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Furiousmat

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well I'm not at all a pride fan and I usually like to see their remnants lose cuz it proves my point that PRIDE's calibre wasn't at UFC's level but in this specific case I have to say that I'd like to see Mirko win.

 

In all his interviews he's always very respectful and I think he looks like an amazing human being with no huge ego. He's bright and has done much for the sport. Mir is big and kinda good but lately he has done nothign good for this sport. He's arrogant and his public wish to see Brock die in the octagon certainly didn't serve MMA well. I was a Mir fan but more and more I think he's a ********* and I'll be rooting for Cro Cop... even though I really don't feel it...

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As much as I hate Mir... I'm going to have a little chuckle at the Pride fans when Mir destroys Crocop. Who are you guys trying to kid? Crocop is going to get embarrassed.

 

Cro Cop took this fight on short notice, and is coming into it with a serious injury.

 

What does it say about UFC fighters if CC KTFO's Frank Mir, despite those setbacks?

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All Mir has to do is pressure Cro Cop enough to have him backing up and Cro Cop can't throw power in his kicks when he has to worry about takedowns and backpeddeling

 

That's why all that Crocop has to do is close the distance with a variety of kickboxing combos, so Crocop does not backpeddle or worry about the takedown.

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All Mir has to do is pressure Cro Cop enough to have him backing up and Cro Cop can't throw power in his kicks when he has to worry about takedowns and backpeddeling

 

have u seen his fights...... the majority of his head kicks come from backpeddeling since the aggressor feels they are in control then he tricks them

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well I'm not at all a pride fan and I usually like to see their remnants lose cuz it proves my point that PRIDE's calibre wasn't at UFC's level but in this specific case I have to say that I'd like to see Mirko win.

 

In all his interviews he's always very respectful and I think he looks like an amazing human being with no huge ego. He's bright and has done much for the sport. Mir is big and kinda good but lately he has done nothign good for this sport. He's arrogant and his public wish to see Brock die in the octagon certainly didn't serve MMA well. I was a Mir fan but more and more I think he's a ********* and I'll be rooting for Cro Cop... even though I really don't feel it...

 

You honestly think that the UFC had higher quality fighters when Pride was still alive and kicking?

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Cro Cop took this fight on short notice' date=' and is coming into it with a serious injury.

 

What does it say about UFC fighters if CC KTFO's Frank Mir, despite those setbacks?[/quote']

 

omfg i can't believe i agree with this guy on this. further more if jds can't "destroy" cro cop, as you put it, i do not see mir doing it. i would love to see mir fight jds. the only advantage i think mir has over cro cop opposed to jds over cro cop is that mir has a solid ground game.

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Cro Cop took this fight on short notice' date=' and is coming into it with a serious injury.

 

What does it say about UFC fighters if CC KTFO's Frank Mir, despite those setbacks?[/quote']

lol excuses already huh?

 

Serious injury? He got poked in the eye and got cleared to fight.

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I'm not. I just asked the question. You going to answer it?
You asked a question based on a hypothetical scenario.

 

If Crocop beats Mir it proves nothing about UFC HW's in general... at best it will prove that Mir himself is either overrated, or inconsistent.

 

On the other hand, when Mir brutalizes Crocop, it will come as no surprise as it will be just another UFC HW destroying another overrated Pride HW as has happened to Crocop, Nog ect. since they've joined the UFC.

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If Cro Cop losing to Mir at 75%, is bad for Pride fighter's reputation..

 

Then what does it say about the UFC fighter's reputation if a 100% Mir, gets HL reel KO'd by a not even fully trained, blurred vision in 1 eye, 75% Mirko?

 

How I came to that number, I figure a short camp Mirko, who was vacationing prior to getting the call, will walk in about 85%. Since you want to call it a minor poke, I'll cut you some slack and dock only another 10% of his abilities. It will hinder his performance in his reaction time, depth perception, however minor you think the poke was, it will still be a factor.

 

Which is why this fight is tailored for Frank Mir. He was going to go in with his takedown gameplan, but if CC is having problems seeing, he may just exploit him on the feet, but still leaving CC weary of the takedown. Mir is confident in his hands nowadays, confident enough to test them against a K-1 level striker? We'll see.

 

If it's going to look bad for all the Pride fans, it's going to look 10x worse for all the UFC fans when some old washed up Pride fighter dismantles one of the UFC's prime top HW's.

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dana said cro cop is 100 percent

ffs

but it doesn't even matter ' date=' ,crocop is way past his prime,

mir is probably at his peak

 

 

 

mir will win

disagree? blowme[/quote']Crocop got KTFO by Gonzaga only six months after winning the Pride GP... his crowning career achievement.

 

I don't dispute he is now past his prime but the reality is even a prime Crocop couldn't beat Gonzaga... or Kongo. That should tell you something.

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If Cro Cop losing to Mir at 75%' date=' is bad for Pride fighter's reputation..

