Anabolic Steroids and PED's phenomenon has created mass mental disorder

[xxTRUTHxx]

Anabolic Steroids and Performance Enhancing drugs phenomenon has created mass mental disorder, as it was when people believed in black magic and witchcraft. Despite that science says there is no known drug outside anabolic steroids that can increase muscle mass or strength, people refuse to believe it. Over 90% of the public believe that Performance enhancing drugs are real, even medical professionals. The truth lays with the small percentage of scientist. Strength increase from anabolic steroid use in adult males is most likely from the anti-inflammatory purposes. Society has be come so "brainwashed" that if they see a large muscular man they think that there is no way he can be that big with out steroids or a PED, even though that hypothetical person is natural. It has become the mental disorder of our society to think that if an athlete gains too much weight "he must be on steroids" or if an athlete loses muscle, "he must of been on steroids". even though this hypothetical man just took time off and is not lifting with the same intensity as he once was. Barry Bonds is a perfect example. Barry Bonds never failed a steroid test. He said he never took steroids. The now famous Balco nutritionist Victor Conte who named over 200 athletes said himself he never gave Barry Bonds Steroids. But Barry Bonds gained weight, even though he started a weight training and nutrition regimen where he gained some muscle and fat as you can see in his physique. But becuase he gained weight so many people- media,teammates and fans assumed he took steroids with 0 evidence during this time. This mental disorder creates a hatred that went towards Barry Bonds,a baseball player who simply gained weight, which is normal if you eat right and train right daily for the first time in his career.

 

Anabolic Steroids do not make your head bigger, its based on the steroid myth of the 70's from that when your hair line recedes back like many men's hair line does, it gives the illusion that your forehead is getting bigger thus making it look like your head got bigger

[shinsplint]

That just gave me a headache.

[UFCCagerattler]

A PED can be just about anything,

 

If you smoke dope in order to ease the pain and boredom of training , guess what?

 

You are using a PED.

[StompGrind]

There are more people taking PED's in professional sports than not. I'd also say that well over 60% have taken them at one point or another.

[Technique]

What about HGH are you going to say that has no effect?

[StompGrind]

What about HGH are you going to say that has no effect?

 

Sly Stallone would say no, it works.

[Vendur]

Paragraphs. Try em.

[BSmith99]

Are you STILL banging on about this?

[joshdfs]

Are you STILL banging on about this?

 

He still is under the impression that anyone thinks that simply taking PEDs by themselves will increase muscle mass, strength, or whatever else.

 

It is a fact that PEDs do give a trining advantage. Steroids, HGH, and other PEDs allow your body to recover and repair itself quicker and more efficiently, which allows an athlete to train longer and harder, which does result in increased muscle mass and strength.

 

 

And by the way, Mr. Big Head Bonds had to face perjury charges for claiming he never recieved steroids from Balco, and has openly admitted to using the cream and "supplements" provided to him, though he did say he "didn't Know" they were actually PED's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you Chael Sonnen or someone from the Republican party trying to excuse his cheating and justify it by saying that his breaking the rules didn't give him an advantage?

 

Regardless of whether they actually did him any good or not, he took banned substances, and is now serving his time suspended for it, period.

[UFCCagerattler]

Sly Stallone would say no' date=' it works.[/quote']

 

Look at the guys in baseball who are getting caught.

 

The very best players. The top of the heap. ARod, Manny, Mac,Clemons.

[munkie]

Didn't finish reading this, kinda figured it was ****ing retarded half way through. Anyways, it's the guys that gain 35, 45 lbs of lean muscle in 2 or 3 months that are suspect, not everybody that is big.

[joshdfs]

Didn't finish reading this' date=' kinda figured it was ****ing retarded half way through. Anyways, it's the guys that gain 35, 45 lbs of lean muscle in 2 or 3 months that are suspect, not everybody that is big.[/quote']

 

Not to mention the absolute physical impossibility of adding that much muscle mass in that short of a time.

