Jamhet Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 After the way Shields dominated Henderson, it's obvious he's gonna destroy GSP. Anyway - if he does - should he move up a weightclass and fight Anderson Silva? With his great bjj skills - far better than those of Sonnen - he would be a great threat for the spider. And we know Silva doesn't like wrestling based grapplers. He fought at MW already so he might eventually go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 After the way Shields dominated Henderson' date=' it's obvious he's gonna destroy GSP.Anyway - if he does - should he move up a weightclass and fight Anderson Silva? With his great bjj skills - far better than those of Sonnen - he would be a great threat for the spider. And we know Silva doesn't like wrestling based grapplers. He fought at MW already so he might eventually go up.[/quote'] Shields won't beat GSP or Anderson. Both will destroy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz2990 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 You better hope he gets by Kampman and if he does he will have trouble with either Kos, Fitch, or GSP. I would say wait to see what he does against the top compition in the WW division before going up to MW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shields won't beat GSP or Anderson. Both will destroy him. Not sure how you can say that after watching the Sonnen fight. Shields submission grappling isnt even comparable to Sonnens, in a different league. He also walked through a Hendo hook and took him down, hes got an amazing chin. I think he would submit AS. GSP however... I think he has the TDD to keep it standing and would beat him on the feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shields won't beat GSP or Anderson. Both will destroy him. then maybe one more fight and he'll be out like Hendo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshdfs Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Well if he did expose GSP in the octagon I would hope the first thing he does is pull poor Georgie's speedo back up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Well if he did expose GSP in the octagon I would hope the first thing he does is pull poor Georgie's speedo back up! lol getting a chubby looking at George, josh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Not sure how you can say that after watching the Sonnen fight. Shields submission grappling isnt even comparable to Sonnens' date=' in a different league. He also walked through a Hendo hook and took him down, hes got an amazing chin. I think he would submit AS. GSP however... I think he has the TDD to keep it standing and would beat him on the feet.[/quote'] Shields won't sub Anderson and in a 5 rounder Anderson will knock him out at some point. Just a matter of time. I respect Shields skills but he'll be lucky to make it past Kampmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 then maybe one more fight and he'll be out like Hendo Henderson was not booted from the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shields won't sub Anderson and in a 5 rounder Anderson will knock him out at some point. Just a matter of time. I respect Shields skills but he'll be lucky to make it past Kampmann. Shields won't even get Anderson down. Sonnen has the best applicable wrestling at MW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshdfs Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 lol getting a chubby looking at George' date=' josh?[/quote'] Not at all, I am thinking of the Emergency Room overload all across Canada as the result of a few million Canadian fans wanking themselves into comas after seeing theobject of their man-love naked. The thought actually makes me throw up in my mouth a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shields won't sub Anderson and in a 5 rounder Anderson will knock him out at some point. Just a matter of time. I respect Shields skills but he'll be lucky to make it past Kampmann. Yes, because he knocked out Sonnen the way everyone thought he would... To say definitively that Shields wont sub him is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shields won't even get Anderson down. Sonnen has the best applicable wrestling at MW I kind of agree but I think he could take Andy down if Andy gets aggressive. Whether or not he gets KO'd on the first attempt is yet to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I kind of agree but I think he could take Andy down if Andy gets aggressive. Whether or not he gets KO'd on the first attempt is yet to be seen. Anderson was only aggressive against Chael when Chael shocked him standing. Anderson is a counter-striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Yes' date=' because he knocked out Sonnen the way everyone thought he would... To say definitively that Shields wont sub him is ridiculous.[/quote'] Not as rediculous as saying he will definitively sub Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Anderson was only aggressive against Chael when Chael shocked him standing. Anderson is a counter-striker Andy can be baited just like anyone else. Will it happen...I doubt it but Shields will certainly try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Andy can be baited just like anyone else. Will it happen...I doubt it but Shields will certainly try. Shields is too robotic to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshdfs Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Honestly I can see Shields Beating GSP, their skillsets basically nullify each other and that would put GSP in a spot he has not been in very often, only twice that I can remember, and he folded and tapped. But Shields plodding forward wrestling style plays into Silva's perfectly, I honestly couldn't see Jake making it past one round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Za_Xiong Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I won't go as far as saying he would beat GSP and Silva..He would be a better Jon Fitch. Always second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Honestly I can see Shields Beating GSP' date=' their skillsets basically nullify each other and that would put GSP in a spot he has not been in very often, only twice that I can remember, and he folded and tapped. But Shields plodding forward wrestling style plays into Silva's perfectly, I honestly couldn't see Jake making it past one round.