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Is Shogun underrated in p4p rankings?

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casino16

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Shogun has the best resume by far in the LHW division....has never really lost while he was fighting without injuries and usually finishes fights or looks to finish his opponent.

 

well the p4p ranks have frankie edgar up there in 4rth place..... so u know theres something wrong with these rankings when shogun is 7th, he should be second after anderson

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Look at Couture and BJ Penns record in the UFC..why have they always been ranked so high? Shogun has always been a better fighter than Anderson, GSP and everybody else in the UFC...he beat Arona, Rampage, Nogueira and Randleman when he was only 22....now he destroys UFCs 'untouchable' Machida...I wonder if it was jon jones that had done all this how high would he be ranked?

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no' date=' he won 4 fights and lost 1 although his record is 3-2. that one fight he lost he had a messed up knee. he's the only man to ever beat lyoto. and the last time they fought, he knocked him the f*ck out.[/quote']

 

he lost to forrest. make excuses all you want but he lost.

 

 

 

 

i'd put him at 5/6 in the p4p rankings

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one he didnt ktfo machida idc if my opinion is biased it was ground and pound and last time a checked the p4p list was made of people who one have fought outta there weight division 1 anderson or are to small for the weight division really fedor or frankie yeaaa i think the p4p list is pretty right but thats jsut my opinion its kinda biased

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Look at Couture and BJ Penns record in the UFC..why have they always been ranked so high? Shogun has always been a better fighter than Anderson' date=' GSP and everybody else in the UFC...he beat Arona, Rampage, Nogueira and Randleman when he was only 22....now he destroys UFCs 'untouchable' Machida...I wonder if it was jon jones that had done all this how high would he be ranked?[/quote']

 

I would say BJ Penn and Couture's record aren't that great is because their losses are almost all from top tier fighters. (GSP, Hughes, Lesnar etc..)

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Shogun is a great fighter no doubt, and if he can get back to his pride ways he could be right up there on the P4P lists.

 

That said, he lost to Forrest, had a ****ty go at Coleman, knocked out Chuck, who everyone is doing it (still legit though), lost to Lyoto (could go either way) and beat Lyoto.

3-2 with 1 Solid win, no excuses or has beens and one controversial loss.

 

Fighting with injury, not getting proper training is an excuse. If he wasn't prepared to fight, he should not have been in the cage.

 

Rua has to come out and beat top ranked relevant fighters consistently to get higher up the rankings. As of right now, Fedor, GSP, Anderson, BJ, Aldo are all ahead of him, hell, from recent fights and fighters, Lyoto could even questionably be ahead of Rua.

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Shogun is a great fighter no doubt' date=' and if he can get back to his pride ways he could be right up there on the P4P lists.

 

That said, he lost to Forrest, had a ****ty go at Coleman, knocked out Chuck, who everyone is doing it (still legit though), lost to Lyoto (could go either way) and beat Lyoto.

3-2 with 1 Solid win, no excuses or has beens and one controversial loss.

 

Fighting with injury, not getting proper training is an excuse. If he wasn't prepared to fight, he should not have been in the cage.

 

Rua has to come out and beat top ranked relevant fighters consistently to get higher up the rankings. As of right now, Fedor, GSP, Anderson, BJ, Aldo are all ahead of him, hell, from recent fights and fighters, Lyoto could even questionably be ahead of Rua.[/quote']

 

How dumb are you. Lyoto in no way can be ahead of him. First of all Lyoto lost twice to him(don't even try to argue he lost to him the first time and in the second he got KTFO.). Oh yeh and if you haven't heard Fedor loss to a UFC scrub in the first 2 minutes of a fight.

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How dumb are you. Lyoto in no way can be ahead of him. First of all Lyoto lost twice to him(don't even try to argue he lost to him the first time and in the second he got KTFO.). Oh yeh and if you haven't heard Fedor loss to a UFC scrub in the first 2 minutes of a fight.

 

Sorry kiddo, but Fedor losing one fight in 10 years, still keeps him relevant even after the loss. He may not be number 1, but Rua sure as hell is not in his league.

 

Also, Lyoto has one loss, he has also beat Rua, Rashad, Silva, Sokoudjou and BJ Penn. Relevant fighters. While I would not put him in the top 3 or 5 for that matter, anyone can easily put a case forward to be ahead of RUA in a p4p rankings.

 

So maybe soon your mommy and daddy will rent you some other ufc dvd's other than Rua Machida 2. Until then, keep your yap shut while the adults talk please.

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Shogun has the best resume by far in the LHW division....has never really lost while he was fighting without injuries and usually finishes fights or looks to finish his opponent.

 

he is one of the best p4p in the world!

 

1 Fedor

2 GSP

3 Silva

4 Aldo

5 Shogun

 

if Brock beats Cain and JDS he's on this list

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How dumb are you. Lyoto in no way can be ahead of him. First of all Lyoto lost twice to him(don't even try to argue he lost to him the first time and in the second he got KTFO.). Oh yeh and if you haven't heard Fedor loss to a UFC scrub in the first 2 minutes of a fight.

