ThirstForBLOOD Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Rory was getting the better of striking and wrestling over Condit for the first 2 rounds of their fight. Condit comes in and KTFO's Hardy in less than a round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Absolutely. It also makes GSP look worse. Condit looks ready to beat the champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pessimist_Pete Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rising_Sun_Kyokushin Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Id say Not really, thats almost MMA math, anything can happen at any given time, Dan getting caught with a sweet punch, dosent make Rory look a better fighter because he didnt (have that happen to him:) But Rory IS ace... and prob under rate by some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaySmartGE Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Yes. But it doesnt always work like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamEvans Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Rory was getting the better of striking and wrestling over Condit for the first 2 rounds of their fight. Condit comes in and KTFO's Hardy in less than a round. Naw Hardy just got caught. It happens to everybody. Condit is a good fighter but his win over hardy doesnt really knock hardy down the ranks. It definitely boosts Condit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pessimist_Pete Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Absolutely. It also makes GSP look worse. Condit looks ready to beat the champ. I'm probably missing something, but how does it make GSP look worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 This is just mma math. Styles make fights. It all depends from certain matchups. Condit knew Hardy wount try to take him down and he could open up more easily where Rory was also threatening with takedowns hence Condit was more careful with his standup. The only way two see who is better would be to make Hardy and Rory fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 COndit out a guy away in 3 minutes that GSP couldn;t put away at all. If it makes Rory look better then it has to make GSP look worse. Same logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldnuts Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Yes, and no. Fights have MANY factors. Having said that, MacDonald was impressive and just could not keep it up. Condit showed the heart of a champion in that fight I knew Condit would have better standup. Technique over size/power again. WEC champion and deserves the next shot at GSP. Also shows Hardy didn't really deserve it. This is just mma math. Styles make fights. It all depends from certain matchups. Condit knew Hardy wount try to take him down and he could open up more easily where Rory was also threatening with takedowns hence Condit was more careful with his standup. The only way two see who is better would be to make Hardy and Rory fight. Always. The only way is to match them up. Well said. I'd put my money on Rory any day. That kid is going to go a long way as he matures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Yes' date=' and no. Fights have MANY factors. Having said that, MacDonald was impressive and just could not keep it up. Condit showed the heart of a champion in that fight I knew Condit would have better standup. Technique over size/power again. WEC champion and deserves the next shot at GSP. Also shows Hardy didn't really deserve it.[/quote'] Deserve has nuthin to do with it. There's no rankings. Its all up to the boss who fights who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed420 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 COndit out a guy away in 3 minutes that GSP couldn;t put away at all. If it makes Rory look better then it has to make GSP look worse. Same logic. gsp chose to take him down and try to sub him and after seeing that i dont think anyone will ever tap hardy, if gsp stood there and banged with him he probably would of ko'd him as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 gsp chose to take him down and try to sub him and after seeing that i dont think anyone will ever tap hardy' date=' if gsp stood there and banged with him he probably would of ko'd him as well[/quote'] He's been subbed three times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Rory was getting the better of striking and wrestling over Condit for the first 2 rounds of their fight. Condit comes in and KTFO's Hardy in less than a round. Here's the thing, for all you people who don't watch fights with their eyes open.. Condit was winning that entire fight. MacDonald was NOT getting the better of the striking. His takedowns came off of Condit's kicks/knees. He had ZERO offense on the ground. MacDonald was a game opponent, but he got beat up for 15 minutes. Learn how to open your eyes when watching a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed420 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 He's been subbed three times. he's evoulved more i dont think any one in the future will sub hardy unless his arms about to snap in half , does that sound better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed420 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Here's the thing' date=' for all you people who don't watch fights with their eyes open.. Condit was winning that entire fight. MacDonald was NOT getting the better of the striking. His takedowns came off of Condit's kicks/knees. He had ZERO offense on the ground. MacDonald was a game opponent, but he got beat up for 15 minutes. Learn how to open your eyes when watching a fight.[/quote'] really man you seen it that way how drunk where you lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 he's evoulved more i dont think any one in the future will sub hardy unless his arms about to snap in half ' date=' does that sound better?[/quote'] No it still sounds silly. Anybody can get subbed. Fedor got subbed - even if it took 30 plus fights and BJJ world champion to do it - fedor still got subbed. Everybody loses at this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Here's the thing' date=' for all you people who don't watch fights with their eyes open.. Condit was winning that entire fight. MacDonald was NOT getting the better of the striking. His takedowns came off of Condit's kicks/knees. He had ZERO offense on the ground. MacDonald was a game opponent, but he got beat up for 15 minutes. Learn how to open your eyes when watching a fight.