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Alright this is getting fairly ridiculous in my opinion.

A case can be made for Shogun and Penn seeing as they both lost decisions but Sonnen was finished plain and simple.

So what in your opinion should constitute a fighter getting an immediate rematch for the title?

Penn should work his way back up. Sonnen as$-raped Silva for 4.5 rounds, i think he deserves a rematch

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Alright this is getting fairly ridiculous in my opinion.

A case can be made for Shogun and Penn seeing as they both lost decisions but Sonnen was finished plain and simple.

So what in your opinion should constitute a fighter getting an immediate rematch for the title?

 

i think a close decision should bj/rua

 

But if its 4 rounds to 1 nope

 

if you finsh the fight nope

 

DQ situational

 

i would even say fight stop due to injury/cut

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Alright this is getting fairly ridiculous in my opinion.

A case can be made for Shogun and Penn seeing as they both lost decisions but Sonnen was finished plain and simple.

So what in your opinion should constitute a fighter getting an immediate rematch for the title?

 

If Belfort was going to fight him then who else? I'd rather see Sonnen again than someone who never really had a chance against Anderson.

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I voted split D but I just as much am for controversial D! controversial means = Was it a fair stoppage, AND split D also does, in my opinion... the reason behind my thought on the last part is that the judges weren't coming to consenses of who won which round(s) and what not which equals controversy from the judges' fight view... IMO that is :)

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If Belfort was going to fight him then who else? I'd rather see Sonnen again than someone who never really had a chance against Anderson.

 

Anderson is out for a while. Belfort could fight another guy in a tune up fight and then fight for the title and if he loses whoever beat him should have earned a shot.

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I think Dana said Belfort isn't getting him next. I'd rather see Sonnen/Silva 2 than anything else.

 

I could say the same about Brock/Carwin 2. At the very least Sonnen should have had to go fight someone else in the mean time to prove that he's still the top contender. After a decisive loss like that nobody should get an immediate rematch.

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I could say the same about Brock/Carwin 2. At the very least Sonnen should have had to go fight someone else in the mean time to prove that he's still the top contender. After a decisive loss like that nobody should get an immediate rematch.

 

The HW division is stacked though and there are plenty for Brock to fight. All that is left for Anderson is rematches.

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The HW division is stacked though and there are plenty for Brock to fight. All that is left for Anderson is rematches.

 

Silva is out until what next spring? There are plenty of guys fighting decent opponents and could be ready for a title shot by the time he is ready to fight again.

If Palhares beats Maia he would be ready for a title shot and that wouldn't be a rematch.

Okami, Leben, and Belfort will all most likely have at least another fight before he gets back and they would all be on a winning streak.

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Silva is out until what next spring? There are plenty of guys fighting decent opponents and could be ready for a title shot by the time he is ready to fight again.

If Palhares beats Maia he would be ready for a title shot and that wouldn't be a rematch.

Okami' date=' Leben, and Belfort will all most likely have at least another fight before he gets back and they would all be on a winning streak.[/quote']

 

A BJJ guy isn't going to beat Anderson at all. You need a strong wrestler or someone with good stand up to beat Anderson. Okami would get KO'd, same with Leben, and i want Belfort to fight but i think Dana said no.

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Yeah' date=' Dana said no to Vitor and i'm a huge Wandy fan but he isn't ready at all. His last win was against Bisping and he has 2 losses before that.[/quote']

 

So?

I'd still rather see either of those fight than have watch Silva vs Sonnen 2.

Besides, all you Chael guys should be SCREAMING for Wandy to get the shot! If Chael rocked Anderson with those wild, looping punches.. just imagine what Wandy could do! ;)

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A BJJ guy isn't going to beat Anderson at all. You need a strong wrestler or someone with good stand up to beat Anderson. Okami would get KO'd' date=' same with Leben, and i want Belfort to fight but i think Dana said no.[/quote']

 

Palhares is tailor made to beat Anderson on the ground.

He is strong enough to take him down and he has the BJJ to finish him while he's down.

Dana didn't say no to Belfort. Belfort said he wasn't gonna wait for Anderson.

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Nothing deserves an instant rematch for the title. Shogun didn't deserve it, Penn doesn't deserve it, Sonnen doesn't deserve it...

