new article - my top 10 UFC fighters of all time

[2below]

hey as some of you know I'm a sports writer for the newsblog IndyPosted.com. I just posted a new article regarding my top 10 UFC fighters of all time. check it out if you are interested or have some extra time. give me feedback. agree or disagree? all comments are welcome!

 

http://indyposted.com/83168/top-10-ufc-fighters-of-all-time/

[LesIsANar]

hey as some of you know I'm a sports writer for the newsblog IndyPosted.com. I just posted a new article regarding my top 10 UFC fighters of all time. check it out if you are interested or have some extra time. give me feedback. agree or disagree? all comments are welcome!

 

http://indyposted.com/83168/top-10-ufc-fighters-of-all-time/

 

I just read the article.. it's a very good one indeed! the only thing I disagree on is the GSP part... when you say that he "essentially haven't lost" due to he revenged his only 2 losses... IMHO that's not how a fighting record works... other than that.. a very nice top 10 and many of your spots are picked right

[2below]

I just read the article.. it's a very good one indeed! the only thing I disagree on is the GSP part... when you say that he "essentially haven't lost" due to he revenged his only 2 losses... IMHO that's not how a fighting record works... other than that.. a very nice top 10 and many of your spots are picked right

 

thanks man. good point on that, I'll make sure to change that. This is exactly what I'm looking for by posting these articles so I appreciate your feedback because you guys are who I'm writing for!

[cyberspider13]

hm...i agree,im not sure about the order but if i would make a list i would use pretty much the same fighters.nice job

[Tweak]

hey as some of you know I'm a sports writer for the newsblog IndyPosted.com. I just posted a new article regarding my top 10 UFC fighters of all time. check it out if you are interested or have some extra time. give me feedback. agree or disagree? all comments are welcome!

 

http://indyposted.com/83168/top-10-ufc-fighters-of-all-time/

 

I agree with every bit of your list. I like that you put some time and thought into voicing your opinions unlike the regular morons on this forum. This thread has some class about it.

[Craig_M]

Nice article. I look foward to reading more!

[LesIsANar]

thanks man. good point on that' date=' I'll make sure to change that. This is exactly what I'm looking for by posting these articles so I appreciate your feedback because you guys are who I'm writing for![/quote']

 

np

[raffy_handsome]

No Brock Lesnar, your article fails.

[cyberspider13]

No Brock Lesnar' date=' your article fails.[/quote']

 

look who is back!!!sorry but lesnar has nothhing to do with that list.u r fail

[Craig_M]

No Brock Lesnar' date=' your article fails.[/quote']

 

Lesnar has only had 5 fights in the UFC, and has lost 1 of them. He is farfrom top 20 never mind top 10.

 

He is good, but cant be great after only 5 ufc fights.

[karljhorn]

I think you should be more controversial in your article.

[Bananabread]

To the person saying 'no Brock Lesnar in the list'.

 

Brock shouldn't even be close to being in the p4p top 10. Even if he beats his next 3 opponents in the same fashion, he won't earn a spot. He's usually much heavier and bigger than the guys he fights. If BJ Penn for example was the same size as Brock, he'd lose the fight because Brock has more skills amirite? No.

 

Same with pretty much all the fighters on that list. I like Brock but he ain't a 'skilled' fighter as such, he can manhandle people because of his size and strength, this isn't what p4p is about.

[raffy_handsome]

To the person saying 'no Brock Lesnar in the list'.

 

Brock shouldn't even be close to being in the p4p top 10. Even if he beats his next 3 opponents in the same fashion' date=' he won't earn a spot. He's usually much heavier and bigger than the guys he fights. If BJ Penn for example was the same size as Brock, he'd lose the fight because Brock has more skills amirite? No.

 

Same with pretty much all the fighters on that list. I like Brock but he ain't a 'skilled' fighter as such, he can manhandle people because of his size and strength, this isn't what p4p is about.[/quote']

 

If Penn is also 265 lbs he'll be not a better striker than Carwin and also not powerful as Carwin. But you see Brock submitted Carwin, a man as big (265 lbs) as he is.

