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IF Toney wins, Will more boxers try to sign with the UFC.


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I saw in a recent thread boxers/MMA fighters talking about the upcoming fight and it surprised me that many boxers seemed to respect MMA and had Couture winning the fight. My question is, if James Toney knocks Couture out, will this start a trend for more well known/respected boxers to enter MMA/UFC, and will they be welcome by the fans/fighters.

 

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I don't know. I was thinking about that when KJ Noons won the other night... he mentioned going into professional boxing.

 

It would be interesting to see but I think boxers would get owned in MMA. Most fighters spend years training, grappling, wrestling and devote themselves to many aspects of MMA and not just striking.

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I don't know. I was thinking about that when KJ Noons won the other night... he mentioned going into professional boxing.

 

It would be interesting to see but I think boxers would get owned in MMA. Most fighters spend years training' date=' grappling, wrestling and devote themselves to many aspects of MMA and not just striking.[/quote']

 

Boxer are just Puncher , they hate kick and be kicked .

 

U cant use a boxing stance in MMA or everyone will kick the **** out ur leg .

 

I think is easier to switch MMA to boxing then Boxing to MMA .

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Like Toney has BOXING and a 9 months of MMA training.

 

Is there a chance Couture will get knocked out? Yes.

 

Does Couture have the experience to take Toney to the ground? Of course.

 

Once an MMA fight goes to the ground you can take boxing out of the picture and then the MMA legend will own Toney.

 

Toney better pray he can rock Couture in the first round.

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I have no problem with more boxers entering MMA. I see them as no different than the other specialists that have entered and succeeded. We have Muay Thai champs, BJJ champs,K1 fighters, Colligiate Wrestling Champs etc etc. What's so different about boxers that it's such a big deal?

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I don't know. I was thinking about that when KJ Noons won the other night... he mentioned going into professional boxing.

 

It would be interesting to see but I think boxers would get owned in MMA. Most fighters spend years training' date=' grappling, wrestling and devote themselves to many aspects of MMA and not just striking.[/quote']

 

yea the money is much better in professional boxing for sure but i figured if they got a jump start and got into MMA before it went main stream they would be easier to promote with better pay at a later time.

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Boxer are just Puncher ' date=' they hate kick and be kicked .

 

U cant use a boxing stance in MMA or everyone will kick the **** out ur leg .

 

I think is easier to switch MMA to boxing then Boxing to MMA .[/quote']

 

i personally feel Randy is going to leg kick him and stay standing for a little while to confuse him.

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Like Toney has BOXING and a 9 months of MMA training.

Is there a chance Couture will get knocked out? Yes.

Does Couture have the experience to take Toney to the ground? Of course.

 

Once an MMA fight goes to the ground you can take boxing out of the picture and then the MMA legend will own Toney.

 

Toney better pray he can rock Couture in the first round.

 

even a slim chance of a KO is enough to promote a fight for the UFC...thats why more boxers might come.

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Would love to see it, but top level boxers wont make the move for one very simple reason.

 

Money.

 

When top level boxers are being paid as much as they are, what incentive is there to jump ship, and have to train in multiple disciplines for much less money?

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I've not watched a boxing match for years. Totally lost interest in it. To many organizations' date='belts,weight classes interm belts etc.

 

Also WAY WAY WAY to many super padded records.[/quote']

 

i also lost some interest in boxing when i started watching MMA. I used to be really into boxing and could think of a few big names i wouldn't mind seeing in MMA im sure a few boxers have the strength and cardio as well as some natural talent to make the switch to a complete mixed martial artist as well with some help from the right trainers.

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Would love to see it' date=' but top level boxers wont make the move for one very simple reason.

 

Money.

 

When top level boxers are being paid as much as they are, what incentive is there to jump ship, and have to train in multiple disciplines for much less money?[/quote']

 

i understand the Money aspect but MMA is blowing up and i'd say there are just as many well known MMA fighters than boxers. I'm sure with endorsements and other things like that the money could still come in. I havent seen many boxers in advertisements or things like that, and ive seen a lot of MMA fighters getting endorsements.

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Like Toney has BOXING and a 9 months of MMA training.

 

Is there a chance Couture will get knocked out? Yes.

 

Does Couture have the experience to take Toney to the ground? Of course.

 

Once an MMA fight goes to the ground you can take boxing out of the picture and then the MMA legend will own Toney.

 

Toney better pray he can rock Couture in the first round.

 

Exactly.

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Win or lose' date=' I have a feeling more boxers will come. Obviously if he wins, they probably think they can do it (example: Lesnar, Lashley). Maybe if he loses, more will come for redemption reasons???[/quote']

 

never thought of the redemption reason if he loses but im curious to see if more come win/lose and if any actually train hard on the ground and wrestling aspect to become complete mixed martial artists.

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I can definantly see some alot of newer boxers and aspiring fighters who were thinking about boxing, to strongly consider mma. Let's face it, MMA is the hot new thing right now. I'm sure boxers all already thinking about getting into it just as a challenge and they know it is the future of combat sports. If James wins expect to see alot more boxers thinking about making the transition into mma.