[StompGrind]

Look at the guys in baseball who are getting caught.

 

The very best players. The top of the heap. ARod' date=' Manny, Mac,Clemons.[/quote']

 

I was saying Sly is a supporter. He has said it works. As for baseball I don't follow it at all.

[UFCCagerattler]

I was saying Sly is a supporter. He has said it works. As for baseball I don't follow it at all.

 

They also just busted the guy who's won the last three tour de frances for blood doping.

 

LAndry said when he was on that tour he paid $90K a year for peds.

 

Of course not to mention the long line of olympic drug busts, probably startinng with the east German womans swim team in the 70s and the chinese womans divers more recently. And Ben Johnson and FLoJo and on and on.

 

The **** works.

 

It also kills.

[xxTRUTHxx]

What about HGH are you going to say that has no effect?

 

HGH (Human Growth Hormone) is the Hormone that makes your bones grow. once your body is done growing, your bones can no longer grow they are fused. Your body still produces HGH until your late 50's. By time your 60 most men stop producing Human Growth Hormone. When some ameature business guys realized this they thought since men at around age 60 stop producing HGH that may mean taking synthetic HGH may stop the aging process becuase when you get 60 you get old, but that is not true.These business men began advertising HGH as the fountain of youth drug. thats why doctors may recommend taking HGH to men around 60 years old. and why hollywood actresses in there 40's who are desperate to stay young take HGH, but its all myth. HGH will not stop the aging process.

 

Scientist who are experts on HGH state that there is no correlation between human growth hormone and muscle mass or strength. and they state that there is no actual effect on the muscles. HGH is mainly for bones not muscle.

 

HGH increasing muscle mass or strength is a myth. HGH making you lose body fat or more "cut" is also a myth since that would be scientifically impossible. But people will believe anything

[StompGrind]

They also just busted the guy who's won the last three tour de frances for blood doping.

 

LAndry said when he was on that tour he paid $90K a year for peds.

 

I heard about this ( maybe ) was he Lance Armstrongs training buddy?

[UFCCagerattler]

I heard about this ( maybe ) was he Lance Armstrongs training buddy?

 

He was on the US postal service team with (behind) Lance. He has said Armstrong is a druggie but it has been sort of put aside as sour grapes.

 

The fact is that the entire cycling world thinks Armstrong was cheating.

 

Like Bonds.

[StompGrind]

He was on the US postal service team with (behind) Lance. He has said Armstrong is a druggie but it has been sort of put aside as sour grapes.

 

The fact is that the entire cycling world thinks Armstrong was cheating.

Like Bonds.

 

And Overhorse

[xxTRUTHxx]

Look at the guys in baseball who are getting caught.

 

The very best players. The top of the heap. ARod' date=' Manny, Mac,Clemons.[/quote']

 

the majority of players who tested positive were no names below average players, but they don't make the headlines like others. And becuase a good player tested positive you must think that means the only reason he is good is becuase of black magic.

 

Science and the truth will prevail

[UFCCagerattler]

And Overhorse

 

Yep.

 

There are just some consensus abusers.

 

I would say LEsnar is in that category, although that is probably over the line mod wise.

[CaptainSuperman]

Dude, not even gonna read it, but everyone in this forum, and people who haven't even signed up yet, have already owned you on this topic, you're dead wrong about everything you type when it comes to this subject. Stop crying.

[BarberBeefcake]

Yep.

 

There are just some consensus abusers.

 

I would say LEsnar is in that category' date=' although that is probably over the line mod wise.[/quote']

 

BANNED SON!!!!!

[UFCCagerattler]

the majority of players who tested positive were no names below average players' date=' but they don't make the headlines like others. And becuase a good player tested positive you must think that means the only reason he is good is becuase of black magic.

 

Science and the truth will prevail[/quote']

 

The truth is that good peds cost tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and that no scrub is going to get that kind if money spent on him.

 

The scrubs are in the dirty little gym injecting dairy cow hormones into each others butts, hoping they can get a shot at the big time.

