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Has anyone else noticed how unfair the UFC is being with how quickly certain fighters get a #1 contender fight. For example, two TUF winners should go at the same pace.

 

Roy Nelson: Win Over Schaub, win over Struve, #1 contender shot (2 fights)

 

Gray Maynard: Win over Emerson, win over Veres, win over Siver, win over EDGAR, win over Clementi, win over Miller, win over Huerta, win over Diaz. #1 Contender fight (8 fights)

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Has anyone else noticed how unfair the UFC is being with how quickly certain fighters get a #1 contender fight. For example' date=' two TUF winners should go at the same pace.

 

Roy Nelson: Win Over Schaub, win over Struve, #1 contender shot (2 fights)

 

Gray Maynard: Win over Emerson, win over Veres, win over Siver, win over EDGAR, win over Clementi, win over Miller, win over Huerta, win over Diaz. #1 Contender fight (8 fights)[/quote']

 

Nelson is the only guy that would man up and fight JDS, He also had a ton of experience before TUF and coming to the UFC and is in his mid 30's already.

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Has anyone else noticed how unfair the UFC is being with how quickly certain fighters get a #1 contender fight. For example' date=' two TUF winners should go at the same pace.

 

Roy Nelson: Win Over Schaub, win over Struve, #1 contender shot (2 fights)

 

Gray Maynard: Win over Emerson, win over Veres, win over Siver, win over EDGAR, win over Clementi, win over Miller, win over Huerta, win over Diaz. #1 Contender fight (8 fights)[/quote']

 

Maynard decisions everyone, Nelson finishes fights.

Nelson won TUF, Maynard didnt.

Nelson was a former champ before the UFC, almost all Maynards fights are in the UFC

^ i would say these are probably the reason Maynard hasnt had a chance at gold yet.

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Nelson is the only guy that would man up and fight JDS' date=' He also had a ton of experience before TUF and coming to the UFC and is in his mid 30's already.[/quote']

 

Dont start talking him up like hes the knight in shining armor that went and fought JDS when no one else would and showed more heart than anyone ever. He was given a fight and lost and showed terrible cardio.

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Maynard decisions everyone' date=' Nelson finishes fights.

Nelson won TUF, Maynard didnt.

Nelson was a former champ before the UFC, almost all Maynards fights are in the UFC

^ i would say these are probably the reason Maynard hasnt had a chance at gold yet.[/quote']

 

Nelson has to finish fights hes already out of breath after the first minute. And plenty of other fighters fought in other promotions and dont get an immediate shot.

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Dont start talking him up like hes the knight in shining armor that went and fought JDS when no one else would and showed more heart than anyone ever. He was given a fight and lost and showed terrible cardio.

 

Where did I say that. That's just facts. Dana wanted JDS to fight once more due to the fact Cain was already waiting for Lesner. No one else would take the fight. Nelson did. If there is one thing that has repeated itself time and again. White rewards fighters that nut up and take a big fight and he did just that.

 

The #1 Contender in that fight was JDS before it even was signed. White dangled the chance at a title shot to entice someone to take the fight with such a big potential upside if they managed to beat JDS.

 

Name another HW that should have been in that fight if not Nelson.

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Where did I say that. That's just facts. Dana wanted JDS to fight once more due to the fact Cain was already waiting for Lesner. No one else would take the fight. Nelson did. If there is one thing that has repeated itself time and again. White rewards fighters that nut up and take a big fight and he did just that.

 

The #1 Contender in that fight was JDS before it even was signed. White dangled the chance at a title shot to entice someone to take the fight with such a big potential upside if they managed to beat JDS.

 

Name another HW that should have been in that fight if not Nelson.

 

Frank Mir, Noguiera, Shane Carwin...

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Dont start talking him up like hes the knight in shining armor that went and fought JDS when no one else would and showed more heart than anyone ever. He was given a fight and lost and showed terrible cardio.

 

Dude do you sometimes say off the wall goofy stuff just to see what people think? Lets analyze what you just said, the way you say it he tanked the fight and had a terrible performance, which is not even close to the case. The fact is Roy went in there and fought his **** off against the best striker in the division, he got hurt several times but manned up and hung in there for 15 minutes. Now to say Roy showed bad cardio is pretty ignorant too, both guys were tired as hell because they were fighting at a good pace for 15 minutes, getting hit like both guys were takes a lot out of you.

