Shane Carwin..Truth Begins to Come out..

[NmyBlood]

QUOTE=dfwGSP;1122980]I'm gonna need some proof on Carwin before I condemn him.

 

Shane Carwin = 6'1 265lbs.

End of Story..Your "Proof".

 

He's the Great hype machine that failed.

They used to post him at "6'5" on the Ufc stat page.

Then 6'3'.

Now 6'2..which is still giving him 1/2 an inch lift.

 

Even with his 35lbs of Jelly on him..he's at best 6'1 230lbs.

Even at that size the man has Clearly taken "enhancement"..aids.

 

I am 6'1 185lbs.

When I lean up I walk around at 175lbs & that is still at 10-12% body fat.

Rather Low but nowhere near as low as someone like Rich Franklin who gets as low as 4% Body Fat.

 

Rich btw is a True 6'2, fights at 205 & walks around at about 220.

 

When I am not training I go as high as 20% body fat & then walk around at around 190-195lbs.

 

So let's give hime a larger frame than me (bones).

Shall we add..15 lbs?

a Tad much for just a frame but let's go with that to finish this Scenario.

 

So a Lean Carwin..could be as low as 190lbs.

Now we see he likes the sugar treats by his Ovally challenged mid section.

So let's say he is Never Lean.

add 15lbs (damn bone density) to my weight at a higher body weight of 190 lbs..putting him at 205..for his version of lean.

 

Now I like to stay lean & not bulk up..so let's give Carwin another say 25 lbs of Lean Muscle mass over me..that is quite a bit but..can be done.

 

Example..it has taken GSP a Lean fighter almost 1 year to put on & maintain a Lean 8 lbs of muscle.

 

So now we have a Shane Carwin at about 230lbs.

Still from his last fight against Lesnar at 265lbs..35 lbs Under wieght~!~

 

That is a staggering difference.

Try training at even a moderate level & Gain 35lbs of fat at the same time.

You'd have to eat 5,000 calories a day..just to gain just under 2lbs per day & you'd have to eat that every single day without break to keep it on.

 

Ain't happenin.

We all saw his Cardio was shi@.

 

So attribute that to the already 35lbs of body fat he carries around with him.

We also know Muscle heads gas out much quicker because of the demands on the body to feed itself.

 

Look at Forrest Griffin.

6'3 220ish Lean as fu#$~!~

 

Far more muscle on him than Carwin.

No, Muscle does Not have to be bulked up to hold weight.

Muscle lean compared to body fat weighs more.

 

When out of shape up to as high as 235lbs.

 

Countless examples of Fighters Bigger than Carwin who are nowhere near his numbers.

 

Another example is Brock Lesnar as a "comedic wrestler"....(wwe).

The guy was at 330lbs & lean.

Yes, Brock to has done the "enhancement aids".

Before Brocks Reality check he cut from 280lbs down to 265lbs.

 

Even at 280lbs he was 50lbs less than what he "acted" at.

Now.

He says he doesn't even Cut weight.

He's at 265lb lean without about 15lbs of body fat.

A small amount for a Man his heigth.

 

He had to put 30 lbs back on just to get back up to 265 after he got Ill.

That means Brock "Freak Of Nature" Lesnar was down to 235lbs at a true 6'3 & Massive Frame...one much larger than Carwins.

 

Just Look at their shoulder base standing next to one another.

So now Brock is fighting 80lbs or so under what he "wrestled in wwe" at.

Ouch.

 

I'm certain that's natural though.

(cough)..horsesh&^.

 

Look it's just the way it is people.

Athletes at this level in order to put the size & look of a "heavyweight"..on.."enhance" in anyway they can.

 

It's the fools that go to the roids anymore when there are so many "Legal" ways to put on size anymore.

 

Thats Struve guy..is what 6'10 reportedly?

Yet..he fights at 245lbs?

ha~fu*~!~

 

He is lean yes.

But..a bean pole?...hardly.

 

He is nearly 1 foot taller than Shane Carwin.

 

Shane has the power of a heavywieght in his hands..but he is a LHW..who refuses to be disciplined in his diet.

 

It's ok.

He can beat a lot of fighters at HW.

But he will never hold the belt..even if he doesn't get Suspended for 1 year like sherk did for "illegal performance enhancement)..what a f'n joke..to call it that.

 

JDS..

that is the future of the Heavyweight division.

If Jones should ever step up to heavyweight which he could do easily.

JDS..should welcome him.

He (Jones) would quickly change his mind.

 

Even Cain..fights at around 240 with 15lbs of belly fat & taller than Carwin.

 

Mir is finally realizing the difference between heavyweights & fighters that could & Should..be at LHW & letting his body take on natural form.

 

I do expect the Ufc to go to lengths to protect truth of Carwins use..since he has some "Juice"..no pun intended behind him after losing to Lesnar.

 

a Fight I'd love to see is Vitor Belfort Vs Shane Carwin.

That would show exactly where Carwin should be.

 

Note..

 

I was at 117 & watched Roy Nelson take shot after shot from JDS.

That Man regardless of his 60lbs of Jelly Belly..has more heart & Stamina than almost anyone in the heavyweight division & I'd love to see him against Carwin.

 

Carwin punches hard..but is Not a HW.

The Sooner he embraces that..he may have a career in the ufc for more than another year or two.

 

If not..

he has already began sliding down the Proverbial "Mountain".

We all know what happens when Chubby is sliding down that Mountain..

we Run the F..away.

 

In other words..

Lose Interest.

[TKDTKD1406050937]

^

 

you have miserably failed at generating interest in whatever it is that you are trying to say

[BadSquire]

Wanna see a WWE vs UFC comparison video of Brock?

 

The two "power-houses" of the UFC took steroids.

[Furiousmat]

I couldn't read it all.. Understand me. I don't have any problem with long posts. But when it's all crap I find it hard to read til the end. First I saw you make a link between some guy,s weight and his height.. that is ridiculous.. A lean and tall guy can be very light compared to a short and compact guy. Carwin is kinda tall AND compact and bulked.

 

Then.. Carwin did not put 35 lbs of fat he put onmuscle and he wasn't 230 before he did so.. He was heavier than that. If you're 6,1 and 185 you're kinda lean. But I doubt that you trian as much as Carwin does and follow a diet that is as strict as he does so your fat % is probly wayyy higher than his. And fat has lower density than muscles. So you can look larger but if you're limp you're still lighter. According to the fact that you say you can reach fat % as high as 20% well... yeah.. Carwin surely isn't close to 20% body fat when he walks in the octagon.

 

Also Carwin did put weight kinda quickly but he obviously is a guy who naturaly easily gains weight. Add to that protein shakes and a rich diet, + mass gaining training every day for months, it is very possible. Now.. did he use steroids? I don't know, but I,m sure I will. Nothing you said (at least in the first part) is close to coherent and to be any sort of proof. The fat that you weight 185 and are as tall is just not an argument...

 

So.... in conclusion, I hope this thread was a joke cuz it's very retarded.

[OranJuice]

I've seen a lot of incoherent rants on this forum...

 

This one is Top 5

[Furiousmat]

I've seen a lot of incoherent rants on this forum...

 

This one is Top 5

 

I say top 3...

[CarlLane]

I've seen a lot of incoherent rants on this forum...

 

This one is Top 5

 

source on Brock? ohhhh that's right you don't have one

[PaulMitchell]

1st off, yeah, he may of done steroids. Does he do them now? I doubt it, since the AC makes the UFC test there fighters.

Secondly, holy ****, nowhere in that piss poor post did you make a single relevant statement. You say because how much you weigh, or other people weigh, theres no way someone could weigh what Carwin weighs without the use of steroids.

 

Also, if you look at a timeline of pictures from Carwin pre UFC to now, there is an obvious difference. BUT, Shane Carwin has been strength training since he was in highschool, so saying that its impossible to get that size is absurd.

 

AND!! you said in your own post that there are legal ways to put on muscle mass, but you just assume that this is out of the question in Shane Carwins case. All it takes is consuming ALOT of calories and protein every day. We all saw that Carwin does not train for endurance, he trains for strength and size, which would explain his STRENGTH AND SIZE and lack of endurance.

 

Do I believe he did steroids? Im not sure. because unlike you I cant say that since most people arent that big, noones that big.

 

BUT, he was probably on steroids, and maybe still is today. You just didnt make any sound points, especially considering you started your post with "proof that hes on steroids" None of that was proof, they were observations.

 

I will end this **** of a rant by saying, your probably right. hell, maybe even spot on. But I do not agree with you assuming you know something you surely do not.

 

I hope I didnt offend you in any way, but thats what you get for making me read such a large post.

