Carwin vs Dos Santos...who wins?

[Strongest_minds_prevail]

I dont know who wins for sure but Im pretty sure this fight doesnt go to the scorecards...hahaha.

[uaquin]

Before the Nelson fight I would have said Carwin. But, having seen JDS take some big shots from Nelson who has proved KO power I think JDS could win a stand up battle with Carwin. Gonzaga rocked Carwin an he is not known as a power puncher like JDS.

 

Could go either way for sure.

[bmorrow10]

JDS cant finish nelson so carwin by first round KO

[MrDevil]

Carwin is much heavy hander so JDS will get owned in da first min

[Chuck42]

JDS wins. JDS will be able to withstand the bombs and have some serious counter stirkes. plus JDS can take the fight to the ground if he gets into trouble and we all saw Carwins skills when he is being put on his back.

 

My vote is 2nd round TKO G'n'P JDS

[uaquin]

JDS cant finish nelson so carwin by first round KO

 

Carwin has no where near the chin Nelson does.

[Hookster]

if jds can survive the 1st round-jds wins

[cyberspider13]

if jds can survive the 1st round-jds wins

 

this^

[PRIDEneverDIED]

other: Dana White

 

 

big numbers for that fight i bet. especically if its for a #1 contender spot

[Infamous505]

JDS no doubt carwin was rocked by Gonzaga who isnt that strong

[Slam_Man]

Did I miss something? I thought it was Nelson taking on Carwin and JDS gets the winner of the next title fight.

[PRIDEneverDIED]

Did I miss something? I thought it was Nelson taking on Carwin and JDS gets the winner of the next title fight.

 

i assume this is a hypothetical what if they fought type of poll

[The_Jack_Attack]

Junior Dos Santos is the more technical striker, I give it to him.

[FerociousKO]

Carwin may have more power but jds has power,speed and technique.

 

JDS by 1st round KO.

[Slam_Man]

If it is... then what a waste of time, this fight will not happen for a while if ever.......... how about a poll for Carwin vs Nelson, the fight that is actually happening next.

[silentson]

Jds would win imo but with a guy like Carwin it only takes one punch. Would be a great fight.

[freddievanhalen3]

i actually see Carwin winning... i just think he would be overwhelming for JDS

[mangoKush]

JDS by KO, he has a huge speed advantage

[MrStatDrop]

Ask Mir and Gonzaga who wins.

[wimpygimpet]

Here is my analysis on both fighters:

 

Carwin- Very powerful and has KO power... This is about it.

 

JDS- Also very powerful, Good cardio, Better boxing, KO power as well, and most importantly he has a pretty good speed advantage over Carwin.

 

JDS wins.

[CarlLane]

I dont know who wins for sure but Im pretty sure this fight doesnt go to the scorecards...hahaha.

 

a Carwin with cardio is a scary thought, against anybody other then Brock he could cut the weight down to improve cardio and me unstoppable

[The_Jack_Attack]

a Carwin with cardio is a scary thought' date=' against anybody other then Brock he could cut the weight down to improve cardio and me unstoppable[/quote']

 

Cardio wasn't the issue against lesnar.

 

http://prommanow.com/index.php/2010/07/05/shane-carwin-denies-lack-of-cardio-led-to-loss-against-lesnar-at-ufc-116/

[CarlLane]

Cardio wasn't the issue against lesnar.

 

http://prommanow.com/index.php/2010/07/05/shane-carwin-denies-lack-of-cardio-led-to-loss-against-lesnar-at-ufc-116/

 

ehh i'm not convinced, he just doesn't want to look like he didn't prepare properly and that he was just coming in looking for the KO

[freddievanhalen3]

i want to see JDS vs any top 5 guy and see how he handles it

[ForrestGriffinFan101]

Dos Santos wins easy.

 

Striking- Dos Santos

Speed- Dos Santos

Chin- Dos Santos

Power- Carwin

 

JDS by first round KO if it ever happened.

[LT_Chaos]

The ONLY advantage JDS has over Carwin is speed, and technique. Carwin is bigger, stronger, a much better wrestler, and produces a lot more power. JDS might have had a decent chin against Roy, but if he took one of those shots from Carwin, then he most likely would have been on the ground. Carwin took 3 very clean shots from Gonzaga, and nothing happened. He was phased, at most.

 

I feel that if Carwin felt JDS were getting the best of him on the feet, he'd clinch with him, drive him up against the cage, and either dirty box or take him down and contol the fight there.

 

JDS is a huge threat to anyone unable to take him down. However, against someone like Lesnar and Carwin with the size and wrestling background, I don't see him having too great of a chance.

