Nando_G Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 I have a big problem with the way fights are scored as I'm sure many of you do. Takedowns are weighed more heavily than anything. If a fighter dominates for four and a half minutes & gets taken down for 5 seconds the round is stolen from them. If a takedown is considered dictating the location of a fight, then standing a fight back up from the bottom should be weighed just as heavily, as well as stuffing a takedown. It doesn't make sense that you stuff 3 out of 4 takedowns & yet you lose the round. I understand if your down for more than a minute but even then submission attempts & guard activity should be accounted for. Fighters should be penalized for stalling whether it be on the ground or standing. The problem isn't inexperienced judges who don't know what to look for, its a lack of rules to follow on how a fight should be judged. Also when it comes to stoppages it shouldn't be at the refs discrepancy, there should be a set rule to avoid controversy, premature/late stoppages. Because there are some moronic refs who want to see an unconscious body get punched in the face to make sure that they are out cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 I have a big problem with the way fights are scored as I'm sure many of you do. Takedowns are weighed more heavily than anything. If a fighter dominates for four and a half minutes & gets taken down for 5 seconds the round is stolen from them. If a takedown is considered dictating the location of a fight' date=' then standing a fight back up from the bottom should be weighed just as heavily, as well as stuffing a takedown. It doesn't make sense that you stuff 3 out of 4 takedowns & yet you lose the round. I understand if your down for more than a minute but even then submission attempts & guard activity should be accounted for. Fighters should be penalized for stalling whether it be on the ground or standing. Also when it comes to stoppages it shouldn't be at the refs discrepancy, there should be a set rule to avoid controversy, premature/late stoppages. Because there are some moronic refs who want to see an unconscious body get punched in the face to make sure that they are out cold.[/quote'] This is just not true. Learn how to score fights before you start making sh*t up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vangough Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Stop watching MMA easy to fix..In a perfect world everything would be fair but its not.For every rule you make there will be 5 more people crying wanting to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongman Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 I have a big problem with the way fights are scored as I'm sure many of you do. Takedowns are weighed more heavily than anything. If a fighter dominates for four and a half minutes & gets taken down for 5 seconds the round is stolen from them. If a takedown is considered dictating the location of a fight' date=' then standing a fight back up from the bottom should be weighed just as heavily, as well as stuffing a takedown. It doesn't make sense that you stuff 3 out of 4 takedowns & yet you lose the round. I understand if your down for more than a minute but even then submission attempts & guard activity should be accounted for. Fighters should be penalized for stalling whether it be on the ground or standing. Also when it comes to stoppages it shouldn't be at the refs discrepancy, there should be a set rule to avoid controversy, premature/late stoppages. Because there are some moronic refs who want to see an unconscious body get punched in the face to make sure that they are out cold.[/quote'] what rule could avoid bad stopages? in regards too scoring i think the scoring is fine, they just need to get knowledgeable judges, joe rogan would be a good judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vangough Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 what rule could avoid bad stopages?in regards too scoring i think the scoring is fine' date=' they just need to get knowledgeable judges, joe rogan would be a good judge[/quote'] I think maybe get some judges/refs who used to fight mma could help .. But 1 out of every 10 fights i would say are bad calls so over all i think they do pretty well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 what rule could avoid bad stopages?in regards too scoring i think the scoring is fine' date=' they just need to get knowledgeable judges, [b']joe rogan would be a good judge[/b] No.. he really wouldn't. The judges are fine. People just like to complain about sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nando_G Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 This is just not true.Learn how to score fights before you start making sh*t up. What are you talking about people this happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nando_G Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 what rule could avoid bad stopages?in regards too scoring i think the scoring is fine' date=' they just need to get knowledgeable judges, joe rogan would be a good judge[/quote'] Something to look out for. Like where the fighter is being hit, if they're avoiding damage. I don't like when a fighter isn't moving but they're not taking damage to anywhere else but the arms & shoulders & the fight gets stopped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzie Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Stop listening to the commentators how could a judge give 48-47 to Benavidez if a takedown wins you the round? (He should of had it 50-45 for Cruz if that was true). A takedown steals you the round yes, but only if it is close. It is actually a part of the judging criteria to give the round to guy who got the takedown if it was close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nando_G Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Stop listening to the commentators how could a judge give 48-47 to Benavidez if a takedown wins you the round? (He should of had it 50-45 for Cruz if that was true). A takedown steals you the round yes' date=' but only if it is close. It is actually a part of the judging criteria to give the round to guy who got the takedown if it was close.