[/quote'] This. Based off of damage Condit was without a doubt winning that fight. The first round I gave to Rory though. Second could have gone either way. Joe Rogan kept talking about the front kick at the end of the second that knocked Condit down. That didn't even land. Condit fell because after his front kick nailed MacDonald straight in the face he slipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 This. Based off of damage Condit was without a doubt winning that fight. The first round I gave to Rory though. Second could have gone either way. Joe Rogan kept talking about the front kick at the end of the second that knocked Condit down. That didn't even land. Condit fell because after his front kick nailed MacDonald straight in the face he slipped. YOu have to forgive Joe. He is somewhat starry eyed about leg kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 really man you seen it that way how drunk where you lol I don't drink. So to answer your question, I wasn't drunk at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed420 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 No it still sounds silly. Anybody can get subbed. Fedor got subbed - even if it took 30 plus fights and BJJ world champion to do it - fedor still got subbed. Everybody loses at this game. i see where you coming from and if you think im a huge hardy fan im not i dont really care for the guy i just think he has excelent sub defs thats all, and can see it improving more, i could see him getting caught in a triangle and tapping right before he passes out other than that i think you'll have to snap his arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undisputed420 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 I don't drink.So to answer your question' date=' I wasn't drunk at all.[/quote'] ya well same here and i seen it even coming into the 3rd round untill condit went ape on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisCrowing Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Yes, given that McDonald lasted longer. However, Condit did not 'destroy' Hardy as the fight was pretty much equal, and he got a flash-KO, which hardy could just as easily gotten if he'df thrown a fraction of a second earlier. A first round KO, when both fighters are swinging like that actually tells you VERY little about either fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 This. Based off of damage Condit was without a doubt winning that fight. The first round I gave to Rory though. Second could have gone either way. Joe Rogan kept talking about the front kick at the end of the second that knocked Condit down. That didn't even land. Condit fell because after his front kick nailed MacDonald straight in the face he slipped. First round was Condit's, too. He tied him up and beat on him every time he was taken down, and he also damn near dropped him with a right hand. You guys are funny. With all the "takedowns don't win fights!!" talk, yet people think MacDonald was winning. Talk about double-standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Yes' date=' given that McDonald lasted longer. However, Condit did not 'destroy' Hardy as the fight was pretty much equal, and he got a flash-KO, which hardy could just as easily gotten if he'df thrown a fraction of a second earlier. A first round KO, when both fighters are swinging like that actually tells you VERY little about either fighter.[/quote'] Hardy's punch landed first. Watch closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Yes' date=' given that McDonald lasted longer. However, Condit did not 'destroy' Hardy as the fight was pretty much equal, and he got a flash-KO, which hardy could just as easily gotten if he'df thrown a fraction of a second earlier. A first round KO, when both fighters are swinging like that actually tells you VERY little about either fighter.[/quote'] It tells you which one won and which one lost. Thats really the only thing a fight can tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlequin Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Absolutely. It also makes GSP look worse. Condit looks ready to beat the champ. I'm probably missing something' date=' but how does it make GSP look worse?[/quote']Yeah, you missed something alright. Condit gave the kind of performance fans enjoy. Versus the same opponent, GSP gave the kind of performance that caused some fans to fall asleep (and I mean that literally -- search the forums and see). If you can't see a distinct difference, then all I have to say is welcome to the world of professional mixed martial arts. Because he's the champion, you might expect GSP to provide an even-better performance, not a worse one. Get it? If you're not brand new to this -- and that certainly may be the case -- then can I assume you hug GSP's balls so tightly that it affects your ability to think clearly? edit: sleep / asleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage0fTheDeViL Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Yeah it makes Rory look like an absolute monster and Condit knocking the living **** out Hardy, made GSP's win a complete joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTerribleWilliamson Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Absolutely. It also makes GSP look worse. Condit looks ready to beat the champ. Ha ha...and you make yourslef look like a moron Since coming to the UFC Condit has looked like shxt against opponents he was supposed to walk through...up until this fight he's been mediocre at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Ha ha...and you make yourslef look like a moron Since coming to the UFC Condit has looked like shxt against opponents he was supposed to walk through...up until this fight he's been mediocre at best. Umm.. How was Condit expected to walk through Martin Kampmann? Please explain that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Yeah it makes Rory look like an absolute monster and Condit knocking the living **** out Hardy' date=' made GSP's win a complete joke![/quote'] No it doesn't. GSP's performance left no doubt about what would happen in a rematch. GSP > Hardy every single time. Condit vs Hardy 2 could end up a little different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCJERSEYSINCE98 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Off the general question but Condit looked good for the short period of time the fight lasted. It was nice to see that talking trash get knocked out. I think it's about matchups and I