 

That said, I was VERY please with how the Machida/Shogun event turned out, and I'm happy to see Sonnen get another shot. But they didn't deserve it...

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Nothing deserves an instant rematch for the title. Shogun didn't deserve it' date=' Penn doesn't deserve it, Sonnen doesn't deserve it...

 

That said, I was VERY please with how the Machida/Shogun event turned out, and I'm happy to see Sonnen get another shot. But they didn't deserve it...[/quote']

 

I wouldn't go that far.

Even though I think Lyoto clearly won the first fight, I still believed Shogun deserved the rematch.

Up until that point, nobody had even come CLOSE to touching Lyoto.. nevermind possibly winning a round or even the fight. Couple that, with the fact that there really wasn't anybody else, and I think it makes a lot of sense.

 

With Penn and Sonnen, however, there are clearly other options.

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If its a title fight and you don't know who won when it goes to the judges, rematch.

Otherwise it has to be real close.

 

I do think Silva Sonnen is an extrordinary case however, Silva was previsouly un-touchable and Sonnen touched him up for 23 minutes while Silva showed almost nothing. Was this ribs or just technique or Silva under esitmating sonnen, I dunno lets have a rematch and find out.

 

Yes Silva won without need for the judges but after seeing that fight if you didn't think a rematch was coming you are delusional. UFC is a business and people (including me) want to see the rematch and will pay to do so. Sure to die hards this may not be fair but these guys are names now and having them fight out a rematch is just logical.

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And what is the basis for this opinion?

 

Penn Edgar

Machida Shogun 1

Jacare Kennedy in SF

Grabowski Barrett in BFC

Cruz Benavides in WEC

Varner Shalorus in WEC

 

i understand don't let it go to the judges but if it has to it has to be better then these fights were judged

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Penn Edgar

Machida Shogun 1

Jacare Kennedy in SF

Grabowski Barrett in BFC

Cruz Benavides in WEC

Varner Shalorus in WEC

 

i understand don't let it go to the judges but if it has to it has to be better then these fights were judged

 

Not having seen Jacare vs Kennedy or Grabowsi vs Barrett, I can't comment on those fights at this time. However, I had the following..

 

Edgar > Penn

Machida > Shogun

Cruz > Benavidez

Varner > Shalorus (I've only seen the fight once, and don't exactly remember how I scored it.. though I will say it was extremely close and I had no problem with the decision).

 

I can understand how some people feel like Benavidez should have got the nod, as rounds 1, 2 and 5 all could have gone either way. Unfortunately for Joseph, rounds 3 and 4 were easily Cruz'. When rounds are so close, opinion comes into play.

Say what you will about the decisions, but you have to admit, from a non-biased standpoint, that all of those fights were extremely close.

 

I think Frankin vs Hendo was worse than any of those, as I believe Franklin won rounds 1 and 3.

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Not having seen Jacare vs Kennedy or Grabowsi vs Barrett' date=' I can't comment on those fights at this time. However, I had the following..

 

Edgar > Penn

Machida > Shogun

Cruz > Benavidez

Varner > Shalorus (I've only seen the fight once, and don't exactly remember how I scored it.. though I will say it was extremely close and I had no problem with the decision).

 

I can understand how some people feel like Benavidez should have got the nod, as rounds 1, 2 and 5 all could have gone either way. Unfortunately for Joseph, rounds 3 and 4 were easily Cruz'. When rounds are so close, opinion comes into play.

Say what you will about the decisions, but you have to admit, from a non-biased standpoint, that all of those fights were extremely close.

 

I think Frankin vs Hendo was worse than any of those, as I believe Franklin won rounds 1 and 3.[/quote']

 

i think Benavides won, the whole thing is there IS a way to fix things, even something as easy as giving the judges each a tv so they're not looking at feet the whole time, definitely a different scoring system would be a better choice

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i think Benavides won' date=' the whole thing is there IS a way to fix things, even something as easy as giving the judges each a tv so they're not looking at feet the whole time, definitely a different scoring system would be a better choice[/quote']

 

Cruz Dominated that fight.

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MMAEars

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I could say the same about Brock/Carwin 2. At the very least Sonnen should have had to go fight someone else in the mean time to prove that he's still the top contender. After a decisive loss like that nobody should get an immediate rematch.