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Dude do you sometimes say off the wall goofy stuff just to see what people think? Lets analyze what you just said' date=' the way you say it he tanked the fight and had a terrible performance, which is not even close to the case. The fact is Roy went in there and fought his **** off against the best striker in the division, he got hurt several times but manned up and hung in there for 15 minutes. Now to say Roy showed bad cardio is pretty ignorant too, both guys were tired as hell because they were fighting at a good pace for 15 minutes, getting hit like both guys were takes a lot out of you.[/quote']

 

No, he lost. Im sick of everyone acting like hes the toughest guy in the HW division cuz he managed to last 3 rounds with JDS. That doesnt mean **** he lost the fight, it wasnt impressive by the third round he was just flapping his arms around not hitting anything. Also, JDS fooled him with his TDD. There was a point where JDS went for a kick and Nelson went for the TD and couldnt take him down even with him extremely off balance.

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Frank Mir' date=' Noguiera, Shane Carwin...[/quote']

 

Frank Mir in yet another #1 contender shot? Please, he just got KTFO by Carwin.

 

Nog and JDS will never fight each other and Nog got KTFO by Cain in his last fight.

 

Carwin fought 4 weeks before the JDS vs Nelson fight and lost. The JDS fight was signed BEFORE Carwin even fought Lesner.

 

 

So your idea is 3 guys, one that just fought a month prior, all coming off losses should have been in that fight with JDS?

 

Please, at least TRY and make some sense.

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Frank Mir in yet another #1 contender shot? Please' date=' he just got KTFO by Carwin.

 

Nog and JDS will never fight each other and Nog got KTFO by Cain in his last fight.

 

Carwin fought 4 weeks before the JDS vs Nelson fight and lost. The JDS fight was signed BEFORE Carwin even fought Lesner.

 

 

So your idea is 3 guys, one that just fought a month prior, all coming off losses should have been in that fight with JDS?

 

Please, at least TRY and make some sense.[/quote']

 

The fight wouldnt have happened so soon had it been given to Carwin, Noguiera deserved it more im not saying he would have accepted, getting KOd by Velasquez is more impressive then koing struve, and Nelson will get KTFO by Carwin in half the time.

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Dude do you sometimes say off the wall goofy stuff just to see what people think? Lets analyze what you just said' date=' the way you say it he tanked the fight and had a terrible performance, which is not even close to the case. The fact is Roy went in there and fought his **** off against the best striker in the division, he got hurt several times but manned up and hung in there for 15 minutes. Now to say Roy showed bad cardio is pretty ignorant too, both guys were tired as hell because they were fighting at a good pace for 15 minutes, getting hit like both guys were takes a lot out of you.[/quote']

 

The only positive thing you can say about Nelson after that fight is that he has a good chin. He didn't do much else.

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Exactly' date=' thank you for not getting sucked in to their stupidity.[/quote']

 

What stupidity. Your OP was about getting a #1 contender fight. That fight was NEVER about Roy Nelson. He just happened to be the right guy at the right time coming off two KO wins. He was a recognizable name to the fans because of TUF and the 2 KO's and the UFC could sell the fight because of it.

 

 

That fight was about JDS and only JDS.

 

As to why Maynard hasn't had a #1 contender fight or title shot until now, that doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out. He DOESN"T FINISH FIGHTS! Plain and simple. He had a shot vs Diaz to impress and get the title shot Edgar did and HE blew it. He fought a ****ty fight against a guy barely in the title picture and ecked out yet another close SPLIT decision.

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What stupidity. Your OP was about getting a #1 contender fight. That fight was NEVER about Roy Nelson. He just happened to be the right guy at the right time coming off two KO wins. He was a recognizable name to the fans because of TUF and the 2 KO's and the UFC could sell the fight because of it.

 

 

That fight was about JDS and only JDS.

 

As to why Maynard hasn't had a #1 contender fight or title shot until now' date=' that doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out. He DOESN"T FINISH FIGHTS! Plain and simple. He had a shot vs Diaz to impress and get the title shot Edgar did and HE blew it. He fought a ****ty fight against a guy barely in the title picture and ecked out yet another close [b']SPLIT[/b] decision.

 

The stupidity of making out Roy Nelson to be a top contender after getting his *** beat by JDS.

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Nelson is the only guy that would man up and fight JDS' date=' He also had a ton of experience before TUF and coming to the UFC and is in his mid 30's already.[/quote']

 

Exactly! Nelson was a highly regarded Heavyweight before the season even began.

 

Not only that but if people remember TUF 7 the comeback Patrick Cote and Matt Serra got immediate title shots for winning the season, so there's a precedent for TUF alum getting fast tracked.

 

Nelson deserved it because he nutted up. Maynard holds the only win over the champ and is undefeated. He's more deserving of a title shot than BJ IMO.

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The stupidity of making out Roy Nelson to be a top contender after getting his *** beat by JDS.