[/quote'] I disagree whole heartedly on Shields vs GSP. GSP is better at Shields in every area. And even if they were close GSP is a better athlete and would out work Shields. I don't think Shields could last 5 rounds with GSP without gassing even half way through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shields is too robotic to do it. Maybe. His shot is pretty fast and his standup is getting smoother. If he can manage to clinch without getting tooled first I believe he'll take him down. It won't be easy getting in there though especially without taking damage and I see the fight going much like Silva vs. Maia sadly. Except at one point I expect Anderson to pick it up and really start picking him apart from the outside and Shields getting desperate and getting caught badly. Thats pretty much how I see it playing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shields won't even get Anderson down. Sonnen has the best applicable wrestling at MW I dont know how the hell you have earned any respect on here. I always see you saying ridiculous things with nothing to back them up' date=' bashing anyone who disagrees with you and acting like you are some sort of MMA expert and its starting to get really annoying. Sonnen may have the best applicable wrestling at MW, not denying that. He took Silva down with ease though, I didnt see any TDD. When has AS ever shown TDD that would make you think he can stop Shields at all let alone every TD attempt? Do you have [b']anything[/b] to back up this drivel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shields would get annihilated against Anderson. He is a little small for mw imo anyways. He has a much better chance against Gsp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I disagree whole heartedly on Shields vs GSP. GSP is better at Shields in every area. And even if they were close GSP is a better athlete and would out work Shields. I don't think Shields could last 5 rounds with GSP without gassing even half way through More drivel. Shields has far better submission grappling, its not even debatable. I think GSP has the TDD to stop him from implementing it but to say that GSP is better in every area is ****ing clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shields would get annihilated against Anderson. He is a little small for mw imo anyways. He has a much better chance against Gsp. I see him getting annihilated by GSP too. I actually think GSP would just stand-up with him and beat him on the feet. He's certainly capable of doing that and nullifying Jake's whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I dont know how the hell you have earned any respect on here. I always see you saying ridiculous things with nothing to back them up' date=' bashing anyone who disagrees with you and acting like you are some sort of MMA expert and its starting to get really annoying. Sonnen may have the best applicable wrestling at MW, not denying that. He took Silva down with ease though, I didnt see any TDD. When has AS ever shown TDD that would make you think he can stop Shields at all let alone every TD attempt? Do you have [b']anything[/b] to back up this drivel? don't be mad because I'm better then you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangoKush Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shields wont even get past Kampmann, hes gona get picked apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Chael does not apply to Middleweight because he has admitted to juicing. Using that knowledge and some common sense, He has been juicing in past UFC fights also which would put as much pressure on him to take the needle knowing success could get him a title shot. Chael does not apply because steroid use does not apply. You lose your belt and get a suspension for juicing. Chael's success in the middleweight is completely guesswork now. Chael has a history of first round submission lossess and a plentiful round 2 submission lossess. he also has had more than one cut stoppages because his takedowns are slow and heavy, trying to use brute force over technique. You know what else gives brute force? Steroid use. My theory is that he was juiced hard for Anderson and the brute force allowed him to go as far as he did, otherwise he would have been submitted earlier which in itself is weak wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalMilitia Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 He ll get submitted by kampmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 He ll get submitted by kampmann If he does I'll laugh because Martin has no real belt ranking and Shields is backing his whole "american jiu jitsu" bs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 don't be mad because I'm better then you Why am I not surprised that this is the best comeback you could come up with? Its as worthless as anything else you type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhet Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 GSP is better at Shields in every area. Except he cannot pulloff a submission to save his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeping_death18 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 lmao your getting a little to ahead of yourself man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirRender Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Yes, Shields dominated a washed-up Hendo, that doesn't mean he'll be able to touch GSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Yes' date=' Shields dominated a washed-up Hendo, that doesn't mean he'll be able to touch GSP.