Hyping Velasquez - the Bisping lesson

[GTech]

So Bisping and Velasquez have alot in common. They are both products of the UFC marketing machine, both used to target a specific demographic and both far worse fighters than their exposure and hype would indicate.

 

What they learned from Bisping though is not to kill the chances of a title shot before it actually happens. Cain instead was fed fighters he matched up well against, fighters he could easily outwrestle or outstrike, 1 dimensional fighters that he could take out of their element. If he had fought Mir, Carwin, JDS, hell even Crocop then no one would be talking about his chances against Brock, they would be talking about him moving to LHW to save his career.

 

Does anyone here think Bisping would have been marketed above his skill level if he wasnt british?

 

Does anyone really think that Cain would be getting his title shot already if he wasnt hispanic?

 

Face it, Cain is a mid level fighter who became the poster boy for the UFC's agressive hispanic marketing campaign.

 

What striker has his striking looked good against? Even decent?

 

What wrestler has his wrestling looked good against? Takedowns or defense?

 

I'm certainly not a Brock fan but he will expose the Great Brown Hype for what he is, a UFC marketing tool that half this forum seems to have fallen for.

[MysticKJ]

maybe he should lose before you crush his hype train...or put him in the same sentence as Bisping...

[TwinkleToesTommy]

BS, fail.

[GTech]

Yep thats about what Id expect from their fans, ignore the logic, ignore the questions posed, just continue with the hyperbole.

 

Bisping and Cain are grouped together because of the FACT that they were both marketed heavily to target a specific demographic.

 

Bring on the one line pointless retorts, they only serve to further illustrate my point that theres no substance behind the hype.

[Jeff83]

Brock Lesnar is going to murder Cain @ UFC 121.

 

I'll be there live for it.

[dumbkidsthesedays]

Yep thats about what Id expect from their fans' date=' ignore the logic, ignore the questions posed, just continue with the hyperbole.

 

Bisping and Cain are grouped together because of the FACT that they were both marketed heavily to target a specific demographic.

 

Bring on the one line pointless retorts, they only serve to further illustrate my point that theres no substance behind the hype.[/quote']

 

Well throughout his fights he has shown a lot of reason to be excited about his potential.

 

Although I do agree with you somewhat, you can't totally discredit him just yet. Sure the hype is huge but whether you believe the hype or not, neither side is correct until after his title shot.

[Nando_G]

His race has nothing to do with it. Roger Huerta is Hispanic & look where it got him. Don't discredit cans work. He wouldn't be where he is if all the **** you said is true.

[GTech]

His race has nothing to do with it. Roger Huerta is Hispanic & look where it got him. Don't discredit cans work. He wouldn't be where he is if all the **** you said is true.

 

I dont discredit the work of cans, they definitely got him to where he is today.

 

If Huerta was in the UFC when they started spanish broadcasts and aggressive marketing then he would be in line for a title shot too. I dont see how a fighter not in the ufc not receiving the same hype shows anything whatsoever.

[Nando_G]

I dont discredit the work of cans' date=' they definitely got him to where he is today.

 

If Huerta was in the UFC when they started spanish broadcasts and aggressive marketing then he would be in line for a title shot too. I dont see how a fighter not in the ufc not receiving the same hype shows anything whatsoever.[/quote']

 

Just your opinion

[SwiftSpear]

I think Cain has less holes in his game than Bisping does.

[GTech]

Just your opinion

 

No, they actually did start broadcasting in Spanish and marketing it aggressively, thats a fact.

 

If you think its coincidence that Cains hype started at the same time, well, thats just naive in my opinion.

 

Do you think it was a coincidence that Bisping received so much hype while they were trying to break into the UK market?

[Tim_A]

Totally agree. Cain hasnt done jack **** so far and Brock is gonna murder him.

 

Who has he beaten ?

 

Kongo? He got knocked down by every single punch Kongo threw and he looked like total dog **** in that fight. He only skated by because Kongo is so one dimensional Cain was able to wrestle him.

