ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 This is similar to a thread that was made earlier. Only this time I want the top 5 best JJ practicioners in each division and that includes not in the UFC. HW: 1. Nog 2. Werdum 3. Fedor 4. Frank Mir 5. Roger Gracie? LHW: 1. Lil Nog 2. Babalu 3. Forrest 4. Mousasi 5. Shogun MW: 1. Maia 2. Jacare 3. Palahares 4. Anderson 5. Mayhem WW: 1. NIck Diaz 2. Jake Shields 3. Chris Lytle 4. GSP 5. Dustin Hazelett LW: 1. BJ Penn 2. Shinya Aoki 3. George Sotiropoulos 4. Kenny Florian 5. Joe Lauzon Honorable Mention: Charles Oliveira Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martino231 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 I'd but Babalu above Lil Nog personally, and I'd also put Dustin Hazelett in the top 3 at WW. I'd also rank Aoki over BJ at LW, but BJ is far too well rounded for him. Other than that, I'd say you're pretty much spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted August 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 I'd but Babalu above Lil Nog personally' date=' and I'd also put Dustin Hazelett in the top 3 at WW. I'd also rank Aoki over BJ at LW, but BJ is far too well rounded for him. Other than that, I'd say you're pretty much spot on.[/quote'] Oh yeah I completely forgot about Hazelett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Dude, you need to immediately remove Forrest Griffin from the LHW list, put Xande Ribeiro at the #1 spot, and shuffle accordingly. Ricardo Arona needs to be on this list too. As does Ricardo Almeida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Oh, and remove Anderson Silva and Miller from MW, and replace with Thales Leites and Paulo Filho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexino Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Roger Gracie should be on top of the Heavyweight list he's like a 10 times world champion, he's probably got the best BJJ in the all of MMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaTsA Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 This is similar to a thread that was made earlier. Only this time I want the top 5 best JJ practicioners in each division and that includes not in the UFC. HW: 1. Nog 2. Werdum 3. Fedor 4. Frank Mir 5. Roger Gracie? LHW: 1. Lil Nog 2. Babalu 3. Forrest 4. Mousasi 5. Shogun MW: 1. Maia 2. Jacare 3. Palahares 4. Anderson 5. Mayhem WW: 1. NIck Diaz 2. Jake Shields 3. Chris Lytle 4. GSP 5. Dustin Hazelett LW: 1. BJ Penn 2. Shinya Aoki 3. George Sotiropoulos 4. Kenny Florian 5. Joe Lauzon Honorable Mention: Charles Oliveira Thoughts? Nog above Werdum? Fedor above Mir? GSP in the top 5? All I have time to say right now, but those are the obvious ones. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Roger Gracie should be on top of the Heavyweight list he's like a 10 times world champion' date=' he's probably got the best BJJ in the all of MMA.[/quote'] Best Gi grappler yes.....best in MMA? I dunno about that. Werdum or Ribeiro are probably better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Nog above Werdum?Fedor above Mir? GSP in the top 5? All I have time to say right now' date=' but those are the obvious ones. lol.[/quote'] Werdum should be at the #1 spot for sure. And Fedor shoult be ahead of Mir. He has almost more submission wins than Mir has fights. And yeah, GSP should not be on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingzero8717 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 This is similar to a thread that was made earlier. Only this time I want the top 5 best JJ practicioners in each division and that includes not in the UFC. HW: 1. Nog 2. Werdum 3. Fedor 4. Frank Mir 5. Roger Gracie? LHW: 1. Lil Nog 2. Babalu 3. Forrest 4. Mousasi 5. Shogun MW: 1. Maia 2. Jacare 3. Palahares 4. Anderson 5. Mayhem WW: 1. NIck Diaz 2. Jake Shields 3. Chris Lytle 4. GSP 5. Dustin Hazelett LW: 1. BJ Penn 2. Shinya Aoki 3. George Sotiropoulos 4. Kenny Florian 5. Joe Lauzon Honorable Mention: Charles Oliveira Thoughts? My top 1 jiu jitsu guy for each class is as follows. HW- Fabricio Werdum LHW- Rogerio Noguiera MW- Demian Maia WW- Jake Shields LW- BJ Penn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff83 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 I wouldn't even consider Frank Mir top five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted August 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 GSP is top 5 because JJ isn't all but what you can do off your back. He has great passes from the top so that's why I put him top 5. I thought about putting Werdum over Nog but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaZz3000 Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 HW = Fabricio Werdum LHW = Roger Gracie MW = Demian Maia WW = Ricardo Almeida LW = Charles Oliveira x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted August 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 HW = Fabricio WerdumLHW = Roger Gracie MW = Demian Maia WW = Ricardo Almeida LW = Charles Oliveira x Charles Oliveira? He's too unproven. BJ Penn, G-Shock, Aoki, and KenFlo should all go before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurilio Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Werdum should be at the #1 spot for sure. And Fedor shoult be ahead of Mir. He has almost more submission wins than Mir has fights. And yeah' date=' GSP should not be on the list.