Alex_L Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I know mma math doesn't work but jones tooled someone (hamill) who beat bader's biggest win (jardine). Bader only has one good win, jones has 3 (4 if you count hamill). I have no idea how anyone can have Bader in front of Jones. I like both fighters a lot so please don't say i'm nut-huggin'. Poll coming.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I think Jones is above Bader he is very quick and elusive. Also I don't think I have seen someone who slaps on crucifixes as fast as he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsit6989_specv Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader needs a few more fights to prove himself, seems to have good potential tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudiorebelo Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Jones. The way he wins fights is scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KansasCityKing Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader wins because he has a better nickname. Bow down before Darth aka the Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhet Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader has better skills, Jones has the better body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendur Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader needs a few more fights to prove himself' date=' seems to have good potential tho.[/quote'] Bader needs to prove himself? When he KO'd Jardine he was still in the top 10. Jones hasnt even fought a top 10 UFC fighter. His first chance to do so he ran away like a scared *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melvinj0 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 If you gunna count Bonnar and Vera as good wins for Jones you may as well count Schafer and Marrero as good wins for Bader Id say all 4 fighters are around the same skill level. Its hard to say who is better atm, i think in a fight Bader would probly take it just because his with his build it would be hard for Jones to whip him around the way he has been doing to his other opps. Also, i think Bader would be smart and just try to take jones down right away like Matyushenko should have done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP24 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader's certainly ranked higher, but Jones, in my mind, is better, but not by much... I think Bader and Jones would be a good fight, BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowebar03 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader has proven more to me then jones ATM, he is fighting lil nog next for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alleng Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader is way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nizmo270r Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Jones and Bader need to fight I wanna see jones chin tested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_merck Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 jones is better than bader. bader will face lig nog for what reason? lig nog past his prime. look at his performance in his last fight hes not the same before when he is in pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader is way better. lets see... wrestling - jones striking - jones grappling - jones power - bader gassing ability - bader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alleng Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 lets see...wrestling - jones striking - jones grappling - jones power - bader gassing ability - bader wrestling - Bader striking - Bader grappling - Bader power - Bader gassing ability - Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 wrestling - Baderstriking - Bader grappling - Bader power - Bader gassing ability - Jones you pretty much just turned that whole thing around on me.... damn you're good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alleng Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 you pretty much just turned that whole thing around on me.... damn you're good Neither one of them have fought anybody great yet, so ya I am just guessing and hoping because I like Bader better. Guess we'll find out in their next fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Neither one of them have fought anybody great yet' date=' so ya I am just guessing and hoping because I like Bader better. Guess we'll find out in their next fights.[/quote'] yeah. but you have to admit that so far bones has beaten stiffer competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alleng Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 yeah. but you have to admit that so far bones has beaten stiffer competition. Maybe so, but I just wonder whats going to happen when he runs in to someone he can't man handle. That's when we'll see how good he really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Maybe so' date=' but I just wonder whats going to happen when he runs in to someone he can't man handle. That's when we'll see how good he really is.[/quote'] who can't he manhandle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbrahams Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I think Jones has too much more depth than Bader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I think Jones has too much more depth than Bader sooo?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alleng Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 who can't he manhandle? Bader, Thiago Silva, Lil Nog, Machida, Shogun. Probably a few i'm leaving out, but if he can man handle all of these guys like he has his last few opponents, then he is the best and I have really underestimated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader' date=' Thiago Silva, Lil Nog, Machida, Shogun. Probably a few i'm leaving out, but if he can man handle all of these guys like he has his last few opponents, then he is the best and I have really underestimated him.[/quote'] trust me.... you are underestimating him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alleng Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 trust me.... you are underestimating him. We'll see, he is about to start fighting some better competition. I have a feeling someone will figure him out. Could be similar to what we seen with Sonnen, someone with no fear and willing to take the fight to him. See how he responds to pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 We'll see' date=' he is about to start fighting some better competition. I have a feeling someone will figure him out. Could be similar to what we seen with Sonnen, someone with no fear and willing to take the fight to him. See how he responds to pressure.[/quote'] Kimbo Slice..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDevil Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 both sucks equally..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alleng Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Kimbo Slice..... No, someone with skill obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 both sucks equally..lol I bet your needle-tipped sized brain couldn't figure out what the square root of Jon Jones is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1enter Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I think jones just because of the way he finishes fights but without a doubt both have bright futures in the UFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_M Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I'd say Jon Jones. I think he will be the LHW champion by next year. Ryan Bader is looking good aswell, if he beats Noguira then that will put him close to a title shot imo. I dont think we will see them fight unless its for a title, just like Cain vs JDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMARSA Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Jones... I think this guy's is gonna be champ in the next couple of years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button_man Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 as much as i hate it,bones as of now is better than bader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raps43 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 bader has better skills' date=' jones has the better body.