"Roids"

[Serz]

Ok i know im new to these forums so i dont wanna be flamed, but yer. Now that someone has come out and "allegedly" said that Shane carwin has used steroids, it has made my thoughts even more confident. Gentleman, I think you guys all need to open your eyes and realise that most of the heavyweight division is on steroids, except for Big nog and cain(there bodies look natural). How could someone naturally get as big as Brock, or shane, its impossible. Those guys are bigger then body builders. Yes, i have been doing gym and im proof that you cant get that ****ing big. Ive done gym for 2 years straight with a proffesional made diet and protein, and i still havent gotten big. Now your telling me, Frank mir decides to go on a break after losing to Brock lesnar and gain 20pounds of muscle in a few months? Get stuffed is all i gatta say. If any1 denies that Brock lesnar/Shane carwin is on roids is ignorant. And even randy, at the age that he is, close to 50, his going to have a body looking that good without using anything unatural? LOL

 

Anyways I admire people like Nog, Cain and especially fedor for keeping natural. Fedor gets flamed for being small and pudgy to LOL, well if brock didnt use roids yer he'd definitely look that to.

 

<3

[serb-1]

well sir, while i don't agree with what you say i'll defend to the death your right to say it.

[Serz]

I dont get how you cant see that, If u want some proof bro, go and do some gym for a year, lets see how big you get.

[artvandelay-1]

They test for steroids, for you to say that these people are taking steroids because you cant gain muscle is very ignorant. "Well if I cant do it then they MUST be taking something". Some people have very good genes and can put on more muscle than others. Again" THEY TEST FOR STEROIDS" If it was up to you what would you do? Ban everyone who is muscular from the UFC. These guys spend 10's of 100's of thousands of dollars on their training. Get over it.

[JimmyT1222]

Ok i know im new to these forums so i dont wanna be flamed' date=' but yer. Now that someone has come out and "allegedly" said that Shane carwin has used steroids, it has made my thoughts even more confident. Gentleman, I think you guys all need to open your eyes and realise that most of the heavyweight division is on steroids, except for Big nog and cain(there bodies look natural). How could someone naturally get as big as Brock, or shane, its impossible. Those guys are bigger then body builders. Yes, i have been doing gym and im proof that you cant get that ****ing big. Ive done gym for 2 years straight with a proffesional made diet and protein, and i still havent gotten big. Now your telling me, Frank mir decides to go on a break after losing to Brock lesnar and gain 20pounds of muscle in a few months? Get stuffed is all i gatta say. If any1 denies that Brock lesnar/Shane carwin is on roids is ignorant. And even randy, at the age that he is, close to 50, his going to have a body looking that good without using anything unatural? LOL

 

Anyways I admire people like Nog, Cain and especially fedor for keeping natural. Fedor gets flamed for being small and pudgy to LOL, well if brock didnt use roids yer he'd definitely look that to.

 

<3[/quote']

 

You can't judge a persons body type to determine if they use steroids. Chris Leben was juicing, does his body look like someone you thought would be using?

[ToiletSeat]

There is a big chance that they have done then, but taking steroids does not gain mass, they still had to put work in. Also they are maintaining their weight throughout being tested so i don't see them being on them now atleast

[serb-1]

ima go with good genes

[artvandelay-1]

Ok i know im new to these forums so i dont wanna be flamed' date=' but yer. Now that someone has come out and "allegedly" said that Shane carwin has used steroids, it has made my thoughts even more confident. Gentleman, I think you guys all need to open your eyes and realise that most of the heavyweight division is on steroids, except for Big nog and cain(there bodies look natural). How could someone naturally get as big as Brock, or shane, its impossible. Those guys are bigger then body builders. Yes, i have been doing gym and im proof that you cant get that ****ing big. Ive done gym for 2 years straight with a proffesional made diet and protein, and i still havent gotten big. Now your telling me, Frank mir decides to go on a break after losing to Brock lesnar and gain 20pounds of muscle in a few months? Get stuffed is all i gatta say. If any1 denies that Brock lesnar/Shane carwin is on roids is ignorant. And even randy, at the age that he is, close to 50, his going to have a body looking that good without using anything unatural? LOL

 

Anyways I admire people like Nog, Cain and especially fedor for keeping natural. Fedor gets flamed for being small and pudgy to LOL, well if brock didnt use roids yer he'd definitely look that to.