 

Where did anyone say he was a top contender after losing to JDS? Had he beat JDS convincingly you could argue he would be.

 

You can't seem to wrap your head around the fact the fight wasn't really about Nelson to begin with. He took an opportunity no one else either would or was in position to and rolled the dice hoping he could upset JDS and earn a title shot. He lost and will need a pretty impressive win streak over tougher fighters to get another crack.\

 

In a perfect world JDS would have fought Cain for the #1 contender, but DFW screwed that up by crowning Cain next after Carwin when he beat Big Nog.

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Where did anyone say he was a top contender after losing to JDS? Had he beat JDS convincingly you could argue he would be.

 

You can't seem to wrap your head around the fact the fight wasn't really about Nelson to begin with. He took an opportunity no one else either would or was in position to and rolled the dice hoping he could upset JDS and earn a title shot. He lost and will need a pretty impressive win streak over tougher fighters to get another crack.

 

You cant seem to wrap your head around the fact that Roy Nelson did not look incredible in defeat. He looked defeated.

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You cant seem to wrap your head around the fact that Roy Nelson did not look incredible in defeat. He looked defeated.

 

Where the **** did I ever say he looked incredible. He showed a good chin and mediocre cardio. The only thing that fight showed me was JDS does indeed have some take down defense as he was able to stuff a bigger fighter in Nelson and circle out of the clinch on the cage.

 

What Nelson looked like in that fight has very little to do with your OP.

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Roy Nelson destroyed Schaub and destroyed Struve after dominating the show. Then actively asks Dana for a big match-up, and got it seen as any real fan of MMA knew exactly who Roy Nelson was BEFORE he entered the TUF house and he has a far bigger name than any other TUF winner had in the past.

 

Gray Maynard lost on the show and since then has squeezed out a few decisions by lying on people for 15 minutes, as well as getting a controversial decision win over Nate Diaz.

 

Also, Roy Nelson is marketable and exciting, whereas Gray Maynard is one of the most boring fighters ever to grace the UFC.

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Title shots are a combination of record and who the fans want to see fight the champion.

 

Roy got his number 1 contender shot cause of his two KOs and his popularity,

 

Its all about who is gonna sell the fight and the pay perviews.

 

Fans dont want to see boring Maynard tap or get KO'd by Penn.

 

Fighters should learn from Sonnen, Rampage, Rashad, Brock, Mir, BJ, Koshchek, Hardy, Tito, Randy, and Chuck...

 

Talk some trash, back it up, talk some more trash and make fans either love you or hate you... and you will always be in the mix because either fans want to see you get messed up or see you with the Gold

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Roy Nelson destroyed Schaub and destroyed Struve after dominating the show. Then actively asks Dana for a big match-up' date=' and got it seen as any real fan of MMA knew exactly who Roy Nelson was BEFORE he entered the TUF house and he has a far bigger name than any other TUF winner had in the past.

 

Gray Maynard lost on the show and since then has squeezed out a few decisions by lying on people for 15 minutes, as well as getting a controversial decision win over Nate Diaz.

 

Also, Roy Nelson is marketable and exciting, whereas Gray Maynard is one of the most boring fighters ever to grace the UFC.[/quote']

 

Youre right, beating Kimbo Slice is a huge accomplishment. Brock Lesnar move over, here comes Matt Mitrione.

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Youre right' date=' beating Kimbo Slice is a huge accomplishment. Brock Lesnar move over, here comes Matt Mitrione.[/quote']

 

That was only one of my points. TUF 10 was a weak season, yeah. But it was completely dominated by Roy Nelson. And in addition to that, he was a huge name outside the UFC way before he went onto TUF.

 

He's not as young as most winners of the show, he's at the peak of his career, he's a big name already and he's obviously not interested in fighting scrubs to pad his record or "give him some experience". He wanted the big fights, he got the big fights.

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HW is thinner competition' date=' Nelson was a bigger name coming in than maynard, nelson won his season, maynard lost his, nelson won in much more impressive fashion.[/quote']

 

This. Maynard is zzzz town. This is why Edgar, who lost to him, got a shot first. Unfair, but it makes since. Sounds like smart business to me.

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Has anyone else noticed how unfair the UFC is being with how quickly certain fighters get a #1 contender fight. For example' date=' two TUF winners should go at the same pace.

 

Roy Nelson: Win Over Schaub, win over Struve, #1 contender shot (2 fights)

 

Gray Maynard: Win over Emerson, win over Veres, win over Siver, win over EDGAR, win over Clementi, win over Miller, win over Huerta, win over Diaz. #1 Contender fight (8 fights)[/quote']

 

TUF fighters get all the breaks, this isn't news.

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