Alpha_Omega Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 3 immediate rematches? Only Shogun deserved one imo but I can even get past BJ getting one being it was a decision. But how exactly does Sonnen get a rematch? Because he dominated, couldn't finish the fight and got tapped for the 7th time in his career? Yes, he did good, nobody is denying that, but he lost, period. It was not a suspect decision, he made it to the 1 yard line and choked, literally. It was a clear cut loss, no question. No decision, no judges, just Chael tapping. Is it because people think he can beat Silva in a rematch? If so, where is Carwin's rematch? He beat Brock's **** worse than Chael did Silva, Chael just did it longer. What a joke. Oh, and I told you all after the Marquardt fight that Chael had the wrestling to dominate Silva and you all flamed me. Don't ever doubt me. If my Java wasn't tripping, I'd search the thread. Go look it up if you need proof. I know, I'm late. But I been busy and haven't been here in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SugaKO Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Agreed after BJ vs Edgar no more immediate rematches seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMfreddrick Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 I agree with you good sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Agreed. They might as well make all title fights a best 2 out of 3 the way it's trending... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_Play Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Yea...the immediate rematch thing is kinda lame, but so far, we can't really disagree with them until they are over. Shogun got his immediate rematch and knocked Lyoto out, first round. I'm pretty sure BJ is going to get his belt back too. IF BJ gets his belt back, there will be no good argument against Sonnen's rematch...in my opinion. If BJ loses, "the rematch" will lose credibility, and I expect to see the forums flooded with anti-Chael propaganda. lol. Now, I personally don't think Chael genuinely tapped--if anything, it looked like a bait tap, too ambiguous for Ref stoppage in the 5TH ROUND OF A GROUND-BREAKING CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT. That's just my opinion, but I think even the Ref was like "wtf are you doing Silva? I didn't call the fight yet. Get back on the ground......whatever"... I could be mistaken. And Chael's whole acceptance of it...that's just the humility of a true sportsman... and the impossibility of denying that you couldn't finish a guy with 282 strikes....but that's beside the point... I love Chael...no ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristufa Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Nice seeing you back bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUF127 Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 ALPHA!!!!! Where have you been man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudiorebelo Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 I hate when DW says "We put on the fights the fans wanna see" No you don't. We don't want rematches, specially for AS. The guy is one of the best and he's 35. No time for rematches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatwild Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 First off sorry if grammer is throwed off Im no english major or write essays So hang with me!!! Id say Shogun Deserved his rematch because of the controversy with the decision.Alot of people thought he won that fight and he was the challenger. 2 close to call. Id say BJ Penn deserves his instant rematch because some say it was close as well. He was the champ and Edgar couldnt finish him that night. If it goes to a decision again and BJ wins, I think there should be one more instant rematch between these two.Only to make it fair. If BJ finishes this fight either by KO or Sub, No rematch because it will be like the Shogun fights people thought he won the fight and got a bad call by judges then dominates the second fight showing the judges they had it wrong in the first place. I havent kept up with the news but Im guessing Sonnen is getting a rematch? If so, Id say he doesnt deserve the instant rematch because he was the challenger and got beat by the champ no decisions in this one. Yes he was a beast for 4 and a half rounds and busted Silvas @ss but he Lost. NO Rematch for Sonnen Thanks for hanging WW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bokchoy Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Yea. just because they won the top contention spot doesnt mean they get a rematch if they lose. Or should be even fighting for the next title shot. What they should be doing, is seeing who is next in line. The winner of Marquardt vs Palhares (bad spelling i know) should vs Vitor Belfor. Winner of that match vs Anderson. Then if chael can string a 2-3 fight winning streak, another shot. I do agree with immediate rematches when they are a decision, thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdWorkKen Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Yea...the immediate rematch thing is kinda lame' date=' but so far, we can't really disagree with them until they are over. Shogun got his immediate rematch