 

Why are all your posts retarded,and attacking.I don't think you know what you're talking about.Rua still has yet to even prove himself with the belt.If he can even defend it.The notable name he's beaten in the ufc is Lyoto.So I honestly don't know what you're smoking.Rua is an amazing fighter.He just has to defend his title.Which I'm sure he can.I'm hoping for the W for him against Rashad.

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UfcIsWhereItsAt

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Sorry kiddo' date=' but Fedor losing one fight in 10 years, still keeps him relevant even after the loss. He may not be number 1, but Rua sure as hell is not in his league.

 

Also, Lyoto has one loss, he has also beat Rua, Rashad, Silva, Sokoudjou and BJ Penn. Relevant fighters. While I would not put him in the top 3 or 5 for that matter, anyone can easily put a case forward to be ahead of RUA in a p4p rankings.

 

So maybe soon your mommy and daddy will you some other ufc dvd's other than Rua Machida 2. Until then, keep your yap shut while the adults talk please.[/quote']

 

Your a massive idiot. LOL So Shogun is not even in the same leauge as Fedor?!Shogun could very well beat Fedor. Fedor has never fought a dude like Shogun who posses so many great qualities speed power aggression granite chin high fight IQ awesome timing and awareness.

 

Shogun has consistently fought the best of the best. His record is littered with knockout after knockout over big name talented stars .

 

Fedors record is littered with cans. LOL

 

Also,I like Machida a lot but Sokoudjou relevant? Get real! He was kicked out the UFC by Luis Cane. And how is a win over a LW in BJ relevant. LOL

 

Anyway Shogun's past performances have been incredible and if you want to talk recent?Shogun's last 3 fights have been more impressive then any top P4P fighter right now. He deserves to be up there.

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Your a massive idiot. LOL So Shogun is not even in the same leauge as Fedor?!Shogun could very well beat Fedor. Fedor has never fought a dude like Shogun who posses so many great qualities speed power aggression granite chin high fight IQ awesome timing and awareness.

 

Shogun has consistently fought the best of the best. His record is littered with knockout after knockout over big name talented stars .

 

Fedors record is littered with cans. LOL

 

Also' date='I like Machida a lot but Sokoudjou relevant? Get real! He was kicked out the UFC by Luis Cane. And how is a win over a LW in BJ relevant. LOL

 

Anyway Shogun's past performances have been incredible and if you want to talk recent?Shogun's last 3 fights have been more impressive then any top P4P fighter right now. He deserves to be up there.[/quote']

 

A loss to Forest, barely can beat an old has been, beats a guy with an off button on his chin, loses a close decision and wins one.

The only real relevant name on his list in the last few years that he has beaten is Lyoto.

Cry about the past all you want, but his last 5 performances do not have him placed anywhere near the p4p best. If you want to go back forever, lets add Royce to the list as well huh, you know, he had those big wins back in the day.

 

Rua will be on that list if he keeps fighting relevant fighters, but beating cans has beens and never were and a big lose to Forrest Griffon does not make him a p4p elite.

Kids these days are just stupid.

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I remember saying this in another topic.

 

When Machida and Shogun fought, Machida was considered either the number 5 or 4 top p4p fighter in the world. Regardless of the outcome of the first fight, Shogun did beat Machida in the second fight, decisively.

 

That alone earns Shogun a spot in the p4p rankings. If beating one of the best fighters in the world via KO doesn't earn one a spot in the p4p discussions, I don't know what does.

 

Now is Shogun in the top 3? I don't think so. At least yet. No denying that it's an arguable toss-up between Anderson and GSP for the first ranked spot, with either Aldo or Fedor taking the third spot. Should Shogun be able to put on a very dominate performance against Rashad, who is widely considered a top ten p4p fighter, I believe Shogun should be given either the fourth or third spot in the rankings.

 

Haters can say that Shogun didn't deserve the title shot. But he got it. And he won the title. May not have grabbed it in the first fight, but he made sure he won the second fight. He beat one of the top 5 p4p fighters in the world. That alone should give him a spot. And if you don't like that, tough. That's the simple reality of it.

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please refer to my shogun is way overrated thread:

 

http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=53012&highlight=shogun+overrated

 

All your answers are in the first post:

 

I really don't see why Shogun is all of a sudden considered to be top P4P and seemingly invincible in the eyes of his die hard fans. He is the champion of a division that, as of late, hasn't had a dominant champion. If he was racking up multiple title defenses, then sure, consider him unworldly and ungodly.

 

He beat Machida who only defended the belt once (against Shogun)

Before Machida was Rashad who couldn't defend the belt once

Before Rashad was Forrest who couldn't defend the belt once

Before Forrest was Rampage who only defended the belt once

And before that was Chuck Liddell, who is irrelevant now in the LHW division

 

Why are we considering him top P4P when he hasn't even defended the belt yet?

Was Rampage the best P4P when he took the belt from Chuck? No

Was Forrest the best P4P when he took the belt from Rampage? No

Was Rashad the best P4P when he took the belt from Forrest? No

Machida? Sure, but he was undefeated at the time and people were all over his balls, but then, of course, when he loses once he's off the P4P radar.

 

So please, answer me this, why the hell is Shogun getting so much praise for being the champion in a division that has seen more changes at champion recently than ever before?

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