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KJ Noons and King Mo, both found using illegal compressed oxygen!

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It is supposed to help a fighter with breathing and basic overall fatigue.

 

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http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2803:the-magic-mystery-puffer-conspiracy-theory-from-strikeforce-houston&catid=35:events

 

What do you guys think' date=' worth any punishment?[/quote']

 

Thats odd, if it was illegal why were they using it in front of everyone? Why not just do it in the locker room?

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Thats odd' date=' if it was illegal why were they using it in front of everyone? Why not just do it in the locker room?[/quote']

 

Exactly what i was thinking. It looks more like a gimmick product then say actual Asthma tablets, where there is 100% proof it helps the fighter.

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I can't see it giving any advantage if taken before the fight' date=' but a definite advantage between rounds. But I don't think they took it between rounds.[/quote']

 

Apparently you missed the point...let me reiterate what the OP STATED IN HIS OPENING SENTENCE

 

"It is supposed to help a fighter with breathing and basic overall fatigue." ...SO BASICALLY to spell this out in A-B-C terms its like taking a 5 hr energy boost drink through an inhaler and a cardio enhancer at the same time....GET IT NOW???

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Apparently you missed the point...let me reiterate what the OP STATED IN HIS OPENING SENTENCE

 

"It is supposed to help a fighter with breathing and basic overall fatigue." ...SO BASICALLY to spell this out in A-B-C terms its like taking a 5 hr energy boost drink through an inhaler and a cardio enhancer at the same time....GET IT NOW???

 

Nope, I don't. must be the two years of anatomy and physiology I took. It's like saying the ****** pinch is supposed to give good luck.

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Cause it would give you an advantage' date=' though small, if used [b']during [/b]an endurance event, but not before. I god damn explained that in my first post.

 

and what proof do you have that it matters when you take it??...did you do a trial run at different stages of an event to know that for a fact???? did you witness someone else take it before, during, or after an event?? guess that ends that discussion. Obviously the trainers must believe that it does if they're making there fighters injest it BEFORE THE EVENT....you think maybe they may know a little bit more than we might know whether legal or not??

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Cause it would give you an advantage' date=' though small, if used [b']during [/b]an endurance event, but not before. I god damn explained that in my first post.

 

FACT #2 EINSTEIN with two years of such and such under your belt...

 

When is it appropriate to use truO2?

truO2 can be used before, during or after almost any physical activity that would cause someone to become winded or out of breath. Uses may include: hiking, biking, jogging, running, skiing, spinning, fitness training, weightlifting, yoga, Pilates, business stress, travel or any activity that raises the heart rate. It is also beneficial for use when one's body is stressed or jet lagged.

 

need a link???

 

http://www.truo2.com/faq.php

 

 

...looks like you're just another guy who has more book knowledge (supposedly) than God given sense. Don't worry I run into your type all the time so I'm use to it. CAN SOMEONE SAY OWNAGE

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FACT #2 EINSTEIN with two years of such and such under your belt...

 

When is it appropriate to use truO2?

truO2 can be used before' date=' during or after almost any physical activity that would cause someone to become winded or out of breath. Uses may include: hiking, biking, jogging, running, skiing, spinning, fitness training, weightlifting, yoga, Pilates, business stress, travel or any activity that raises the heart rate. It is also beneficial for use when one's body is stressed or jet lagged.

 

need a link???

 

http://www.truo2.com/faq.php[/quote']

 

First, Einstein was a dumb ****. Second, in a rested state your blood is generally saturated with oxygen, which means your blood cannot transport any more oxygen. It's like your car already has a full gas tank but you keep pumping the gasoline into it. What happens? the gas spills over and your car will go no further than any other similar car with the same full gas tank.

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First' date=' Einstein was a dumb ****. [b']Second, in a rested state your blood is generally saturated with oxygen,[/b] which means your blood cannot transport any more oxygen. It's like your car already has a full gas tank but you keep pumping the gasoline into it. What happens? the gas spills over and your car will go no further than any other similar car with the same full gas tank.

 

Two problems with your statement....

 

1) Everybody and their mama who has watched an MMA event (or been around fighters or anyone before an event) knows that it's impossible for these guys to be at a rested state. They go through almost a full blown workout in the locker rooms before they even come out to fight to warm up their bodies.

 

2) The last statement in the description of its usefulness says that the canister is also useful as a stress reliever...the adrenaline rush the fighters feel alone could cause them to go into an energy dump after the first few minutes of a fight....agree or disagree???

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Two problems with your statement....

 

1) Everybody and their mama who has watched an MMA event (or been around fighters or anyone before an event) knows that it's impossible for these guys to be at a rested state. They go through almost a full blown workout in the locker rooms before they even come out to fight to warm up their bodies.

 

Nah. I've watched them back there shadow boxing all the time. They are in great shape and are not taxing their oxygen reserves whatsoever. If they were' date=' [b']they wouldn't do it.[/b] They'd just stretch out a bit.

 

2) The last statement in the description of its usefulness says that the canister is also useful as a stress reliever...the adrenaline rush the fighters feel alone could cause them to go into an energy dump after the first few minutes of a fight....agree or disagree???

 

I doubt it, as, again, the oxygen has zero effect on someone who already has saturated blood-oxygen levels.

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It is supposed to help a fighter with breathing and basic overall fatigue.

 

Heres the Link

 

http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2803:the-magic-mystery-puffer-conspiracy-theory-from-strikeforce-houston&catid=35:events

 

What do you guys think' date=' worth any punishment?[/quote']

 

They are drugging our oxygen now?

