freedom Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 http://huggingnuts.com/5-fighters-who-did-not-live-up-to-their-potential/ 5 Fighters Who Did Not Live Up To Their Potential Some fighters have it, some don?t. I am talking about potential, but it doesn?t mean that the fighter that has it will have a successful career ? living up to your potential determines success. There are countless examples of athletes in professional sports that have tremendous potential and talent but fail to realize it and MMA is no different. 1. Brandon Vera is the first name that comes to mind. He is a very good striker, with a good wrestling base and has good jujitsu. When he first burst onto the scene a lot respected people in the industry thought (and rightly so) that he would make a run for the UFC title soon and maybe even win it. He tore through the Heavyweight division, winning the WEC Heavyweight title (winning two fights in one night). But his shining moment in the UFC was when he beat former Heavyweight champion... click here to read more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KansasCityKing Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Phil Baroni should have been on that list. Back in the day he was supposed to be the next superstar of the division but he over trained and destroyed himself. I also think Rumble is still going to be very relevent when he gets back from his injury. I would like to see him fight Doomsday or Rick Story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinkleToesTommy Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Good thread, thanks for posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Nice read...my question is does Gabe still have time to turn this around. He's not young anymore, but he might have enough time to have one last run to the top. I mean let's face it, his five loses are against some TOP shelf fighters (JDS, Carwin, Werdum x2, & Randy). I have always been a fan of Gabe, and felt like he never lived up to his potential...I'm just wondering if maybe he still could. I doubt it, but I'd love to see him refocus himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Nice read...my question is does Gabe still have time to turn this around. He's not young anymore' date=' but he might have enough time to have one last run to the top. I mean let's face it, his five loses are against some TOP shelf fighters (JDS, Carwin, Werdum x2, & Randy). I have always been a fan of Gabe, and felt like he never lived up to his potential...I'm just wondering if maybe he still could. I doubt it, but I'd love to see him refocus himself.[/quote'] Good to hear from someone who still believes in Napao!! So many people underrate him, and I find it hard to understand why. He's only lost to some of the best fighters in the world, and had he beat Shane Carwin that day, he'd be considered a 'top HW' by the people who claim to know everything. Side Note: freedom, you are the best thread starter on this entire forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderProdigy Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 good read, Brandon Vera is one of the most talented guys in his division, he just can't throw it together, and i think Gabe's biggest set back is his chin even though he has only lost to the top guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticKJ Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Phil Baroni should have been on that list. Back in the day he was supposed to be the next superstar of the division but he over trained and destroyed himself.I also think Rumble is still going to be very relevent when he gets back from his injury. I would like to see him fight Doomsday or Rick Story. not at WW with Kos, Fitch, GSP, and Shields there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Hardy_ Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Ehm....... what about Phillipe Nover Sokoudjou Rameau Houston Alexander Kimbo Slice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Ehm....... what aboutPhillipe Nover Sokoudjou Rameau Houston Alexander Kimbo Slice Umm.. Nover and Sokodjou, yeah. Alexander and Kimbo.. no. There was no potential there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Hardy_ Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Umm..Nover and Sokodjou' date=' yeah. Alexander and Kimbo.. no. There was no potential there.[/quote'] umm.... "Houston Alexander is for real" and kimbo it was all about hype from his backyard fighting if there wasn't hype he wouldn't of got into ultimate fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 umm.... "Houston Alexander is for real"and kimbo it was all about hype from his backyard fighting if there wasn't hype he wouldn't of got into ultimate fighter. LMAO!! You hear Rogan scream that he's 'for real', and you think that means he's got potential? Get real. Secondly, you're right about Kimbo.. there was lots of 'hype' around him. Hype does not mean skill, nor does it mean potential. Kimbo sucks. Has always sucked. And WILL always suck. If you think he actually had 'potential', I feel very sorry for you. And the reason he got on TUF, is because he's a ratings magnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Paul Daley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Hardy_ Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 LMAO!!You hear Rogan scream that he's 'for real'' date=' and you think that means he's got potential? Get real. Secondly, you're right about Kimbo.. there was lots of 'hype' around him. Hype does not mean skill, nor does it mean potential. Kimbo sucks. Has always sucked. And WILL always suck. If you think he actually had 'potential', I feel very sorry for you. And the reason he got on TUF, is because he's a ratings magnet.