[dfwGSP]

QUOTE=dfwGSP;1122980]I'm gonna need some proof on Carwin before I condemn him.

 

Shane Carwin = 6'1 265lbs.

End of Story..Your "Proof".

 

He's the Great hype machine that failed.

They used to post him at "6'5" on the Ufc stat page.

Then 6'3'.

Now 6'2..which is still giving him 1/2 an inch lift.

 

Even with his 35lbs of Jelly on him..he's at best 6'1 230lbs.

Even at that size the man has Clearly taken "enhancement"..aids.

 

I am 6'1 185lbs.

When I lean up I walk around at 175lbs & that is still at 10-12% body fat.

Rather Low but nowhere near as low as someone like Rich Franklin who gets as low as 4% Body Fat.

 

Rich btw is a True 6'2' date=' fights at 205 & walks around at about 220.

 

When I am not training I go as high as 20% body fat & then walk around at around 190-195lbs.

 

So let's give hime a larger frame than me (bones).

Shall we add..15 lbs?

a Tad much for just a frame but let's go with that to finish this Scenario.

 

So a Lean Carwin..could be as low as 190lbs.

Now we see he likes the sugar treats by his Ovally challenged mid section.

So let's say he is Never Lean.

add 15lbs (damn bone density) to my weight at a higher body weight of 190 lbs..putting him at 205..for his version of lean.

 

Now I like to stay lean & not bulk up..so let's give Carwin another say 25 lbs of Lean Muscle mass over me..that is quite a bit but..can be done.

 

Example..it has taken GSP a Lean fighter almost 1 year to put on & maintain a Lean 8 lbs of muscle.

 

So now we have a Shane Carwin at about 230lbs.

Still from his last fight against Lesnar at 265lbs..35 lbs Under wieght~!~

 

That is a staggering difference.

Try training at even a moderate level & Gain 35lbs of fat at the same time.

You'd have to eat 5,000 calories a day..just to gain just under 2lbs per day & you'd have to eat that every single day without break to keep it on.

 

Ain't happenin.

We all saw his Cardio was shi@.

 

So attribute that to the already 35lbs of body fat he carries around with him.

We also know Muscle heads gas out much quicker because of the demands on the body to feed itself.

 

Look at Forrest Griffin.

6'3 220ish Lean as fu#$~!~

 

Far more muscle on him than Carwin.

No, Muscle does Not have to be bulked up to hold weight.

Muscle lean compared to body fat weighs more.

 

When out of shape up to as high as 235lbs.

 

Countless examples of Fighters Bigger than Carwin who are nowhere near his numbers.

 

Another example is Brock Lesnar as a "comedic wrestler"....(wwe).

The guy was at 330lbs & lean.

Yes, Brock to has done the "enhancement aids".

Before Brocks Reality check he cut from 280lbs down to 265lbs.

 

Even at 280lbs he was 50lbs less than what he "acted" at.

Now.

He says he doesn't even Cut weight.

He's at 265lb lean without about 15lbs of body fat.

A small amount for a Man his heigth.

 

He had to put 30 lbs back on just to get back up to 265 after he got Ill.

That means Brock "Freak Of Nature" Lesnar was down to 235lbs at a true 6'3 & Massive Frame...one much larger than Carwins.

 

Just Look at their shoulder base standing next to one another.

So now Brock is fighting 80lbs or so under what he "wrestled in wwe" at.

Ouch.

 

I'm certain that's natural though.

(cough)..horsesh&^.

 

Look it's just the way it is people.

Athletes at this level in order to put the size & look of a "heavyweight"..on.."enhance" in anyway they can.

 

It's the fools that go to the roids anymore when there are so many "Legal" ways to put on size anymore.

 

Thats Struve guy..is what 6'10 reportedly?

Yet..he fights at 245lbs?

ha~fu*~!~

 

He is lean yes.

But..a bean pole?...hardly.

 

He is nearly 1 foot taller than Shane Carwin.

 

Shane has the power of a heavywieght in his hands..but he is a LHW..who refuses to be disciplined in his diet.

 

It's ok.

He can beat a lot of fighters at HW.

But he will never hold the belt..even if he doesn't get Suspended for 1 year like sherk did for "illegal performance enhancement)..what a f'n joke..to call it that.

 

JDS..

that is the future of the Heavyweight division.

If Jones should ever step up to heavyweight which he could do easily.

JDS..should welcome him.

He (Jones) would quickly change his mind.

 

Even Cain..fights at around 240 with 15lbs of belly fat & taller than Carwin.

 

Mir is finally realizing the difference between heavyweights & fighters that could & Should..be at LHW & letting his body take on natural form.

 

I do expect the Ufc to go to lengths to protect truth of Carwins use..since he has some "Juice"..no pun intended behind him after losing to Lesnar.

 

a Fight I'd love to see is Vitor Belfort Vs Shane Carwin.

That would show exactly where Carwin should be.

 

Note..

 

I was at 117 & watched Roy Nelson take shot after shot from JDS.

That Man regardless of his 60lbs of Jelly Belly..has more heart & Stamina than almost anyone in the heavyweight division & I'd love to see him against Carwin.

 

Carwin punches hard..but is Not a HW.

The Sooner he embraces that..he may have a career in the ufc for more than another year or two.

 

If not..

he has already began sliding down the Proverbial "Mountain".

We all know what happens when Chubby is sliding down that Mountain..

we Run the F..away.

 

In other words..

Lose Interest.[/quote']

 

I only said that about the proof because I had yet to see the article about Carwin and steroids. However, being 6'1" and 265 lbs is hardly proof, and you have yet to cite any sources. This is only proof that you are heavily misinformed.

[NmyBlood]

I couldn't read it all.. Understand me. I don't have any problem with long posts. But when it's all crap I find it hard to read til the end. First I saw you make a link between some guy' date='s weight and his height.. that is ridiculous.. A lean and tall guy can be very light compared to a short and compact guy. Carwin is kinda tall AND compact and bulked.

 

Then.. Carwin did not put 35 lbs of fat he put onmuscle and he wasn't 230 before he did so.. He was heavier than that. If you're 6,1 and 185 you're kinda lean. But I doubt that you trian as much as Carwin does and follow a diet that is as strict as he does so your fat % is probly wayyy higher than his. And fat has lower density than muscles. So you can look larger but if you're limp you're still lighter. According to the fact that you say you can reach fat % as high as 20% well... yeah.. Carwin surely isn't close to 20% body fat when he walks in the octagon.

 

Also Carwin did put weight kinda quickly but he obviously is a guy who naturaly easily gains weight. Add to that protein shakes and a rich diet, + mass gaining training every day for months, it is very possible. Now.. did he use steroids? I don't know, but I,m sure I will. Nothing you said (at least in the first part) is close to coherent and to be any sort of proof. The fat that you weight 185 and are as tall is just not an argument...

 

So.... in conclusion, I hope this thread was a joke cuz it's very retarded.[/quote']

 

 

 

 

Oh dear..

Son..

don't be so emotional.

Numbers do NOT lie.

 

Look at Carwins fighting weight for all of his Ufc fights.

He struggled to get to 255 until the lesnar fight.

 

Look at other fighters his size or bigger. This "Stocky" thang is just another way of saying "fat"..come on now..be honest with yourself.

 

Again the numbers do Not lie.

 

Also..I know most people do not want to be honest with themselves about how much fat they carry but I promise you to say Carwin carries 30lbs of body fat..is Generous to him.

 

Again look at fighters his size or much larger in Everyway.

He just likes his ice cream a bit much.

 

The Post is only a "Rant" & or "failed" to those unwilling to look at "Facts" Numbers.

I know.

If you did that..it would mean having a lot of your theories shattered.

 

It's ok keep them.

But..

Truth will Always come out.

In this case the truth is..Shane Carwin is not the next "Big Thing" in the heavyweight division.

 

But his Belly has potential to be.

[PaulMitchell]

I couldn't read it all.. Understand me. I don't have any problem with long posts. But when it's all crap I find it hard to read til the end. First I saw you make a link between some guy' date='s weight and his height.. that is ridiculous.. A lean and tall guy can be very light compared to a short and compact guy. Carwin is kinda tall AND compact and bulked.

 

Then.. Carwin did not put 35 lbs of fat he put onmuscle and he wasn't 230 before he did so.. He was heavier than that. If you're 6,1 and 185 you're kinda lean. But I doubt that you trian as much as Carwin does and follow a diet that is as strict as he does so your fat % is probly wayyy higher than his. And fat has lower density than muscles. So you can look larger but if you're limp you're still lighter. According to the fact that you say you can reach fat % as high as 20% well... yeah.. Carwin surely isn't close to 20% body fat when he walks in the octagon.