[/quote'] What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDevil Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I bet your needle-tipped sized brain couldn't figure out what the square root of Jon Jones is. he is way overrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesbonesbones Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I think it goes something like this. They are both great talents and possible future LHW champions. But Jon Jones has fought wrestlers they thought would wreck him, and he wrecked them in their own game... so no one knows how good he really is, his potential is really limitless. I believe the last time we saw Bader he had a brawl with Keith Jardine, who is no longer even in the UFC, so i think we can see the limit of his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion_Heart15 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 jones easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Pilks Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader has proven more to me then jones ATM' date=' he is fighting lil nog next for a reason.[/quote'] Jones is headlining events for a reason, the UFC knows he's the real deal. He's doing interviews on ESPN, was the first interview on UFC insider. Vera was pretty highly ranked in their fight. Hamill at the time was pretty highly ranked and Matyushenko was considered a very good veteran with great wrestling and all three were utterly destroyed. Jones will be champ and a lot sooner than people think. Although Bader is good, Jones posses a LOT of problems for him. Great wrestler who could keep it on the feet or probably take Bader down. And those HELLBOWS of Jones are going to win him a lot of matches. Jones also has the most strategic coaches and the best training partners in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtp Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Im thinkin Bones hasnt had the test of a top level competitor. Griffin seems to be a great fit for Bones' next opponent. Either him or Thiago Silva. Bot will be the test he needs to see if he is as good as he is hyped up. Both are going to lose in the next two or so fights anyway. It will be the last loss before they get a shot at the belt. The best thing for both of them by the way. These guys are both the next mega stars of the MMA world. They will change things in the next couple of years Im thinkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martino231 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Someday, someone will take advantage of the way that Jon Jones positions his limbs on the ground and will catch him in a sub. That's when we'll really see him get tested. That said though, you can't argue with the speed and brutality of his performances as of late. O'Brien, Hamill, Vera and Vlad were all tipped to be big tests for him and he's finished them all without much effort. Neither guy likes unbeatable, but if I had to pick a winner in a Jones vs Bader fight, I'd go with Jones at this moment in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhet Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader has been winning fights, Jones have been annihilating people. Quite a difference, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martino231 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader has been winning fights' date=' Jones have been annihilating people.Quite a difference, isn't it?[/quote'] That just shows a stylistic difference though. Thiago Alves has been finishing people his whole life, Jon Fitch has been grinding out decisions for his entire career. We all know how it went down at 117 though. I agree that Jones is the better fighter right now, but I can't see a real cap on either fighter's potential, so I wouldn't be hugely surprised if Bader turned out better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OranJuice Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader has better skills' date=' Jones has the better body.[/quote'] WHAAAATT? lol. Moves that Jones uses EFFECTIVELY Spinning Elbows Spinning Back Kicks Elbows from the top Crucifix Suplex (Bonnar fght) Bones even faked a TD and hit Bonnar with a spinning elbow. To say Bader has a better Skillset standing or on the ground is Ignorant at best. Bones is the most Creative fighter in the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlebright Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Jones is headlining events for a reason' date=' the UFC knows he's the real deal. He's doing interviews on ESPN, was the first interview on UFC insider. Vera was pretty highly ranked in their fight. Hamill at the time was pretty highly ranked and Matyushenko was considered a very good veteran with great wrestling and all three were utterly destroyed. Jones will be champ and a lot sooner than people think. Although Bader is good, Jones posses a LOT of problems for him. Great wrestler who could keep it on the feet or probably take Bader down. And those HELLBOWS of Jones are going to win him a lot of matches. Jones also has the most strategic coaches and the best training partners in the game.[/quote'] Let's be honest, the real reason Jones is headlining the TV events is because he has a lot of hype and is on a cheap contract. Bader has a TUF winner contract and therefore is too expensive for the free cards. Once Bones signs a new deal (I believe he only has 1-2 fights left on his current one) he'll be on the PPV cards exclusively. As for who is better, Bader is slightly further along in his career, he's already beaten one top 10 guy and now is fighting another as the co-main event of a PPV. But I feel that Jones has more potential. It will be really interesting to see where things sit in the LHW division a year or two from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixshoota Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 If Bader beats Lil' Nog decisively I would say he is better. Both fighters along with Phil Davis are the future of this division though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivalafrizank Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader has proven more to me then jones ATM' date=' he is fighting lil nog next for a reason.[/quote'] Really, how has he? I'm a lil'nog fan but what has lil'nog even done in the UFC to prove himself?? So whats it matter if he fights him... Jones is more hyped then Bader, but he did crush Hammil and Vera. Better then anything Bader has done so far. Jones > Bader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarwinDemoMan66 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Both are future champions/contenders at 205. Bader needs to work on his cardio. Bones may want to learn some straight up boxing or Muay Thai, you don't wanna rely on Unorthodox skills your whole career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLane Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Bader has been winning fights' date=' Jones have been annihilating people.Quite a difference, isn't it?[/quote'] ^his Striking, Grappling, Speed, Size, Agility all go to Bones Power to Bader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K22UFC Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Jones is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Jones is better. such a well thought out statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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