 

<3[/quote']

 

What do you suggest be done about people who "obviously" are doing steroids but have NEVER tested positive. How about make claims about them on the internet to make them look like cheaters without having any proof. Maybe the UFC could hire you to kick out anybody who doesn't look natural?

[Serz]

I know all about steroids and i know that even if you take steroids, if you dont work hard, nothing happens. But thats the points these guys do work hard. I was reading about how you can get past steroid tests, and apperently if new types of steroids are made and it isnt in the system, it cant track the steroids, so it comes up as negative. Artvandelay, bro its not just me, its all my mates to, i know people who have been doing gym for 2-3 years and now there starting to become big, but not EXTREMELY BIG and RIPPED like brock and shane its ridiculous. I do BJJ and wrestling aswell, but its all about tecnique not building strength. Well and wrestling we have days where we do a lot of strength and conditions but it mostly consists of push ups and sit ups and chin ups. So I dont know how someone could get that big Natually, its impossible.

[ToiletSeat]

I know all about steroids and i know that even if you take steroids' date=' if you dont work hard, nothing happens.[/b'] But thats the points these guys do work hard. I was reading about how you can get past steroid tests, and apperently if new types of steroids are made and it isnt in the system, it cant track the steroids, so it comes up as negative. Artvandelay, bro its not just me, its all my mates to, i know people who have been doing gym for 2-3 years and now there starting to become big, but not EXTREMELY BIG and RIPPED like brock and shane its ridiculous. I do BJJ and wrestling aswell, but its all about tecnique not building strength. Well and wrestling we have days where we do a lot of strength and conditions but it mostly consists of push ups and sit ups and chin ups. So I dont know how someone could get that big Natually, its impossible.

 

Nope if you don't do anything you grow breasts the excess testosterone turns into estrogen (if i remember correctly, its been years since i learnt about them)

[Dick_Fitzswell]

I don't think he is far off. I thought it was an accepted fact that 70-80% of professional athletes use some for of performance enhancers. I'm not going to go ahead and say Brock and Shane still take them, I would venture to say they both have, Brock for sure, as he was outrageously big in the WWE days, or whatever org. he was a part of. As for Randy Couture, I don't think he takes steroids, but I would bet my life he uses HGH, I've heard from several sources that this is a known fact, he is prescribed it from a doctor. Whether the are liable sources I don't know, but I would guess that he is.

 

randy should change his name at this point in his career. Randy 'The Unnatural" Couture.

[Serz]

Thank you someone for opening there eyes, far out. Its so obvious honestly, who ever doesnt believe it is so ignorant honestly..

[artvandelay-1]

I know all about steroids and i know that even if you take steroids' date=' if you dont work hard, nothing happens. But thats the points these guys do work hard. I was reading about how you can get past steroid tests, and apperently if new types of steroids are made and it isnt in the system, it cant track the steroids, so it comes up as negative. Artvandelay, bro its not just me, its all my mates to, i know people who have been doing gym for 2-3 years and now there starting to become big, but not EXTREMELY BIG and RIPPED like brock and shane its ridiculous. I do BJJ and wrestling aswell, but its all about tecnique not building strength. Well and wrestling we have days where we do a lot of strength and conditions but it mostly consists of push ups and sit ups and chin ups. So I dont know how someone could get that big Natually, its impossible.[/quote']

 

Serz, I actually agree with you. 99.9% percent of people cant get that big without some sort of P.E.D.s . That being said the guys who compete at this level are not like you or me. Most guys have been working out, cutting weight, and competing since they were 5 years old. They have more supplements than you or I could ever buy. They have nutritionist that tell them when to eat, sleep and believe it or not crap (ask Jon Jones). As for getting past tests thats really the only way for the UFC to check up on these guys. If someone tests positive I will be the first to call on them to be banned 4 life but until you have proof its just not fair to accuse them. I hear what your saying, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST THE UFC DOES ABOUT IT? Honestly I'd like to hear what we could do about it?

