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Ichigo

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Right so recently we have seen countless Michael Bisping threads that have no substance and ends up becoming a massive argument!

 

Thread mainly either coming from haters or TwinkleToesTommy so basically the thread is either full of hate or is coming from a guy that is so blinded by his favourite fighter he is not able to effectively comment on Bispings skills!

 

So where about is Michael Bisping?????

 

Michael seems to be at a turning point in his career at the moment and depending on his next fight i would say it will be either do and go on to be a real contender or die and stay in the balance of mediocrity for the rest of his career!

 

Although as we have seen Akiyama struggled with Leben but Leben is a whole different monster to what he was when Bisping faced him! And Akiyama has his Judo in which may hold some real problems for Bisping but on a whole the only way i see Bisping beating Akiyama is by out pointing him, in no way can Bisping let Akiyama get a hold of him or even though Bispings TD defence has came along i would think it may still be relatively easy for Akiyama to take him down!

 

As i said it is do or die for Bisping but as we have seen Bisping can rise to the occasion we seen that in the Rashad evans fight and also the Hamill fight even though the Hamill fight is a widely disputed decision win for Bisping even though the judges stand by there decision form the angle they were sitting at!

 

http://mmafrenzy.com/1223/joe-rogan-judges-speak-out-on-hamill-bisping-decision/

 

But in the Rashad fight he held his own got a few TD's himself as well as being able to quickly jump up to his feet after he was taken down that personally is the best we have ever seen Bisping in the Octagon even in a loss he showed his full potential and held his own against a very dangerous wrestler in Rashad! and to be fair it was a very close decision!

 

I think he does not get the respect he does deserve!

 

Now i see alot of people hating on Bisping just over the fact he was portrayed as the bad guy on the TUF 9 reality Show, which in all fairness people seem to forget its a REALITY SHOW! Inbetween the show being filmed and actually being shown on TV there are months to edit the show and portray anybody in the show anyway they want!

 

Hell if they wanted to they could have made Hendo look like a complete tool if they really wanted to! So basically what i am saying is it is unfair to decide to hate on Bisping just because of a few episode of TUF !

 

Even though he is a talented fighter where he has mostly finishes in his career and has shown to be a rather exciting fighter and has sort of came to a point where he is afraid to really commit to the finish due to the higher calibre of fighters he is now fighting in the UFCs elite MW division!

 

Now i really think Bisping will not beat Akiyama and be banished to mediocrity for the remainder of his career but this time we will have to see about how well his skills have improved since the Wandy fight but if he has not improved there is no way he will beat Akiyama i dont think unless it goes to a close split decision again!

 

Right so discuss this???? Will Bisping show he really deserves to be a contender or will he be banished to mediocrity for the remainder of his career???

 

and for once can we not see the countless Hendo Bisping KO gif s and photoshops please!

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Bisping is ranked like 15-20 range.

 

That's pure honesty.

 

Can you really name 15-20 people that the majority of people here would agree would beat him? I think he's probably around the top 10 mark personally. I don't think he'll ever be a serious contender at MW. There seem to be certain styles of fighter that he can happily beat, but others that he struggles with. If he gets a lucky run then maybe one day he'll get a title shot, but realistically I don't think he's gonna pose a serious threat to the champion.

 

He's a disciplined boxer with a fairly underrated ground game, but he has a suspect chin and lacks finishing power in my opinion. He's fairly well rounded, but there's no area of his game which he really excels in. With Anderson and Nate, you don't want to be stood toe to toe with them. With Maia, you don't want to go to ground with him. With Sonnen, you're constantly going to be taken down. In my opinion, there is no position where Bisping can put a well rounded fighter where he'll be able to dominate them. I wish him all the best for the future and will continue to support him, but I can't see him getting much further up the division than he is now.

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Can you really name 15-20 people that the majority of people here would agree would beat him? I think he's probably around the top 10 mark personally. I don't think he'll ever be a serious contender at MW. There seem to be certain styles of fighter that he can happily beat' date=' but others that he struggles with. If he gets a lucky run then maybe one day he'll get a title shot, but realistically I don't think he's gonna pose a serious threat to the champion.

 

He's a disciplined boxer with a fairly underrated ground game, but he has a suspect chin and lacks finishing power in my opinion. I wish him all the best for the future and will continue to support him, but I can't see him getting much further up the division than he is now.[/quote']

 

You want me to name 15 people that are better than him in the UFC or world rankings?