and knocked Lyoto out, first round. I'm pretty sure BJ is going to get his belt back too. IF BJ gets his belt back, there will be no good argument against Sonnen's rematch...in my opinion. If BJ loses, "the rematch" will lose credibility, and I expect to see the forums flooded with anti-Chael propaganda. lol. Now, I personally don't think Chael genuinely tapped--if anything, it looked like a bait tap, too ambiguous for Ref stoppage in the 5TH ROUND OF A GROUND-BREAKING CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT. That's just my opinion, but I think even the Ref was like "wtf are you doing Silva? I didn't call the fight yet. Get back on the ground......whatever"... I could be mistaken. And Chael's whole acceptance of it...that's just the humility of a true sportsman... and the impossibility of denying that you couldn't finish a guy with 282 strikes....but that's beside the point... I love Chael...no ****.[/quote'] Your Mistaken He Tapped like he has 6 times before that one.. He would have gone to sleep if Silva did not let him go and got his arm broke before the 5th round ended so Bait Tap whatever that means Come on dude he tapped and was going to sleep so its just like almost going all the way with a chick and scorch your shorts before you get to put your **** in her. It counts as a loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towhatend Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 First off, nice to see you back AO hope all is well. Shogun obviously deserved a rematch like you said, but I also think Penn did. The Sonnen rematch is incredibly unwarranted in my mind. Sonnen executed his gameplan perfectly for four and a half rounds and then got submitted...again. He was winning the fight incredibly clearly, but there's no reason to think next time will go any differently. Maybe Silva will submit him earlier or KO him. Either way the UFC is passing up on a tremendous opportunity to match Sonnen and Belfort up so that one of them can truly earn a(nother) title shot. Seems to me the UFC saw the million buys that 117 did and want to replicate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesbonesbones Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Sonnen quit theres no reason for a rematch I agree with the other 2, especially BJ, 50-45 really WTF is that Definitely some tomfoolery goin down in the first fight, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guthro777 Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Yea...the immediate rematch thing is kinda lame' date=' but so far, we can't really disagree with them until they are over. Shogun got his immediate rematch and knocked Lyoto out, first round. I'm pretty sure BJ is going to get his belt back too. IF BJ gets his belt back, there will be no good argument against Sonnen's rematch...in my opinion. If BJ loses, "the rematch" will lose credibility, and I expect to see the forums flooded with anti-Chael propaganda. lol. Now, I personally don't think Chael genuinely tapped--if anything, it looked like a bait tap, too ambiguous for Ref stoppage in the 5TH ROUND OF A GROUND-BREAKING CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT. That's just my opinion, but I think even the Ref was like "wtf are you doing Silva? I didn't call the fight yet. Get back on the ground......whatever"... [b']I could be mistaken.[/b] And Chael's whole acceptance of it...that's just the humility of a true sportsman... and the impossibility of denying that you couldn't finish a guy with 282 strikes....but that's beside the point... I love Chael...no ****. Yes you are. Chael tapped and then tried to act like he didn't. He has done that a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guthro777 Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 3 immediate rematches? Only Shogun deserved one imo but I can even get past BJ getting one being it was a decision. But how exactly does Sonnen get a rematch? Because he dominated' date=' couldn't finish the fight and [b']got tapped for the 7th time in his career[/b]? Yes, he did good, nobody is denying that, but he lost, period. It was not a suspect decision, he made it to the 1 yard line and choked, literally. It was a clear cut loss, no question. No decision, no judges, just Chael tapping. Is it because people think he can beat Silva in a rematch? If so, where is Carwin's rematch? He beat Brock's **** worse than Chael did Silva, Chael just did it longer. What a joke. Oh, and I told you all after the Marquardt fight that Chael had the wrestling to dominate Silva and you all flamed me. Don't ever doubt me. If my Java wasn't tripping, I'd search the thread. Go look it up if you need proof. I know, I'm late. But I been busy and haven't been here in a while. It was the 8th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_Play Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 A few people responded to me, so here is a general response to them... The biggest reason Sonnen should get a rematch is because he beat Silva's **** for 23 minutes.... a man who BARELY lost one round (to Hendo) in his entire UFC career... a man who was deemed invincible...UNTOUCHABLE... a man who has only put on one good fight (Griffin) out of the last 4 or 5 fights... a man who acted like a