 

Ben Rothwell? LOL he got an early stoppage and couldnt even leave a bruise on Rothwell with his pillow fists. I am not impressed by getting a bad stoppage against a can.

 

And Nog? So what? Who hasnt TKO'd Nog lately? Nog was always over rated and now he's over the hill too. Nogs nothing but a punching bag, beating him proves nothing.

 

This isnt going to be a fight. Its going to be a massacre. Cain has nothing to offer in this fight that better fighters then him havent brought before and lost with.

[Nando_G]

No' date=' they actually did start broadcasting in Spanish and marketing it aggressively, thats a fact.

 

If you think its coincidence that Cains hype started at the same time, well, thats just naive in my opinion.

 

Do you think it was a coincidence that Bisping received so much hype while they were trying to break into the UK market?[/quote']

 

So in a way they're basically fixing fights by giving him easy people to defeat? hmmm....

[Junglebird]

Yep thats about what Id expect from their fans' date=' ignore the logic, ignore the questions posed, just continue with the hyperbole.

 

Bisping and Cain are grouped together because of the FACT that they were both marketed heavily to target a specific demographic.

 

Bring on the one line pointless retorts, they only serve to further illustrate my point that theres no substance behind the hype.[/quote']

 

Totally.

 

Just like Anderson Silva is aimed at the Brazilian Demographic.

Brock at the WWE Demographic

Carwin at the Good ol' American Demographic

BJ Penn at the Hawaiian Demographic

GSP at the Canadian demographic

Jon Jones at the "im a good boy" Demographic

Matt Hughes at the farm boy demographic

Shogun at the disabled Demographic

Machida at the asian Demographic

Faber at the surfer dude Demographic

 

All these fighters, despite their impressive records and achievements are just hype trains aimed at different ethnics. The UFC is nothing but a money making scammer's company. They only put on fights based on how much money they can make, regardless of how boring the fights always are. PRIDE was so much better, they had soccer kicks.

[Nando_G]

Totally.

 

Just like Anderson Silva is aimed at the Brazilian Demographic.

Brock at the WWE Demographic

Carwin at the Good ol' American Demographic

BJ Penn at the Hawaiian Demographic

GSP at the Canadian demographic

Jon Jones at the "im a good boy" Demographic

Matt Hughes at the farm boy demographic

Shogun at the disabled Demographic

Machida at the asian Demographic

Faber at the surfer dude Demographic

 

All these fighters' date=' despite their impressive records and achievements are just hype trains aimed at different ethnics. The UFC is nothing but a money making scammer's company. They only put on fights based on how much money they can make, regardless of how boring the fights always are. PRIDE was so much better, they had soccer kicks.[/quote']

 

^ what he said

[GTech]

Totally.

 

Just like Anderson Silva is aimed at the Brazilian Demographic.

Brock at the WWE Demographic

Carwin at the Good ol' American Demographic

BJ Penn at the Hawaiian Demographic

GSP at the Canadian demographic

Jon Jones at the "im a good boy" Demographic

Matt Hughes at the farm boy demographic

Shogun at the disabled Demographic

Machida at the asian Demographic

Faber at the surfer dude Demographic

 

All these fighters' date=' despite their impressive records and achievements are just [b']hype trains aimed at different ethnics[/b]. The UFC is nothing but a money making scammer's company. They only put on fights based on how much money they can make, regardless of how boring the fights always are. PRIDE was so much better, they had soccer kicks.

 

I think the bolded is enough to illustrate the stupidity behind this post...

 

You were right about Brock though, they definitely were targeting his WWE fans by giving him an easy road to his title shot.

 

I dont seem to recall the UFC making a large marketing push directed at canadians, hawaiians, brazilians, the disabled, asians, farm boys or anything else on your pointless list though.

[Juzie]

Terrible comparison.

[GTech]

Terrible comparison.