 

It's easy as cake. I'd love to.

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Good post :)

I don't mind bisping that much and I wouldn't call myself a fan, but i always end up defending him from some posters that say that he is a "can".

I do disagree about one thing though and thats that i think Bisping will beat Akiyama. The Sexy one has gassed in both of his fights in the UFC and i think that with Bispings cardio he could outwork him to a UD.

Also i don't see how being a middle teir fighter is that bad! If you are in the UFC you are obviously a good fighter and deserve respect.

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You want me to name 15 people that are better than him in the UFC or world rankings?

 

It's easy as cake. I'd love to.

 

Go for it. I just can't see you naming 15 fighters in the UFC that would most probably beat him. If you take it to a global level then I guess you can add Hendo and probably make a strong case for Lombard. But the fact is that there's not a hugely deep talent pool at MW right now.

 

I'd love for you to prove me wrong though.

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Anderson,Sonnen,Maia,Miranda,Wandy,Leben(i know Bisping beat him once but he wouldnt beat him now),Akiyama(we'll see on UFC 120),Belfort,Belcher,Marquardt,Palhares,Cote - he wouldnt beat this guys(these are just from UFC,otherwise he would be at 20. position)

 

oooh and i forgot Munoz and Okami so he's now 15. at UFC MW:)

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Go for it. I just can't see you naming 15 fighters in the UFC that would most probably beat him. If you take it to a global level then I guess you can add Hendo and probably make a strong case for Lombard. But the fact is that there's not a hugely deep talent pool at MW right now.

 

I'd love for you to prove me wrong though.

 

I'll gladly oblige. A of right now:

 

Anderson Silva

Alan Belcher

Vitor Belfort

Patrick Cote

Chris Leben

Demian Maia

Nate Marquardt

Mark Munoz

Yushin Okami

Rousimar Palhares

Wanderlei Silva

Chael Sonnen

Rich Franklin (if you're counting him as MW)

Akiyama

Alessio Sakara

Jake Shields (if you're counting him as a MW)

 

Bisping has only beat 1 of these guys(Leben), and that was 2 years ago when they were a different fighter.

 

Bisping can't beat anyone listed.

 

So that puts him 17th in my books.

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I'll gladly oblige. A of right now:

 

Anderson Silva

Alan Belcher

Vitor Belfort

Patrick Cote

Chris Leben

Demian Maia

Nate Marquardt

Mark Munoz

Yushin Okami

Rousimar Palhares

Wanderlei Silva

Chael Sonnen

Rich Franklin (if you're counting him as MW)

Akiyama

Alessio Sakara

Jake Shields (if you're counting him as a MW)

 

Bisping has only beat 1 of these guys(Leben)' date=' and that was 2 years ago when they were a different fighter.

 

Bisping can't beat anyone listed.

 

So that puts him 17th in my books.[/quote']

 

Its all opinion, i dont think the bolded fighters can beat him

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Anderson Silva

Alan Belcher

Vitor Belfort

Patrick Cote

Chris Leben

Demian Maia

Nate Marquardt

Mark Munoz

Yushin Okami

Rousimar Palhares

Wanderlei Silva

Chael Sonnen

Rich Franklin (if you're counting him as MW)

Akiyama

Alessio Sakara

Jake Shields (if you're counting him as a MW)

 

The ones in bold, I completely agree with. The ones in standard font I think could go either way. The ones in italics are fights in which I think Bisping would definitely be the favourite.

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Considering Rousimar Palhares and Munoz are already ranked WAY above Bisping' date=' it doesn't matter. They are fighting top notch fighters. Who is Bisping fighting?

 

That alone says it all.[/quote']

 

Munoz and palhares way above lol?? Munoz has fought 1 top fighter in Okami and lost, Palhares has fought 1 top fighter and lost and is about to fight another and i think he will lose, explain to me how they are way above him?

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Munoz and palhares way above lol?? Munoz has fought 1 top fighter in Okami and lost' date=' Palhares has fought 1 top fighter and lost and is about to fight another and i think he will lose, explain to me how they are way above him?[/quote']

 

Munoz gave Okami a run for his money. Okami is easily ranked towards the top.

 

Palhares will sub Nate. But let's not go by that. Let's go by the fact that he's 4-1 and his only loss is to Dan Henderson in which Dan won by literally running from Palhares the entire fight.