[Labyrinthic]

Ok i know im new to these forums so i dont wanna be flamed' date=' but yer. Now that someone has come out and "allegedly" said that Shane carwin has used steroids, it has made my thoughts even more confident. Gentleman, I think you guys all need to open your eyes and realise that most of the heavyweight division is on steroids, except for Big nog and cain(there bodies look natural). How could someone naturally get as big as Brock, or shane, its impossible. Those guys are bigger then body builders. Yes, i have been doing gym and im proof that you cant get that ****ing big. Ive done gym for 2 years straight with a proffesional made diet and protein, and i still havent gotten big. Now your telling me, Frank mir decides to go on a break after losing to Brock lesnar and gain 20pounds of muscle in a few months? Get stuffed is all i gatta say. If any1 denies that Brock lesnar/Shane carwin is on roids is ignorant. And even randy, at the age that he is, close to 50, his going to have a body looking that good without using anything unatural? LOL

 

Anyways I admire people like Nog, Cain and especially fedor for keeping natural. Fedor gets flamed for being small and pudgy to LOL, well if brock didnt use roids yer he'd definitely look that to.

 

<3[/quote']

 

LOL,so you have been training for 2 full years with a profesional diet and didnt gain any muscle?? Then you are doing something very wrong my friend, and im not saying you can get bodybuilder big in 2 years, but with the right diet you can gain atleast 10 pounds of pure muscle if you do things right,wich you apperantly are not doing..

[Serz]

I know what you mean bro, theres nothing you can do about it, plus you think Dana wants to do something about it, his rich coz of Brock man, Brock is ganna bring him millions of dollars he doesnt give a ****. Thing is bro ive been doing wrestling since i was 11 aswell but it just doesnt make sence to me. How could someone be that big, they are definitely on steroids man seriously, definitely on steroids i dont see how they cant be.

[Hookster]

you also have to remember that cardio is the main part of these fighters workouts. nomatter what part of training theyre doing,yet some of these guys come fight night still manage to keep the bulked up just done 12 heavy sets on chest look.

 

any bodybuilder knows if your training for size,but doing alot of cardio aswell,its hard to keep the size on,cardio sacrafices bulk but makes you ripped more."naturally" gaining 20-30lbs muscle in a short time like some fighters do is abserd lol.

 

naturally you cant keep size on when you train as much cardio as these guys,unless your muscles are repairing ten times faster with help from a needle.

 

prime example-bobby lashley.

 

 

fair play to the roiders that get through the tests clean,even tho its unfair.

[Serz]

Labyrinthic, obviously you are Brock lover and i dont mean any disrespect to him, he's an animal. With the gym thing, i did gain muscle, and i still am, but not abnormally like these guys. Frank mir gained 20pounds of muscle in a few months, now thats ****ing ********, i dont care if you got ***** magic genes, no one is gaining that much muscle in that short amount of time without steroids.

[artvandelay-1]

One last comment then I'm done. O.K. so your saying if someone had unlimited money, and freakishly muscular genes and a desire and drive to workout, eat right and devote their entire life to working out then you are still saying that it is impossible to be the size of Brock?

[Labyrinthic]

I don't think he is far off. I thought it was an accepted fact that 70-80% of professional athletes use some for of performance enhancers. I'm not going to go ahead and say Brock and Shane still take them' date=' I would venture to say they both have, Brock for sure, as he was outrageously big in the WWE days, or whatever org. he was a part of. As for Randy Couture, I don't think he takes steroids, but I would bet my life he uses HGH, I've heard from several sources that this is a known fact, he is prescribed it from a doctor. Whether the are liable sources I don't know, but I would guess that he is.

 

randy should change his name at this point in his career. Randy 'The Unnatural" Couture.[/quote']

 

Uhm, you clearly dont know what HGH is, its a human growth hormon and if you use that stuff you get freakishly big, even your arms and fingers grow with that stuff..

 

So take back what you said about Mr Couture,*******..

[Serz]

Look man im not going to discuss about brock lesnar on roids, He is definitely on roids, ill bet my balls on it that he is on roids. Its impossible to be that big without roids. roids roids roids

[BHSwrestler]

OH yes your two years of weight lifting would definately get you as big as Brock. He's only been working out for 20 years and is naturally huge. but im sure youre just the same as him and have worked out just as hard.