[/quote'] Should we look at who Fedor has tapped though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wimpygimpet Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 My top 1 jiu jitsu guy for each class is as follows. HW- Fabricio Werdum LHW- Rogerio Noguiera MW- Demian Maia WW- Jake Shields LW- BJ Penn Ehhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted August 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Should we look at who Fedor has tapped though? Well should we look at who Mir tapped? Tim Sylvia, Cheick Kongo, and Brock Lesnar aren't really great accomplishments haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijosef Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Heavyweight: 1. Brock Lesnar 2. Shane Carwin 3. Tim Sylvia 4. Chris Tuscherer 5. Brett Rogers How's that for a list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurilio Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Well should we look at who Mir tapped? Tim Sylvia' date=' Cheick Kongo, and Brock Lesnar aren't really great accomplishments haha.[/quote'] Roberto Travern - Take a look at his accomplishments in BJJ. Mir tapped (technical submission) him when he was only a purple belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FraleyA Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 This is similar to a thread that was made earlier. Only this time I want the top 5 best JJ practicioners in each division and that includes not in the UFC. HW: 1. Nog 2. Werdum 3. Fedor 4. Frank Mir 5. Roger Gracie? LHW: 1. Lil Nog 2. Babalu 3. Forrest 4. Mousasi 5. Shogun MW: 1. Maia 2. Jacare 3. Palahares 4. Anderson 5. Mayhem WW: 1. NIck Diaz 2. Jake Shields 3. Chris Lytle 4. GSP 5. Dustin Hazelett LW: 1. BJ Penn 2. Shinya Aoki 3. George Sotiropoulos 4. Kenny Florian 5. Joe Lauzon Honorable Mention: Charles Oliveira Thoughts? Really Dustin Hazelett 5th? That's real dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongman Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 This is similar to a thread that was made earlier. Only this time I want the top 5 best JJ practicioners in each division and that includes not in the UFC. HW: 1. Nog 2. Werdum 3. Fedor 4. Frank Mir 5. Roger Gracie? LHW: 1. Lil Nog 2. Babalu 3. Forrest 4. Mousasi 5. Shogun MW: 1. Maia 2. Jacare 3. Palahares 4. Anderson 5. Mayhem WW: 1. NIck Diaz 2. Jake Shields 3. Chris Lytle 4. GSP 5. Dustin Hazelett LW: 1. BJ Penn 2. Shinya Aoki 3. George Sotiropoulos 4. Kenny Florian 5. Joe Lauzon Honorable Mention: Charles Oliveira Thoughts? g-sot's has better jitz then kenflo? please,, and imo mir should be 3# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1blowKO Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Hughes is pretty good too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongman Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 and your forgeting charles oliviera- prolly spelled wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted August 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 g-sot's has better jitz then kenflo? please' date=', and imo mir should be 3#[/quote'] and your forgeting charles oliviera- prolly spelled wrong G-Sot is obviously better at jiu-jitsu than Florian. He's an Eddie Bravo black belt. Kenny is not. Also, I did not forget Oliveira he's on the list at the bottom as an honorable mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machidaNo1p4p Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 werdum babalu souza shields aoki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongman Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 G-Sot is obviously better at jiu-jitsu than Florian. He's an Eddie Bravo black belt. Kenny is not. Also' date=' I did not forget Oliveira he's on the list at the bottom as an honorable mention.[/quote'] well g-sot has only submitted cans, kenny has better jits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfoltz Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Hw: 1. Werdum 2. Nog 3. Mir 4. Fedor 5. Gonzaga Lhw: 1. Lil Nog 2. Forrest 3. Shogun thats all i can think of Mw: 1. Jacare 2. Maia 3. Palhares 4. Leites 5. Silva Ww: 1. Shields 2. Diaz 3. Hazelette 4. GSP 5. Hughes Lw: 1. Bj Penn 2. Shinya Aoki 3. G-Sot 4. Florian 5. Oliveira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Should we look at who Fedor has tapped though? Who has Mir tapped? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinkleToesTommy Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Bisping should be in the MW list, His Ju Jitsu is very underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 HW: Big Nog LHW: Lil Nog MW: Maia WW: Shields LW: Oliviera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongman Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Bisping should be in the MW list' date=' His Ju Jitsu is very underrated.