[StompGrind]

Yep.

 

There are just some consensus abusers.

 

I would say LEsnar is in that category' date=' although that is probably over the line mod wise.[/quote']

 

I think he has in the past not anymore though imo. Not just for things I've noticed physically with him but how defensive he is about the question in interviews leads me to believe he has taken them in the past.

[UFCCagerattler]

BANNED SON!!!!!

 

No I don't think so.

 

MAybe a TD.

 

Or a good talking to.

[BarberBeefcake]

No I don't think so.

 

MAybe a TD.

 

Or a good talking to.

 

i think they're going to be too busy dealing with the macdaddy idiot anyways

[CaptainSuperman]

HGH (Human Growth Hormone) is the Hormone that makes your bones grow. once your body is done growing' date=' your bones can no longer grow they are fused. Your body still produces HGH until your late 50's. By time your 60 most men stop producing Human Growth Hormone. When some ameature business guys realized this they thought since men at around age 60 stop producing HGH that may mean taking synthetic HGH may stop the aging process becuase when you get 60 you get old, but that is not true.These business men began advertising HGH as the fountain of youth drug. thats why doctors may recommend taking HGH to men around 60 years old. and why hollywood actresses in there 40's who are desperate to stay young take HGH, but its all myth. HGH will not stop the aging process.

 

Scientist who are experts on HGH state that there is no correlation between human growth hormone and muscle mass or strength. and they state that there is no actual effect on the muscles. HGH is mainly for bones not muscle.

 

HGH increasing muscle mass or strength is a myth. HGH making you lose body fat or more "cut" is also a myth since that would be scientifically impossible. But people will believe anything[/quote']

 

I know you didn't write that, but wherever you got it from is wrong for the most part.

 

Did you even bother to check with Wiki first? Here are some other effects HGH HELP achieve...

 

Increases calcium retention, and strengthens and increases the mineralization of bone

Increases muscle mass through sarcomere hyperplasia

Promotes lipolysis

Increases protein synthesis

Stimulates the growth of all internal organs excluding the brain

Plays a role in fuel homeostasis

Reduces liver uptake of glucose

Promotes gluconeogenesis in the liver[26]

Contributes to the maintenance and function of pancreatic islets

Stimulates the immune system

 

Now please, stop acting like you know what you're talking about

[UFCCagerattler]

I think he has in the past not anymore though imo. Not just for things I've noticed physically with him but how defensive he is about the question in interviews leads me to believe he has taken them in the past.

 

If you think logically about Lesnar - how could he NOT have been involved with PEDS?

 

He came up in the NC2A at a time when peds were rampant. Every football in NC2A from the 1960s until quite recently has had at least some exposure to them. It has also always been a place where they walked the thin line between what was banned, and what was not banned because it was too new to be banned.

 

ANyone in an NC2A athletic program in the 1980s or 90s would have been exposed to PEDs.

[UFCCagerattler]

i think they're going to be too busy dealing with the macdaddy idiot anyways

 

And it isn't like I am accusing Lesnar of anything. I am just pointing out that he is widely believed to have had some exposure to them.

 

Just like Bonds.

[joshdfs]

the majority of players who tested positive were no names below average players' date=' but they don't make the headlines like others. And becuase a good player tested positive you must think that means the only reason he is good is becuase of black magic.

 

Science and the truth will prevail[/quote']

 

Truth?

 

OK the truth is that Barry Bonds averaged under 30 HR's for the first several years of his career and his numbers slowly increased in a time frame correllating exactly with the time when Balco was sending him PEDs.

 

Same with MacGuire, Sosa, A-Rod. The numbers speak for themselves.

 

Ben Johnson never finished better than 3rd in international competition, but shaved off 1.5 seconds from his average time and broke the world's record.

 

Lyle Alzado was on his way out of the NFL and suddenly became the most dominant defensive player in the league in his final few years in the game.