[/quote'] I never said he had potential ... i'm just saying that joe rogan talked about him quite highly and i don't think kimbo has/had potential at all beating houston is not a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJBOnline Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Vitor Belfort should be there since after he broke his hand he hasn't been half as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUF127 Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 umm.... "Houston Alexander is for real" I never said he had potential ... i'm just saying that joe rogan talked about him quite highly You have got to be joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Hardy_ Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 No.. Joe rogan said he was for "real " witch he wasn't thats all i'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button_man Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 nice thread.it just so sad that vera can't put it together.i hope he comes back better on his next fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUF127 Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 No.. Joe rogan said he was for "real " witch he wasn't thats all i'm saying. If that's all you were saying why would you defend him with "Houston Alexander is for real" when he said Alexander had no potential? Then your next statement you explain how Kimbo was all hype, nothing about Alexander. Busted. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudiorebelo Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 I liked Houston Alexander...hell I still like the guy. I think he's fun to watch, but he was over hyped. I never thought he'd reach the top, but he did show a lot of promise in his early career...promise that I feel he failed to measure up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Hardy_ Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 If that's all you were saying why would you defend him with "Houston Alexander is for real" when he said Alexander had no potential?Then your next statement you explain how Kimbo was all hype' date=' nothing about Alexander. Busted. Lol[/quote'] I wasn't defending him .. i was taking the p iss because Joe Rogan said he was for real and he clearly wasn't for real . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gasman8402 Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Ehm....... what aboutPhillipe Nover Sokoudjou Rameau Houston Alexander Kimbo Slice Nover was on the list?? Anyway Houston never had potential anyone who comes in storming and swinging as hard as they can has a punchers chance mostly because the other fighter knowing what a bad idea that is doesn't expect it. As soon as he had a couple fights and guys saw he planed to do that every time it made him very easy to beat whether the storm let him tire himself out then completely dominate him (as you saw in all the rest of his fights aside from the kimbo one which was a joke) And Kimbo Slice? I hope that was a joke when did you ever see potential before or after the UFC? NO way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rup Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 If bj's not on the list then it's flawed. yeah, yeah, I know. he's one of the best ever. he's 15-6-1. never put a win streak together of more than 4. has had cardio issues his whole career. has had training issues his whole career. has quit. now when you consider the fact that he is hands down top 5 in the UFC in terms of raw talent (arguably even number 1) it's pretty clear he hasn't lived up to what he could have been. but yeah, all of his crybaby fans will tell me how clueless I am. and how he fought at HW and WW and beat edgar and beat GSP the 1st time then lost cuase GSP cheated the 2nd time. lost to pulver and hughes cuase he had sand in his vagg. all the excuses in the world don't hide the fact that he had more talent/potential than 99% of UFC guys and never did or will live up to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 If bj's not on the list then it's flawed. yeah' date=' yeah, I know. he's one of the best ever. he's 15-6-1. never put a win streak together of more than 4. has had cardio issues his whole career. has had training issues his whole career. has quit. now when you consider the fact that he is hands down top 5 in the UFC in terms of raw talent (arguably even number 1) it's pretty clear he hasn't lived up to what he could have been. but yeah, all of his crybaby fans will tell me how clueless I am. and how he fought at HW and WW and beat edgar and beat GSP the 1st time then lost cuase GSP cheated the 2nd time. lost to pulver and hughes cuase he had sand in his vagg. all the excuses in the world don't hide the fact that he had more talent/potential than 99% of UFC guys and never did or will live up to it.[/quote'] I'm a HUGE Penn fan....always have been - but you're spot on. In fact, even with his known success, he could have been even bigger. Way bigger. Best call of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gasman8402 Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 If bj's not on the list then it's flawed. yeah' date=' yeah, I know. he's one of the best ever. he's 15-6-1. never put a win streak together of more than 4. has had cardio issues his whole career. has had training issues his whole career. has quit. now when you consider the fact that he is hands down top 5 in the UFC in terms of raw talent (arguably even number 1) it's pretty clear he hasn't lived up to what he could have been. but yeah, all of his crybaby fans will tell me how clueless I am. and how he fought at HW and WW and beat edgar and beat GSP the 1st time then lost cuase GSP cheated the 2nd time. lost to pulver and hughes cuase he had sand in his vagg. all the excuses in the world don't hide the fact that he had more talent/potential than 99% of UFC guys and never did or will live up to it.[/quote'] I believe he has not lived up to his potential but I do believe it was because of cardio issues along with fighting guys who were just to big. And don't forget he did beat Hughes the first time and was winning the 2nd b4 he gassed. He came back and made Pulver look bad and the only reason he did so well in the first fight with GSP was because GSP was still young and still learning he wouldn't win if they fought 10 times without a lucky Serra punch. I agree he hasn't lived up to his potential and I had Edgar winning their first fight too. But Edgar aside he has been on a complete tear in the LW devision I mean who else have you seen do that to Kenny? We will see how this Edgar fight goes and so on because although I agree he hasn't lived up to his potential he hasn't died off either actually he's been getting better and showing his potential more, not to mention unlike the other guys mentioned he held the title in two divisions and is STILL at the top of the LW devision. Like BJ but not a big fan so this isn't a nut hugger post either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BYBrawl Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Umm..Nover and Sokodjou' date=' yeah. Alexander and Kimbo.. no. There was no potential there.