Brock will dismantle those 265 lbs guys whom as big as he is, guys like Antonio Silva, Overeem, Bret Rogers.

[Exodus9mm]

You've definitely got the names right.....I might tweak some of the order a bit, but overall, well done.

[Exodus9mm]

No Brock Lesnar' date=' your article fails.[/quote']

 

Forgot to take your meds today I see.......

[BrownRukus]

I mean no dis-respect to the OP... but when I look @ the list its sad that those are the top ten UFC fighters of all time. Yeh I undestand these old heads like Mark,Gracie,Shamrock did their part for the sport when it was small... I cannot accept the fact that these fighters are in the top ten UFC of all time. Plus BJ is on that list.... my hatred for this guy is unbelievable hes a good fighter when he wants to be but once that mouth opens up he sounds like a ******.

[BrownRukus]

Also under the Randy Couture part..

 

Won heavyweight belt 3 times, defended total of 3 times

 

 

Does that mean he never defended the title consecutively?

[2below]

hm...i agree' date='im not sure about the order but if i would make a list i would use pretty much the same fighters.nice job[/quote']

 

thanks man. out of curiosity what would your order be?

[2below]

I agree with every bit of your list. I like that you put some time and thought into voicing your opinions unlike the regular morons on this forum. This thread has some class about it.

 

thanks dude i appreciate it!

[2below]

Nice article. I look foward to reading more!

 

thanks for taking your time to read it. all of this means a lot to me because my ultimate dream would to be an analyst for the UFC.

[2below]

You've definitely got the names right.....I might tweak some of the order a bit' date=' but overall, well done.[/quote']

 

thanks Ex, appreciate the feedback. what would you tweak about the order? just curious to see others' opinions.

[cyberspider13]

thanks man. out of curiosity what would your order be?

 

 

well,talking always about their ufc archivmeds(<-am i writing it right?)i would meaby switch coleman with shamrock and gsp with hughes,but nothing dramatic

[elmontro]

2 Below, i have some critics on your list that goes as follow.

 

As much as i liked Frank Shamrock's run in the UFC as he went undefeated it was a short one, 4-0 i think so he shoulnt be on that list.

 

If you're going to put Mark Coleman then you forgot Dan Severn over him he was more accomplished in The UFC but retired before the belt system came into place and the fact that Coleman lost to Pete Williams drops him out of that list .

 

Randy and Chuck have done so much for the sport but because they just dont know when to heng em up they have put their legacy on Jeopardy, i mean most of the casual fans will just remember Chuck for being a punching bag. And randy has won a lot of fights but has lost a lot as well so maybe they shouldnt be so high in the rankings.

 

Silva, GSP, Royce, Hughes and Penn should be the top five you should also consider Jonh Fitch who has the 2nd Best Record in UFC History second only to Silva.

 

Good overall selection tough

[2below]

2 Below' date=' i have some critics on your list that goes as follow.

 

As much as i liked Frank Shamrock's run in the UFC as he went undefeated it was a short one, 4-0 i think so he shoulnt be on that list.

 

If you're going to put Mark Coleman then you forgot Dan Severn over him he was more accomplished in The UFC but retired before the belt system came into place and the fact that Coleman lost to Pete Williams drops him out of that list .

 

Randy and Chuck have done so much for the sport but because they just dont know when to heng em up they have put their legacy on Jeopardy, i mean most of the casual fans will just remember Chuck for being a punching bag. And randy has won a lot of fights but has lost a lot as well so maybe they shouldnt be so high in the rankings.

 

Silva, GSP, Royce, Hughes and Penn should be the top five you should also consider Jonh Fitch who has the 2nd Best Record in UFC History second only to Silva.

 

Good overall selection tough[/quote']

 

Who do you think should replace Shamrock then? and you do know that coleman beat severn to become the first ever UFC heavyweight champion, right?.. so severn did not retire before the belt system.