 

Except that Silva was the one that was decisively losing... LOL~!

 

 

That sub was like Russow's flash KO of twinkle toes Duffee.

 

He was getting owned and lucked into it.

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Alright this is getting fairly ridiculous in my opinion.

A case can be made for Shogun and Penn seeing as they both lost decisions but Sonnen was finished plain and simple.

So what in your opinion should constitute a fighter getting an immediate rematch for the title?

 

Its actually pretty obvious

 

GIVE THE FANS WHAT THEY WANT.

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Except that Silva was the one that was decisively losing... LOL~!

 

 

That sub was like Russow's flash KO of twinkle toes Duffee.

 

He was getting owned and lucked into it.

 

Chael tapped with Andersons nuts in his face...like he did with Maia...and Sobral...and Forrest.

See a pattern?

Luck had nothing to do with it Sonnen has no sub defense.

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it's not about Sonnen deserving an immediate rematch...the UFC has a job to put on exciting fights...Sonnen is the one Silva opponent who made it an exciting fight...this fight is happening because the first fight was exciting and the rematch can make more money...nothing to do with Sonnen deserving a rematch....

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i think Benavides won' date=' the whole thing is there IS a way to fix things, even something as easy as giving the judges each a tv so they're not looking at feet the whole time, definitely a different scoring system would be a better choice[/quote']

 

Who were you cheering for in that fight? I'm thinking you were probably predicting/hoping for Benavidez to win the fight. Just my opinion, though.

TV's aren't the 'be-all-end-all' solution to the judging 'problem'. Sometimes, certain camera angles and/or changes can cause you to miss something that they would otherwise be seeing. Since it all happens live and extremely quick, you can't really afford to be missing things because of an untimely camera change.

 

About implementing a new scoring system..

I think you're just calling for it mainly because the fighters you like are losing close decisions. You, like many others, would rather blame the scoring system instead of the fighter that didn't do enough to win the fight.

 

definitely didn't dominate but grappling was his key to victory

 

And it rightfully should have been. When the stand-up is extremely close, one takedown could, and should, determine the round. It only makes sense!

Furthermore, you need to realise that Cruz was the aggressor for most of the fight, which also helped him win the rounds.

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Alright this is getting fairly ridiculous in my opinion.

A case can be made for Shogun and Penn seeing as they both lost decisions but Sonnen was finished plain and simple.

So what in your opinion should constitute a fighter getting an immediate rematch for the title?

 

A controversial decision is the only legit reason imo (baring the freak accidents like Randy/Vitor)

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Chael tapped with Andersons nuts in his face...like he did with Maia...and Sobral...and Forrest.

See a pattern?

Luck had nothing to do with it Sonnen has no sub defense.

 

It was a lucky sub, like any flash KO.

 

2 more minutes and Silva would have lost by domination.

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Regardless of who yoour fave is, Sonnen dominated Silva, and dominated him hard.

 

Silva got lucky with the sub. To get pounded for 4.5rounds straight then pull off a submission win means you got lucky. Maybe the submission wasn't lucky, but the fact that he got shat on all fight then pulled out the win = luck.

 

So that's why we need a rematch, so Silva can prove himself properly.

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It was a lucky sub' date=' like any flash KO.

 

2 more minutes and Silva would have lost by domination.[/quote']

 

Regardless of who yoour fave is' date=' Sonnen dominated Silva, and dominated him hard.

 

Silva got lucky with the sub. To get pounded for 4.5rounds straight then pull off a submission win means you got lucky. Maybe the submission wasn't lucky, but the fact that he got shat on all fight then pulled out the win = luck.

 

So that's why we need a rematch, so Silva can prove himself properly.[/quote']

 

Fools, luck had nothing to do with it. He was setting up that triangle the whole fight.

 

Bad sub defense and lazyness had everything to do with it!!

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definitely a controversial decision needs to get an immediate rematch.fans is having a hard time accepting the fact that silva pulled an out of nowhere sub in the 5th rd.its not fair for the fighter next for the title shot.we are used to seeing silva dominating and for the first time we saw him got dominated.is it really about the injury?is it just a lucky sub?just to put and ending to the first fight and majority of the decision of an immediate rematch is because it will make more money and the fans wants to see it.

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