[/quote'] Hendo hit him round one with his signature punch and Jake Survived it sowashed up or not Jake handled him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulq Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 If he does I'll laugh because Martin has no real belt ranking and Shields is backing his whole "american jiu jitsu" bs However, with how MAA has transformed over the last couple of years. I think we're going to see alot of submission experts that have never trained BJJ or wrestling as a sport for em self. But trained MAA, meaning that we aint going to see the same amount of belts. Atleast thats what i think... However im no oracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Except he cannot pulloff a submission to save his life. yet Shields has more decisions then GSP and has fought lesser opponents then GSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 yet Shields has more decisions then GSP and has fought lesser opponents then GSP Wow how insightful, did you come up with that yourself? Are you trying to disagree and say that GSP has better submissions than Shields or is this just more inane chatter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Wow how insightful' date=' did you come up with that yourself? Are you trying to disagree and say that GSP has better submissions than Shields or is this just more inane chatter?[/quote'] What I'm saying, since your apparently slow in the head, is that GSP has faced tougher competetion in the UFC thus has less submission wins. If GSP fought the robbie lawler's of the world of course he would submit them too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 yet Shields has more decisions then GSP and has fought lesser opponents then GSP Not sure what standard you base your information but Jake Shields has fought many formidable opponents and you seem to like to point out the contrary alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirRender Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Hendo hit him round one with his signature punch and Jake Survived it sowashed up or not Jake handled him. But are we to judge Shields on the Hendo win and the other 13(?) nobodies he's beat? I get it that he's good, but he's not GSP good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlebright Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 However' date=' with how MAA has transformed over the last couple of years. I think we're going to see alot of submission experts that have never trained BJJ or wrestling as a sport for em self. But trained MAA, meaning that we aint going to see the same amount of belts. Atleast thats what i think... However im no oracle [/quote'] I agree. Matt Hughes is not officially ranked in BJJ yet he submitted Ricardo Almeida, a BJJ black belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Not sure what standard you base your information but Jake Shields has fought many formidable opponents and you seem to like to point out the contrary alot. dude Shields didn't have a legit opponent till 2006 which was like 16 fights in. GSP had 5 fights before he got into the ufc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 But are we to judge Shields on the Hendo win and the other 13(?) nobodies he's beat? I get it that he's good' date=' but he's not GSP good.[/quote'] not true.Pure lie. Condit,Daley,Okami,Hendo,pyle who just beat hathaway. seriously not true.And thats just what i remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 What I'm saying' date=' since your apparently slow in the head, is that GSP has faced tougher competetion in the UFC thus has less submission wins. If GSP fought the robbie lawler's of the world of course he would submit them too[/quote'] Ok so what you are saying is that if GSP fought less skilled people he would have a better chance of submitting them. Wow Kang I bow to your knowledge, it takes a real expert to come up with insightful information like that, Im sure no one would have come to that conclusion without you laying it out like that.... But the question was: Do you think that GSP has better submissions than Shields? To carry it further: Do you think GSP could submit Mike Pyle? Do you think Shields would fail to submit Dan Hardy in a 25 minute match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhet Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 However' date=' with how MAA has transformed over the last couple of years. I think we're going to see alot of submission experts that have never trained BJJ or wrestling as a sport for em self. But trained MAA, meaning that we aint going to see the same amount of belts.[/quote']MMA? But you've got a totaly accurate point. Many fighters nowdays just MMA schools, where they are taught everything what belongs in MMA by instructors that are MMA fighters rather than particular martial art specialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesbonesbones Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shields is totally gonna expose GSP... as the best all around fighter in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirRender Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 not true.Pure lie. Condit' date='Daley,Okami,Hendo,pyle who just beat hathaway. seriously not true.And thats just what i remember[/quote'] And do you think any of those people can beat GSP? Nope, so when we're talking about Shields "exposing" GSP and you use fighters who don't have a prayer to beat GSP you are on shaky ground. I suppose I could have worded the "nobodies" accusation better, but then we're just arguing semantics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCisGSP Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Oh, I didn't realize he went through Kampmann already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalMilitia Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 If he does I'll laugh because Martin has no real belt ranking and Shields is backing his whole "american jiu jitsu" bs What are you talkin about, Kampmann is a submission wrestler, no belts there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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