 

No they won't make hand eye coordination better or the ability to see the pitch. But increased muscle mass means increased strength, increased strength means increased bat speed, increased bat speed means increased slugging percentage...

 

All the evidence is right there in the open, I just don't get where it is you are trying to go with this?

[BarberBeefcake]

And it isn't like I am accusing Lesnar of anything. I am just pointing out that he is widely believed to have had some exposure to them.

 

Just like Bonds.

 

yeah, i'm pretty sure (99.999%) that he did them in wwe too, he just got a little too big there for a while

[UFCCagerattler]

And just to finish that thought - we have forced this whole issue underground because of the threat of punishment. There may be a bunch of people who would come forward except that they don;t want to risk getting in trouble.

 

Its a tough situation. Because really the most important aspect should be examining and helping people who's health might have been compromised by using that stuff.

[BarberBeefcake]

And just to finish that thought - we have forced this whole issue underground because of the threat of punishment. There may be a bunch of people who would come forward except that they don;t want to risk getting in trouble.

 

Its a tough situation. Because really the most important aspect should be examining and helping people who's health might have been compromised by using that stuff.

 

 

true......very true

[xxTRUTHxx]

The truth is that good peds cost tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and that no scrub is going to get that kind if money spent on him.

 

The scrubs are in the dirty little gym injecting dairy cow hormones into each others butts' date=' hoping they can get a shot at the big time.[/quote']

 

there are people injecting drugs into there body's, but they will not increase strength, the only strength gain will be associated with the anti-inflammatory properties. Just because an athlete takes it doesn't mean it works. that very stupid logic if that's the logic your going by.

 

An unnatural drug is not going to magically make you stronger or give you endurance. Everyone thinks there steroid experts-that's part of the mass mental disorder. they think they know everything about steroids. These people will go on and on on what steroids do. If there was really a drug that directly made your muscle bigger your di*k would get bigger too. people would be injecting there di*k with these magical drugs

 

Now if you say the common amateur response "they make you recover faster" -the only way that's true is if its related to the anti-inflammatory purposes

[UFCCagerattler]

 

Argue with this dude.

 

Come on now.

 

Look at this dude and tell us again that roids don't build muscle.

[xxTRUTHxx]

yeah' date=' i'm pretty sure (99.999%) that he did them in wwe too, he just got a little too big there for a while[/quote']

 

exactly you can't comprehend a big muscular athlete can be that big, so with your mental disorder you justify it in your head he must of took steroids. you don't even realize that your doing it do you

[BarberBeefcake]

exactly you can't comprehend a big muscular athlete can be that big' date=' so with your mental disorder you justify it in your head he must of took steroids. you don't even realize that your doing it do you[/quote']

 

look at a picture of brock in his wwe days and look at him now.......it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out he's not as big any more, he tipped the scales at over 300 pounds in his wwe days...........and steriods were like candy in that locker room

[UFCCagerattler]

exactly you can't comprehend a big muscular athlete can be that big' date=' so with your mental disorder you justify it in your head he must of took steroids. you don't even realize that your doing it do you[/quote']

 

Actually all you need to do is look at Bonds HR stats.

 

Like Macguire and Sosa his best years were when he should have been trailing off in production.

 

Better training?

 

100 years of baseball says otherwise.

[xxTRUTHxx]

 

Argue with this dude.

 

thank you, this guy testimony said the more he took the weaker his arms got and the bigger his biceps got. he also had an infection in both arms alot of that size in his arms is fluid. he had to drain his arms daily of the fluid , it was painful for him. He said he couldn't curl over 50 lbs(that's 25lbs each arm)

He is the perfect example the strong ant-inflammatory properties of the steroids was the reason his arms were able took like that plus the fluid in his arms.

 

and also think and notice there is nobody else like that, if steroids worked like that everyone would have arms like that but no one else does---he had the fluid

[sonson86]

still trying to defend sonnen I see... he got cault using things he should not have been using end of story. Let me guess he was using things that just raised his testosterone but it could have been something he got over the counter. Does not matter he cheated and got cault so we will see him next year..... dont you find it funny that he still has not tried defend him self yet? Know why? Cause he knows he cheated and is going to take his suspension for doing so.