 

More inane replies with no substance, good job Cain fans, you still cant even answer the simple questions in the OP....

[Nando_G]

He'll probly come out to El Rey with a poncho & sombrero wearing huaraches on his feet. That will really reach out to the Hispanic community

[MysticKJ]

Totally.

 

Just like Anderson Silva is aimed at the Brazilian Demographic.

Brock at the WWE Demographic

Carwin at the Good ol' American Demographic

BJ Penn at the Hawaiian Demographic

GSP at the Canadian demographic

Jon Jones at the "im a good boy" Demographic

Matt Hughes at the farm boy demographic

Shogun at the disabled Demographic

Machida at the asian Demographic

Faber at the surfer dude Demographic

 

All these fighters' date=' despite their impressive records and achievements are just hype trains aimed at different ethnics. The UFC is nothing but a money making scammer's company. They only put on fights based on how much money they can make, regardless of how boring the fights always are. PRIDE was so much better, they had soccer kicks.[/quote']

 

lol...

[Junglebird]

More inane replies with no substance' date=' good job Cain fans, you still cant even answer the simple questions in the OP....[/quote']

 

to answer your question, Yes. The UFC is most likely hyping Cain for the Hispanic Demographic. I dont think he deserves the title shot over JDS, but oh well what are you gonna do? Not watch Brock vs Cain? Doubt it. Its probably gonna be a great fight regardless of how the UFC hypes certain fighters.

 

Also, try not to jump to conclusion about people's stand on Cain just because nobody is answering your question. I personally give him a good shot against brock. you never know whats gonna happen in MMA.

[GTech]

Cains time is running out. Enjoy it while it lasts!

 

P.S. DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE!! - Public Enemy.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6BJ3CvPLhs

[seXXXpac]

So Bisping and Velasquez have alot in common. They are both products of the UFC marketing machine' date=' both used to target a specific demographic and both far worse fighters than their exposure and hype would indicate.

 

What they learned from Bisping though is not to kill the chances of a title shot before it actually happens. Cain instead was fed fighters he matched up well against, fighters he could easily outwrestle or outstrike, 1 dimensional fighters that he could take out of their element. If he had fought Mir, Carwin, JDS, hell even Crocop then no one would be talking about his chances against Brock, they would be talking about him moving to LHW to save his career.

 

Does anyone here think Bisping would have been marketed above his skill level if he wasnt british?

 

Does anyone really think that Cain would be getting his title shot already if he wasnt hispanic?

 

Face it, Cain is a mid level fighter who became the poster boy for the UFC's agressive hispanic marketing campaign.

 

What striker has his striking looked good against? Even decent?

 

What wrestler has his wrestling looked good against? Takedowns or defense?

 

I'm certainly not a Brock fan but he will expose the Great Brown Hype for what he is, a UFC marketing tool that half this forum seems to have fallen for.[/quote']

 

How do you feel about Jon Jones?

[xImportantThreadsx]

lmao ur stupid, what Cain has done Bisping has not been close to doing it, every Cain fight has been extremely one-sided. He mandhandled ifl champ, manhandled Kongo, Made quick work of Nog no sweat broken. and the other nobodys he fought were also too easy. Bisping is ur example? what a dumaz

[xImportantThreadsx]

to answer your question' date=' Yes. The UFC is most likely hyping Cain for the Hispanic Demographic. I dont think he deserves the title shot over JDS, but oh well what are you gonna do? Not watch Brock vs Cain? Doubt it. Its probably gonna be a great fight regardless of how the UFC hypes certain fighters.

 

Also, try not to jump to conclusion about people's stand on Cain just because nobody is answering your question. I personally give him a good shot against brock. you never know whats gonna happen in MMA.[/quote']

 

i understand what you are saying, Cain is good for the ufc because of the hispanic community. but cain has done enough to be where he is, that is more than hype my friend.

[BlackChip]

Totally.