[/quote'] LOL no he shouldnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Roberto Travern - Take a look at his accomplishments in BJJ. Mir tapped (technical submission) him when he was only a purple belt. Travern? LOL, the guy has 2 legit submissions in MMA. Mir's good, don't get me wrong. I'd definitely have him in the Top 5, but noway is he ahead of Fedor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Here's my #1 in each division HW - Werdum LHW - Alexander Ribeiro MW - Ronaldo Souza WW - Andre Galvao LW - Shinya Aoki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Here's my #1 in each division HW - Werdum LHW - Alexander Ribeiro MW - Ronaldo Souza WW - Andre Galvao LW - Shinya Aoki Maia is the best in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurilio Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Travern? LOL' date=' the guy has 2 legit submissions in MMA. Mir's good, don't get me wrong. I'd definitely have him in the Top 5, but noway is he ahead of Fedor.[/quote'] Here's my #1 in each division HW - Werdum LHW - Alexander Ribeiro MW - Ronaldo Souza WW - Andre Galvao LW - Shinya Aoki Way to contradict yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Maia is the best in the world. He's incredible - in fact, I could field a debate for MW supremacy between he and Souza, but in no way is he the best in the world. Ribeiro would slice him up. So would Roger Gracie. Keep in mind, he lost to Souza at ADCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Way to contradict yourself. Ribeiro has 3 fights in MMA fool. Have a gander at his ADCC credentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurilio Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Ribeiro has 3 fights in MMA fool. Have a gander at his ADCC credentials. I could say the same about Robert Travern... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted August 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 He's incredible - in fact' date=' I could field a debate for MW supremacy between he and Souza, but in no way is he the best in the world. Ribeiro would slice him up. So would Roger Gracie. Keep in mind, he lost to Souza at ADCC.[/quote'] Yeah I would personally call it a tie. Keep in mind that the grappling match bewteen them was 5 years ago and much has changed since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted August 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 I'd also like to fix Nog over Werdum. I put Werdum over Nog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Ribeiro would tap Frank Mir 10 out of 10 times in a BJJ matchup, that's the difference in talent we're talking about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 I could say the same about Robert Travern... Traven has 10 fights in his career. We're talking about a guy who got cleaned by Sinosic man...... And Traven as far as I know has never competed in anything remotely skilled as ADCC.......I could be wrong here, but I'm about to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurilio Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Ribeiro would tap Frank Mir 10 out of 10 times in a BJJ matchup' date=' that's the difference in talent we're talking about here.[/quote'] If we're talking straight BJJ, yes. MMA BJJ - no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Looks like he tackled ADCC once and did okay, but still. Unless you've seen Ribeiro work BJJ, it's best not to argue here..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted August 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Maia has also beat Jacare in a grappling match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiletSeat Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Maia vs Jacare is one ofmy fantasy match ups, i think Jacare is 2-1 in actual BJJ matches and it would be one of the most exciting ground fights ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenColbert Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 He's incredible - in fact' date=' I could field a debate for MW supremacy between he and Souza, but in no way is he the best in the world. Ribeiro would slice him up. So would Roger Gracie. [b']Keep in mind, he lost to Souza at ADCC[/b]. did he really? I had no idea. you know your **** Ex. especially about Toney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 If we're talking straight BJJ' date=' yes. MMA BJJ - no.[/quote'] Well, Ribeiro is a LHW, so they likely wouldn't fight in MMA - but you're right - clearly there is a whole other set of dynamics in MMA versus straight grappling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted August 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Well' date=' Ribeiro is a LHW, so they likely wouldn't fight in MMA - but you're right - clearly there is a whole other set of dynamics in MMA versus straight grappling.[/quote'] Well in this thread I meant to discuss MMA grappling. Sorry if I was misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurilio Posted August 21, 2010 Report Share Posted August 21, 2010 Looks like he tackled ADCC once and did okay' date=' but still. Unless you've seen Ribeiro work BJJ, it's best not to argue here.....[/quote'] Silly goose, you speak as if I didn't follow BJJ. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/wrestling are my favorite part about MMA. Since I started training MMA, I've followed BJJ as much as I follow MMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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