[ShadowOverYou]

I dont care to look and find it... but if you see a picture of brock lesnar at ages like 12 16 18 you will notice he has ALWAYS been a monster... Just a genetic freak, unless of course he was on roids from ages 10-18

[Labyrinthic]

Labyrinthic' date=' obviously you are Brock lover and i dont mean any disrespect to him, he's an animal. With the gym thing, i did gain muscle, and i still am, but not abnormally like these guys. Frank mir gained 20pounds of muscle in a few months, now thats ****ing ********, i dont care if you got ***** magic genes, no one is gaining that much muscle in that short amount of time without steroids.[/quote']

 

20 pounds of muscle? nah man, that wassent all muscle he gained my friend, it wassent like he looked like he was made out of concrete all of a sudden, he looked chubby..and if you want to get big naturally, you will have to train for years and years, after probably a year or 6 you can say, wth im a big boy now! But not after 2 years, you are just getting started..And uhm, yeah some people do gain that much weight in only a few months even if they are not on roids, and yes it is in their genes...If my english was any better I would have tried to explain more, but it aint so, look it up on the internet

[moaL]

Innocent till proven guilty aye?

[Labyrinthic]

Look man im not going to discuss about brock lesnar on roids' date=' He is definitely on roids, ill bet my balls on it that he is on roids. Its impossible to be that big without roids. roids roids roids[/quote']

 

Lol, you mean he IS on roids right now? ahhh, i cant take you serious anymore..

[bright508620]

ill tell you something. Good genes are good genes, but when they have been lifting since 14 years old like i have, you CAN naturally maintain one hell of a body. You can get ripped and look pretty big. I have maintained that body at only 168 pounds. I can put up 315lbs naturally for the bench.

 

Now for the steroids. Brock HAS used them in his career. Every WWE guy has. I think he has used them for a long time but when his hospital trip hit, i think he decided to stop them right there. Shane Carwin i believe has taken them also. But has done short short cycles of them so he wouldnt get tested poistitive,

 

You know if take roids orally, 7 more days after stopping, you can be tested that says you dont have roids in you....But if you inject them they can stay in your body for up to a year.

 

So you CAN get away with it easily. You just have to be smart.

 

You people have to understand that a lot of ppl take roids and they succede in doing them. Consider this: if you are a pro athlete not taking roid, congrats, you probably hit THE SPOT ON with all your diet/training/everything, because it doesn't happen to much unless you have a special ability. Most don't, so they use roids and that makes it their special ability.

[FLkicksass]

I dont get how you cant see that' date=' If u want some proof bro, go and do some gym for a year, lets see how big you get.[/quote']

 

just because you don't have the body type that they do doesnt mean they are all on roids. im sure brock and shane would have been 450 lb blobs of fat if they hadnt worked very hard in the gym!

[MoZZez]

The amount of stupid in this thread is unbelievable.

 

So because you are a wanna be body builder who obviously doesn't have a clue how to gain weight and mass, that automatically means these guys are on roids?

 

I dont doubt for one minute that Brock and Shane probably did them. I am not stupid enough to say they definitely did because there is no hard evidence. I also do not doubt that a lot of athletes have tried them, but if the tests are coming back clean, the tests are coming back clean.

 

Brock has his own gym and training facility in his backyard, he has been big since he was born, he has been an active athlete since you were still a glimmer in your dads ball sack.

Muscle memory. Once you work at your body that much over the years, especially when you can dedicate full months into it instead of your pathetic hour a day work out, then yes, you can move body weight and mass around as you choose.

 

These guys are PROFESSIONAL athletes, so keep your scrub gym program that doesn't work and *****ing about guys who put effort into theirs that actually does pay off.

[FLkicksass]

I know all about steroids and i know that even if you take steroids' date=' if you dont work hard, nothing happens. But thats the points these guys do work hard. I was reading about how you can get past steroid tests, and apperently if new types of steroids are made and it isnt in the system, it cant track the steroids, so it comes up as negative. Artvandelay, bro its not just me, its all my mates to, i know people who have been doing gym for 2-3 years and now there starting to become big, but not EXTREMELY BIG and RIPPED like brock and shane its ridiculous. I do BJJ and wrestling aswell, but its all about tecnique not building strength. Well and wrestling we have days where we do a lot of strength and conditions but it mostly consists of push ups and sit ups and chin ups. So I dont know how someone could get that big Natually, its impossible.[/quote']

 

dude get a grip your friends have been "doing gym" for 2-3 years while brock and shane have been huge since they were kids and been "doing gym" since they where 12 probably!