 

Also Carwin did put weight kinda quickly but he obviously is a guy who naturaly easily gains weight. Add to that protein shakes and a rich diet, + mass gaining training every day for months, it is very possible. Now.. did he use steroids? I don't know, but I,m sure I will. Nothing you said (at least in the first part) is close to coherent and to be any sort of proof. The fat that you weight 185 and are as tall is just not an argument...

 

So.... in conclusion, I hope this thread was a joke cuz it's very retarded.[/quote']

 

I wish I would of read this before I made that ridiculously long post. you said what I was trying to say and more, but more importantly, in less words.

[NmyBlood]

Shane Carwin = 6'1 265lbs.

End of Story..Your "Proof".

 

He's the Great hype machine that failed.

They used to post him at "6'5" on the Ufc stat page.

Then 6'3'.

Now 6'2..which is still giving him 1/2 an inch lift.

 

Even with his 35lbs of Jelly on him..he's at best 6'1 230lbs.

Even at that size the man has Clearly taken "enhancement"..aids.

 

I am 6'1 185lbs.

When I lean up I walk around at 175lbs & that is still at 10-12% body fat.

Rather Low but nowhere near as low as someone like Rich Franklin who gets as low as 4% Body Fat.

 

Rich btw is a True 6'2' date=' fights at 205 & walks around at about 220.

 

When I am not training I go as high as 20% body fat & then walk around at around 190-195lbs.

 

So let's give hime a larger frame than me (bones).

Shall we add..15 lbs?

a Tad much for just a frame but let's go with that to finish this Scenario.

 

So a Lean Carwin..could be as low as 190lbs.

Now we see he likes the sugar treats by his Ovally challenged mid section.

So let's say he is Never Lean.

add 15lbs (damn bone density) to my weight at a higher body weight of 190 lbs..putting him at 205..for his version of lean.

 

Now I like to stay lean & not bulk up..so let's give Carwin another say 25 lbs of Lean Muscle mass over me..that is quite a bit but..can be done.

 

Example..it has taken GSP a Lean fighter almost 1 year to put on & maintain a Lean 8 lbs of muscle.

 

So now we have a Shane Carwin at about 230lbs.

Still from his last fight against Lesnar at 265lbs..35 lbs Under wieght~!~

 

That is a staggering difference.

Try training at even a moderate level & Gain 35lbs of fat at the same time.

You'd have to eat 5,000 calories a day..just to gain just under 2lbs per day & you'd have to eat that every single day without break to keep it on.

 

Ain't happenin.

We all saw his Cardio was shi@.

 

So attribute that to the already 35lbs of body fat he carries around with him.

We also know Muscle heads gas out much quicker because of the demands on the body to feed itself.

 

Look at Forrest Griffin.

6'3 220ish Lean as fu#$~!~

 

Far more muscle on him than Carwin.

No, Muscle does Not have to be bulked up to hold weight.

Muscle lean compared to body fat weighs more.

 

When out of shape up to as high as 235lbs.

 

Countless examples of Fighters Bigger than Carwin who are nowhere near his numbers.

 

Another example is Brock Lesnar as a "comedic wrestler"....(wwe).

The guy was at 330lbs & lean.

Yes, Brock to has done the "enhancement aids".

Before Brocks Reality check he cut from 280lbs down to 265lbs.

 

Even at 280lbs he was 50lbs less than what he "acted" at.

Now.

He says he doesn't even Cut weight.

He's at 265lb lean without about 15lbs of body fat.

A small amount for a Man his heigth.

 

He had to put 30 lbs back on just to get back up to 265 after he got Ill.

That means Brock "Freak Of Nature" Lesnar was down to 235lbs at a true 6'3 & Massive Frame...one much larger than Carwins.

 

Just Look at their shoulder base standing next to one another.

So now Brock is fighting 80lbs or so under what he "wrestled in wwe" at.

Ouch.

 

I'm certain that's natural though.

(cough)..horsesh&^.

 

Look it's just the way it is people.

Athletes at this level in order to put the size & look of a "heavyweight"..on.."enhance" in anyway they can.

 

It's the fools that go to the roids anymore when there are so many "Legal" ways to put on size anymore.

 

Thats Struve guy..is what 6'10 reportedly?

Yet..he fights at 245lbs?

ha~fu*~!~

 

He is lean yes.

But..a bean pole?...hardly.

 

He is nearly 1 foot taller than Shane Carwin.

 

Shane has the power of a heavywieght in his hands..but he is a LHW..who refuses to be disciplined in his diet.

 

It's ok.

He can beat a lot of fighters at HW.

But he will never hold the belt..even if he doesn't get Suspended for 1 year like sherk did for "illegal performance enhancement)..what a f'n joke..to call it that.

 

JDS..

that is the future of the Heavyweight division.

If Jones should ever step up to heavyweight which he could do easily.

JDS..should welcome him.

He (Jones) would quickly change his mind.

 

Even Cain..fights at around 240 with 15lbs of belly fat & taller than Carwin.

 

Mir is finally realizing the difference between heavyweights & fighters that could & Should..be at LHW & letting his body take on natural form.

 

I do expect the Ufc to go to lengths to protect truth of Carwins use..since he has some "Juice"..no pun intended behind him after losing to Lesnar.

 

a Fight I'd love to see is Vitor Belfort Vs Shane Carwin.

That would show exactly where Carwin should be.

 

Note..

 

I was at 117 & watched Roy Nelson take shot after shot from JDS.

That Man regardless of his 60lbs of Jelly Belly..has more heart & Stamina than almost anyone in the heavyweight division & I'd love to see him against Carwin.

 

Carwin punches hard..but is Not a HW.

The Sooner he embraces that..he may have a career in the ufc for more than another year or two.

 

If not..

he has already began sliding down the Proverbial "Mountain".

We all know what happens when Chubby is sliding down that Mountain..

we Run the F..away.

 

In other words..

Lose Interest.[/quote']

 

I only said that about the proof because I had yet to see the article about Carwin and steroids. However, being 6'1" and 265 lbs is hardly proof, and you have yet to cite any sources. This is only proof that you are heavily misinformed.

 

 

"Misinformed" on what?

His Height?

His Weight?

His Previous Fighting weights?

The Lard on his middle?

The hype machine & ever changing height stat?

Look it up.

It's all there for you to see.

 

I shouldn't have to do the homework for such an "informed" Man as yourself.

 

It's there for You to see..if you have the Courage to challenge your own beliefs.

[PaulMitchell]

Oh dear..

Son..

don't be so emotional.

Numbers do NOT lie.

 

Look at Carwins fighting weight for all of his Ufc fights.

He struggled to get to 255 until the lesnar fight.

 

Look at other fighters his size or bigger. This "Stocky" thang is just another way of saying "fat"..come on now..be honest with yourself.

 

Again the numbers do Not lie.

 

Also..I know most people do not want to be honest with themselves about how much fat they carry but I promise you to say Carwin carries 30lbs of body fat..is Generous to him.

 

Again look at fighters his size or much larger in Everyway.

He just likes his ice cream a bit much.

 

The Post is only a "Rant" & or "failed" to those unwilling to look at "Facts" Numbers.

I know.

If you did that..it would mean having a lot of your theories shattered.

 

It's ok keep them.

But..

Truth will Always come out.

In this case the truth is..Shane Carwin is not the next "Big Thing" in the heavyweight division.

 

But his Belly has potential to be.

 

you went from saying hes big because of steroids to saying hes fat. Which are you arguing here?

[NmyBlood]

I've seen a lot of incoherent rants on this forum...

 

This one is Top 5

 

In that case.

I'd like to thank all the little people for their help over the years.

Big "Ups" to G.O.D..

oh & last but not least Crispy Kreme for giving us fighters Like Roy Nelson & Shane Carwin.. for showing Us the difference between a Man with Stamina who takes 3 rounds of Punishment from a top 5 HW & a Man who Gasses after 1 round of dishing out the punishment.

[dfwGSP]

I only said that about the proof because I had yet to see the article about Carwin and steroids. However' date=' being 6'1" and 265 lbs is hardly proof, and you have yet to cite any sources. This is only proof that you are heavily misinformed.[/quote']

 

 

"Misinformed" on what?

His Height?

His Weight?

His Previous Fighting weights?

The Lard on his middle?

The hype machine & ever changing height stat?

Look it up.

It's all there for you to see.

 

I shouldn't have to do the homework for such an "informed" Man as yourself.

 

It's there for You to see..if you have the Courage to challenge your own beliefs.

