The_Power Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Junior Dos Santos, who is next in line for a UFC heavyweight title shot, weighs in on Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez, the fight that determines his next opponent http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=12922&zoneid=13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerociousKO Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Junior Dos Santos' date=' who is next in line for a UFC heavyweight title shot, weighs in on Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez, the fight that determines his next opponent http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=12922&zoneid=13 It doesn't matter who wins out of Brock and Cain because the winner is going to get stomped by that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhet Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I think that Brock would be an easier opponent for JDS, because - as we saw in the Carwin fight - you can overwhelm him with dominant striking. Whereas Cain is too good a striker to get dominated by JDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I think that Brock would be an easier opponent for JDS' date=' because - as we saw in the Carwin fight - you can overwhelm him with dominant striking. Whereas Cain is too good a striker to get dominated by JDS.[/quote'] he got dominated by Kongo striking so i have no idea where you came up with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I think that Brock would be an easier opponent for JDS' date=' because - as we saw in the Carwin fight - you can overwhelm him with dominant striking. Whereas Cain is too good a striker to get dominated by JDS.[/quote'] Cain would be shooting for a TD faster than he did against Kongo. Anyone who thinks Cain has great striking has been buying into UFC hype instead of watching him fight... If he tried to strike with JDS he would be on his back in the first 2 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck42 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I love the wreslting comment. JDS: Thats why I stayed in the US for four days, to work on my wrestling. 4 days? I know that JDS is a beast but he should have left the number of days out of his answer. spending a few weeks here and there isnt gonna help against either Brock or Caine. Just like Lesnar boxing for a few months isnt going to make him a KO machine or very comfortable striking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickTF Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Look forward to checking this out when I get home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 well i can see both jds and cain being overwhelmed by lesnars speed and size,sorry state of afairs if that happens...but I think cain may pull the win out,then lose to jds looking forward to the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck42 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I think that Brock would be an easier opponent for JDS' date=' because - as we saw in the Carwin fight - you can overwhelm him with dominant striking. Whereas Cain is too good a striker to get dominated by JDS.[/quote'] Not so sure about the "Caine is too good a striker" comment. He is a good fighter and pushes the pace hwoever I wouldnt say he is a striker or a good striker. he is a good wrestler who can mix up punches and kicks. more of a GnP than striker with above average stand up defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__blitzkrieg__ Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 JDS cant beat Brock or Cain. But I think he has a better chance to beat Lesnar, although a Velasquez-JDS fight would be very interesting, but JDS would need to improve his cardio, especially for a 5 rd fight with Cain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhet Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I love the wreslting comment. JDS: Thats why I stayed in the US for four days' date=' to work on my wrestling. 4 days? I know that JDS is a beast but he should have left the number of days out of his answer.[/quote']LOLZ He obviously meant 40 days. Duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerociousKO Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I love the wreslting comment. JDS: Thats why I stayed in the US for four days' date=' to work on my wrestling. [b']4 days[/b]? I know that JDS is a beast but he should have left the number of days out of his answer. spending a few weeks here and there isnt gonna help against either Brock or Caine. Just like Lesnar boxing for a few months isnt going to make him a KO machine or very comfortable striking. He said 40 days, and that means he has been training nothing but wrestling for 40 days in the usa, and you can guarentee that he is training wrestling like crazy back home in brazil aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinisterclown Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I don't understand what makes anyone think Cains cardio is a big advatnage. When has brock ever seemed like cardio was a factor. Just because a fighter doesn't go to the 5th round doesn't mean he can't. Not to mention Brock has dieted properly which means a healthier stronger fighter. JDS is probably wanting Cain to win for the simple fact that Cain will stand and bang. Knowing this JDS is couting on his superior striking to KO Cain which he probably feels is more accomplishable then KO'ing brock. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 It doesn't matter who wins out of Brock and Cain because the winner is going to get stomped by that man. Have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest_Griffin_13 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 JDS is a classy guy, hes a beas,t and will be the next heavy weight champ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I am excited to see JDS vs Brock/Cain. Either fight would be good. I think that JDS would be better against Cain though just because I think that Brock would get the takedown quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 It doesn't matter who wins out of Brock and Cain because the winner is going to stomp that man. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker_Kid Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 he got dominated by Kongo striking so i have no idea where you came up with that. This^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForcexrecoN Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 YOUR ALL IN DENIAL, You know very well that JDS is the next HW champion regardless. Brazil will take over. GO JDS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker_Kid Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I love the wreslting comment. JDS: Thats why I stayed in the US for four days' date=' to work on my wrestling. 