[Rauburt]

I dont get how you cant see that' date=' If u want some proof bro, go and do some gym for a year, lets see how big you get.[/quote']

 

Question: How Do You "do gym"

[KaTsA]

Brock probably did take sterioids back in his pro wrestling days, not simply for the benefits they give to muscle building, but also due to the regenerative properties that steroids give. Many professional athletes have taken Steroids purely for the healing process.

 

Once you bulk up to a certain size, all you really need do is continue a vigorous excercise regime to keep yourself there.

 

Almost all the professional fighters, the guys and girls who compete in MMA as their main source off income will train like six days a week, with highly qualified personal trainers and nutritionists who use tried and tested sciences to maintain the highest levels of fitness, cardio, strenth, conditioning etc etc. So simply because you have been doing "gym" (what ever the hell that even is) for two years does not make you an expert in the matter.

 

Further more, suggesting that people who are not so quick to cry "roid abuse" simply because some peoples genetics may just be better suited for muscle gain than your own are ignorant is just frankly hypocritical and extremely foolish.

 

Especially when you claim that Dana wont care if Lesnar is on the juice! You do know it's not the UFC that tests the fighters? It's the State Athletic Commision, so if a fighter tests positive, Dana will be pissed, as every fighter in the UFC is an investment for Zuffa, so they stand to lose money when fighters are issued with bans. Not to mention the fact that if fighters get caught using banned substances, it takes away credibility for the sport, something they have been trying to build for years.

 

So please, don't be so naive, I'm not saying that all the fighters are clean, hell, I've no doubt that a good percentage of them have at some point in time used P.E.D's, some legal, others not, but I highly doubt that all the fighters you mentioned have.

[Labyrinthic]

Question: How Do You "do gym"

 

Lol, I didnt even noticed he used the word,gym..

[NFL_FTW]

To say Lesnar did not take steroids is absolutely insane. Of course he took steroids during his professional wrestling days! It's like, 90% of the professional wrestlers took them even during his time as a pro wrestler. I think the only industry that has a bigger percentage of people taking steroids is body building or cycling.

 

That'll always go against him. Now, what's the difference between Lesnar and someone like... Sean Sherk who are both UFC fighters? Lesnar FINISHES fights! And that's exciting! No one wants to see a Sean Sherk, GSP, Jon Fitch (and many more!) LnP festival for 3 to 5 rounds.

[PaulMitchell]

Ok i know im new to these forums so i dont wanna be flamed' date=' but yer. Now that someone has come out and "allegedly" said that Shane carwin has used steroids, it has made my thoughts even more confident. Gentleman, I think you guys all need to open your eyes and realise that most of the heavyweight division is on steroids, except for Big nog and cain(there bodies look natural). How could someone naturally get as big as Brock, or shane, its impossible. Those guys are bigger then body builders. Yes, i have been doing gym and im proof that you cant get that ****ing big. Ive done gym for 2 years straight with a proffesional made diet and protein, and i still havent gotten big. Now your telling me, Frank mir decides to go on a break after losing to Brock lesnar and gain 20pounds of muscle in a few months? Get stuffed is all i gatta say. If any1 denies that Brock lesnar/Shane carwin is on roids is ignorant. And even randy, at the age that he is, close to 50, his going to have a body looking that good without using anything [b']unatural[/b]? LOL

 

Anyways I admire people like Nog, Cain and especially fedor for keeping natural. Fedor gets flamed for being small and pudgy to LOL, well if brock didnt use roids yer he'd definitely look that to.

 

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Pun intended?

[team_spahr]

Uhm' date=' you clearly dont know what HGH is, its a human growth hormon and if you use that stuff you get freakishly big, even your arms and fingers grow with that stuff..

 

So take back what you said about Mr Couture,*******..[/quote']

 

like thiago alves and his massive head, speaking of massive hat sizes. Tito, Rampage, Lesnar

[Piercer138]

just say no to roids.

