take down. Also he looked like he was ready to die after that fight. He will never survive 5 rounds with Silva. It will come down to how much he can take before he is finished.

[Lunchbox21]

to be totally honest i dont care about the facts. the only thing i want to happen is anderson silva finally losing and all these ufc fans that are in love with him realizing hes human. and the whole "best pound for pound fighter" wow who decided that. he is an outstanding striker ill give him that but by him saying i want to retire a middleweight just tells me that he wants the easy road to be a superstar and not have to fight any more big names cuz lets face it the middleweight division is garbage

[lilflip]

What is the point of these threads? You jits act like you've never seen some hype before. Its clear who is gonna win.

[Laminin]

What is the point of these threads? You jits act like you've never seen some hype before. Its clear who is gonna win.

 

to be totally honest i dont care about the facts. the only thing i want to happen is anderson silva finally losing and all these ufc fans that are in love with him realizing hes human. and the whole "best pound for pound fighter" wow who decided that. he is an outstanding striker ill give him that but by him saying i want to retire a middleweight just tells me that he wants the easy road to be a superstar and not have to fight any more big names cuz lets face it the middleweight division is garbage

 

You dont care about the facts? What a idiot. Silva is human. Super human. The reason that the middleweight division is garbage is because Silva has trashed everyone! Dana White sets the fights moron not Silva! Dana White is the problem. He puts these lame **** fights together.

[grappler774]

This fight could go either way. If Silva can't stop the take downs it will be all over for him. Sonnen is great at wearing opponents down and staying active at the same time. His style has left him susceptible to submissions because he doesn't just lay on people and stay tight. He constantly is moving and trying to inflict damage. So, his strengths have also been his undoing. If he has evolved his game and is looking for those submissions and can get this fight to the ground, Silva won't have much of an answer for the wrestling. Yes, Silva may submit him, but I am willing to bet that Silva cannot out wrestle Sonnen.

 

I have Sonnen picked to win this fight for his constant pace and no quit. He has some very awesome wrestling and hasn't tried to do anything different. He knows and has stated that if he can't get this to the ground that he will lose. But I like when he says something along the lines of having two awards on his wall that say that he can take Silva down.

 

Should be a great fight to see, I look forward to it.

[elmontro]

Chael does have great take downs' date=' but look at the fight again Nate - he did no damge once he got the take down. Also he looked like he was ready to die after that fight. He will never survive 5 rounds with Silva. It will come down to how much he can take before he is finished.[/quote']

 

Right, Nate killed him from his back and almost subbed Chael but he pulled that Guillotine all wrong, he was pulling up instead of down, just like Wandy did vs. Bisping, Maia is way less stronger that Nate and he subben Chael with ease....

[elmontro]

Fact: Chael will take Silva down

 

Fact: Silva will sub Chael from his back

 

Fact: If by any chance Chael escape that first sub attemp, he will try to get up himself and realize his only chance is grabbing Silva and pile drive him

[Furiousmat]

Fact:

Sonnen has a much bigger heart and actually wants to fight.

 

Fact:

Sonnen will win convincingly.

 

Fact : you don't know what a fact is.

[Chael_fan]

Fact : you don't know what a fact is.

 

Sure I do:

 

FACT

 

a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred; "first you must collect all the facts of the case"

 

a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument with an impressive array of facts"

 

an event known to have happened or something known to have existed; "your fears have no basis in fact"; "how much of the story is fact and how much fiction is hard to tell"

 

a concept whose truth can be proved; "scientific hypotheses are not facts"

[FLkicksass]

IMO the fact that sonnen is even getting a title shot is due to three things

 

1. The MW division is pretty weak

2. his ability to hype a fight

3. his ability to convince some of you fools that he actually has a chance because of his big mouth

 

lets look at the facts:

SONNEN:

Total 35

Wins 24

By knockout 7

By submission 3

By decision 14

 

Losses 10

By knockout 2

By submission 7

By decision 1

Draws 1

 

Last 3 victories in reverse order

 

Dan Miller: since losing to chael has lost to maia and bisping and has never beaten anyone of note

 

Yoshin Okami: lost to rich franklin and jake shields the only two championship material fighters on his record' date=' 'beat' silva by gettin kicked in the face illegally lol

 

[b']Nate Marquardt[/b]: lot of repect for nate but we all know what happened when he fought silva and he is never going to be champ, the fact he was in line for a rematch shows the MW division is not great at the moment

 

SONNEN WAS UNABLE TO FINISH ANY ONE OF THESE OPPONENTS!!

 

just how is he going to finish the spider!? answer: he's not

 

SILVA

Total 30

 

Wins 26

By knockout 15

By submission 4

By decision 7

 

Losses 4

By submission 2

By decision 1

By disqualification 1

 

anderson has beat franklin twice, dan henderson, nate, maia, griffin any anybody else in his way

 

he is considered P4P best fighter by many people in MMA circles for a reason.

 

sonnen has a punchers chance... nothing more, he's not gona dominate and win, if he wins it will be luck.

 

so please all of you who say sonnen is going to win back it up with some logical reasoning (if you even know what that means) as to why you believe that. When you look at the facts you see that all sonnen has is a big mouth and a patchy record, i for one am no silva fanboy but i hope he shut up this clown once and for all

 

is it because sonnen told you he could..... lol get on the noob-train

 

FACT: this is the real world and facts, figures, and logic can't predict the future

 

FACT: this is the world of mma and facts, figures, and logic don't realy mean anything in this crazy world where anything can happen. a big pair (which sonnen has) are more important than stupid facts.