[/quote'] Agreed. Potential, no. Hype, absolutely YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliedwarior Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 freedom' date=' you are the best thread starter on this entire forum.[/quote'] yeah he has some good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliedwarior Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 If bj's not on the list then it's flawed. yeah' date=' yeah, I know. he's one of the best ever. he's 15-6-1. never put a win streak together of more than 4. has had cardio issues his whole career. has had training issues his whole career. has quit. now when you consider the fact that he is hands down top 5 in the UFC in terms of raw talent (arguably even number 1) it's pretty clear he hasn't lived up to what he could have been. but yeah, all of his crybaby fans will tell me how clueless I am. and how he fought at HW and WW and beat edgar and beat GSP the 1st time then lost cuase GSP cheated the 2nd time. lost to pulver and hughes cuase he had sand in his vagg. all the excuses in the world don't hide the fact that he had more talent/potential than 99% of UFC guys and never did or will live up to it.[/quote'] yeah BJ should be on there for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KansasCityKing Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 not at WW with Kos' date=' Fitch, GSP, and Shields there...[/quote'] Rumble is 26. With the exception of GSP everyone you named are already in their 30's. He has room to learn before he even reaches his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedom Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Side Note: freedom' date=' you are the best thread starter on this entire forum.[/quote'] thanks bro... you would probably win the best screen name award on this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rup Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 I'm a HUGE Penn fan....always have been - but you're spot on. In fact' date=' even with his known success, he could have been even bigger. Way bigger. Best call of the thread.[/quote'] respectable penn fan right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kz11 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 renzo gracie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarwinDemoMan66 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 I think Forrest Griffin didn't live up to all of the hype. He was supposed to be the next top rising star, and probably everybody in the top 10 could beat him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remedx Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 good read. agree with vera being at the top of that list. would be like jon jones becoming a bust and losing a few in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedom Posted August 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 If bj's not on the list then it's flawed. yeah' date=' yeah, I know. he's one of the best ever. he's 15-6-1. never put a win streak together of more than 4. has had cardio issues his whole career. has had training issues his whole career. has quit. now when you consider the fact that he is hands down top 5 in the UFC in terms of raw talent (arguably even number 1) it's pretty clear he hasn't lived up to what he could have been. but yeah, all of his crybaby fans will tell me how clueless I am. and how he fought at HW and WW and beat edgar and beat GSP the 1st time then lost cuase GSP cheated the 2nd time. lost to pulver and hughes cuase he had sand in his vagg. all the excuses in the world don't hide the fact that he had more talent/potential than 99% of UFC guys and never did or will live up to it.[/quote'] I'll say winning titles in two different weight classes is good argument against your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 I think Forrest Griffin didn't live up to all of the hype. He was supposed to be the next top rising star' date=' and probably everybody in the top 10 could beat him.[/quote'] He is a former light heavyweight champ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 I think that Joe Stevenson should be on this list. He did get a title shot but he was dismantled by BJ. Since then he is 3-3 in the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rup Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 I'll say winning titles in two different weight classes is good argument against your point. .....and i'll say the arguements i've already laid out far surpass what you just brought to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenCrack Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 http://huggingnuts.com/5-fighters-who-did-not-live-up-to-their-potential/ i really expected Penn to b on that list.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piercer138 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 http://huggingnuts.com/5-fighters-who-did-not-live-up-to-their-potential/ good article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddievanhalen3 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 good read i agree with most of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Moss Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 http://huggingnuts.com/5-fighters-who-did-not-live-up-to-their-potential/ Brandon Vera would be at the top of my list as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Good article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFL_FTW Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 I'll say winning titles in two different weight classes is good argument against your point. Exactly. Any fighter in their DREAMS would wish to earn two different weight class championships in the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1blowKO Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Maybe Evan Tanner perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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