[/quote'] One judge. I had benavidez winning that fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 One judge. I had benavidez winning that fight. I won't say you're on glue, because I thought the first, second and fifth could have gone either way. In close rounds like that, however, the guy with the takedowns usually will win. And rightfully so. For you to imply that Benavidez was 'dominating' Dominick Cruz, shows that you really don't understand how fights are scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongman Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 No.. he really wouldn't.The judges are fine. People just like to complain about sh*t. he wouldnt?! why not hes got more mma knowledge than any judge out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage0210 Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 if they get rid of steve mazzagatti the referee part is dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudiorebelo Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 TD are overrated in this system. Rule to avoid early stoppages: Get the ref ask the fighter if he gives up and let the fighter answer, like in Pride. Of course if he's not answering don't wait for too long. Like this is when it's ok to stop a fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongman Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 TD are overrated in this system. Rule to avoid early stoppages: Get the ref ask the fighter if he gives up and let the fighter answer' date=' like in Pride. Of course if he's not answering don't wait for too long. Like this is when it's ok to stop a fight [img']http://www.mma-brasil.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/UFC111_ShaneCarwin_FrankMir.jpg[/img] i was screaming at tv to stop fight when this happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nando_G Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 I won't say you're on glue' date=' because I thought the first, second and fifth could have gone either way. In close rounds like that, however, the guy with the takedowns usually will win. And rightfully so. For you to imply that Benavidez was 'dominating' Dominick Cruz, shows that you really don't understand how fights are scored.[/quote'] I wasn't referring to that fight it was extremely close to call. he wouldnt?! why not hes got more mma knowledge than any judge out there I probly do cause alot of these judges make some stupid **** calls. Your gonna tell me Jamie Varner didn't do enough in his last fight to earn a W? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vangough Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 i was screaming at tv to stop fight when this happened I was scared for frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nando_G Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 i was screaming at tv to stop fight when this happened Exactly my point. Fighters shouldn't take unnecessary damage, this was a very late stoppage. When Brock fought Shane, it was a good call for rosenthal to allow the fight to go on. We've seen fights where a fighter looks at the ref like you really want me to keep hitting this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 I wasn't referring to that fight it was extremely close to call. I probly do cause alot of these judges make some stupid **** calls. Your gonna tell me Jamie Varner didn't do enough in his last fight to earn a W? So which fight were you referring to? I'd like to know so I can offer my input on the decision. And no.. I don't believe Varner did enough to earn the W. He's lucky Kamal had a point deducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongman Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Exactly my point. Fighters shouldn't take unnecessary damage' date=' this was a very late stoppage. When Brock fought Shane, it was a good call for rosenthal to allow the fight to go on. We've seen fights where a fighter looks at the ref like you really want me to keep hitting this guy?[/quote'] i cant remember what ref it was i think mirgliotta i dunno, another fight tha piss me off was franklin vs liddel he let him hit chuck twice unconcious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nando_G Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 So which fight were you referring to?I'd like to know so I can offer my input on the decision. And no.. I don't believe Varner did enough to earn the W. He's lucky Kamal had a point deducted. It's nothing specific & I honestly can't remember something off the top of my head but I will look a fight up & tell you. Ok rewatch that fight Varner put an **** whooping on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nando_G Posted August 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 i cant remember what ref it was i think mirgliotta i dunno' date=' another fight tha piss me off was franklin vs liddel he let him hit chuck twice unconcious[/quote'] I'm pretty sure Herb was covering the Franklin/Liddell fight. But that's my point I'm not trying to sound like the mma god or anything. I just want to see fighters better protected & consistent scoring methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongman Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 I'm pretty sure Herb was covering the Franklin/Liddell fight. But that's my point I'm not trying to sound like the mma god or anything. I just want to see fighters better protected & consistent scoring methods. rewatch it he almost does but pulls away and lets him fire a huge punch to the out chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFC_Achilles Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 So which fight were you referring to?I'd like to know so I can offer my input on the decision. And no.. I don't believe Varner did enough to earn the W. He's lucky Kamal had a point deducted. +1, did he get a point taken in two rounds? I really cant remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFC_Achilles Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 It's nothing specific & I honestly can't remember something off the top of my head but I will look a fight up & tell you. Ok rewatch that fight Varner put an **** whooping on him. Shalorus landed more than double the amount of strikes varner did and actually got a takedown http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/08/varner-vs-shalorus-fightmetric-report.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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