4 days? I know that JDS is a beast but he should have left the number of days out of his answer. spending a few weeks here and there isnt gonna help against either Brock or Caine. Just like Lesnar boxing for a few months isnt going to make him a KO machine or very comfortable striking.[/quote'] I know it dont make a difference but i dont know if he said 4 or 40. 40 seems more reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven_McTowelie Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 training 40 days of wrestling straight against a guy who has been wrestling pretty much his entire life is rather pointless A for effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 training 40 days of wrestling straight against a guy who has been wrestling pretty much his entire life is rather pointless A for effort If it were a wrestling match I would agree. I dont think its pointless for him to practice TDD for a mma match though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven_McTowelie Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 If it were a wrestling match I would agree. I dont think its pointless for him to practice TDD for a mma match though... Against Brock it is its not a matter of if your going to get taken down its a matter of when and hhow many times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UfcDoWork Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Cain would be shooting for a TD faster than he did against Kongo. Anyone who thinks Cain has great striking has been buying into UFC hype instead of watching him fight... If he tried to strike with JDS he would be on his back in the first 2 minutes. haha this but it really doesnt matter cuz neither of them are gunna beat brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerbo Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 It doesn't matter who wins out of Brock and Cain because the winner is going to get stomped by that man. I thought so too, until the JDS/Nelson fight. Now I think JDS has been a bit over-rated and would possibly have trouble with Cain and definitely have trouble with Lesnar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rain_wizard Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 It looked like JDS gassed in the Nelson fight. If he doesnt KO cain then Cain would get the takedowns and dominate JDS over 3 or 5 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIMBOB Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Does anyone think that when Lesnar turned turtle against Carwin this could have been a real strategy? and one he may employ again? I know its unlikely to be planing on weathering such a storm but really I think Lesnar realised he hasn't got the standup to match Carwin (nor Cain or JDS) and as such heads to where he is comfortable. Is Brock more comfortable on his back against these guys than standing and trading? I would say yes. Its a new theory of mine, condem it at will. As to JDs and 4 or 40 days, the guy already has a good ground game and adding some wrestling knowledge to that would pay real dividends. If I did 4 days of wrestling training I would learn a little but when a BJJ brown belt does it they already have a huge knowledge of grappling. It looked like JDS gassed in the Nelson fight. If he doesnt KO cain then Cain would get the takedowns and dominate JDS over 3 or 5 rounds. I have heard some say he didn't gas but simply lost heart as he couldn't put Roy away, I am not sure which is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLynch Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Psh, the people that say he "lost heart" really have no idea... But I do think that JDS working on wrestling really is necessary.. I do question JDS's punching power only a tiny tiny bit, because Arlovski put fat boy out in what the 2nd round? Given Arlovski is a damn beast, and maybe JDS just couldn't find the sweet spot... Who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickTF Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 JDS owns Cain given he will KO him and be able to sprawl against him. Kongo had Cain hurt and Kong is no where near as dangerous and has no where near the sprawl. That said I don't see JDS beating Lesnar. I believe he can sprawl Cain all day but not Lesnar who shoots faster and with far far more force. Is it the 23rd yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIMBOB Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Surprised by all the love for JDS considering the lack of belief in him shown in this thread a week or so ago. How does JDS beat Lesnar? http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=58658 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickTF Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Surprised by all the love for JDS considering the lack of belief in him shown in this thread a week or so ago. How does JDS beat Lesnar? http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=58658 No hate from me, I just don't think he has what it takes and made my case in this thread you've linked to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyTown Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 JDS could KO either one of them but they can both put him on his back. IMO Cain has good enough striking to stand with JDS tho, not saying he's better but he is a smart fighter. I think he learned alot from the Kongo fight and is only going to get better. Either way it will be a great fight. I hope Cain beats Lesnar for 2 reasons... 1- to shut Lesnar up 2- Cain vs Dos Santos will be an AMAZING fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticalFTW Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 The reason everyone thinks Cain's striking is great is because of the reels that are showed and the hype that is built. Overall though, he has great conditioning, possibly the best in his division, heck, maybe the best conditioning UFC-wide. He is also the type of guy that gets hit and comes back stronger. I mean seriously, he would have had 2x more years of wrestling but he wanted to strike instead. The only reason he is even in the business is because he wants the championship (ever since he was a little kid) . Brock's strength and size can make it harder for Cain to transverse though, and controlling a guy like Brock on the ground is very hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIMBOB Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 The only reason he is even in the business is because he wants the championship (ever since he was a little kid) . Really? how does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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