 

 

You said that the heights that he was listed was proof he's guilty. Well, I'm informed enough to know that steroids don't make you taller or shorter, and I doubt he asked them to list him at those heights. You called me out, so why should I look it up? Show your proof or except that it's bs until proven otherwise.

[LT_Chaos]

All that effort and you didn't even get the height right. Both UFC.com and Wiki(which we all know if the most reliable source on the internet) have him at 6'2''.

[NmyBlood]

you went from saying hes big because of steroids to saying hes fat. Which are you arguing here?

 

 

I understand how you could derive that from my post.

Point was I was trying to give Carwin the benefit of the doubt by adding fat on him but even with "stretching" those numbers I could not come close to justifying his "6'1 265lb" stats.

 

So..

Clearly..

To get even to 230lbs at his height it is Not happening Naturally.

[Gibberish]

OP before you go posting non sense maybe you should educate yourself on body types. i'm also just going to throw this phrase out there, i'm sure you've heard it. "big boned" there is truth to this saying. now whether or not he took steriods, i don't know, you don't know, and unless he comes out and says he took them it's all speculation.

[NmyBlood]

All that effort and you didn't even get the height right. Both UFC.com and Wiki(which we all know if the most reliable source on the internet) have him at 6'2''.

 

ugh..

You really have not been paying attention have you?

 

Yes...he is listed at 6'2' & I DID..point that out by saying he is a True 6'1ish with another 1/2 inch padded on his stat = 6'2.

 

Math is not your strong point huh?

 

Watch any video of him standing next to anyone 6'1 or taller & tell me he is 6'2.

In fact look at the weigh in against Brock..that is an easy one to pull up & even with his shoes on standing next to brock..a (1/2 to 1 inch lift) he was a couple of inches shorter than a barefoot brock.

 

 

Dam..me & my Numbers.

[NmyBlood]

OP before you go posting non sense maybe you should educate yourself on body types. i'm also just going to throw this phrase out there' date=' i'm sure you've heard it. "big boned" there is truth to this saying. now whether or not he took steriods, i don't know, you don't know, and unless he comes out and says he took them it's all speculation.[/quote']

 

Your Name suits you.

[CarwinDemoMan66]

Tony Johnson Jr. (Former KOTC Heavyweight Champion) is 6'1 265, does that make him on roids?

[Gibberish]

Your Name suits you.

 

i guess my response was enough to shut you up.

[LT_Chaos]

ugh..

You really have not been paying attention have you?

 

Yes...he is listed at 6'2' & I DID..point that out by saying he is a True 6'1ish with another 1/2 inch padded on his stat = 6'2.

 

Math is not your strong point huh?

 

Watch any video of him standing next to anyone 6'1 or taller & tell me he is 6'2.

In fact look at the weigh in against Brock..that is an easy one to pull up & even with his shoes on standing next to brock..a (1/2 to 1 inch lift) he was a couple of inches shorter than a barefoot brock.

 

 

Dam..me & my Numbers.

 

Once again, all your 'proof' is based on your own odd-ball theories. I don't need to watch videos and attempt to distinguish his true height. I don't need to account for the 'padding' you say he has. It's really quite sad that you would waste so much of your own time, type so much, and have no solid facts to back it whatsoever.

 

You might as well have written a full length dissertation of why aliens actually exist in Area 51, and your facts to back it. You might have actually had more material to work with.

[Hate1406050755]

Oh dear..

Son..

don't be so emotional.

Numbers do NOT lie.

 

Look at Carwins fighting weight for all of his Ufc fights.

He struggled to get to 255 until the lesnar fight.

 

Look at other fighters his size or bigger. This "Stocky" thang is just another way of saying "fat"..come on now..be honest with yourself.

 

Again the numbers do Not lie.

 

Also..I know most people do not want to be honest with themselves about how much fat they carry but I promise you to say Carwin carries 30lbs of body fat..is Generous to him.

 

Again look at fighters his size or much larger in Everyway.

He just likes his ice cream a bit much.

 

The Post is only a "Rant" & or "failed" to those unwilling to look at "Facts" Numbers.

I know.

If you did that..it would mean having a lot of your theories shattered.

 

It's ok keep them.

But..

Truth will Always come out.

In this case the truth is..Shane Carwin is not the next "Big Thing" in the heavyweight division.

 

But his Belly has potential to be.

 

Numbers dont lie, but the person giving the numbers can be a mental retard and not know what he is talking about. Just cause the guy is 6'1" doesnt mean he has to weigh what you do man, ITS CALLED GENETICS. Look at Struve, that is a tall skinny dude, he obviously doenst do much weight training in they gym. Carwin has alot of muscle on him. I work out at the gym myself man I am 5'10" and im 225, Im not fat by all means im alittle chubby but I workout with 230 on bench and my max is 265. There is a guy that is shorter then me and he is Fat a big ole beer belly and all, he weighs 240. but if you looked at us we almost look the same size, minus the belly on me. so numbers can be missleading when you are talking about athletes. its all about genetics and muscle mass, if your stocky compact guy you will look bigger with the muscle. Read up on stuff like that before you start spitting that crap out man.

[PaulMitchell]

Numbers dont lie' date=' but the person giving the numbers can be a mental retard and not know what he is talking about. Just cause the guy is 6'1" doesnt mean he has to weigh what you do man, ITS CALLED GENETICS. Look at Struve, that is a tall skinny dude, he obviously doenst do much weight training in they gym. Carwin has alot of muscle on him. I work out at the gym myself man I am 5'10" and im 225, Im not fat by all means im alittle chubby but I workout with 230 on bench and my max is 265. There is a guy that is shorter then me and he is Fat a big ole beer belly and all, he weighs 240. but if you looked at us we almost look the same size, minus the belly on me. so numbers can be missleading when you are talking about athletes. its all about genetics and muscle mass, if your stocky compact guy you will look bigger with the muscle. Read up on stuff like that before you start spitting that crap out man.[/quote']

 

Well said, but not worth it.

[King_Can]

let me guess. hes a brock fan.

 

hate em all.

[KingOfAllFighting]

Good read!

You clearly have body knowledge in MMA and body statistics

[StephenColbert]

great post! I love your meaning of proof!

 

proof- self opinion.

 

this whole thread just shows how much work you put into it. I want you on my team.

 

great post!

[bmorrow10]

its pretty clear brock lesnar took steroiods too he just hasnt been caught with them yet

[MMAFAN01]

QUOTE=dfwGSP;1122980]I'm gonna need some proof on Carwin before I condemn him.

 

Shane Carwin = 6'1 265lbs.

End of Story..Your "Proof".

 

He's the Great hype machine that failed.

They used to post him at "6'5" on the Ufc stat page.

Then 6'3'.

Now 6'2..which is still giving him 1/2 an inch lift.

 

Even with his 35lbs of Jelly on him..he's at best 6'1 230lbs.

Even at that size the man has Clearly taken "enhancement"..aids.

 

I am 6'1 185lbs.

When I lean up I walk around at 175lbs & that is still at 10-12% body fat.

Rather Low but nowhere near as low as someone like Rich Franklin who gets as low as 4% Body Fat.

 

Rich btw is a True 6'2' date=' fights at 205 & walks around at about 220.

 

When I am not training I go as high as 20% body fat & then walk around at around 190-195lbs.

 

So let's give hime a larger frame than me (bones).

Shall we add..15 lbs?

a Tad much for just a frame but let's go with that to finish this Scenario.

 

So a Lean Carwin..could be as low as 190lbs.

Now we see he likes the sugar treats by his Ovally challenged mid section.

So let's say he is Never Lean.

add 15lbs (damn bone density) to my weight at a higher body weight of 190 lbs..putting him at 205..for his version of lean.

 

Now I like to stay lean & not bulk up..so let's give Carwin another say 25 lbs of Lean Muscle mass over me..that is quite a bit but..can be done.

 

Example..it has taken GSP a Lean fighter almost 1 year to put on & maintain a Lean 8 lbs of muscle.

 

So now we have a Shane Carwin at about 230lbs.

Still from his last fight against Lesnar at 265lbs..35 lbs Under wieght~!~

 

That is a staggering difference.

Try training at even a moderate level & Gain 35lbs of fat at the same time.

You'd have to eat 5,000 calories a day..just to gain just under 2lbs per day & you'd have to eat that every single day without break to keep it on.

 

Ain't happenin.

We all saw his Cardio was shi@.

 

So attribute that to the already 35lbs of body fat he carries around with him.

We also know Muscle heads gas out much quicker because of the demands on the body to feed itself.

 

Look at Forrest Griffin.

6'3 220ish Lean as fu#$~!~

 

Far more muscle on him than Carwin.

No, Muscle does Not have to be bulked up to hold weight.