[Furiousmat]

well since there is no proof except your supposed common sense regarding these things I'm not gonna believe that kind of accusations. I gotta agree that I rarely see guys as big as this. But it does exist. Genetic has a lot to do. If I train like a beast for months and months I'll pack up weight but not that much. Also I've been training for a while with one of my friend who's genetically kinda gifted for his shape. He's 5'10 and weights around 180 lbs, I helped him take 3plate +10 on the bench, that is, 6*45 +2*20 +bar (45 lbs) = 355 lbs.. He really has a shape comparable to GSP's but I mean.. Training for years and years, I hang out with this guy almost ona daily basis. I know he takes no roids or any kind of drugs. Just proteins and stuff like superpump250 (legally bought in nutrition stores) and truth is.. he gets stronger but not bigger.. So.. Yeah that kind of things makes me question if it is really possible to put on 20 lbs that quick..

 

But take into consideration that a guy who naturally weights around 245 lbs is a guy who easily puts weight on. He probly would be larger than that if he didn't train. They watch their weight. When they decide to add some weight (guys like Mir or Carwin), their body more easily acept it than a lean guy like me. I think if they get loaded in protein bars and shakes, follow strict diet made by professionnals and train every day the right way with professionnal... I think it's possible to get that big.. If I did it, it wouldn't work.. but since they're genecaly predisposed to acquire weight, yeah, it's possible..

[the_bear413]

Ok i know im new to these forums so i dont wanna be flamed' date=' but yer. Now that someone has come out and "allegedly" said that Shane carwin has used steroids, it has made my thoughts even more confident. Gentleman, I think you guys all need to open your eyes and realise that most of the heavyweight division is on steroids, except for Big nog and cain(there bodies look natural). How could someone naturally get as big as Brock, or shane, its impossible. Those guys are bigger then body builders. Yes, i have been doing gym and im proof that you cant get that ****ing big. Ive done gym for 2 years straight with a proffesional made diet and protein, and i still havent gotten big. Now your telling me, Frank mir decides to go on a break after losing to Brock lesnar and gain 20pounds of muscle in a few months? Get stuffed is all i gatta say. If any1 denies that Brock lesnar/Shane carwin is on roids is ignorant. And even randy, at the age that he is, close to 50, his going to have a body looking that good without using anything unatural? LOL

 

Anyways I admire people like Nog, Cain and especially fedor for keeping natural. Fedor gets flamed for being small and pudgy to LOL, well if brock didnt use roids yer he'd definitely look that to.

 

<3[/quote']

 

It's not impossible to get that big. Steroids just make it 10x easier and 10x faster.

[DKF]

Look man im not going to discuss about brock lesnar on roids' date=' He is definitely on roids, ill bet my balls on it that he is on roids. Its impossible to be that big without roids. roids roids roids[/quote']

 

You lose your balls because he is not on them anymore.

[DKF]

Lesnar and Carwin and a couple others have done steroids. They do not do them anymore, they work out 6 hours a day to maintain size. Whoever said you cant do cardio and maintain muscle is ****ing retarded. Mir gained weight fast he worked out like a monster. Lesnar has been lifting weights since he was like 10 he said it in an interview or something. I'm 100% positive he has done them but he doesnt do them anymore. So stop hating UFCGOD1, you honestly think your going to have 7 posts saying the exact same things as he does.

[DKF]

LOL he does gym, I bet its middle school P.E. gym. He probably stretches and plays dodgeball and wonders why he is not getting built from that. I bet the maker of this thread is UFCGOD1 on his 8th account, anyone agree with me.

[Opie295]

well sir' date=' while i don't agree with what you say i'll defend to the death your right to say it.[/quote']

 

classic

[nyran125]

innocent till proven guilty.

[Americana23]

I dont get how you cant see that' date=' If u want some proof bro, go and do some gym for a year, lets see how big you get.[/quote']

Maybe you just aren't working hard enough, man.