TOTAL sack of **** to the fans and the sport until SOMEHOW Sonnen made him a fan favorite again...and he started to act right, again...in affectation but Sonnen should get a rematch mainly because Silva's aura has been CRUSHED...and how can ANY Silva fan be satisfied with an ambiguous submission win after the total domination he received from Chael? Your boy needs to prove himself....spending 23 minutes on his back...just to pull off ONE triangle... that's pathetic...that's "cracker jack award" bad... He needs to knock Chael out to get his mojo back...in my opinion... but the fanboys are fine with sweeping this under the rug...for some reason.... and don't worry...I'm a huge Chael fan...but Silva has a 9 out of 10 chance of winning the rematch......because Chael can't finish... Chael hit Silva 282 times and couldn't finish...that's just as bad as the 23-minute triangle...the only difference is that one approach was winning the fight, in DOMINATING fashion... Chael choked, but that doesn't mean Silva didn't get raped....because he did, thoroughly. It is what it is. Lastly, I think Chael is entering politics full-time soon, so an immediate rematch is the only opportunity he has. He could just be playing his cards though, to get the fight.... He is a politician...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesbonesbones Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 A few people responded to me' date=' so here is a general response to them... The biggest reason Sonnen should get a rematch is because he beat Silva's **** for 23 minutes.... a man who BARELY lost one round (to Hendo) in his entire UFC career... a man who was deemed invincible...UNTOUCHABLE... a man who has only put on one good fight (Griffin) out of the last 4 or 5 fights... a man who acted like a TOTAL sack of **** to the fans and the sport until SOMEHOW Sonnen made him a fan favorite again...and he started to act right, again...in affectation but Sonnen should get a rematch mainly because Silva's aura has been CRUSHED...and how can ANY Silva fan be satisfied with an ambiguous submission win after the total domination he received from Chael? Your boy needs to prove himself....spending 23 minutes on his back...just to pull off ONE triangle... that's pathetic...that's "cracker jack award" bad... He needs to knock Chael out to get his mojo back...in my opinion... but the fanboys are fine with sweeping this under the rug...for some reason.... and don't worry...I'm a huge Chael fan...but Silva has a 9 out of 10 chance of winning the rematch......because Chael can't finish... Chael hit Silva 282 times and couldn't finish...that's just as bad as the 23-minute triangle...the only difference is that one approach was winning the fight, in DOMINATING fashion... Chael choked, but that doesn't mean Silva didn't get raped....because he did, thoroughly. It is what it is. Lastly, I think Chael is entering politics full-time soon, so an immediate rematch is the only opportunity he has. He could just be playing his cards though, to get the fight.... He is a politician...lol[/quote'] In reference to all of this... Sonnen shouldnt get a rematch because he quit the first fight A man who made Chael quit A man with ever building records that will never be broken A man who always wins. A man who did nothing wrong and you are just a hater Sonnen should not get a rematch because a loss is a loss, he quit. Silva proved himself by winning A win is a win He has the same mojo yet will still KTFO Chael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rup Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 who do you guys suggest silva defends against instead in that joke of a division (185)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaTsA Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Machida vs Shogun - controversial decision. Grounds for the rematch, as so many people had Shogun winning that fight. The outcome, Shogun definitively won that rematch. However, Machida should have the right to an immediate rematch, as is the Champions prerogative. BJ vs Edgar - again, a controversial decision. Many people had BJ winning this fight, but more importantly Champions prerogative again. The champion should have the right to a rematch after losing the title. Silva vs Sonnen - No controvery here. Sonnen brought the fight to Anderson, no doubt about that, he came the closest anyone come in the UFC to beating him, again, no doubt about that. However, all that said, Silva submitted him. He emphatically won that fight. Just because Sonnen pushed him to the limits, doesn't earn him an immediate rematch. Oh, and just because Dana has said that it's what the fans want to see, doesn't mean it's going to happen. Sonnen will have to stay undefeated until the time Anderson is ready to fight again, which frankly, I can't see happening, especially if he get's put in there with Vitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LW4MMA Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 +1 more NO REMATCH Can we sticky this with a poll so that perhaps Dana can see what the UFC forum thinks... It worked when they wanted to rematch Franklin vs. Hendo... and that was at least a close split decision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick10 Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 why would sonnen get a rematched if he tapped the first time , its beyond me The only reason a contender should get a rematch is if they went to a controversial decision period How about dana gives sonnen someone like belford and see if he learned how to defend submissions He got submitted for the 8th time in the same position !! Its not like sonnen was just unlucky, sonnen just doesnt know how to defend submissions Next time they fight , silva will just submit sonnen , just like 6 other fighters have. Sonnen has been exposed as the fraud he is , excellent wrestler with not submission defense. In the other hand silva just proved he has a black belt in BJJ and that he can take 300 punches and still beat you ... and that he doesnt bleed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymore831406051745 Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 3 immediate rematches? Only Shogun deserved one imo but I can even get past BJ getting one being it was a decision. But how exactly does Sonnen get a rematch? Because he dominated' date=' couldn't finish the fight and got tapped for the 7th time in his career? Yes, he did good, nobody is denying that, but he lost, period. It was not a suspect decision, he made it to the 1 yard line and choked, literally. It was a clear cut loss, no question. No decision, no judges, just Chael tapping. Is it because people think he can beat Silva in a rematch? If so, where is Carwin's rematch? He beat Brock's **** worse than Chael did Silva, Chael just did it longer. What a joke. Oh, and I told you all after the Marquardt fight that Chael had the wrestling to dominate Silva and you all flamed me. Don't ever doubt me. If my Java wasn't tripping, I'd search the thread. Go look it up if you need proof. I know, I'm late. But I been busy and haven't been here in a while.[/quote'] I agree that with anything but a decision, an immediate rematch is kind of rediculous, but Dana knows that the fans are tired of Silva and even if they get to watch him get bloodied and Sonnen loses again by choke, people will be happy. Where's Belfort in all of this though? I surprised he isn't taking next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_Omega Posted August 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Nice seeing you back bro. ALPHA!!!!! Where have you been man? Wussup guys. How you been? Still fighting the good fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZeN Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 So Sonnen deserves a rematch because he quit in the 5th round? If Chael Sonnen, during the best performance of his career, can't beat Anderson Silva during his worst, then wtf makes you think he's going to beat him in the rematch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiousmat Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Yea...the immediate rematch thing is kinda lame' date=' but so far, we can't really disagree with them until they are over. Shogun got his immediate rematch and knocked Lyoto out, first round. I'm pretty sure BJ is going to get his belt back too. IF BJ gets his belt back, there will be no good argument against Sonnen's rematch...in my opinion. If BJ loses, "the rematch" will lose credibility, and I expect to see the forums flooded with anti-Chael propaganda. lol. Now, I personally don't think Chael genuinely tapped--if anything, it looked like a bait tap, too ambiguous for Ref stoppage in the 5TH ROUND OF A GROUND-BREAKING CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT. That's just my opinion, but I think even the Ref was like "wtf are you doing Silva? I didn't call the fight yet. Get back on the ground......whatever"... I could be mistaken. And Chael's whole acceptance of it...that's just the humility of a true sportsman... and the impossibility of denying that you couldn't finish a guy with 282 strikes....but that's beside the point... I love Chael...no ****.[/quote'] Chael admitted tapping. He even admitted passing out for a moment. He said when the ref stopped the fight he woke him up and he didn't know what had happened, if he'd won the fight or not, that's why he looked confused when the ref stopped it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiousmat Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 I agree that with anything but a decision' date=' an immediate rematch is kind of rediculous, but Dana knows that the fans are tired of Silva and even if they get to watch him get bloodied and Sonnen loses again by choke, people will be happy. Where's Belfort in all of this though? I surprised he isn't taking next.[/quote'] I'm not tired of Silva.. Why would I. Who gets tired of a freagin spectacular champ. This rematch is ********, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button_man Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 IMO,dana saw that chael is the only fighter in the ufc that brought silva where he almost lost.probably the injury could be an effect and giving silva a chance to redeem himself even though he won the fight.as of now,chael is one of the biggest challenge for silva aside from vitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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