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Yea a guy who is mostly a striker archnemesis is going to be a good wrestler and a wrestler archnemesis on the ground is going to be a good BJJ Practitioner thats why you have to be skilled in all aspects of fighting, Striking, wrestling,grappling,BJJ,kickboxing,defense,counters... Thats what Bruce Lee had in mind when he came up with Jeet Kune-Do

 

Yea Paul Daley got beat by wrestlers Jake Shields used his wrestling to control him and finish him with an arm bar and make Daley tap, and Kos beat him and other mainly strikers are going to complain because good wrestlers expose there weakness and beat them in true combative honorable fight-MMA. Hardy loss because GSP could control him. So don't complain because a good wrestler exposed your weakness. If your a striker learn from Chuck Liddell he used his good wrestling for take down defense to keep the fight standing so stop being a cry baby because you lost. Many elite wrestlers like Brock Lesnar been wrestling since they were 5 years old and developed strength that maybe a striker may never have but that's why you need to learn BJJ and etc

 

MMA is Bruce Lee's philosophy of Jeet Kune-Do

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Bruce Lee Quote on not having just one form of fighting:

"Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water. Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless ? like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend."

-Bruce Lee

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Bruce Lee Quote on not having just one form of fighting:

"Don't get set into one form' date=' adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water. Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless ? like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend."

-Bruce Lee[/quote']

 

Thats a quote from ??Bruce Lee, the lost interview?? But he is correct!

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Yea a guy who is mostly a striker archnemesis is going to be a good wrestler and a wrestler archnemesis on the ground is going to be a good BJJ Practitioner thats why you have to be skilled in all aspects of fighting' date=' Striking, wrestling,grappling,BJJ,kickboxing,defense,counters... Thats what Bruce Lee had in mind when he came up with Jeet Kune-Do

 

Yea Paul Daley got beat by wrestlers Jake Shields used his wrestling to control him and finish him with an arm bar and make Daley tap, and Kos beat him and other mainly strikers are going to complain because good wrestlers expose there weakness and beat them in true combative honorable fight-MMA. Hardy loss because GSP could control him. So don't complain because a good wrestler exposed your weakness. If your a striker learn from Chuck Liddell he used his good wrestling for take down defense to keep the fight standing so stop being a cry baby because you lost. Many elite wrestlers like Brock Lesnar been wrestling since they were 5 years old and developed strength that maybe a striker may never have but that's why you need to learn BJJ and etc

 

MMA is Bruce Lee's philosophy of Jeet Kune-Do[/quote']

 

The issue isn't wrestling. It's laying on people the whole match for a cheap desicion win. I understand guys want to play it safe as possible because this is the UFC and they did alot to get where theyre at....but i mean come on, fix the scoring, fix the refs letting them lay on eachother the whole match do something. Herb dean is one of my favorite refs and even he barley breaks people up, he jus stands there saying u gotta work guys u gotta work but never does ****

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Yea a guy who is mostly a striker archnemesis is going to be a good wrestler and a wrestler archnemesis on the ground is going to be a good BJJ Practitioner thats why you have to be skilled in all aspects of fighting' date=' Striking, wrestling,grappling,BJJ,kickboxing,defense,counters... Thats what Bruce Lee had in mind when he came up with Jeet Kune-Do

 

Yea Paul Daley got beat by wrestlers Jake Shields used his wrestling to control him and finish him with an arm bar and make Daley tap, and Kos beat him and other mainly strikers are going to complain because good wrestlers [b']expose their weakness and beat them in true combative honorable fight-MMA.[/b] Hardy loss because GSP could control him. So don't complain because a good wrestler exposed your weakness. If your a striker learn from Chuck Liddell he used his good wrestling for take down defense to keep the fight standing so stop being a cry baby because you lost. Many elite wrestlers like Brock Lesnar been wrestling since they were 5 years old and developed strength that maybe a striker may never have but that's why you need to learn BJJ and etc

 

MMA is Bruce Lee's philosophy of Jeet Kune-Do

 

That is what MMA is about.

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I hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but UFC fights aren't real fights. Unlike real fights, these have rules that limit each fighter.

 

Since there are expressed rules to these, the rules can (and should) be reconsidered whenever there's an opportunity for improvement. Fans pay for all of this. They're the customer. Their satisfaction is the bottom line.