 

i for one am not a big fan of either of these guys but think they both have what it takes to win, it all comes down to the night imo

[Furiousmat]

Sure I do:

 

FACT

 

a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred; "first you must collect all the facts of the case"

 

a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument with an impressive array of facts"

 

an event known to have happened or something known to have existed; "your fears have no basis in fact"; "how much of the story is fact and how much fiction is hard to tell"

 

a concept whose truth can be proved; "scientific hypotheses are not facts"

 

That doesn't prove you know what a fact is. That just proves you can search a dictionnary. There,s a diffrence between just copy/pasting a definition and actually being able to apply and understand this definition. You have to be able to recognize a fact. And you aren't.

[GSPmyIDOL]

FACT: this is the real world and facts' date=' figures, and logic can't predict the future

 

FACT: this is the world of mma and facts, figures, and logic don't realy mean anything in this crazy world where anything can happen. a big pair (which sonnen has) are more important than stupid facts.

 

i for one am not a big fan of either of these guys but think they both have what it takes to win, it all comes down to the night imo[/quote']

 

ah but you see i have collected facts about each fighter and based on these facts i have come to what i see as a logical opinion that sonnen has just a punchers chance, this is based on his past opponents, results and fight history.

 

your belief that anyone can win on the night is a false statement not based on the information we have on hand on both these fighters, IMO 9/10 silva take this, based on logic and reasoning as to who holds the most aces.

 

A big pair mean absolutely nothing!! just cus you run your mouth off arent afraid does'nt mean your not gona get bet by the more technically gifted, more experienced and better fighter!

 

bow down!

[TheKlepto]

i dont like either one of these guys. i especially dont like silva for two reasons. one he toys with his opponents knowing that they dont stand a chance. two he is as you said considered by many the "best pound-for-pound" fighter but has made it clear he would rather stay at middleweight where he has no competition. all this says to me is that he just wants to keep getting easy fights and not have to step up and back up all the crap his fans are talking. silva makes me sick

 

When's the last time GSP fought in a division outside of WW? Hell, even at a catchweight? Exactly. He hasn't. Ever.

 

When is the last time Anderson did? He fought at 205 not even a full year ago... and DOMINATED! He has also fought at Welterweight, early in his career. So he has at least proven that he is willing to move around and fight at different weight classes.

 

GSP has expressed interest in moving up in weight in a few years, so that the weight gain is permanent and he won't jump around. He wants to fight Anderson then.

 

Now, not to start an online war (god forbid that happen), but doesn't it seem odd that Anderson is hopping up in weight to fight after just a few months and GSP wants to wait years to do so? Seems to me as though someone has arachnophobia.

 

By all means, if you hate Anderson Silva, be my guest and keep on hating. If you think he's arrogant, hate him because of that. If you think he's disrespectful or just a straight up prick, hate him because of that. But please do not hate fighters and then claim it to be some other reason outside of the real. Obviously Anderson isn't afraid to move around weightclasses, yet you claim to have all this hatred towards him due to that fact. Come out and say how you really feel. Don't use a bunch of BS cover-ups ;-)

 

In closing, both GSP and Anderson are ridiculous atheletes, incredible fighters, and both have a case for P4P best in the world. In my OPINION, however, I believe Silva takes the title based simply on the fact that he has already proven he can fight and win at different weightclasses. GSP has not, as of yet.

[FLkicksass]

did you read what i wrote im not writing off that your facts are not correct im just saying you can't always rely on them.

 

i bow to nobody!

but i do get your point hopefuly you can get mine!

[GSPmyIDOL]

did you read what i wrote im not writing off that your facts are not correct im just saying you can't always rely on them.

 

i bow to nobody!

but i do get your point hopefuly you can get mine!

 

touche! i respect your opinion and your response

well played

[maxx77]

sonnen ftw.

[maxx77]

i'm a chael fan as well, and i'll be pulling him for..it appears he works hard and is confident..has a bit of ability...buts let be honest. as much as i dislike anderson silva and all his antics..chael has the advantage in wrestling and wrestling alone..we've seen what anderson does to those guys. chael is nowhere near ready[/quote

 

hes gonna put him on his back and make silva bleed

[comfortably_numbed]

only chance silva gets on his back is he wants to take a nap or he wants to break sonnens limbs off

[maxx77]

only chance silva gets on his back is he wants to take a nap or he wants to break sonnens limbs off

 

only breaking theres gunna be is silvas skull

[Moony]

If Dana W. is right, Chael is going to come out aggressive. That means it won't be boring even if he gets highlight-reel kod in the 1st. He has amazing wrestling and a solid chin, and unlike Hendo, won't try to strike with Anderson. This means a good chance for a war. Doesn't that sound like a major improvement over the previous matchups? It was obvious Forrest was going to try to strike and was going to get clobbered. It was obvious Leites shouldn't have been in the ring with him. This is actually the best matchup since Hendo, who might have won if he stuck with wrestling.

[shinsplint]

fact ..... silva is going to give sonnen an 'a' grade ko..... remember that...