[xxTRUTHxx]

Actually all you need to do is look at Bonds HR stats.

 

Like Macguire and Sosa his best years were when he should have been trailing off in production.

 

Better training?

 

100 years of baseball says otherwise.

 

?Barry bonds only hit over 50 home runs once in his career and he started a serious wt.lifting and nutrition regimen for the first time in his career.

[CaptainSuperman]

Ahem. Quit ducking posts and stop acting like you know what you're saying, when you can't even bother to check the Wiki.

 

And PS, THAT guy in that pic was probably taking some cheap, not brand name stuff, and a lot of it. Certain stuff will give you a lot of water retention, which makes you're arms bigger, but it's only water, not muscle, and you don't get stronger. Brand name stuff however...you get less water retention, and more results with bigger MUCSLES (not water retention) and MORE STRENGTH!

 

Do some ******* research first

[xxTRUTHxx]

I know you didn't write that' date=' but wherever you got it from is wrong for the most part.

 

Did you even bother to check with Wiki first? Here are some other effects HGH HELP achieve...

 

Increases calcium retention, and strengthens and increases the mineralization of bone

Increases muscle mass through [b']sarcomere hyperplasia[/b]

Promotes lipolysis

Increases protein synthesis

Stimulates the growth of all internal organs excluding the brain

Plays a role in fuel homeostasis

Reduces liver uptake of glucose

Promotes gluconeogenesis in the liver[26]

Contributes to the maintenance and function of pancreatic islets

Stimulates the immune system

 

Now please, stop acting like you know what you're talking about

 

Hyperplasia lol well some idiot who know's nothing posted that on wikipedia- hyperplasia is cancer-"increase muscle mass from hyperplasia" would only be from a tumor or cancer. You have the same amount of muscle cells at age 40 than you do when you are born. muscle cells can only get bigger. getting new muscle cells is called tumors or cancer. wikipedia have alot of fake misinformation...and yes i did type that post

[CaptainSuperman]

?barry bonds only hit over 50 home runs once in his career and he started a serious wt.lifting and nutrition regimen for the first time in his career.

 

and guess what ladies and gentlmen!? What is one thing to take during your training to help you?!??!?!? Steroids and pedsssssssss congrazt! Ding ding ding! You ******* win!!!!!

[CaptainSuperman]

Hyperplasia lol well some idiot who know's nothing posted that on wikipedia- hyperplasia is cancer-"increase muscle mass from hyperplasia" would only be from a tumor or cancer. You have the same amount of muscle cells at age 40 than you do when you are born. muscle cells can only get bigger. getting new muscle cells is called tumors or cancer. wikipedia have alot of fake misinformation...and yes i did type that post

 

Cancer? WTF? LMAO. Wrong' date=' yet AGAIN!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperplasia

Difference from neoplasia

 

Hyperplasia is considered to be a physiological (normal) response to a specific stimulus, and the cells of a hyperplastic growth remain subject to normal regulatory control mechanisms. This stands in contrast to neoplasia (the process underlying cancer and benign tumors), in which genetically abnormal cells proliferate in a non-physiological manner which is unresponsive to normal stimuli.[2]

As seen in examples below, such physiological proliferation of cells may in fact be secondarily due to a pathological cause. Still, the proliferation itself is a normal response to another abnormal condition, in contrast to neoplasia, where the proliferation in itself is abnormal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplasia

You're thinking of NEOplasia.