 

IMO, there are two recent trends in the UFC. One is "Lay & Pray," and the other is fan dissatisfaction over it. If Dana White knows what he's doing, he'll change the rules in order to encourage more action and less inactivity.

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first things first, if you are good in on earea you are going to rely on that to turn a fight in your favour, in this case wrestling, if you are a good wrestler and can take your opponent down with ease then control them for the win you're going to do it no matter how 'boring' it is as at the endof the day a win is a win.

 

secondly, if you are fighting a wrestler you know whats coming so if he takes you down and grinds out a win against you don't then complain the he 'lay'd and prey'd you, you knew it was coming and should have prepared for it,same if you fight someone from greg jackson's you know whats coming.

 

thirdly, if you fight a wrestler and you're took down and they are doing enough on the floor to stop it from being stood, then it is your job to get back to your feet, or even to stop yourself being took down in the first place, they are only using their strengths against you and if they didn't use their strengths then they'd be pretty stupid not to

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Yea a guy who is mostly a striker archnemesis is going to be a good wrestler and a wrestler archnemesis on the ground is going to be a good BJJ Practitioner thats why you have to be skilled in all aspects of fighting' date=' Striking, wrestling,grappling,BJJ,kickboxing,defense,counters... Thats what Bruce Lee had in mind when he came up with Jeet Kune-Do

 

Yea Paul Daley got beat by wrestlers Jake Shields used his wrestling to control him and finish him with an arm bar and make Daley tap, and Kos beat him and other mainly strikers are going to complain because good wrestlers expose there weakness and beat them in true combative honorable fight-MMA. Hardy loss because GSP could control him. So don't complain because a good wrestler exposed your weakness. If your a striker learn from Chuck Liddell he used his good wrestling for take down defense to keep the fight standing so stop being a cry baby because you lost. Many elite wrestlers like Brock Lesnar been wrestling since they were 5 years old and developed strength that maybe a striker may never have but that's why you need to learn BJJ and etc

 

MMA is Bruce Lee's philosophy of Jeet Kune-Do[/quote']

 

Totally Agree, wrestling is part of MMA if you cant defend yourself against a wrestler from being taken down/controlled its your problem not the opponents you should have come more prepared.

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Like ive said many many times. If you dont want to see a fight go to the ground then watch boxing......
I agree with that logic but imagine there could, someday, be another alternative: If you don't want to see Lay & Pray, then order pay-per-view from some other MMA promoter.

 

Then everyone is happy. Right?

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So why is the pressure on the striker to "learn all aspects" and not on the wrestler?

The point about the flaws in the judging and reffing is that a wrestler doesn't have to be a well rounded fighter at all. If you are a good enough wrestler it doesn't matter if you are a crap striker and have no sub skills (Fitch, Kos, Sonnen, Lentz)

 

A wrestler can manipulate the rules and win a points victory without ever really fighting, just wrestling. But no one is screaming that they need to be more well rounded, just everyone else. This points out a huge discrepancy in the judging criteria and reffing in the UFC.

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Yea a guy who is mostly a striker archnemesis is going to be a good wrestler and a wrestler archnemesis on the ground is going to be a good BJJ Practitioner thats why you have to be skilled in all aspects of fighting' date=' Striking, wrestling,grappling,BJJ,kickboxing,defense,counters... Thats what Bruce Lee had in mind when he came up with Jeet Kune-Do

 

Yea Paul Daley got beat by wrestlers Jake Shields used his wrestling to control him and finish him with an arm bar and make Daley tap, and Kos beat him and other mainly strikers are going to complain because good wrestlers expose there weakness and beat them in true combative honorable fight-MMA. Hardy loss because GSP could control him. So don't complain because a good wrestler exposed your weakness. If your a striker learn from Chuck Liddell he used his good wrestling for take down defense to keep the fight standing so stop being a cry baby because you lost. Many elite wrestlers like Brock Lesnar been wrestling since they were 5 years old and developed strength that maybe a striker may never have but that's why you need to learn BJJ and etc

 

MMA is Bruce Lee's philosophy of Jeet Kune-Do[/quote']

 

HERE HERE ! ! ! ! I still want to rough up people like Junie Browning for spitting at every "boring -ss wrestler". Yet it's people like him that can't even compete with these "boring -ss wrestlers" that he criticizes. Every hater out there needs to really shut up about that sh^t. I don't care if it's not a knock out, it's still a competetive sport. And it should be respected, not spat on. also, long live BJJ!