 

Just like Anderson Silva is aimed at the Brazilian Demographic.

Brock at the WWE Demographic

Carwin at the Good ol' American Demographic

BJ Penn at the Hawaiian Demographic

GSP at the Canadian demographic

Jon Jones at the "im a good boy" Demographic

Matt Hughes at the farm boy demographic

Shogun at the disabled Demographic

Machida at the asian Demographic

Faber at the surfer dude Demographic

 

All these fighters' date=' despite their impressive records and achievements are just hype trains aimed at different ethnics. The UFC is nothing but a money making scammer's company. They only put on fights based on how much money they can make, regardless of how boring the fights always are. PRIDE was so much better, they had soccer kicks.[/quote']

 

No way Shogun....... Are you forgetting Matt Hamill???

[silentson]

So Bisping and Velasquez have alot in common. They are both products of the UFC marketing machine' date=' both used to target a specific demographic and both far worse fighters than their exposure and hype would indicate.

 

What they learned from Bisping though is not to kill the chances of a title shot before it actually happens. Cain instead was fed fighters he matched up well against, fighters he could easily outwrestle or outstrike, 1 dimensional fighters that he could take out of their element. If he had fought Mir, Carwin, JDS, hell even Crocop then no one would be talking about his chances against Brock, they would be talking about him moving to LHW to save his career.

 

Does anyone here think Bisping would have been marketed above his skill level if he wasnt british?

 

Does anyone really think that Cain would be getting his title shot already if he wasnt hispanic?

 

Face it, Cain is a mid level fighter who became the poster boy for the UFC's agressive hispanic marketing campaign.

 

What striker has his striking looked good against? Even decent?

 

What wrestler has his wrestling looked good against? Takedowns or defense?

 

I'm certainly not a Brock fan but he will expose the Great Brown Hype for what he is, a UFC marketing tool that half this forum seems to have fallen for.[/quote']

Cain has beaten credible opponents to earn his place while Bisping had a long list of cans.

[BlackChip]

I think the bolded is enough to illustrate the stupidity behind this post...

 

You were right about Brock though' date=' they definitely were targeting his WWE fans by giving him an easy road to his title shot.

 

I dont seem to recall the UFC making a large marketing push directed at canadians, hawaiians, brazilians, the disabled, asians, farm boys or anything else on your pointless list though.[/quote']

Judging by your join date and low post count you can tell you only post well thought out

points. You are right on the money. Cain will get DESTROYED!!!

Keep 'em coming.

[otan]

So Bisping and Velasquez have alot in common. They are both products of the UFC marketing machine, both used to target a specific demographic and both far worse fighters than their exposure and hype would indicate.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Cain was never hyped like Bisping, Cain appeals to everyone except a few hates like you where Bisping only appealed to Brits.

 

What they learned from Bisping though is not to kill the chances of a title shot before it actually happens. Cain instead was fed fighters he matched up well against, fighters he could easily outwrestle or outstrike, 1 dimensional fighters that he could take out of their element. If he had fought Mir, Carwin, JDS, hell even Crocop then no one would be talking about his chances against Brock, they would be talking about him moving to LHW to save his career.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Bisping never got a title shot and clearly lost his first fight vs Hamil, Cain never lost. Cain fought everyone they gave him how do you know he can't beat Mir Carwin, JDS or Brock? Fact is MMA insiders has being calling Cain the best HW for a while now , what makes you think you know more?

 

Does anyone here think Bisping would have been marketed above his skill level if he wasnt british?

>>>>>

no

 

Does anyone really think that Cain would be getting his title shot already if he wasnt hispanic?

>>>>>>>>>>

Cain earned his title shot and I'm not hispanic. If not Cain then who?

 

Face it, Cain is a mid level fighter who became the poster boy for the UFC's agressive hispanic marketing campaign.

 

I'm certainly not a Brock fan but he will expose the Great Brown Hype for what he is, a UFC marketing tool that half this forum seems to have fallen for.