Muscle lean compared to body fat weighs more.

 

When out of shape up to as high as 235lbs.

 

Countless examples of Fighters Bigger than Carwin who are nowhere near his numbers.

 

Another example is Brock Lesnar as a "comedic wrestler"....(wwe).

The guy was at 330lbs & lean.

Yes, Brock to has done the "enhancement aids".

Before Brocks Reality check he cut from 280lbs down to 265lbs.

 

Even at 280lbs he was 50lbs less than what he "acted" at.

Now.

He says he doesn't even Cut weight.

He's at 265lb lean without about 15lbs of body fat.

A small amount for a Man his heigth.

 

He had to put 30 lbs back on just to get back up to 265 after he got Ill.

That means Brock "Freak Of Nature" Lesnar was down to 235lbs at a true 6'3 & Massive Frame...one much larger than Carwins.

 

Just Look at their shoulder base standing next to one another.

So now Brock is fighting 80lbs or so under what he "wrestled in wwe" at.

Ouch.

 

I'm certain that's natural though.

(cough)..horsesh&^.

 

Look it's just the way it is people.

Athletes at this level in order to put the size & look of a "heavyweight"..on.."enhance" in anyway they can.

 

It's the fools that go to the roids anymore when there are so many "Legal" ways to put on size anymore.

 

Thats Struve guy..is what 6'10 reportedly?

Yet..he fights at 245lbs?

ha~fu*~!~

 

He is lean yes.

But..a bean pole?...hardly.

 

He is nearly 1 foot taller than Shane Carwin.

 

Shane has the power of a heavywieght in his hands..but he is a LHW..who refuses to be disciplined in his diet.

 

It's ok.

He can beat a lot of fighters at HW.

But he will never hold the belt..even if he doesn't get Suspended for 1 year like sherk did for "illegal performance enhancement)..what a f'n joke..to call it that.

 

JDS..

that is the future of the Heavyweight division.

If Jones should ever step up to heavyweight which he could do easily.

JDS..should welcome him.

He (Jones) would quickly change his mind.

 

Even Cain..fights at around 240 with 15lbs of belly fat & taller than Carwin.

 

Mir is finally realizing the difference between heavyweights & fighters that could & Should..be at LHW & letting his body take on natural form.

 

I do expect the Ufc to go to lengths to protect truth of Carwins use..since he has some "Juice"..no pun intended behind him after losing to Lesnar.

 

a Fight I'd love to see is Vitor Belfort Vs Shane Carwin.

That would show exactly where Carwin should be.

 

Note..

 

I was at 117 & watched Roy Nelson take shot after shot from JDS.

That Man regardless of his 60lbs of Jelly Belly..has more heart & Stamina than almost anyone in the heavyweight division & I'd love to see him against Carwin.

 

Carwin punches hard..but is Not a HW.

The Sooner he embraces that..he may have a career in the ufc for more than another year or two.

 

If not..

he has already began sliding down the Proverbial "Mountain".

We all know what happens when Chubby is sliding down that Mountain..

we Run the F..away.

 

In other words..

Lose Interest.[/quote']

 

for all the dumba** height and weight comparisons. u have attempted to do.......i only have 2words for u.............

 

 

PATRICK BARRY... ........go figure...

[l1fel1ke]

QUOTE=dfwGSP;1122980]I'm gonna need some proof on Carwin before I condemn him.

 

 

Look at Forrest Griffin.

6'3 220ish Lean as fu#$~!~

 

Far more muscle on him than Carwin.

No' date=' Muscle does Not have to be bulked up to hold weight.

Muscle lean compared to body fat weighs more.

 

[/quote']

 

Buddy, you obviously have no idea about anything in the physiological realm. How did you come to the conclusion that carwin holds 35 pounds of extranious fat?

 

He's not mega lean, but trust me, he's not 35 pounds of fat above where he need to be.

 

And no, forrest does not have more muscle than him... R u high?

 

Forrest is definitely taller which makes a big difference weight-wise, but just look at them side by side and it's obvious who has more muscle mass.

 

P.S. what the hell is the point of this thread? Thats as far as i read

[BruceLeePhenom]

The only thing i saw when i scanned threw this was VItor vs Carwin.

 

If vitor can get to a Powerful 220 at least, im talking a lean 220(this will never happen , i kno) i say he would out strike any heavyweight IMO

[Vendur]

[WARSHOGUN]

I hate to tell you dude but some people just have massive frames that are much bigger then average people. i mean Struve is 6'11 but he's built with a slim frame he's 8 inches taller then Brock but no where near Brocks size. It's time for you to realize that your probably an average framed man. And there are people like Carwin that have just a much larger frame and heavier bones.

 

I'm 6'2 or to be completely accurate 6'1 3/4 i have a large frame not as large as Brocks or Carwins but I'm pretty wide. if i walked around at 195lbs id be skinny aka toothpick i walk around at 225lbs and my stomach is flat i have definition in my arms and legs. The most i can go before i feel like I'm a sack of sht is about 255. I've gotten down to about 205lbs and people have said i didn't look like me i didn't look natural.

 

So because your an average framed man, your thinking even a huge framed man like Carwin couldn't be a natural 240-245. But your wrong a person with a massive frame could be the same height as a person with a average frame and be-able to look good with as much as 40-50lbs on them.

[Nicodimus]

somebody getting banned......OP.

[NmyBlood]

Look at Forrest Griffin.

6'3 220ish Lean as fu#$~!~

 

Far more muscle on him than Carwin.

No' date=' Muscle does Not have to be bulked up to hold weight.

Muscle lean compared to body fat weighs more.

 

[/quote']

 

Buddy, you obviously have no idea about anything in the physiological realm. How did you come to the conclusion that carwin holds 35 pounds of extranious fat?

 

He's not mega lean, but trust me, he's not 35 pounds of fat above where he need to be.

 

And no, forrest does not have more muscle than him... R u high?

 

Forrest is definitely taller which makes a big difference weight-wise, but just look at them side by side and it's obvious who has more muscle mass.

 

P.S. what the hell is the point of this thread? Thats as far as i read

 

 

Oh,Jr..

You do understand the difference between "Mass" & "Amount"?

Read carefully again..I never quoted Forrest as having more "Mass".

 

He Does infact have Far "MORE" Muscle to body fat ratio..than porky.

Trust You?

OdD thing to say.

You Look at Shane again.

Look at his height to weight ratio & then just a simple damn picture of him.

Again..the Numbers do NOT lie.

 

Why you kids get so emotional about this is beyond me.

Maybe you have a belly too & you feel personally offended by me calling out a guy carrying 35lbs of fat to hang with athletes Like Brock or JDS who are a Lean 245-265.

 

Either way.

there..there.

 

I Never said Carwin is without ability.

He's just fallen into the same trap Frank Mir & Several others fighters & people fall into.

Explaining away..the extra fat they carry.

 

 

If you want to see what 6'1 265 looks like..Lean.

Look at a body builder.

If you put Carwin side by side with one with the same stats..it would be like a Before & After Pic.

 

 

Thx for stopping by.

Look at the Numbers.

[NmyBlood]

I hate to tell you dude but some people just have massive frames that are much bigger then average people. i mean Struve is 6'11 but he's built with a slim frame he's 8 inches taller then Brock but no where near Brocks size. It's time for you to realize that your probably an average framed man. And there are people like Carwin that have just a much larger frame and heavier bones.

 

I'm 6'2 or to be completely accurate 6'1 3/4 i have a large frame not as large as Brocks or Carwins but I'm pretty wide. if i walked around at 195lbs id be skinny aka toothpick i walk around at 225lbs and my stomach is flat i have definition in my arms and legs. The most i can go before i feel like I'm a sack of sht is about 255. I've gotten down to about 205lbs and people have said i didn't look like me i didn't look natural.

 

So because your an average framed man' date=' your thinking even a huge framed man like Carwin couldn't be a natural 240-245. But your wrong a person with a massive frame could be the same height as a person with a average frame and be-able to look good with as much as 40-50lbs on them.[/quote']

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally a near unbias response.

Thank you for that.

 

As to your Point..

Carwin far from has a "Huge" frame on him.

 

If you want to see a Huge Frame.

Look at Lesnar.

Even next to Carwin.

 

His Shoulder base is far wider & his legs (his base) as well.

Thus being two of the most tell tale signs of a natural larger "Frame".

 

Also..you say..Carwin is a natrual 240 to 245.

You may want to look at his fighting weights before the Ufc & his since arriving in the Ufc.

You may have to swallow those words.

 

I have a mid to Large frame for a Man my Size..as you can tell by my Pic.