OK, I'll get off my soapbox now.:):P:o

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I agree with that logic but imagine there could' date=' someday, be another alternative: If you don't want to see Lay & Pray, then order pay-per-view from some other MMA promoter.

 

Then everyone is happy. Right?[/quote']

 

The 'lay and pray' is a factor in domination over an opponent and octogon control. But I agree on all the haters should GO AWAY and find some other PPV. Honestly, why waste time with UFC when there's K-1 or Thai Boxing and many other forms of stand up that they can find. The haters need to shut up and find another sport and leave this to the rest of us who absolutely have NO problem with the wrestling and other forms simular to it.:P

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The 'lay and pray' is a factor in domination over an opponent and octogon control. But I agree on all the haters should GO AWAY and find some other PPV....
That's fine, but you do realize that there are other "factor(s) in dominataion over an opponent and octogon control that are already against the rules, don't you? It's not as if fighters are currently allowed to do anything and everything right now.

 

This would be a very different sport if fighters were free to fight any way they wanted. UFC fights aren't actual fights. "Lay & Pray" takes advantage of existing rules / limitations.

 

How well would "Lay & Pray" work if the layer/prayer weren't wearing a cup? If he had to defend his crotch from being smashed / grabbed / twisted or worse? What if fingers could be grabbed and twisted? What if eyes could be gouged?

 

Face it, guys. These fights already have rules, and those rules could be improved. You guys aren't defending genuine fighting, you're only defending a current set of expressed rules.

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That's fine' date=' but you do realize that there are other "factor(s) in dominataion over an opponent and octogon control that are already against the rules, don't you? It's not as if fighters are currently allowed to do anything and everything right now.

 

This would be a very different sport if fighters were free to fight any way they wanted. UFC fights aren't actual fights. "Lay & Pray" takes advantage of existing rules / limitations.

 

How well would "Lay & Pray" work if the layer/prayer weren't wearing a cup? If he had to defend his crotch from being smashed / grabbed / twisted or worse? What if fingers could be grabbed and twisted? What if eyes could be gouged?

 

Face it, guys. These fights already have rules, and those rules could be improved. You guys aren't defending genuine fighting, you're only defending a current set of expressed rules.[/quote']

 

Sounds like you just want boxing or your favorite fighter to play by a certain set of rules. Once again if a fighter is good enough they can counter 'lay & pray'. Your arguement of changing the rules sounds pretty childish.

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Yea a guy who is mostly a striker archnemesis is going to be a good wrestler and a wrestler archnemesis on the ground is going to be a good BJJ Practitioner thats why you have to be skilled in all aspects of fighting' date=' Striking, wrestling,grappling,BJJ,kickboxing,defense,counters... Thats what Bruce Lee had in mind when he came up with Jeet Kune-Do

 

Yea Paul Daley got beat by wrestlers Jake Shields used his wrestling to control him and finish him with an arm bar and make Daley tap, and Kos beat him and other mainly strikers are going to complain because good wrestlers expose there weakness and beat them in true combative honorable fight-MMA. Hardy loss because GSP could control him. So don't complain because a good wrestler exposed your weakness. If your a striker learn from Chuck Liddell he used his good wrestling for take down defense to keep the fight standing so stop being a cry baby because you lost. Many elite wrestlers like Brock Lesnar been wrestling since they were 5 years old and developed strength that maybe a striker may never have but that's why you need to learn BJJ and etc

 

MMA is Bruce Lee's philosophy of Jeet Kune-Do[/quote']

 

They know enough BJJ to not get submitted. I dont like wrestlers grinding out decisions. BJJ fighters try to finish. Finishing fights isnt even the important thing to me its an effort to finish the fight. Show that you want it so bad you are going to stop at nothing to take this other guy out by any means necessary. It takes away the point of an Ultimate Fighting Championship match. If these wrestlers are going to dominate and continue grinding decisions then switch the name.

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Rogan said it best at his IMMA birthday broadcast!

 

it's not the wrestler's fault that the other guy doesn't know how to sweep/attack from the back... one-dimensional strikers need to stop whining! if you are a fighter and think it sucks that you lost to a guy just holding on to you more or less then it's not the wrestler's fault! L2Sweep!

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