 

Research research research. Please try again

[xxTRUTHxx]

look at a picture of brock in his wwe days and look at him now.......it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out he's not as big any more' date=' he tipped the scales at over 300 pounds in his wwe days...........and steriods were like candy in that locker room[/quote']

 

he weighed 292 lbs at his peak in wwe, If you have a high calorie diet lift heavy weight short reps you get size. when you train endurance you sacrifice size. Brock was at the peak of human size unlike a 155lbs fighter....the public are always going to stereotype and believe in magic unless indisputable science and truth are presented in your face and still people will still refuse to believe the truth because the brainwashing is so far deep, that it would not be common knowledge until a couple of generations come to pass. i mean im sure there is some people who still believe witch craft is real

yes stereotyping you are doing. not knowing the human body yes you are guilty of

[BarberBeefcake]

he weighed 292 lbs at his peak in wwe' date=' If you have a high calorie diet lift heavy weight short reps you get size. when you train endurance you sacrifice size. Brock was at the peak of human size unlike a 155lbs fighter....the public are always going to stereotype and believe in magic unless indisputable science and truth are presented in your face and still people will still refuse to believe the truth because the brainwashing is so far deep, that it would not be common knowledge until a couple of generations come to pass. i mean im sure there is some people who still believe witch craft is real

yes stereotyping you are doing. not knowing the human body yes you are guilty of[/quote']

 

blah blah blah..................i'll let you get back to being owned by superman;)

[xxTRUTHxx]

Cancer? WTF? LMAO. Wrong' date=' yet AGAIN!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperplasia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplasia

You're thinking of NEOplasia.

 

Research research research. Please try again[/quote']

 

try again Hyperplasia is an increase in cells

 

the human body doesn't get more muscle cells- common human body knowledge!, you have the same amount of muscle cells that you are born with.

 

from that wikipedia page-"one is able to cause hyperplasia which actually increases the number of muscle cells present in the tissue" < WTF not in humans buddy!

Creating new muscle cells LMAO

Get a Clue, i can't believe you think that

I guess you just not educated enough for this conversation.

[CaptainSuperman]

try again Hyperplasia is an increase in cells

 

the human body doesn't get more muscle cells- common human body knowledge!' date=' you have the same amount of muscle cells that you are born with.

 

from that wikipedia page-"one is able to cause hyperplasia which actually increases the number of muscle cells present in the tissue" < WTF not in humans buddy!

Creating new muscle cells LMAO

Get a Clue, i can't believe you think that

I guess you just not educated enough for this conversation.[/quote']

 

Cells aren't created outta nowhere, cells split, or proliferate.

 

"Hyperplasia may be due to any number of causes, including increased demand (for example, proliferation of basal layer of epidermis to compensate skin loss), chronic inflammatory response, hormonal dysfunctions, or compensation for damage or disease elsewhere. Hyperplasia may be harmless and occur on a particular tissue. An example of a normal hyperplastic response would be the growth and multiplication of milk-secreting glandular cells in the breast as a response to pregnancy, thus preparing for future breast feeding.

 

Hyperplasia may also be induced artificially by injecting hormones such as IGF-1 and human growth hormone. Perhaps the most interesting and potent effect IGF has on the human body is its ability to cause hyperplasia, which is an actual splitting of cells. By contrast, hypertrophy is what occurs, for example, to skeletal muscle cells during weight training and steroid use and is simply an increase in the size of the cells. With IGF use, one is able to cause hyperplasia which actually increases the number of muscle cells present in the tissue. Weight training with or without anabolic steroid use enables these new cells to mature in size and strength."

 

Wanna keep going?

[joshdfs]

The cold hard truth of the matter Mr. Canseco is that they are called PERFORMANCE ENHANCERS for a reason. They are banned from use in every competetive sport in this country and most of the world for a reason.

 

I have seen absolutely no one in this forum claim that simply injecting roids alone will increase strength, mass, or any of that like you are going on about. It is a FACT that the aid in recovery, muscular repair, and muscular oxygenation during exertion gives an advantage over someone doing the same amount of work without the drugs.

 

And I am still waiting to see just what exactly is your point to this entire misguided attempt to excuse or justify the use of PEDs by any athlete, especially when it is also proven fact that use of these drugs by still developing young people causes severe and irreparable harm to them physiologically and psychologically.