As to your stats of you being 6"1 3/4 & walking around at 225lbs with flat abs.

Yea,post a pic of yourself to show that.

Not that you would have a lot of body fat with those stats..but there is "Flat & then "FLAT".

 

As you can tell in my pics I have Flat abs & this was taken when I was at 10% body fat..6'1 1/4 & 175 lbs.

 

A High body fat % for an elite athlete.

 

Like I said with Carwins frame & His pension for lifting weights for Size..I would give him a fair 225~235lb fighter with trimming 15 lbs of his 30lbs+ of chub on his gut.

 

I absolutely agree that a Mans Frame & age Does have a similiar size man carrying a Range of weight.

 

Just Nowhere Near a 40-50lb Range.

Look at Basketball Players.

All similiar heights & Lean.

Their wieghts will be most times at same heights..no more than 5-15 lbs difference.

The rest my friend is purely fat on top.

 

Football Players & heavy weight fighters are notorius for it.

 

Either way..

Your Reply gives me hope that there are others out there that can reply with an Opposing View & not get emotional about it.

I appreciate that.

Thanks Brother.

[2cee]

Carwin is a true heavyweight. He'll never make 205. And he is a savage, he just gassed vs. Brock.

[stinknuggetz]

I read the first post and what i got from it was: "blah blah blah im a ****ing retard"

[CorporalClegg]

QUOTE=dfwGSP;1122980]I'm gonna need some proof on Carwin before I condemn him.

 

Shane Carwin = 6'1 265lbs.

End of Story..Your "Proof".

 

He's the Great hype machine that failed.

They used to post him at "6'5" on the Ufc stat page.

Then 6'3'.

Now 6'2..which is still giving him 1/2 an inch lift.

 

Even with his 35lbs of Jelly on him..he's at best 6'1 230lbs.

Even at that size the man has Clearly taken "enhancement"..aids.

 

I am 6'1 185lbs.

When I lean up I walk around at 175lbs & that is still at 10-12% body fat.

Rather Low but nowhere near as low as someone like Rich Franklin who gets as low as 4% Body Fat.

 

Rich btw is a True 6'2' date=' fights at 205 & walks around at about 220[/u'].

 

When I am not training I go as high as 20% body fat & then walk around at around 190-195lbs.

 

So let's give hime a larger frame than me (bones).

Shall we add..15 lbs?

a Tad much for just a frame but let's go with that to finish this Scenario.

 

So a Lean Carwin..could be as low as 190lbs.

Now we see he likes the sugar treats by his Ovally challenged mid section.

So let's say he is Never Lean.

add 15lbs (damn bone density) to my weight at a higher body weight of 190 lbs..putting him at 205..for his version of lean.

 

Now I like to stay lean & not bulk up..so let's give Carwin another say 25 lbs of Lean Muscle mass over me..that is quite a bit but..can be done.

 

Example..it has taken GSP a Lean fighter almost 1 year to put on & maintain a Lean 8 lbs of muscle.

 

So now we have a Shane Carwin at about 230lbs.

Still from his last fight against Lesnar at 265lbs..35 lbs Under wieght~!~

 

That is a staggering difference.

Try training at even a moderate level & Gain 35lbs of fat at the same time.

You'd have to eat 5,000 calories a day..just to gain just under 2lbs per day & you'd have to eat that every single day without break to keep it on.

 

Ain't happenin.

We all saw his Cardio was shi@.

 

So attribute that to the already 35lbs of body fat he carries around with him.

We also know Muscle heads gas out much quicker because of the demands on the body to feed itself.

 

Look at Forrest Griffin.

6'3 220ish Lean as fu#$~!~

 

Far more muscle on him than Carwin.

No, Muscle does Not have to be bulked up to hold weight.

Muscle lean compared to body fat weighs more.

 

When out of shape up to as high as 235lbs.

 

Countless examples of Fighters Bigger than Carwin who are nowhere near his numbers.

 

Another example is Brock Lesnar as a "comedic wrestler"....(wwe).

The guy was at 330lbs & lean.

Yes, Brock to has done the "enhancement aids".

Before Brocks Reality check he cut from 280lbs down to 265lbs.

 

Even at 280lbs he was 50lbs less than what he "acted" at.

Now.

He says he doesn't even Cut weight.

He's at 265lb lean without about 15lbs of body fat.

A small amount for a Man his heigth.

 

He had to put 30 lbs back on just to get back up to 265 after he got Ill.

That means Brock "Freak Of Nature" Lesnar was down to 235lbs at a true 6'3 & Massive Frame...one much larger than Carwins.

 

Just Look at their shoulder base standing next to one another.

So now Brock is fighting 80lbs or so under what he "wrestled in wwe" at.

Ouch.

 

I'm certain that's natural though.

(cough)..horsesh&^.

 

Look it's just the way it is people.

Athletes at this level in order to put the size & look of a "heavyweight"..on.."enhance" in anyway they can.

 

It's the fools that go to the roids anymore when there are so many "Legal" ways to put on size anymore.

 

Thats Struve guy..is what 6'10 reportedly?

Yet..he fights at 245lbs?

ha~fu*~!~

 

He is lean yes.

But..a bean pole?...hardly.

 

He is nearly 1 foot taller than Shane Carwin.

 

Shane has the power of a heavywieght in his hands..but he is a LHW..who refuses to be disciplined in his diet.

 

It's ok.

He can beat a lot of fighters at HW.

But he will never hold the belt..even if he doesn't get Suspended for 1 year like sherk did for "illegal performance enhancement)..what a f'n joke..to call it that.

 

JDS..

that is the future of the Heavyweight division.

If Jones should ever step up to heavyweight which he could do easily.

JDS..should welcome him.

He (Jones) would quickly change his mind.

 

Even Cain..fights at around 240 with 15lbs of belly fat & taller than Carwin.

 

Mir is finally realizing the difference between heavyweights & fighters that could & Should..be at LHW & letting his body take on natural form.

 

I do expect the Ufc to go to lengths to protect truth of Carwins use..since he has some "Juice"..no pun intended behind him after losing to Lesnar.

 

a Fight I'd love to see is Vitor Belfort Vs Shane Carwin.

That would show exactly where Carwin should be.

 

Note..

 

I was at 117 & watched Roy Nelson take shot after shot from JDS.

That Man regardless of his 60lbs of Jelly Belly..has more heart & Stamina than almost anyone in the heavyweight division & I'd love to see him against Carwin.

 

Carwin punches hard..but is Not a HW.

The Sooner he embraces that..he may have a career in the ufc for more than another year or two.

 

If not..

he has already began sliding down the Proverbial "Mountain".

We all know what happens when Chubby is sliding down that Mountain..

we Run the F..away.

 

In other words..

Lose Interest.

 

Let me fix SOME of this BS garbarge.

 

1. Nope he's 6'2" 280

2. Who cares how big you are?

3. Rich is 6'1" not 6'2" and has just recently said he is outsized at LHW only weighing around 214 compared to 208 when he fought at MW.

4. LOL Carwin at 190?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ****ING WAY...

5. Lesnar was maybe 305 in professional wrestling not 330... again you fail

6. Brock never dropped to 235 you are just making more BS up. Lesnar HIMSELF said he dropped to 248...

7. Brock is not 80 pounds lighter then he was in the WWE you clown! He's probably 30 pounds lighter tops.

8. Carwin punches hard and is one of the biggest men at HW cutting down to 265 but he's not a heavyweight.... lol you are so stupid it's really sad.

 

Maybe you should do some research and think before throwing out crap that is obviously not even close to being true.

[HIMBOB]

Height is large factor in weight but it is nothing compared to build.

 

My two best friends are exactly the same height as me.

 

To expect us to way the same is just stupid.

 

I am the skinny one, the next has a rib cage about double mine the other has one about triple (carwin size).

 

Just think of that as that extra rib cage area filled with water, they should each weight atleast 15kg more than me.

And they do, neither will ever get to my healthy weight, and if they did they would be near death.

 

At one stage one of them weighed in at double what I weighed, sure he could of stood to lose a few, and I certainly needed to gain a few but height is useless.

 

 

 

With the money and tech that is devoted to profession performance you can not prove illegal enhancers without someone testing positive to them.

 

As to the Carwin documents, there will need to be some proff he was a willing participant, and that it is not just a set up to frame him. I am not saying that is what o think happened, but innocent till proven guilty.

[Guessue24]

@OP

you are dumb boring and are sadly mistaken if u think u r somehow special for training in mma if infact you actualy do,

 

most people who watch football, like to play football, most people who like to watch baseball, also like to play it, and alot of people on this forum have trained or still do in multiple martial arts, so stop talking about ur stupid self as if ur special for participating in a martial art. no one wants to hear it kiddo

[HIMBOB]

To expect us to way the same is just stupid.