 

What has this world come to.

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Nah. I've watched them back there shadow boxing all the time. They are in great shape and are not taxing their oxygen reserves whatsoever. If they were' date=' [b']they wouldn't do it.[/b] They'd just stretch out a bit.

 

 

 

I doubt it, as, again, the oxygen has zero effect on someone who already has saturated blood-oxygen levels.

 

I would say that's a false statement...."appearing" to be in good shape and having good cardio are two totally different things. There's obviously no resistance in shadow boxing, and who knows really how much oxygen and energy is being used? regardless when they step inside the ring/cage it's a totally different story all together and they know it's going to be.....i would argue that more guys than not actually have average to pretty bad cardio if were talking going 75% or more straight for three rounds...meaning that they can't go 75% or more for three straight rounds, I would be interested to know what the rest of the forum thinks. Guys like Clay Guida and GSP aren't as numerous as you think.

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i dont get why its illegal... or why advances in technology are illegal... just because there is a new product or mechanism in science that allows a fighter/athlete or w.e to be more successful does not mean it should be illegal.

 

I would agree if both fighters had the benefit of such technology, but the fact is, they don't therefor one always will gain an advantage, and then where does it stop? The fact someone has less access to these technologies, with economic means, or geography, whatever, shouldn't allow some other fighter an advantage.

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I would agree if both fighters had the benefit of such technology' date=' but the fact is, they don't therefor one always will gain an advantage, and then where does it stop? The fact someone has less access to these technologies, with economic means, or geography, whatever, shouldn't allow some other fighter an advantage.[/quote']

 

Agreed. But to further simplify.

 

Why complicate things? Why add ONE more component to the mix? What happens if you forget YOUR Oxygen on the way to the cage? It's only REALLY okay/fair if BOTH have it.

 

So instead of adding a variable and increasing complexity. JUST KEEP IT ILLEGAL!

 

Both guys have a set of lungs and the air in their environment. It makes everything equal and easier to keep track of.

 

How F-ing frustrating would it be if we had to start reading/listening to conversations about so and so losing because "Didn't you see, he forgot his oxygen in between rounds...the cut man took too long!" etc...

 

Screw that...to me it's a REALLY stupid idea to allow it. It's fair as it is right now regarding the rule. And it doesn't take ANY work to make it fair. You just show up and go.

 

Cheers gentlemen!

 

-DR

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explain why it would be banned than even if used in small amounts??

 

If you actually look at the list you will see that it ISNT expressly banned. It just isnt expressly allowed either. Its probably something fairly new and since athletic commissions work slowly most of the time it just hasnt been addressed yet.

 

I doubt it gives much edge anyway and *****ing about it sounds stupid. Pure air has a lot of drawbacks as well and clearly didnt do squat for king mo.

 

For christ sakes, it oxygen. Not steroids. Get over it. Studies have shown for years that drinking caffiene before a work out improves stamina and recovery. Next your all going to be *****ing if one guy has more coffee in the morning then the other guy.

 

Maybe one guy smokes? He's at a disadvantage cardio wise. Better damage the other guys somehow so its all fair........ cant have any advantages now.

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Does anyone else think it's odd that the Commission didn't drug test a single person from this card?

 

I think the Texas commission doesn't have the same drug policy as the Nevada commission. Thats why when most big promotions like the UFC go down they have to hire a 3rd party drug testing company.

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If you actually look at the list you will see that it ISNT expressly banned. It just isnt expressly allowed either. Its probably something fairly new and since athletic commissions work slowly most of the time it just hasnt been addressed yet.

 

I doubt it gives much edge anyway and *****ing about it sounds stupid. Pure air has a lot of drawbacks as well and clearly didnt do squat for king mo.

 

For christ sakes' date=' it oxygen. Not steroids. Get over it. Studies have shown for years that drinking caffiene before a work out improves stamina and recovery. Next your all going to be *****ing if one guy has more coffee in the morning then the other guy.

 

Maybe one guy smokes? He's at a disadvantage cardio wise. Better damage the other guys somehow so its all fair........ cant have any advantages now.[/quote']

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I think the point is principle regardless of whether it gives you an advantage or not. Who wants to see a guy huffing on something just before he enters a cage or gets ready to fight???? It arouses suspicion whether it creates an harmless advantage or not. It just seems like it would make more sense to do it in private than out in the open for everyone to see. it's sort of like the biblical principle of "not letting your good be evil spoken of...". A totally innocent act can be misconstrued in so many different ways when brought before the public eye. The fact is that it is human nature for people to judge upon sight first and ask questions later. I just think there should be obvious discretion when it comes to certain things (especially with steroids and HGH being such a problem in professional sports). People have big concerns about making sure they are getting a pure product. The fact they didn't test after the event makes it even more suspicious and challenges the legitimacy of it despite the end results of the fight.

 

Of course the bigger point is that if indeed it does create an advantage (i.e. have performance enhancing qualities...who really knows???) than all fighters should be allowed to use it or it should be banned immediately. if it's made legal though of course where do we stop with whats allowed to be used before a fight?? It just seems like you're opening up a can of worms.

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I think the Texas commission doesn't have the same drug policy as the Nevada commission. Thats why when most big promotions like the UFC go down they have to hire a 3rd party drug testing company.

 

This is correct, the first time the UFC went to Texas they didn't know that the State doesn't drug test, 3rd party company was needed, so everyone on that card did not go through a drug test.

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