 

I'm not going to comment on your randy and chuck statements because that's just ludicrous to say casual fans will remember them as punching bags. i don't see how you can argue chuck and randy out of the top 5. randy couture has taken part in 15 championship bouts... enough said.

 

jon fitch? fitch has never won a title in the UFC. yes, he's won a lot of fights, but championships matter most. people are going to remember GSP and Matt Hughes long after Fitch disappears.

 

i don't see why you think penn should be in the top 5 over randy and chuck

 

sorry for countering your criticism harshly, i just don't think you explained your points well enough and you stated that severn should beat out coleman even though coleman beat severn for the UFC HW championship... after you said severn retired before the belt system...

[Kristufa]

You have Royce too high IMO

The rest are debatable.

 

But anyways, nice work.

[2below]

You have Royce too high IMO

The rest are debatable.

 

But anyways' date=' nice work.[/quote']

 

thanks.

 

i just think Royce was such a key component to the early growth of the UFC, but i understand your skepticism.

[Technique]

This is a very hard thing to do because you have to consider the era and the state of fighting in MMA at the time of each of these fighters careers, and you did exactly that. I think your list is spot on.

 

Keep up the good writing man!

[BrownRukus]

Who do you think should replace Shamrock then? and you do know that coleman beat severn to become the first ever UFC heavyweight champion' date=' right?.. so severn did not retire before the belt system.

 

I'm not going to comment on your randy and chuck statements because that's just ludicrous to say casual fans will remember them as punching bags. i don't see how you can argue chuck and randy out of the top 5.[b'] randy couture has taken part in 15 championship bouts[/b]... enough said.

 

jon fitch? fitch has never won a title in the UFC. yes, he's won a lot of fights, but championships matter most. people are going to remember GSP and Matt Hughes long after Fitch disappears.

 

i don't see why you think penn should be in the top 5 over randy and chuck

 

sorry for countering your criticism harshly, i just don't think you explained your points well enough and you stated that severn should beat out coleman even though coleman beat severn for the UFC HW championship... after you said severn retired before the belt system...

 

 

I would like too know how many of those times was he defending the belt and fighting for the belt?

[2below]

I would like too know how many of those times was he defending the belt and fighting for the belt?

 

he won HW belt at UFC japan

won HW belt against randleman

then he defended the belt twice then lost it to barnett, but barnett tested positive for roids

he then fought again for the HW belt, but lost

 

then he went on to win the interim lhw belt

then he won the real lhw belt, then lost the belt, then won it again and lost it again

he then fought chuck for the lhw belt again and lost

then he beat sylvia for the hw belt, defended it once and lost it again.

[uaquin]

Agree with most of it but I do have to point out one inconsistancy in your thought process.

 

Liddell is also a member of the UFC hall of fame and was once the 4-time defending UFC Light Heavyweight Champion. He is 2-0 against the other once-dominant light heavyweight champion, Tito Ortiz (hence why he gets a higher spot on my rankings).

 

Yet you do not use the same logic in ranking Hughes over GSP.

 

Oh and Royce. Was he really that good or did he just have something no one had seen before?

[2below]

This is a very hard thing to do because you have to consider the era and the state of fighting in MMA at the time of each of these fighters careers' date=' and you did exactly that. I think your list is spot on.

 

Keep up the good writing man![/quote']

 

thanks for recognizing that dude! appreciate the input, especially since i consider you one of the more knowledgeable people on these forums.

 

it was tough to form this list because there are so many great fighters past and present, but i took UFC history, opponents and championship credentials into my equation to form this list. i'm pretty happy with the turnout, but i do believe you could switch around a few and the list would still work. everyone has an opinion on the top 10 fighters so it's so damn hard to get it right.