 

Oh the shame the shame of it all.

[NmyBlood]

Oh the shame the shame of it all.

 

ha..

the horror~!~

[NmyBlood]

i guess my response was enough to shut you up.

 

If only the world worked that way huh jr?

Conversly..

your comment..Warranted the Reply you got.

Some people call themselves out.

[NmyBlood]

@OP

you are dumb boring and are sadly mistaken if u think u r somehow special for training in mma if infact you actualy do' date='

 

most people who watch football, like to play football, most people who like to watch baseball, also like to play it, and alot of people on this forum have trained or still do in multiple martial arts, so stop talking about ur stupid self as if ur special for participating in a martial art. no one wants to hear it kiddo[/b']

 

Were you talking to someone inparticular Jr?

You've got quite the complex huh?

[DarkReflection]

Were you talking to someone inparticular Jr?

You've got quite the complex huh?

 

He was talking to the OP.

 

EDIT - OH...I see. *chuckle* Carry on then!

 

Cheers sir!

 

-DR

[robpiccott]

QUOTE=dfwGSP;1122980]I'm gonna need some proof on Carwin before I condemn him.

Shane Carwin = 6'1 265lbs.

End of Story..Your "Proof".

 

He's the Great hype machine that failed.

They used to post him at "6'5" on the Ufc stat page.

Then 6'3'.

Now 6'2..which is still giving him 1/2 an inch lift.

 

Even with his 35lbs of Jelly on him..he's at best 6'1 230lbs.

Even at that size the man has Clearly taken "enhancement"..aids.

 

I am 6'1 185lbs.

When I lean up I walk around at 175lbs & that is still at 10-12% body fat.

Rather Low but nowhere near as low as someone like Rich Franklin who gets as low as 4% Body Fat.

 

Rich btw is a True 6'2' date=' fights at 205 & walks around at about 220.

 

When I am not training I go as high as 20% body fat & then walk around at around 190-195lbs.

 

So let's give hime a larger frame than me (bones).

Shall we add..15 lbs?

a Tad much for just a frame but let's go with that to finish this Scenario.

 

So a Lean Carwin..could be as low as 190lbs.

Now we see he likes the sugar treats by his Ovally challenged mid section.

So let's say he is Never Lean.

add 15lbs (damn bone density) to my weight at a higher body weight of 190 lbs..putting him at 205..for his version of lean.

 

Now I like to stay lean & not bulk up..so let's give Carwin another say 25 lbs of Lean Muscle mass over me..that is quite a bit but..can be done.

 

Example..it has taken GSP a Lean fighter almost 1 year to put on & maintain a Lean 8 lbs of muscle.

 

So now we have a Shane Carwin at about 230lbs.

Still from his last fight against Lesnar at 265lbs..35 lbs Under wieght~!~

 

That is a staggering difference.

Try training at even a moderate level & Gain 35lbs of fat at the same time.

You'd have to eat 5,000 calories a day..just to gain just under 2lbs per day & you'd have to eat that every single day without break to keep it on.

 

Ain't happenin.

We all saw his Cardio was shi@.

 

So attribute that to the already 35lbs of body fat he carries around with him.

We also know Muscle heads gas out much quicker [/b']because of the demands on the body to feed itself.

 

Look at Forrest Griffin.

6'3 220ish Lean as fu#$~!~

 

Far more muscle on him than Carwin.

No, Muscle does Not have to be bulked up to hold weight.

Muscle lean compared to body fat weighs more.

 

When out of shape up to as high as 235lbs.

 

Countless examples of Fighters Bigger than Carwin who are nowhere near his numbers.

 

Another example is Brock Lesnar as a "comedic wrestler"....(wwe).

The guy was at 330lbs & lean.

Yes, Brock to has done the "enhancement aids".

Before Brocks Reality check he cut from 280lbs down to 265lbs.

 

Even at 280lbs he was 50lbs less than what he "acted" at.

Now.

He says he doesn't even Cut weight.

He's at 265lb lean without about 15lbs of body fat.

A small amount for a Man his heigth.

 

He had to put 30 lbs back on just to get back up to 265 after he got Ill.

That means Brock "Freak Of Nature" Lesnar was down to 235lbs at a true 6'3 & Massive Frame...one much larger than Carwins.

 

Just Look at their shoulder base standing next to one another.

So now Brock is fighting 80lbs or so under what he "wrestled in wwe" at.

Ouch.

 

I'm certain that's natural though.

(cough)..horsesh&^.

 

Look it's just the way it is people.

Athletes at this level in order to put the size & look of a "heavyweight"..on.."enhance" in anyway they can.

 

It's the fools that go to the roids anymore when there are so many "Legal" ways to put on size anymore.

 

Thats Struve guy..is what 6'10 reportedly?

Yet..he fights at 245lbs?

ha~fu*~!~

 

He is lean yes.

But..a bean pole?...hardly.

 

He is nearly 1 foot taller than Shane Carwin.

 

Shane has the power of a heavywieght in his hands..but he is a LHW..who refuses to be disciplined in his diet.

 

It's ok.

He can beat a lot of fighters at HW.

But he will never hold the belt..even if he doesn't get Suspended for 1 year like sherk did for "illegal performance enhancement)..what a f'n joke..to call it that.

 

JDS..

that is the future of the Heavyweight division.

If Jones should ever step up to heavyweight which he could do easily.

JDS..should welcome him.

He (Jones) would quickly change his mind.

 

Even Cain..fights at around 240 with 15lbs of belly fat & taller than Carwin.

 

Mir is finally realizing the difference between heavyweights & fighters that could & Should..be at LHW & letting his body take on natural form.

 

I do expect the Ufc to go to lengths to protect truth of Carwins use..since he has some "Juice"..no pun intended behind him after losing to Lesnar.

 

a Fight I'd love to see is Vitor Belfort Vs Shane Carwin.

That would show exactly where Carwin should be.

 

Note..

 

I was at 117 & watched Roy Nelson take shot after shot from JDS.

That Man regardless of his 60lbs of Jelly Belly..has more heart & Stamina than almost anyone in the heavyweight division & I'd love to see him against Carwin.

 

Carwin punches hard..but is Not a HW.

The Sooner he embraces that..he may have a career in the ufc for more than another year or two.

 

If not..

he has already began sliding down the Proverbial "Mountain".

We all know what happens when Chubby is sliding down that Mountain..

we Run the F..away.

 

In other words..

Lose Interest.

 

lol i bolded everything that is stupid, and you saying being around 6'2 and 265 is not possible?? you must be retarted.... 3 of ufc heavy weights fit that discription, brock mir & shane, so with that alone you must also think mir and brock are on steriods. and your 6'2 175-185 lbs lol dude you got to get something to eat, hit the weights and get your protien lol im 5'11 and 218lbs at about 10% bf, read up on this stuff before you start typing, makes you sound like an ****..

[NmyBlood]

He's the Great hype machine that failed.

They used to post him at "6'5" on the Ufc stat page.

Then 6'3'.

Now 6'2..which is still giving him 1/2 an inch lift.

 

Even with his 35lbs of Jelly on him..he's at best 6'1 230lbs.

Even at that size the man has Clearly taken "enhancement"..aids.

 

I am 6'1 185lbs.

When I lean up I walk around at 175lbs & that is still at 10-12% body fat.

Rather Low but nowhere near as low as someone like Rich Franklin who gets as low as 4% Body Fat.

 

Rich btw is a True 6'2, fights at 205 & walks around at about 220.

 

When I am not training I go as high as 20% body fat & then walk around at around 190-195lbs.

 

So let's give him a larger frame than me (bones).

Shall we add..15 lbs?

a Tad much for just a frame but let's go with that to finish this Scenario.

 

So a Lean Carwin..could be as low as 190lbs.

Now we see he likes the sugar treats by his Ovally challenged mid section.

So let's say he is Never Lean.

add 15lbs (damn bone density) to my weight at a higher body weight of 190 lbs..putting him at 205..for his version of lean.

 

Now I like to stay lean & not bulk up..so let's give Carwin another say 25 lbs of Lean Muscle mass over me..that is quite a bit but..can be done.

 

Example..it has taken GSP a Lean fighter almost 1 year to put on & maintain a Lean 8 lbs of muscle.

 

So now we have a Shane Carwin at about 230lbs.

Still from his last fight against Lesnar at 265lbs..35 lbs Under weight~!~

 

That is a staggering difference.

Try training at even a moderate level & Gain 35lbs of fat at the same time.

You'd have to eat 5,000 calories a day..just to gain just under 2lbs per day & you'd have to eat that every single day without break to keep it on.