>>>

Funny thing is only the haters keep bring up the fact Cain is Brown ... Seems you are blinded by his color rather than the rest of us buying into a hype.

[GTech]

lmao ur stupid' date=' what Cain has done Bisping has not been close to doing it, every Cain fight has been extremely one-sided. He mandhandled ifl champ, manhandled Kongo, Made quick work of Nog no sweat broken. and the other nobodys he fought were also too easy. Bisping is ur example? what a dumaz[/quote']

 

Actually I didnt compare their achievements in the UFC, I compared their inordinate amount of promotion and hype. I said that Bisping had faced tougher competition and as a result never got the title shot that they wanted for him.

 

I agree that Cain has done better. I would not agree that all his fights have been extremely one sided. Kongo demolished him standing and holding Kongo down for 3 rounds is something that any decent HW wrestler could do and probably alot of LHW wrestlers.

 

As to some of the other posts - Jon Jones. Now this kid impresses the hell out of me. His fights are extremely one sided. He has outstruck some decent strikers and outwrestled some damn good wrestlers. He has good skills, amazing physical gifts and a killer instinct. He is definitely young and somewhat inexperienced, I could see him getting submitted at this stage in his career.

 

Who should have gotten the title shot? No question that JDS has faced stiffer competition and performed better than Cain. He should have been first in line, or else they should have squared off to see who got the first shot.

 

I also have to ask once more...

 

What striker has Cains striking looked good against?

 

What wrestler has Cains wrestling looked good against?

 

 

EDIT: The only reason I call Cain the "Great Brown Hype" is because of the brown pride tattoo... I think he brought color into it first, dont you?

[UFCITOLDUSO]

The OP's point is well taken, but still sounds like he misunderestimates CV.

 

I'm not suggesting he is deserving of a title shot with only a win over an iffy Big Nog.

 

CV vs. JDS would've been the perfect TC eliminator, BUT FOR, the reason mentioned by the OP. In this he is spot on.

 

 

Totally.

 

Just like Anderson Silva is aimed at the Brazilian Demographic.

Brock at the WWE Demographic

Carwin at the Good ol' American Demographic

BJ Penn at the Hawaiian Demographic

GSP at the Canadian demographic

Jon Jones at the "im a good boy" Demographic

Matt Hughes at the farm boy demographic

Shogun at the disabled Demographic

Machida at the asian Demographic

Faber at the surfer dude Demographic

 

All these fighters' date=' despite their impressive records and achievements are just hype trains aimed at different ethnics. The UFC is nothing but a money making scammer's company. They only put on fights based on how much money they can make, regardless of how boring the fights always are. PRIDE was so much better, they had soccer kicks.[/quote']

 

Some funny stuff.

 

But the fighters mentioned above have "stood out" in their divs. Cain's record doesn't compare.

 

He'll probly come out to El Rey with a poncho & sombrero wearing huaraches on his feet. That will really reach out to the Hispanic community

 

Will- 'La Cucaracha' be his walkout song also?

[Martino231]

I disagree with the whole notion that Bisping was overhyped by the UFC. I agree that they deliberately fed him weaker fighters for a while to pad his record, but I think the overhyping was done by the fans.

 

I'm a Brit and I'll admit that when I see a British fighter in the UFC, I automatically want him to do well, unless he acts in a way that really makes me dislike him (McSweeney). I consider myself to be a realistic fan of the sport, but I know that the majority of British fans would agree with me when I say I want the British fighters to succeed, and it's for that reason that we see a lot of discussion about some of the lower level British guys, when the American and Brazilian fighters of that level don't ever get mentioned. And it only takes a few optimistic and slightly delusional fans to big a fighter up and lead him to become overhyped or overrated. Of course I blame the UFC a little bit for padding his record, but I wouldn't blame them for "over hyping" him.

