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Why don't they put fighters on the ground instead of standing them up?


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How many fights do I have to watch where two guys just circle around the ring never throwing anything significant for 90% of the round, when if you do that on the ground they will stand you up for "inactivity"?

 

Little food for thought you lay and pray whiner retards, not that any of them think.

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OK good thought' date=' however how would you pick who is on top and who was in guard?[/quote']

 

The fighter staying closest to the center of the octagon for the majority of the "inactivity period", or the fighter moving mostly forward instead of laterally and backwards. It would be a judgement call, but it's usually obvious who the staller is.

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The fighter staying closest to the center of the octagon for the majority of the "inactivity period"' date=' or the fighter moving mostly forward instead of laterally and backwards. It would be a judgement call, but it's usually obvious who the staller is.[/quote']

 

no it isnt, unless one of them is just running away. When the ref stands the 2 guys up because of inactivity, both fighters are put in an exactly equal position. Now the ref would definitly interfere in the fight by putting one of the guys on top and the other on his back.

 

Considering the fact that judges give so much point just for being on top, that would be just dumb. When you're on the ground it is actually possible to stall or to get into a stalemate position where if one choses to just hold tight nothing will happen. That's why the ref stands them up. When you're standing up that can't happen. You can't keep your opponent from hitting you. If the stand up is ****ty that's cuz of both fighters, and the ref can't do anything about it. If the fighters don't wanna engage what do you want him to do. And don't forget that this is a fight. BJJ is a useful and efficient art but it is only if you're capable of bringing the opponent down. That's the big crack in BJJ. If the fight is brought to the ground by the ref you take away that weakness from BJJ guys.

 

Imagine if in the Leites vs Silva fight, the ref woulda done what you're saying : putting the fighters on the ground, with the one who was running away on his back. That means Silva happens to be placed in Leites's guard. How ****ign dumb would that be. BJJ specialists would just exploit it and run away all night long, waiting for the ref to put it on the ground.

 

As I said. The stand up position is a neutral position. The ground position isn't neutral. You will never start a street fight on the ground. If you're a JJ specialist and wants to bring your opponent to the ground, you better be able to do it. As for the fight being stood up, it's very simple. If you got into a fight and were on your back, holding tight to a guy, making him unable to do any damage while you can't either, this won't last forever. The stalemate will end up breaking because someone will get tired, but it can take long. In a 15 minuts fight when it stalls you don't have the time to wait for one of the guys to get tired and release the hold. When it stalls, the ref presses FFW and breaks it for you thats all.

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The fighter staying closest to the center of the octagon for the majority of the "inactivity period"' date=' or the fighter moving mostly forward instead of laterally and backwards. It would be a judgement call, but it's usually obvious who the staller is.[/quote']

 

For Example, The A.Silva vs. Leites Fight. Leites a BJJ specialist would be rewarded for running from Silva and get Silva on the ground where he wants him?

 

Thats doesnt sound like a great system. Ground Specialist wouldnt even have to engage to get the fight to the matt. they could just avoid getting KO'd and then have the ref put them on the ground where they can basically start a BJJ fight. Essentially it would be like pulling guard without the risk of getting punched or kicked while closing the distance.

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Very good suggestion, but this proves that it wouldnt work:(

 

For Example' date=' The A.Silva vs. Leites Fight. Leites a BJJ specialist would be rewarded for running from Silva and get Silva on the ground where he wants him?

 

Thats doesnt sound like a great system. Ground Specialist wouldnt even have to engage to get the fight to the matt. they could just avoid getting KO'd and then have the ref put them on the ground where they can basically start a BJJ fight. Essentially it would be like pulling guard without the risk of getting punched or kicked while closing the distance.[/quote']

 

I would have loved to see this in the Silva vs Maia fight. Silva put on his back with Maia on top for running:confused::eek::P

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because standing is a nuetral position with both fighters in the same situation' date=' to start it on the ground would atomaticly diss-advantage one of the fighters. its easy to see why they dont.[/quote']

 

This.

 

Plus an MMA match is supposed to simulate a real fight. In a real fight you start standing up and you can be the best BJJ guy in the world but if you cant get the other guy down everything you know is worthless.

 

Theres no reason to compensate for grapplers lack of real fighting ability by making fighters start by rolling around with them.

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How many fights do I have to watch where two guys just circle around the ring never throwing anything significant for 90% of the round' date=' when if you do that on the ground they will stand you up for "inactivity"?

 

Little food for thought you lay and pray whiner retards, not that any of them think.[/quote']

 

And you would pay to see that "genious"?

 

You dont think its already confusing enough for the refs n judges?

 

How about you genious types put your recommendations forward to ufc & mma organisations.

 

Genious. As for the l&p types ive always said they are the equivalent of the stick n move jab jab fighters weve a...most of us have gotten tired of paying to see...."fight".

 

**** off.

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