assume Condit and Mac have both gotten better since that time so it is hard to really answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunchBag Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 No it doesnt make him look better, hardy has a solid chin and condit has good power the difference is condit landed a perfect punch on hardys chin that would have likley dropped anyone. With striking it is completely possible to get lucky. Im not saying condit wouldnt have won the fight otherwise im saying he just didnt get lucky against rory. Condit is the last WEC WW champ hes a solid respected fighter and rory was a new fighter to the ufc that put up a good fight he earned plenty of respect even before the hardy fight. But its still to early to talk about a matchup with GSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrocksBigBro Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Id say Not really' date=' thats almost MMA math, anything can happen at any given time, Dan getting caught with a sweet punch, dosent make Rory look a better fighter because he didnt (have that happen to him:) But Rory IS ace... and prob under rate by some.[/quote'] Spot on. Completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodimus Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 COndit out a guy away in 3 minutes that GSP couldn;t put away at all. If it makes Rory look better then it has to make GSP look worse. Same logic. You have no logic.Hardy said it himself at the end."I got hit in the face."If you are a banger who is willing to stand and bang with another banger.Then plain and simple,one of you will be sleeping early.Simple logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot_Act101 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 i think that rory looks great anyway, i think that carlos's experience wass the deciding factor in there fight. hardy got tagged. it happens to anyone. i would like to see anyfighter get hit that hard and just laugh it off. BUT CARLOS IS AN ANIMAL!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turlochhealy10 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 No it still sounds silly. Anybody can get subbed. Fedor got subbed - even if it took 30 plus fights and BJJ world champion to do it - fedor still got subbed. Everybody loses at this game. he sed hel never tap as he hasnt hes only been choked out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosnianbjj Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 lol condit beat hardy at his own game and gsp couldn't finish him at his game xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazlufc Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 lol condit beat hardy at his own game and gsp couldn't finish him at his game xD This thread is total bulls**t. Condit beat Hardy to the punch by 0.1254 of a second,otherwise it would have been Condits eyes rolled in the back of his head. Im a Hardy fan but well done Carlos,great punch! I still think GSP would beat Condit easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazlufc Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 And one more point for all the Condit butt lickers,2 decent punches including the KO one and Mr Carlos is now gonna destroy GSP.How does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 This thread is total bulls**t.Condit beat Hardy to the punch by 0.1254 of a second' date='otherwise it would have been Condits eyes rolled in the back of his head. Im a Hardy fan but well done Carlos,great punch! I still think GSP would beat Condit easily.[/quote'] Hardy's punch landed first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkie Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Rory was getting the better of striking and wrestling over Condit for the first 2 rounds of their fight. Condit comes in and KTFO's Hardy in less than a round. Nope, not at all. Hardy has always been an overrated clown. If MMAth actually meant anything, it'd just mean that Rory would also **** up the turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiousmat Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 no since his victory over macdonald's was a display of superiority while his victory over Hardy was nothing but coin flipping. He just threw wild punches without covering his head at all, even ate Hardy's punch and was kinda lucky that it didn't land clean. Fighting like that could get him KO'd against basically anyone. By anyone I mean anyone.. throw any agressive dude in there who knows how to put power in his punch and without any specific training, if condit fought like that some newb like that could even end up knocking him out. I think victories like that show absolutely nothing good about a fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveuk91 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 i dont think you can say that really put mc donald in with hardy n see what happens dan hardy is still 1 of the best ww in ufc ! condit done well im disspointed for dan hardy just wonder what happens next for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technique Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Condit yet again proved his chin. He had confidence in his chin and decided to stand and trade with Hardy... very balsy and absolutely deserves huge respect. GSP is a smart figher and decided to make his fight against hardy a sure thing. But Macdonald absolutely looks better since he give Condit one hell of a fight. I expect to see big things from Rory in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 I was looking forward to seeing MacDonald vs Matt Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLane Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 why would it? McDonald lost to Condit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobster Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 why would it? McDonald lost to Condit I believe he's trying to point out that Macdonald lasted longer than Hardy did. some peoples kids....makes you wonder sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 You have no logic.Hardy said it himself at the end."I got hit in the face."If you are a banger who is willing to stand and bang with another banger.Then plain and simple' date='one of you will be sleeping early.Simple logic.[/quote'] So we can;t use the results of fights to determine the relative skill of fighters. Dam. That makes it pretty tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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