 

I also disagree that he's hugely overrated as a fighter. I see some of the Bisping haters around this forum talking about how he shouldn't be in the UFC, how he isn't even a top 20 fighter and it just mystifies me. At the end of the day, the guy has beaten a few tough guys and lost two tight decisions to two top fighters in Rashad and Wandy. Sure, he got KTFO by Hendo, but lots of good fighters have had their asses handed to them by Hendo.

 

Bisping is somewhat of an anomaly in the MMA world. Overrated by some, underrated by others, and in all honesty I think Cain could turn out to be exactly the same.

[GMB]

Yep thats about what Id expect from their fans' date=' ignore the logic, ignore the questions posed, just continue with the hyperbole.

 

Bisping and Cain are grouped together because of the FACT that they were both marketed heavily to target a specific demographic.

 

Bring on the one line pointless retorts, they only serve to further illustrate my point that theres no substance behind the hype.[/quote']

 

If you don't think Cain has a chance against Brock, you must not have seen Brock's last fight.

[GTech]

If you don't think Cain has a chance against Brock' date=' you must not have seen Brock's last fight.[/quote']

 

I saw Brock take a beating from one of the hardest HW hitters and still come out smiling and win the fight. What fight did you watch that makes you think someone with far less power will fare better?

[GMB]

I saw Brock take a beating from one of the hardest HW hitters and still come out smiling and win the fight. What fight did you watch that makes you think someone with far less power will fare better?

 

Cain's striking is superior to Brock, and Cain wont gas the way Carwin did. Cain also has skill in wrestling. I honestly think Brock will win the fight, but I wont be that surprised if Cain wins.

[Martino231]

Cain's striking is superior to Brock' date=' and Cain wont gas the way Carwin did. Cain also has skill in wrestling. I honestly think Brock will win the fight, but I wont be that surprised if Cain wins.[/quote']

 

I believe that Cain is a more talented fighter than Brock and Shane. However, it's the sheer size difference which makes me write him off. All the wrestling training in the world won't help you stop a takedown from a wrestler with Brock's credentials who is 40-50 pounds heavier than you.

[GMB]

I believe that Cain is a more talented fighter than Brock and Shane. However' date=' it's the sheer size difference which makes me write him off. All the wrestling training in the world won't help you stop a takedown from a wrestler with Brock's credentials who is 40-50 pounds heavier than you.[/quote']

 

Randy did it. Not saying Cain's wrestling is on that level, but he is also larger than Randy. I think most people aren't giving Cain enough of a chance in this matchup.

[NickTF]

The OP is dead nutz on. Kudos to you sir for an excellent thread imho. Cain has shown some good stuff but nothing spectacular against anyone that super dangerous or nothing other than a good match up for Cain. Alot more will be said about Cain in this fight win lose or draw then Lesnar imho as this will be the first time he faces a really good wrestler. Who knows about the standup. Sure, Cain has shown better standup against Rothwell and Nog but.........so what that's not saying a whole lot.

 

Why anyone thinks Cain will be able to do what Carwin did is way beyond me. Yeah he has more gas in the tank against fighters he's faced but he lacks the power Carwin does (Stevie Wonder needs a partner if you think differently) and hasn't been pushed like he will be come October.

[MrKobayashi]

So Bisping and Velasquez have alot in common. They are both products of the UFC marketing machine' date=' both used to target a specific demographic and both far worse fighters than their exposure and hype would indicate.

 

What they learned from Bisping though is not to kill the chances of a title shot before it actually happens. Cain instead was fed fighters he matched up well against, fighters he could easily outwrestle or outstrike, 1 dimensional fighters that he could take out of their element. If he had fought Mir, Carwin, JDS, hell even Crocop then no one would be talking about his chances against Brock, they would be talking about him moving to LHW to save his career.

 

Does anyone here think Bisping would have been marketed above his skill level if he wasnt british?

 

Does anyone really think that Cain would be getting his title shot already if he wasnt hispanic?