 

Then what does it say about the UFC fighter's reputation if a 100% Mir, gets HL reel KO'd by a not even fully trained, blurred vision in 1 eye, 75% Mirko?

 

How I came to that number, I figure a short camp Mirko, who was vacationing prior to getting the call, will walk in about 85%. Since you want to call it a minor poke, I'll cut you some slack and dock only another 10% of his abilities. It will hinder his performance in his reaction time, depth perception, however minor you think the poke was, it will still be a factor.

 

Which is why this fight is tailored for Frank Mir. He was going to go in with his takedown gameplan, but if CC is having problems seeing, he may just exploit him on the feet, but still leaving CC weary of the takedown. Mir is confident in his hands nowadays, confident enough to test them against a K-1 level striker? We'll see.

 

If it's going to look bad for all the Pride fans, it's going to look 10x worse for all the UFC fans when some old washed up Pride fighter dismantles one of the UFC's prime top HW's.[/quote']

 

nice.

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Crocop got KTFO by Gonzaga only six months after winning the Pride GP... his crowning career achievement.

 

I don't dispute he is now past his prime but the reality is even a prime Crocop couldn't beat Gonzaga... or Kongo. That should tell you something.

 

The Pride OWGP Mirko was one of the most focused and fearless fighter ever to enter combat.

 

If you want to sit there and say the Mirko that won the OWGP, was the one that showed up for the Gonzaga fight, you are a clown, and obviously new to the sport of MMA. Even in his fight prior to that against Eddie Sanchez, just a few months after the OWGP, it still wasn't the same Mirko.

 

Maybe the same physically but not mentally. The Pride OWGP was the pinnacle of Cro Cop's career. The absolute climax then a drastic drop off in competitive drive and spirit. The Cro Cop that won the Pride OWGP, achieved everything in that tournament. That was the tournament where his will to fight officially retired. Atleast that Mirko went out on top and actually won that tournament. Mirko is only hanging around for the paycheck at this point, but I think it's enough pay where it's worth it to him to go ahead and KTFO Frank Mir for talking **** with his no heart having ****.

 

Mirko Cro Cop by Brandon "The Truth" Vera'ing Frank Mir this Saturday night.

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If Cro Cop losing to Mir at 75%' date=' is bad for Pride fighter's reputation..

 

Then what does it say about the UFC fighter's reputation if a 100% Mir, gets HL reel KO'd by a not even fully trained, blurred vision in 1 eye, 75% Mirko?

 

How I came to that number, I figure a short camp Mirko, who was vacationing prior to getting the call, will walk in about 85%. Since you want to call it a minor poke, I'll cut you some slack and dock only another 10% of his abilities. It will hinder his performance in his reaction time, depth perception, however minor you think the poke was, it will still be a factor.

 

Which is why this fight is tailored for Frank Mir. He was going to go in with his takedown gameplan, but if CC is having problems seeing, he may just exploit him on the feet, but still leaving CC weary of the takedown. Mir is confident in his hands nowadays, confident enough to test them against a K-1 level striker? We'll see.

 

If it's going to look bad for all the Pride fans, it's going to look 10x worse for all the UFC fans when some old washed up Pride fighter dismantles one of the UFC's prime top HW's.[/quote'] For you to put % on the damage Crocop has sustained before the fight is absurd. You have no more info on it than anyone else. Crocop got poked in the eye and is cleared to fight. Dana said he's at 100%. Things happen before fights. Fighters get injured. In fact most do. If Crocop was dealing anything that would hinder his performance significantly he would not have been cleared to fight, nor would he have taken the fight. You're clearly making excuses as a crutch to fall back on should Crocop lose... or to have extra ammo to boast about should he win.

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The Pride OWGP Mirko was one of the most focused and fearless fighter ever to enter combat.

 

If you want to sit there and say the Mirko that won the OWGP' date=' was the one that showed up for the Gonzaga fight, you are a clown, and obviously new to the sport of MMA. Even in his fight prior to that against Eddie Sanchez, just a few months after the OWGP, it still wasn't the same Mirko.

 

Maybe the same physically but not mentally. The Pride OWGP was the pinnacle of Cro Cop's career. The absolute climax then a drastic drop off in competitive drive and spirit. The Cro Cop that won the Pride OWGP, achieved everything in that tournament. That was the tournament where his will to fight officially retired. Atleast that Mirko went out on top and actually won that tournament. Mirko is only hanging around for the paycheck at this point, but I think it's enough pay where it's worth it to him to go ahead and KTFO Frank Mir for talking **** with his no heart having ****.

 

Mirko Cro Cop by Brandon "The Truth" Vera'ing Frank Mir this Saturday night.[/quote']

 

Another owning.

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The Pride OWGP Mirko was one of the most focused and fearless fighter ever to enter combat.

 

If you want to sit there and say the Mirko that won the OWGP' date=' was the one that showed up for the Gonzaga fight, you are a clown, and obviously new to the sport of MMA. Even in his fight prior to that against Eddie Sanchez, just a few months after the OWGP, it still wasn't the same Mirko.