[HIMBOB]

I just rewatched the Gonzaga hit(s) that rocked Carwin looks like one jab level hit followed by a well placed shot followed by another decent one. No doubt he looked a tad starry eyed for a second there, but it wasn't all that long. Seeing as this is the only real example of Carwin being hit I don't think it is enough to doubt his chin (lesson I learn from when he fought the no chin Brock). I don't think he looked any worse than Roy did when enduring the JDS punches, just that Roy took a bucket load of them.

 

Because of this I regard his chin as average for a HW until proven otherwise.

 

 

JDS's boxing,

No doubts its great but I don't personally consider him a power hitter. Not saying he is bad in this regard but I put his power as about roughly average of the top 20 HWs. His standout is speed and technique.

He will land more hits than Carwin but we all know how many hits Carwin needs.

 

 

 

ShogunFan123,

No mention of Carwin's wrestling pedigree? It aint Brock but dam its good.

 

I think this could be the deciding factor, JDS has more to fear from being taken down by a bigger guy with wrestling credentials and this will affect his boxing. I don't think Carwin has any fear of being taken down by a smaller BJJ guy. BJJ is always tricky once down but till then whenever a BJJ guy takes down a wrestler I consider that to be because he set it up with punches or simply out wrestled him (both hard to do against someone bigger + more experienced). JDS does have good TDD but still he has to give Carwin a serious wrestling advanatge.

 

 

 

So I think Carwin.

[HIMBOB]

The ONLY advantage JDS has over Carwin is speed' date=' and technique. Carwin is bigger, stronger, a much better wrestler, and produces a lot more power. JDS might have had a decent chin against Roy, but if he took one of those shots from Carwin, then he most likely would have been on the ground. Carwin took 3 very clean shots from Gonzaga, and nothing happened. He was phased, at most.

 

I feel that if Carwin felt JDS were getting the best of him on the feet, he'd clinch with him, drive him up against the cage, and either dirty box or take him down and contol the fight there.

 

JDS is a huge threat to anyone unable to take him down. However, against someone like Lesnar and Carwin with the size and wrestling background, I don't see him having too great of a chance.[/quote']

 

EXACTLY ,

Are you reading my thoughts before I post.

[HIMBOB]

ehh i'm not convinced' date=' he just doesn't want to look like he didn't prepare properly and that he was just coming in looking for the KO[/quote']

 

Fact: Carwin punched Lesnar over 100 time in round one.

 

Do the following,

Punch a bag nearly as hard as you can 50 times then you can have a break.

Break has been revoked do it another 25 times then you can have a break.

Break has been revoked do it another 25 times then you really can have a break.

 

If you have ever been asked to do something like that thinking the whole time you are about to get a break you would see why Carwin was done.

 

Was it smart of Carwin to get caught in the moment like that, HELL NO it cost him a title. This is why I think it was a lack of smart fighting and never having had to go to round two.

 

This was a rookie mistake that he made because he has seemingly strolled through everyone else in a couple of minutes at most.

 

I do not doubt he will learn his lesson from this. And actually even if he doesn't I think he can still grab a belt someday.

[PJSMAN]

I dont know who wins for sure but Im pretty sure this fight doesnt go to the scorecards...hahaha.

 

Carwin has much more power.....and is a much better wrestler!

[PJSMAN]

Cardio wasn't the issue against lesnar.

 

http://prommanow.com/index.php/2010/07/05/shane-carwin-denies-lack-of-cardio-led-to-loss-against-lesnar-at-ufc-116/

 

True +1

[MMAEars]

Easy win for JDS.

[NickTF]

JDS has better technical boxing and has shown good take down defense against who he's faced thus far; HOWEVER, did anyone else see Nelson push JDS agains the cage a few times. Did anyone see what Carwin did when he had Mir against the cage? Point, Carwin has a large chance of putting JDS against the cage where I don't see JDS winning. JDS's chin looked good against Nelson but that's not in the same League. Nelson has shown some good power but nothing like Carwin has. Further, Carwin can put this match on the ground. I don't see Carwin standing and trading with JDS, much like he didn't with Mir. Carwin has more ways to win imho.

[rodrodMMA92]

JDS.

 

Both have the KO power but JDS's technique is obviously better. Carwin has been tagged in a few of his fights against fighters with less power and technique so JDS should put the lights out...

 

I'd still watch the fight tho its a great fight.

[ForcexrecoN]

JDS easily.

 

Carwin has 0 gas tank and is sluggish as all hell.