 

Face it, Cain is a mid level fighter who became the poster boy for the UFC's agressive hispanic marketing campaign.

 

What striker has his striking looked good against? Even decent?

 

What wrestler has his wrestling looked good against? Takedowns or defense?

 

I'm certainly not a Brock fan but he will expose the Great Brown Hype for what he is, a UFC marketing tool that half this forum seems to have fallen for.[/quote']

 

1) Bisping was not all that hyped he just has a big mouth

 

2) So half of this forum isn't blinded by ethnicity and like an underdog.

 

3) Kongo, Rothwell, Nog, they are not what you would call slouches in the striking game.

 

4) Hasn't faced a lot of wrestlers in UFC YET. Check out his NCAA credentials.

 

5) Here's an extra one for you.. JDS has not fought Cain, Mir or Carwin either, he is getting a title shot as well, please go on a rant about this.

 

It is obvious that you REALLY REALLY dislike Cain. Maybe not just because of his hype, but on a deeper level.

Please keep in mind..Cain was supposed to fight Carwin. He would have fought Carwin or anyone else in HW at the time..It just didn't work out.

You are very intent on blaming Cain for the position he is in.

Perhaps you would be satisfied if there was no face for the hispanic community in the UFC. Know it or not, you are the one making ethnicity an issue..Cain is just fighting.

[Tim_A]

Randy did it. Not saying Cain's wrestling is on that level' date=' but he is also larger than Randy. I think most people aren't giving Cain enough of a chance in this matchup.[/quote']

 

Randy DID NOT do it. Go re-watch that fight. Randy spent a lot of it flat on his back. Blocking a single takedown or two does not win you the fight against a wrestler like Brock. If you block one, he goes again, and if you block that, he goes again. Because thats what good wrestlers do. They go again and again and again for the whole fight and never get tired.

 

The lesson you should have learned from watching the Randy fight is that blocking one or two takedowns means jack **** against Lesnar. Because he only needs to get 1. 1 for 1 or 1 out of 10, once he gets that 1.... your done.

[StephenColbert]

I think Cain has less holes in his game than Bisping does.

 

Bisping really doesn't have holes in his game he's just not that good.

[Tim_A]

1) Bisping was not all that hyped he just has a big mouth

 

2) So half of this forum isn't blinded by ethnicity and like an underdog.

 

3) Kongo' date=' Rothwell, Nog, they are not what you would call slouches in the striking game.

 

4) Hasn't faced a lot of wrestlers in UFC YET. Check out his NCAA credentials.

 

5) Here's an extra one for you.. JDS has not fought Cain, Mir or Carwin either, he is getting a title shot as well, please go on a rant about this.

 

It is obvious that you REALLY REALLY dislike Cain. Maybe not just because of his hype, but on a deeper level.

Please keep in mind..Cain was supposed to fight Carwin. He would have fought Carwin or anyone else in HW at the time..It just didn't work out.

You are very intent on blaming Cain for the position he is in.

Perhaps you would be satisfied if there was no face for the hispanic community in the UFC. Know it or not, you are the one making ethnicity an issue..Cain is just fighting.[/quote']

 

There were Hispanics in the UFC long before Cain. Get off the bandwagon and quit ignorantly race baiting.

[OranJuice]

Dude. You're right. It has absolutely nothing to do with him being undefeated and steamrolling everyone that he has fought....... lol

 

Also, who deserves the shot more? JDS? He's next, he just started KOing people after Cain was already on the doorstep to his shot. And, Oh Yea, HE'S LATINO TOO!!!! You dumb ****.

[FraleyA]

So Bisping and Velasquez have alot in common. They are both products of the UFC marketing machine' date=' both used to target a specific demographic and both far worse fighters than their exposure and hype would indicate.

 

What they learned from Bisping though is not to kill the chances of a title shot before it actually happens. Cain instead was fed fighters he matched up well against, fighters he could easily outwrestle or outstrike, 1 dimensional fighters that he could take out of their element. If he had fought Mir, Carwin, JDS, hell even Crocop then no one would be talking about his chances against Brock, they would be talking about him moving to LHW to save his career.