[BrownRukus]

he won HW belt at UFC japan

won HW belt against randleman

then he defended the belt twice then lost it to barnett' date=' but barnett tested positive for roids

he then fought again for the HW belt, but lost

 

then he went on to win the interim lhw belt

then he won the real lhw belt, then lost the belt, then won it again and lost it again

he then fought chuck for the lhw belt again and lost

then he beat sylvia for the hw belt, defended it once and lost it again.[/quote']

 

So correct me if I am wrong out of 15 champion bouts we won 9 times and successfully defended the belt 3 times?

[2below]

Agree with most of it but I do have to point out one inconsistancy in your thought process.

 

 

 

Yet you do not use the same logic in ranking Hughes over GSP.

 

this is true but in my thought process hughes' 7 title defenses eclipses the gsp/hughes saga. when GSP has 7 or more title defenses he can go above hughes as the most dominant WW of all time

 

thanks for the input

[2below]

Oh and Royce. Was he really that good or did he just have something no one had seen before?

 

IMO Royce deserves the number 2 spot. he was there in the beginning (literally) and won 3 out of the first 4 UFC tournaments against opponents of all weights and sizes. he was that good at doing something no one had ever seen before.

[2below]

So correct me if I am wrong out of 15 champion bouts we won 9 times and successfully defended the belt 3 times?

 

6 wins (including the lhw interim championship) and 3 defenses.

 

9 total wins out of 15 championship bouts. incredible.

[Kristufa]

IMO Royce deserves the number 2 spot. he was there in the beginning (literally) and won 3 out of the first 4 UFC tournaments against opponents of all weights and sizes. he was that good at doing something no one had ever seen before.

Pulling hair and low blows?

[2below]

Pulling hair and low blows?

 

hey there was a time and a place for that

[uaquin]

this is true but in my thought process hughes' 7 title defenses eclipses the gsp/hughes saga. when GSP has 7 or more title defenses he can go above hughes as the most dominant WW of all time

 

thanks for the input

 

True, and like you said it's hard when comparing eras. Hughes reigned over the division at a different time. I think GSP has over all fought tougher opponents than Hughes did as MMA has grown and evolved so much in the last 5-10 years and it will be harder to run up 7 title defenses now than in the earlier years.

[2below]

True' date=' and like you said it's hard when comparing eras. Hughes reigned over the division at a different time. I think GSP has over all fought tougher opponents than Hughes did as MMA has grown and evolved so much in the last 5-10 years and it will be harder to run up 7 title defenses now than in the earlier years.[/quote']

 

yeah man it's just so hard to compare GSP and Hughes. GSP is now fighting some of the best conditioned athletes we have ever seen and MMA evolves so quickly and rapidly. They were champs during different eras, so this was one of the hardest rankings for me to do. when it came down to it hughes had more title defenses and defenses are what matters most, IMO.

 

but i see how someone could argue GSP above Hughes, just like Hughes above GSP. it's tough man

[BrownRukus]

yeah man it's just so hard to compare GSP and Hughes. GSP is now fighting some of the best conditioned athletes we have ever seen and MMA evolves so quickly and rapidly. They were champs during different eras' date=' so this was one of the hardest rankings for me to do. when it came down to it hughes had more title defenses and [b']defenses are what matters most, IMO[/b].

 

but i see how someone could argue GSP above Hughes, just like Hughes above GSP. it's tough man

 

That's what makes a champion, defending the belt. Since you say that explain too me the Couture situation. Only 3 title defenses? Can you agree he is inconsistent? There were people like Hughes in his era who dominated their own weight class, but he was jumping from weight class to weigh class. Really if you ask me he was irrelevant in the LHW division since he never successfully defended the belt. IMO people rate Couture too high, yeh hes done alot for the sport but as a fighter not alot.

[2below]

That's what makes a champion' date=' defending the belt. Since you say that explain too me the Couture situation. Only 3 title defenses? Can you agree he is inconsistent? There were people like Hughes in his era who dominated their own weight class, but he was jumping from weight class to weigh class. Really if you ask me he was irrelevant in the LHW division since he never successfully defended the belt. IMO people rate Couture too high, yeh hes done alot for the sport [b']but as a fighter not alot.[/b]

 

you really think so? i strongly disagree, but to each their own.