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I can definantly see some alot of newer boxers and aspiring fighters who were thinking about boxing' date=' to strongly consider mma. Let's face it, MMA is the hot new thing right now. I'm sure boxers all already thinking about getting into it just as a challenge and they know it is the future of combat sports. If James wins expect to see alot more boxers thinking about making the transition into mma.[/quote']

 

If Toney has success with his boxing style do you think the boxers that come to MMA will stick with their boxing or do you think they will train wrestling and ground game instead of relying on their hands mostly.

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If Toney has success with his boxing style do you think the boxers that come to MMA will stick with their boxing or do you think they will train wrestling and ground game instead of relying on their hands mostly.

 

No way.

I can just imagine a boxer trying to throw a jab and twisting his leg to just the right angle for a leg kick to buckle his knee and make him fall.

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No way.

I can just imagine a boxer trying to throw a jab and twisting his leg to just the right angle for a leg kick to buckle his knee and make him fall.

 

that is what i was thinking myself the leg kicks are going to be the kryptonite to boxers if they keep their traditional stance. I'm curious to see what Toney's stance looks like

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Well' date=' they already have the stand up.I think they would definantly be well suited to practise defensive ground work and I'm sure some of them would be interested in learning some Muay Thai or BJJ.[/quote']

 

i agree, i think most of their BJJ/wrestling training would be used at TDD and defense on the ground, but i would like to see boxers that are threats on the ground, it would be a good strategy to surprise their opponents into taking them down and then finishing them there.

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Top level MMA fighters don't even come close to making the kind of money top level Boxers do.

 

MMA might be the new "big" thing, but boxing is still where the money is at. Unless that changes, no big name boxers with a career ahead of them still will make the change.

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Top level MMA fighters don't even come close to making the kind of money top level Boxers do.

 

MMA might be the new "big" thing' date=' but boxing is still where the money is at. Unless that changes, no big name boxers with a career ahead of them still will make the change.[/quote']

 

i am sure a lot of MMA fighters make a lot more money off endorsements than their fights, not that it even comes close to the 20 mil Mayweather makes a fight but for smaller names im sure if they got more publicity and endorsements fighting MMA they would be set financially.

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These days, most boxers are trained to fight for points, and not for knockouts. Only a few boxers have genuine one punch knockout power, and the ones that don't would really pose no real threat, seen as they're not gonna murder you with one punch on the feet and they'd be very easy to beat anywhere else.

 

Toney poses a threat because he does have knockout power, and a well placed uppercut can be a very effective defence against a takedown. Most top boxers are very well trained when it comes to head movement and not getting hit while also picking good spots and angles to land their own punches, but if there's no serious threat of a knockout, then guys are just gonna go in there and take them down at will before getting a fairly easy TKO or submission.

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These days' date=' most boxers are trained to fight for points, and not for knockouts. Only a few boxers have genuine one punch knockout power, and the ones that don't would really pose no real threat, seen as they're not gonna murder you with one punch on the feet and they'd be very easy to beat anywhere else.

 

Toney poses a threat because he does have knockout power, and a well placed uppercut can be a very effective defence against a takedown. Most top boxers are very well trained when it comes to head movement and not getting hit while also picking good spots and angles to land their own punches, but if there's no serious threat of a knockout, then guys are just gonna go in there and take them down at will before getting a fairly easy TKO or submission.[/quote']

 

KO power changes with a 4 oz. glove....

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Like Toney has BOXING and a 9 months of MMA training.

 

Is there a chance Couture will get knocked out? Yes.

 

Does Couture have the experience to take Toney to the ground? Of course.

 

Once an MMA fight goes to the ground you can take boxing out of the picture and then the MMA legend will own Toney.

 

Toney better pray he can rock Couture in the first round.

 

the only way Toney wins is with an uppercut at the beginning of the fight

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Boxer are just Puncher ' date=' they hate kick and be kicked .

 

U cant use a boxing stance in MMA or everyone will kick the **** out ur leg .

 

I think is easier to switch MMA to boxing then Boxing to MMA .[/quote']

 

You are trippin big time. It's not even possible for some people to strike properly to the point where they can be professional boxers.

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Would love to see it' date=' but top level boxers wont make the move for one very simple reason.

 

Money.

 

When top level boxers are being paid as much as they are, what incentive is there to jump ship, and have to train in multiple disciplines for much less money?[/quote']

 

^^ This

 

Why would a top ranked contender or a champ bail to come to the UFC and basically start from square one in all disciplines save for one? They wouldn't. I WOULD LOVE IT if more did, as it would raise the bar when it comes to striking in the UFC. It would be amazing to see an elite boxer in their prime convert. MMA could only improve because of that, and maybe we are seeing the first steps to this happening.

 

I feel it will happen.....but very gradually. It won't be a sudden thing in any way. I think more likely middle ranked fighters will start doing this, as they will still have outstanding striking pedigree's, and likely be young enough and athletic enough to pick up other skills, like defending the takedown and sprawling, and avoiding some basic submissions. Incorporating bjj into their game is going to be a longer process, but I see this happening more and more as time goes on. Just don't expect an avalanche of well paid boxers to do this. Why would they jeopardize their payday?

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Don't think so. The top level boxers simply make more money in boxing. James Toney is pretty much the black sheep of boxing as no one wants to fight him. He has been calling out Klitschko out for years now lol. That is why he is trying his hand in MMA but we might see some other boxers make a cross over if the paycheck in MMA get bigger or boxers that are in the same situation as Toney.

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