 

Does anyone here think Bisping would have been marketed above his skill level if he wasnt british?

 

Does anyone really think that Cain would be getting his title shot already if he wasnt hispanic?

 

Face it, Cain is a mid level fighter who became the poster boy for the UFC's agressive hispanic marketing campaign.

 

What striker has his striking looked good against? Even decent?

 

What wrestler has his wrestling looked good against? Takedowns or defense?

 

I'm certainly not a Brock fan but he will expose the Great Brown Hype for what he is, a UFC marketing tool that half this forum seems to have fallen for.[/quote']

 

It sounds like your not a fan of anybody...

[alliedwarior]

So Bisping and Velasquez have alot in common. They are both products of the UFC marketing machine' date=' both used to target a specific demographic and both far worse fighters than their exposure and hype would indicate.

 

What they learned from Bisping though is not to kill the chances of a title shot before it actually happens. Cain instead was fed fighters he matched up well against, fighters he could easily outwrestle or outstrike, 1 dimensional fighters that he could take out of their element. If he had fought Mir, Carwin, JDS, hell even Crocop then no one would be talking about his chances against Brock, they would be talking about him moving to LHW to save his career.

 

Does anyone here think Bisping would have been marketed above his skill level if he wasnt british?

 

Does anyone really think that Cain would be getting his title shot already if he wasnt hispanic?

 

Face it, Cain is a mid level fighter who became the poster boy for the UFC's agressive hispanic marketing campaign.

 

What striker has his striking looked good against? Even decent?

 

What wrestler has his wrestling looked good against? Takedowns or defense?

 

I'm certainly not a Brock fan but he will expose the Great Brown Hype for what he is, a UFC marketing tool that half this forum seems to have fallen for.[/quote']

 

your 100% right.

[alliedwarior]

Dude. You're right. It has absolutely nothing to do with him being undefeated and steamrolling everyone that he has fought....... lol

 

Also' date=' who deserves the shot more? JDS? He's next, he just started KOing people after Cain was already on the doorstep to his shot. And, Oh Yea, HE'S LATINO TOO!!!! You dumb ****.[/quote']

 

JDS isnt latino....

 

and he was KO'n big names since he got to the UFC he when he KO'd Werdum Cain was only 4-0 with wins over Brad Morris and Jake Obrien.

 

both are 6-0 in the UFC with 5 finishes but look at who they finished and how impressive it was, besides Nog (whos chin is pretty much gone) Cain has nothing title shot worthy.

[silentson]

Randy DID NOT do it. Go re-watch that fight. Randy spent a lot of it flat on his back. Blocking a single takedown or two does not win you the fight against a wrestler like Brock. If you block one' date=' he goes again, and if you block that, he goes again. Because thats what good wrestlers do. They go again and again and again for the whole fight and never get tired.

 

The lesson you should have learned from watching the Randy fight is that blocking one or two takedowns means jack **** against Lesnar. Because he only needs to get 1. 1 for 1 or 1 out of 10, once he gets that 1.... your done.[/quote']

 

Except he didn't win with a take down, he won with a punch. Your argument fails,

[MrKobayashi]

JDS isnt latino....

 

and he was KO'n big names since he got to the UFC he when he KO'd Werdum Cain was only 4-0 with wins over Brad Morris and Jake Obrien.

 

both are 6-0 in the UFC with 5 finishes but look at who they finished and how impressive it was' date=' besides Nog (whos chin is pretty much gone) Cain has nothing title shot worthy.[/quote']

 

 

JDS is Latino.

Sorry man your'e wrong.

[Roebusto]

So Big Nog is a can?

[GoToGuy]

JDS is Latino.

Sorry man your'e wrong.

 

http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Junior_Dos_Santos

JDS is Brazilian dude.