[elmontro]

Who do you think should replace Shamrock then? and you do know that coleman beat severn to become the first ever UFC heavyweight champion' date=' right?.. so severn did not retire before the belt system.

 

I'm not going to comment on your randy and chuck statements because that's just ludicrous to say casual fans will remember them as punching bags. i don't see how you can argue chuck and randy out of the top 5. randy couture has taken part in 15 championship bouts... enough said.

 

jon fitch? fitch has never won a title in the UFC. yes, he's won a lot of fights, but championships matter most. people are going to remember GSP and Matt Hughes long after Fitch disappears.

 

i don't see why you think penn should be in the top 5 over randy and chuck

 

sorry for countering your criticism harshly, i just don't think you explained your points well enough and you stated that severn should beat out coleman even though coleman beat severn for the UFC HW championship... after you said severn retired before the belt system...[/quote']

 

Ok, first of all my mistake on the Severn info it is true that Coleman beat Severn to be the first UFC HW Champ but he never defended it once and he lost 5 of his next 6 fights ending with an unimpresive 7-5 UFC Record. Severn won two UFC's including an Ultimate Ultimate wich featured a selection of the best fighters from UFC 1-7 in which i believe the winner was more significant that UFC 10 or 11. So i think the fact that Coleman beat Severn isnt reason enough to put him on top of him.

 

Regarding Chuck and Randy they both have lost 7 times each, thats the most by any former UFC champ in the history of the sport, in fact i dont think there are that many guys in the UFC that have lost 7 times. I think the fact that they extended their career for too long have put their legacies in jeopardy eventhough they are fan favorites, but you have to remain objective.

 

The Last Time Chuck won big was in 2006, after that he has been on the short end of brutal ko's excluding that close decision he won vs. an overrated Wandy, who was a perfect match for Chuck.

 

If you think Fitch doesnt belong because he hasnt been champion i will give you that, he had one title shot but he fell short but you cant use titles or title fights as a factor because Brock had a title shot after two fights and he won the title, so did Anderson Silva so did Ricco Rodriguez, Fitch won 7 straight before getting a title shot now he's won 5 straight to get another one even GSP had a title fight in his third fight so bottom line the UFC does not have a convincing ranking system and title fights and contender fights are determined by Joe Silva and Dana White, Geez Big Country would've gotten a title shot if he had beaten JDS but if you need to carry a title to be on your list then Fitch would be out by you standards not the objective standards.

 

Fitch career is far from over however GSP still young so i think Fitch will remain a shadow of GSP title wise speaking but as today Fitch holds a better record than anyone in the UFC, and let's not talk competition because all of those guys have beaten cans and most of them have been beaten by cans so thats irrelevante here

[Kaney]

yeah,im a Lesnar fan too but when he will defeat Cain and then JDS by a brutal ground and pound,then he will make it to the top 10.

 

and to the article,i pretty much aggree,every guy on that article meant something to UFC and pretty much make UFC popular.But you really shouldn't forget Rich Franklin who is a big big name for UFC too,actually i would replace him with Mark coleman who is more a PRIDE guy than UFC guy...and i would DEFINITELY replace Frank Shamrock because he fought at UFC only 5 times,at least i would replace him with his brother Ken Shamrock who is a bigger name for UFC than Frank

[2below]

yeah' date='im a Lesnar fan too but when he will defeat Cain and then JDS by a brutal ground and pound,then he will make it to the top 10.

 

and to the article,i pretty much aggree,every guy on that article meant something to UFC and pretty much make UFC popular.But you really shouldn't forget Rich Franklin who is a big big name for UFC too,actually i would replace him with Mark coleman who is more a PRIDE guy than UFC guy...[/quote']

 

yeah man I had Ace teetering right outside of my top 10 (he's one of my all-time favorites). it was tough but i decided to leave him out of it.

 

thanks for your input