[wimpygimpet]

The ONLY advantage JDS has over Carwin is speed' date=' and technique. Carwin is bigger, stronger, a much better wrestler, and produces a lot more power. JDS might have had a decent chin against Roy, but if he took one of those shots from Carwin, then he most likely would have been on the ground. Carwin took 3 very clean shots from Gonzaga, and nothing happened. He was phased, at most.

 

I feel that if Carwin felt JDS were getting the best of him on the feet, he'd clinch with him, drive him up against the cage, and either dirty box or take him down and contol the fight there.

 

JDS is a huge threat to anyone unable to take him down. However, against someone like Lesnar and Carwin with the size and wrestling background, I don't see him having too great of a chance.[/quote']

 

I don't see Carwin trying to take JDS down.

[xImportantThreadsx]

it will be like mitrione vs scott junk...two gassed out fighters boring me to death. i hope it never happens.

[LT_Chaos]

I don't see Carwin trying to take JDS down.

 

Well he wouldn't need to if he landed one of his 6" one hitter quitters, but if JDS were seeing more success in the standup, then that would be an option.

[LT_Chaos]

JDS easily.

 

Carwin has 0 gas tank and is sluggish as all hell.

 

Haha, always funny to see comments like this from guys with JDS in their avatar, and in their sig.

[wimpygimpet]

Well he wouldn't need to if he landed one of his 6" one hitter quitters' date=' but if JDS were seeing more success in the standup, then that would be an option.[/quote']

 

I think Carwin would just try and tough it out and KO him. In the stand up JDS would be beating him i have no doubt.

[LT_Chaos]

I think Carwin would just try and tough it out and KO him. In the stand up JDS would be beating him i have no doubt.

 

That's what I would assume, as well. If that were the case, Carwin has a lot more options. There a chance Carwin lands a bomb and sends JDS to the ground, or if he doesnt he picks him up and puts him there.

 

If Nelson can put JDS up against the cage, then Carwin would have no problem doing it. The only difference is when Carwin gets you up against the cage, you're in trouble.

[wimpygimpet]

That's what I would assume' date=' as well. If that were the case, Carwin has a lot more options. There a chance Carwin lands a bomb and sends JDS to the ground, or if he doesnt he picks him up and puts him there.

 

If Nelson can put JDS up against the cage, then Carwin would have no problem doing it. The only difference is when Carwin gets you up against the cage, you're in trouble.[/quote']

 

I can agree for the most part. But i have to put it like this.

 

Stand-up: JDS

 

Grappling: Carwin.

 

I see Carwin just standing with him and eventually getting KO'd.

[Nando_G]

You guys are trippin. Juniors boxing is way better than Shanes & he's faster.

[MysticKJ]

Carwin takes the win using the Greg Jackson gameplan of TDs or smothering JDS against the cage...

[LT_Chaos]

You guys are trippin. Juniors boxing is way better than Shanes & he's faster.

 

That's like saying James Toney will beat Couture because he has better boxing.

[Nando_G]

That's like saying James Toney will beat Couture because he has better boxing.

 

I wasn't talking about who would win in a fight. I was talking strictly striking, in which junior is more versatile. If they fought it'd be really close but I'd be leaning toward junior to pull it out. Shane can take him down & is a much better wrestler.

[MrKobayashi]

This is a crapshoot. Any of you who try to pull MMAthematics are fools. "JDS didn't finish Nelson, so Carwin would get him", "Gonzaga rocked Carwin so JDS could get him" etc. etc. Whoever connects solid wins this..Period. Both have lots of power. Both were exposed on their cardio, (strikes becoming less effective). This could go either way. Any other statement is biased.

[HIMBOB]

Any of you who try to pull MMAthematics are fools. "JDS didn't finish Nelson' date=' so Carwin would get him", "Gonzaga rocked Carwin so JDS could get him" etc. etc. [/quote']

 

I disagree, If you have a reason for thinking somerthing post it.

To think the fact JDS couldn't put nelson away when he so clearly dominated him is not relevant in the next fight is crazy of course it is relevant.

 

 

If however you are using MMAth to prove who will win, yes you are a fool, but merely offering supporting evidence for your opinion is what more knowledgeable people will do.

Otherwise we are left with posts like.....

 

Carwin, just cause.

 

Not very interesting or thought provoking is it???

[wprincewilhelm]

Why do you guys doubting Carwin so much? You say he has bad cardio, no he doesn't. Anybody that size would get that tired after throwing that many punches, even Lesnar would. And have you ever done something like that? He did not show it but he was nevious in the Lesnar fight, cause like he said "This is to see who the best Heavyweight in the world is." When your nevious like that and you don't feel it out but you blow out everything in the first round it really gets to you and your perfomance really sucks after that first round.

[KOTN]

If Carwin can take Dos Santos down he should win easily.