 

Palhares would murder Bisping. As would Munoz. As would Belcher. As would anyone on that list right now.

 

Bisping is extremely overrated.

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Munoz and palhares way above lol?? Munoz has fought 1 top fighter in Okami and lost' date=' Palhares has fought 1 top fighter and lost and is about to fight another and i think he will lose, explain to me how they are way above him?[/quote']

 

Explain why they are below Bisping? Bisping has also lost to every top opponent he has faced.

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Munoz gave Okami a run for his money. Okami is easily ranked towards the top.

 

Palhares will sub Nate. But let's not go by that. Let's go by the fact that he's 4-1 and his only loss is to Dan Henderson in which Dan won by literally running from Palhares the entire fight.

 

Palhares would murder Bisping. As would Munoz. As would Belcher. As would anyone on that list right now.

 

Bisping is extremely overrated.

 

I don't think any of them would murder Bisping' date=' especially belcher as he is also overrated who hasn't faced top competition.

And i don't think Bisping is that overrated, i mean nobody rates him any way lol

 

Explain why they are below Bisping? Bisping has also lost to every top opponent he has faced.

 

Exactly so i was pointing out what was wrong with his post, they should be ranked about the same, not "WAY above" as he put it.

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I don't think any of them would murder Bisping' date=' especially belcher as he is also overrated who hasn't faced top competition.

And i don't think Bisping is that overrated, i mean nobody rates him any way lol

 

 

 

Exactly so i was pointing out what was wrong with his post, they should be ranked about the same, not "WAY above" as he put it.[/quote']

 

Alan Belcher just demolished Patrick Cote who was once considered good enough to take the belt from Anderson Silva. He's wrecked the only decent opponent Bisping has ever faced (Kang) and he lost a split decision to Akiyama who is going to have a field day with Bisping.

 

People do overrate Bisping. To put him in the top 10 is plain dumb.

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Alan Belcher just demolished Patrick Cote who was once considered good enough to take the belt from Anderson Silva. He's wrecked the only decent opponent Bisping has ever faced (Kang) and he lost a split decision to Akiyama who is going to have a field day with Bisping.

 

People do overrate Bisping. To put him in the top 10 is plain dumb.

 

He lost to Jason day who Bisping demolished in the first round, ahahahh

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Alan Belcher just demolished Patrick Cote who was once considered good enough to take the belt from Anderson Silva. He's wrecked the only decent opponent Bisping has ever faced (Kang) and he lost a split decision to Akiyama who is going to have a field day with Bisping.

 

People do overrate Bisping. To put him in the top 10 is plain dumb.

 

HAHA watch the kang fight, kang was winning and he got cought in a guilitine(damn i don't know how to spell that lol)

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People saying Cote beating Bisping and for that matter KO'ing him is laughable :cool:

 

Cote could very well do that

 

if the Hendo fight has shown us anything is that he think he doesn't respond well to instruction and may very well still circle into Cotes power

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Good read ' date=' i agree he must win a few fights over good names to be a contender because at this time hes Not ! he got ok skills just not top level maybe he should stop writing checks his a** can't cash[/quote']

 

Thank you i put some time into that haha

 

he needs more win although his skill level is impressive its not as high as the others around him really plus he does not seem to respond well to instruction thus the Hendo fight ending!

 

but he may get as far as a shot if he is lucky!!!

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Good post :)

I don't mind bisping that much and I wouldn't call myself a fan' date=' but i always end up defending him from some posters that say that he is a "can".

I do disagree about one thing though and thats that i think Bisping will beat Akiyama. The Sexy one has gassed in both of his fights in the UFC and i think that with Bispings cardio he could outwork him to a UD.

[b']Also i don't see how being a middle teir fighter is that bad[/b]! If you are in the UFC you are obviously a good fighter and deserve respect.

 

Marcus Davis is middle tier, but he's got an exciting style fight fans have to respect- he goes into the cage, fights his heart out, gets into wars, and always tries to finish guys. While he may not be a top 10 fighter, he earns fans respect. (this holds for Wanderlei as well)

Bisping, however, is perceived as having a ****y attitude. And together with that he is thought to have a weak chin, he does not have have finishing power, he runs a lot in fights/fights too safe, and seems to be content out-pointing guys. He does not fight in a way that compels large numbers of fans to respect him as a fighter- even as a middle tier fighter.

...I think he will probably run around and out-point Akiyama as well.

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