 

I've been going to the gym regularly for the past year now and I've gone from 160 to 175 mostly in the legs though. Mir got a former World's Strongest Man to help him with his regimen so don't lump Shane in with everyone. If you know what you're doing and you're willing to kick your own **** you can get bigger and stronger

[Soulrebel]

I know all about steroids and i know that even if you take steroids' date=' if you dont work hard, nothing happens. But thats the points these guys do work hard. I was reading about how you can get past steroid tests, and apperently if new types of steroids are made and it isnt in the system, it cant track the steroids, so it comes up as negative. Artvandelay, bro its not just me, its all my mates to, i know people who have been doing gym for 2-3 years and now there starting to become big, but not EXTREMELY BIG and RIPPED like brock and shane its ridiculous. I do BJJ and wrestling aswell, but its all about tecnique not building strength. Well and wrestling we have days where we do a lot of strength and conditions but it mostly consists of push ups and sit ups and chin ups. So I dont know how someone could get that big Natually, its impossible.[/quote']

 

All about good genes. Also, both Shane and Brock have probably been hittin' the gym for more than 2-3 years..

Yes, they're huge but they have spent most of their lives getting their strength.

[HIMBOB]

For the purpose of the below I will refer to Roids as basically any performance enhancer that is illegal. Do note that part ?illegal? as that is the crux of the issue in my mind and I mean that in reference to the sport in which the athlete comptetes.

As will always be the case some performance enhancing substances will be used for a while before they are made illegal. There is good money in skating that fine line. So when you have professional athletes seeking every small gain in performance to give them the edge (or not to give away the edge) it is a dead set certainty that many of the fighter are using drugs and supplements that one will be illegal but currently they are not. You combine that with training hard for a decade, genes predisposed to bulk plus professional training and diet and I have to wonder what you would expect if not freaky huge dudes like Carwin and Lesnar.

Further every docco or show I have seen about steroids states the main reason roids are used by profesisonal athletes is not to get bigger or faster instead it is to recover from injury faster (which is what steriods were designed to do). Down time to injury is a massive problem as not only do they not get better they fall back and if you can halve your injury time you will be a much better fighter. While I don?t know the any rules or regs surronding this I would imgaine most professional sporting bodies would allow injured athletes the same kind of care that the averagecitizens would get and that includes steriods.

 

My bym buddy for example is of a similar build to those guys if he ever fell below about 115kg (250 pounds) he would look unwell. He just has that frame, he is no taller than me but I would guess the volume of his rib cage is over double that of mine. If he worked out hard for say 2 years he would be of similar size to Carwin and Lesnar. Similar not the same.

 

Personally I trained moderately hard for 1.5 years and put on near 50 pounds. I didn?t have a personal trainer, i didn?t eat as well as I could have, I didn?t sleep as much as I should have, had a few month off to injury and I had the odd weekend were I would lose 4kg from stupidily excessive partying. During this whole time I never had soft muslce it was all lean. I would train between 2 and 4 hours per week on average and some weeks wouldn?t go at all. I would take Protein shakes, Glutamine and mutli vitamins. With that in mind I feel it is would have been possible to put on 100 pounds in that time had I focussed solely on that and had professional assistance and guideance.

 

Lastly,

I have no doubt whatsoever Lesnar used Roids in the WWE as it basically a research centre for performance enhancers. However I now consider him clean due to all the weight he lost with his sickness and since then he has been on a testing regieme and therefore couldn?t have done anything the other fighters couldn?t.

 

 

 

Last point,

If you are not getting any real bulk after two years of serious training I suggest its time you start doing legs and stop focusing on your arms.

[mmajunkie123]

Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin do not work out like you and your buddies do. They fight for a living so they train and lift weights WAY more and also they have the best equipment money can buy. If you worked out like Carwin and Lesnar you would gain way more muscle. BTW lesnar doesn't do roids theres no chance. He used to when he was in the WWE and he was absolutely huge but he has gotten alot smaller since he started mma because he stopped. look at a pic of brock when he was in WWE and a pic of his last fight and you will know he doesn't anymore there is a huge difference. As for Carwin and Mir....possibly

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[Kristufa]

Lol I love how you compare yourself to these guys.

 

Good read though

[HIMBOB]

BTW lesnar doesn't do roids theres no chance. He used to when he was in the WWE and he was absolutely huge but he has gotten alot smaller since he started mma because he stopped. look at a pic of brock when he was in WWE and a pic of his last fight and you will know he doesn't anymore there is a huge difference. As for Carwin and Mir....possibly

 

I don't understand how Carwin and Mir are possible but Lesnar no chance??

 

Doing roids or not Lesnar needs to cut to 265 to fight and he couldn't have done that before.

So him being smaller now than in his certain roids period can not be used to support your argument as he would have had to get smaller regardless.