 

Maybe the same physically but not mentally. The Pride OWGP was the pinnacle of Cro Cop's career. The absolute climax then a drastic drop off in competitive drive and spirit. The Cro Cop that won the Pride OWGP, achieved everything in that tournament. That was the tournament where his will to fight officially retired. Atleast that Mirko went out on top and actually won that tournament. Mirko is only hanging around for the paycheck at this point, but I think it's enough pay where it's worth it to him to go ahead and KTFO Frank Mir for talking **** with his no heart having ****.

 

[b']Mirko Cro Cop by Brandon "The Truth" Vera'ing Frank Mir this Saturday night.[/b]

 

I can't wait for this to happen.

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The Pride OWGP Mirko was one of the most focused and fearless fighter ever to enter combat.

 

If you want to sit there and say the Mirko that won the OWGP' date=' was the one that showed up for the Gonzaga fight, you are a clown, and obviously new to the sport of MMA. Even in his fight prior to that against Eddie Sanchez, just a few months after the OWGP, it still wasn't the same Mirko.

 

Maybe the same physically but not mentally. The Pride OWGP was the pinnacle of Cro Cop's career. The absolute climax then a drastic drop off in competitive drive and spirit. The Cro Cop that won the Pride OWGP, achieved everything in that tournament. That was the tournament where his will to fight officially retired. Atleast that Mirko went out on top and actually won that tournament. Mirko is only hanging around for the paycheck at this point, but I think it's enough pay where it's worth it to him to go ahead and KTFO Frank Mir for talking **** with his no heart having ****.

 

Mirko Cro Cop by Brandon "The Truth" Vera'ing Frank Mir this Saturday night.[/quote']Your argument: Crocop mysteriously aged overnight, or suffered some sort of mental breakdown within the six months that he joined he the UFC from winning the Pride GP.

 

My argument: his level of competition rose and he couldn't deal with the change from a ring to an octagon.

 

Which seems more plausible?

 

Lets at the very least be honest with ourselves.

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Your argument: Crocop mysteriously aged overnight' date=' or suffered some sort of mental breakdown within the six months that he joined he the UFC from winning the Pride GP.

 

My argument: his level of competition rose and he couldn't deal with the change from a ring to an octagon.

 

Which seems more plausible?

 

Lets at the very least be honest with ourselves.[/quote']

 

Do you really think Mir is going to out strike Cro Cop?

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I think everyone lets they're hatred for Mir get in the way of logical thinking. I hate him for the ranting he did at Lesnar' date=' but i still think he will destroy CroCop[/quote']

 

I saw Randleman knock out a prime Crocop so I wouldn't be surprised.

 

Beware Mir's crazy knockout power, all TWO career knockouts compared to 63 in combat sports for Mirko.

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I said it before and I'll say it again.

 

Frank Mir couldn't perform a takedown if his life depended on it.

Mirko has some of the best TDD in MMA.

Frank Mir's striking is worse than Pat Barry.

Mirko just beat Barry in what was a stand up battle.

 

Cro Cop might be getting old and is not what he used to be, but he can still beat Mir. Even without a full training camp and an eye injury.

 

I don't know why I even try to argue with you SCO, every time it ends in the same manner.

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pride guys dont compete with UFC? haha so shogun' date=' anderson, wandy, mirko, both nogs, fedor, josh barnett, fabricio werdum, dan severn, rampage, dan henderson, ricardo arona, alistair overeem, and takanori gomi arent UFC caliber i forgot psh[/quote']

 

well lots of the guys you listed actually never were in the UFC or were cut from it. The only 3 fighters on that list who really perform in the UFC are shogun, anderson and wandy. Wandy doesn't dominate the UFC like he used to do in PRIDE, Shogun has 1 significant win in his whole UFC carreer and his overall UFC score is really unimpressive. The only one that really kicks the **** outta everyone is Anderson, and what PRIDE career did he have. Silva had a mediocre PRIDE carreer and was never a legend in that league. He's a UFC legend. He became the sharp fighter he is after PRIDE. Even then, he was good, but he learned a lot since then and is now a veteran. Silva in the UFC is 10X better than he was in PRIDE.

 

I find funny how Silva is often hated by the PRIDE lovers cuz of course, he's a UFC star, and not a PRIDE star. So even though he's accomplished a lot more than most PRIDE legends and has reached a higher skill level than them, lots of people wont accept to give him his due and keep calling him a scam or a fraud. But when it comes to debating of PRIDE's level vs UFC's, oh then now Silva fits in that picture... So much hypocrisy. You know damn well that Silva had about nothing to do with PRIDE.

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It's not that I'm a huge Cro Cop fan' date=' its that Frank Mir is really nothing special. You just try to hype him up so Brock's 1-1 record against him doesn't seem so pathetic.[/quote']Where did I say Mir was something special? Mir is a gatekeeper of the UFC HW division. He's a lower tier UFC HW who still beat the best HWs of Pride and will continue to do so.
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