 

Ain't happenin.

We all saw what his Cardio was.

 

So attribute that to the already 35lbs of body fat he carries around with him.

We also know Muscle heads gas out much quicker because of the demands on the body to feed itself.

 

Look at Forrest Griffin.

6'3 220ish Lean as..

 

Far more muscle on him than Carwin.

No, Muscle does Not have to be bulked up to hold weight.

Muscle lean compared to body fat weighs more.

 

When out of shape up to as high as 235lbs.

 

Another example is Brock Lesnar as a "comedic wrestler"....(wwe).

The guy was at 330lbs & lean.

Yes, Brock to has done the "enhancement aids".

Before Brocks Reality check he cut from 280lbs down to 265lbs.

 

Even at 280lbs he was 50lbs less than what he "acted" at.

Now.

He says he doesn't even Cut weight.

He's at 265lb lean without about 15lbs of body fat.

A small amount for a Man his heigth.

 

He had to put 30 lbs back on just to get back up to 265 after he got Ill.

That means Brock "Freak Of Nature" Lesnar was down to 235lbs at a true 6'3 & Massive Frame...one much larger than Carwins.

 

Just Look at their shoulder base standing next to one another.

So now Brock is fighting 80lbs or so under what he "wrestled in wwe" at.

Ouch.

 

I'm certain that's natural though.

(cough)..horsesh&^.

 

Look it's just the way it is people.

Athletes at this level in order to put the size & look of a "heavyweight"..on.."enhance" in anyway they can.

 

It's the fools that go to the roids anymore when there are so many "Legal" ways to put on size anymore.

 

Thats Struve guy..is what 6'10 reportedly?

Yet..he fights at 245lbs?

ha~fu*~!~

 

He is lean yes.

But..a bean pole?...hardly.

 

He is nearly 1 foot taller than Shane Carwin.

 

Shane has the power of a heavyweight in his hands..but he is a LHW..who refuses to be disciplined in his diet.

 

It's ok.

He can beat a lot of fighters at HW.

But he will never hold the belt..even if he doesn't get Suspended for 1 year like sherk did for "illegal performance enhancement)..what a f'n joke..to call it that.

 

JDS..

that is the future of the Heavyweight division.

If Jones should ever step up to heavyweight which he could do easily.

JDS..should welcome him.

He (Jones) would quickly change his mind.

 

Even Cain..fights at around 240 with 15lbs of belly fat & taller than Carwin.

 

Mir is finally realizing the difference between heavyweights & fighters that could & Should..be at LHW & letting his body take on natural form.

 

I do expect the Ufc to go to lengths to protect truth of Carwins use..since he has some "Juice"..no pun intended behind him after losing to Lesnar.

 

a Fight I'd love to see is Vitor Belfort Vs Shane Carwin.

That would show exactly where Carwin should be.

 

Note..

 

I was at 117 & watched Roy Nelson take shot after shot from JDS.

That Man regardless of his 60lbs of Jelly Belly..has more heart & Stamina than almost anyone in the heavyweight division & I'd love to see him against Carwin.

 

Carwin punches hard..but is Not a HW.

The Sooner he embraces that..he may have a career in the ufc for more than another year or two.

 

If not..

he has already began sliding down the Proverbial "Mountain".

We all know what happens when Chubby is sliding down that Mountain..

we Run the F..away.

 

In other words..

Lose Interest.

 

Let me fix SOME of this BS garbarge.

1. Nope he's 6'2" 280

2. Who cares how big you are?

3. Rich is 6'1" not 6'2" and has just recently said he is outsized at LHW only weighing around 214 compared to 208 when he fought at MW.

4. LOL Carwin at 190?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ****ING WAY...

5. Lesnar was maybe 305 in professional wrestling not 330... again you fail

6. Brock never dropped to 235 you are just making more BS up. Lesnar HIMSELF said he dropped to 248...

7. Brock is not 80 pounds lighter then he was in the WWE you clown! He's probably 30 pounds lighter tops.

8. Carwin punches hard and is one of the biggest men at HW cutting down to 265 but he's not a heavyweight.... lol you are so stupid it's really sad.

 

Maybe you should do some research and think before throwing out crap that is obviously not even close to being true.

 

About ARNOLD

Nickname: The Austrian Oak

Born: July 30, 1947

Birthplace: Tahl, Graz, AUSTRIA

Residence: California, USA

Height: 6' 2"

Arms: 22"

Chest: 57"

Waist: 34"

Thighs: 28,5"

Calves: 20"

Off Season Weight: 260 lbs

Competition Weight: 235 lbs

 

Links...

http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/schwarzenegger.html

http://www.bodybuilders.com/arnold.htm

 

Steve Reeves for example, was known as one of the most symmetrical and aesthetically pleasing bodybuilders of all time, even though he was not ?huge? by today?s standards.

 

Reeves wrote about ideal measurements frequently and was always striving for his idea of perfection in this regard (and came close to achieving his own personal ideal). One of his criteria for ideal proportions included having his arms, calves and neck measure the same.

 

Steve Reeves Measurements:

Arms: 18.5 inches

Calves: 18.5 inches

Neck: 18.5 inches

Thighs: 27 inches

Chest: 54 inches

Waist: 30 inches

 

In his ?classic physique? book, Reeves said his formula for ?ideal proportions? was as follows:

 

Muscle to bone ratios:

Arm size= 252% of wrist size

Calf size= 192% of ankle size

Neck Size= 79% of head size

Chest Size= 148% of pelvis size

Waist size= 86% of pelvis size

Thigh size= 175% of knee size

 

Steve Reeves? height and weight chart for a bodybuilder (natural):

5?5? 160lbs

5?6? 165lbs

5?7? 170lbs

5?8? 175lbs

5?9? 180lbs

5?10? 185lbs

5?11? 190lbs

6?0? 200lbs

6?1? 210lbs

6?2? 220lbs

6?3? 230lbs

6?4? 240lbs

6?5? 250lbs

 

Oh..Kid..you're just Silly.

 

So according to You..Shane Carwin is BIGGER than Arnold Was as Mr.Olympia?

Same height & Yet arnold in his "Off Season" with 25lbs of fat on him just made it to.

"260"..still 5 lbs UNDER..Carwins 265 against Lesnar..his "Heaviest" he has fought at yet.

 

Arnold in competition was "230"lbs.

So you not only want to say that Carwin does NOT carry 30lbs of Fat on him?

 

That is laughable.

 

Again True Numbers do NOT lie.

Just emotional kids,who "think" they have a clue.

 

We could break this down MANY ways for YOU & they all point to You sounding like a Fool.

 

You say Carwin cuts down From 280lbs to 265lbs to fight?

Firstly his fight against brock was the ONLY fight he ever fought at the 265 limit.

In his MMA..Career before ufc he fought as low as 240lbs & even in the ufc his highest weight was his fights leading up to brock..of which he struggled to get to 255lbs.

 

Yet, I'm certain you'd say he just felt like cutting that extra 10 under the Limit & 25lbs total from his walking around at 280lbs because he's that good?

 

So Carwin is as Ripped as the most revered BodyBuilder there has ever been?

Then he should be fighting at 230 like arnold competed at.

No..

He Has 30LBS OF FAT ON HIS BELLY.

 

Please DO reply.

I'm certain you can educate the entire Bodybuilding community on "Proper" weight for a Man 6'2 & the amount a Mans frame can weigh comparitively..even when his frame is smaller than another mans at his height that is stronger,leaner & weighs 30 lbs less than what Carwin "fought" at.

 

Also..

 

The question now is what are Lesnar?s hopes of recovery? Watching him on the ?SportsCenter? set, he appeared leaner than his fighting physique. He admitted to losing 40 pounds. That is almost certainly not the easy water weight that fighters sweat off making weight. Immobilized in a hospital bed, fed intravenously, the majority of Lesnar?s weight loss would be primarily lean muscle mass.

 

Link..

http://www.sherdog.com/news/r/Fistic-Medicine-Lesnars-Illness-amp-Recovery-22163

 

Read those stats I posted for you from a "Natural" "PRO" Bodybuilder.

That puts a man Carwins height (which is really 6'1 1/2) at a weight "naturally big" at 220lbs.

 

Hmm..

O yeah..

Did I mention that Arnold openly admitts to having Used STEROIDS his entire bodybuilding career?

 

aw Snap~!~

Swim in it Son.

[JimmyKruger]

Only read page 1, but the author needs to be aware of how pernicious it can be to take opinion, estimation and wishful thinking, and to present them as fact and scientific calculation.

 

You have absolutely no basis for 99% of the drival you have come up with.