MR_BUCKET Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 an overated ben rothwell and an out of his prime nog i say cheick kongo was his only good opponent and he couldnt even finish him. Now i checked all his previous fights and his opponents records and there not even that great brad morris - w10 7 L jake obrien - w13 9L dennis stokojic w7 L 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Who has any UFC HW really beaten? Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_BUCKET Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Who has any UFC HW really beaten? Get it? frank mir shane carwin heath herring randy couture brock started facing top fighters when he started mma cain started facing cans when he started there is a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Exactly. Each other. Big whoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_BUCKET Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Exactly. Each other. Big whoop. your not making any sense . im talking about his opponents. so stfu comprehende Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 your not making any sense . im talking about his opponents. so stfu comprehende You are talking about a small group of nobodies who has fought only each other. Other than JDS you can throw the whole divison out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz2990 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Why dont you try to make a thread thats actually worth reading! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_BUCKET Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Why dont you try to make a thread thats actually worth reading! I post what i like you dont like it dont click comprehende Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_BUCKET Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 You are talking about a small group of nobodies who has fought only each other. Other than JDS you can throw the whole divison out. so brock lesnar fought a bunch of nobodies once again your not making any sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck42 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 It is really funny how JDS is getting a crack at Brock after Caine. JDS victories are far better than Caines. In his last 6 fights the only mid-level fighter is Struve. He has fought CroCop, Yvel, Gonzaga, Nelson, and Verdum. and he finished them all except Nelson. Caine has fought only one fighter that is a top level guy and most are feeling he is washed up now (Big Nog) after being KOd in 2 of his last 3 fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 so brock lesnar fought a bunch of nobodies once again your not making any sense NOt even a bunch. A handful. Stop exaggerating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddievanhalen3 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 not really anyone that impressive... his fight vs Kongo was lame too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 He KO'd Nog. Thats what got him the title shot. Just like how Brock got a UD over Herring after losing his first fight got him his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_BUCKET Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 NOt even a bunch. A handful. Stop exaggerating. now i know your just trolling good day\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 now i know your just trolling good day\ Thanks for the webcam shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRedScare Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Who had Brock beaten when he got his title shot? comprehende? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Who has Brock defeated that's really that good. Frank Mir (Who he also lost to) is overrated.... Heath Herring is really overrated Randy Couture was 45 at the time and 50 pounds lighter than Brock.... Shane Carwin wasted his energy by not even hitting Brock. He hit Brock's arms more than he hit Brock's face. Brock is the most overrated fighter in the history of MMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticKJ Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 It is really funny how JDS is getting a crack at Brock after Caine. JDS victories are far better than Caines. In his last 6 fights the only mid-level fighter is Struve. He has fought CroCop' date=' Yvel, Gonzaga, Nelson, and Verdum. and he finished them all except Nelson. Caine has fought only one fighter that is a top level guy and most are feeling he is washed up now (Big Nog) after being KOd in 2 of his last 3 fights.[/quote'] if Nog is washed up and you are discrediting him as an opponent....the same can be said for Cro Cop and Yvel...Gonzaga and Werdum (at the time) weren't top contenders either...Nelson is relevant at the moment...and he had a decision with him... neither guy has done anything that impressive...Cain and JDS beat who was placed in front of them...no difference....Cain gets the shot so the UFC can infiltrate deeper into the Spanish-speaking demographic that they may not have gotten when Huerta left... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticKJ Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Thanks for the webcam shot. lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 frank mir shane carwin heath herring randy couture brock started facing top fighters when he started mma cain started facing cans when he started there is a difference pure lie. Brocks first MMA fight was against an Asian can who i can barely remember the name of but who also fought Jose Canseco. He then moved on to get submitted by frank Mir and then faced Heath Herring, a guy who is known to have the weakest wrestling defense outside of Kongo. Heath Herring was completely dominated by a smaller Ken'o Brien in his UFC debut. Who is Ken o Brien? Good question. Finally you talk about Cain fighting over the hill wash outs like Nogueira (who is a legend btw so mind yourself) but you have no problem mentioning Brock Beating an 224 lbs underweight past-his-prime Randy (mind myself, also a legend). Finally Nogueira absolutly destroyed Randy so the fact the Cain fought him and Brock fought Randy cancel themselves. Both Brock and Cain are good fighters however, we have already seen Cain's chin, recovery, and striking ability in late rounds. Brock is still undetermined since his best competition laid down and died last fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck42 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 if Nog is washed up and you are discrediting him as an opponent....the same can be said for Cro Cop and Yvel...Gonzaga and Werdum (at the time) weren't top contenders either...Nelson is relevant at the moment...and he had a decision with him... neither guy has done anything that impressive...Cain and JDS beat who was placed in front of them...no difference....Cain gets the shot so the UFC can infiltrate deeper into the Spanish-speaking demographic that they may not have gotten when Huerta left... I wasnt discrediting him just stating that some people think he is on the decline. I feel that CroCop, Werdum, and Gonzaga were considered top of the heap fighters when JDS fought them, however in hindsight the arugment can be made regarding signs of declining skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I wasnt discrediting him just stating that some people think he is on the decline. I feel that CroCop' date=' Werdum, and Gonzaga were considered top of the heap fighters when JDS fought them, however in hindsight the arugment can be made regarding signs of declining skills.[/quote'] Yes, Werdum has done so much worse since his loss to JDS... Wait what?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck42 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 pure lie. Brocks first MMA fight was against an Asian can who i can barely remember the name of but who also fought Jose Canseco. He then moved on to get submitted by frank Mir and then faced Heath Herring' date=' a guy who is known to have the weakest wrestling defense outside of Kongo. Heath Herring was completely dominated by a smaller Ken'o Brien in his UFC debut. Who is Ken o Brien? Good question. Finally you talk about Cain fighting over the hill wash outs like Nogueira (who is a legend btw so mind yourself) but you have no problem mentioning Brock Beating an 224 lbs underweight past-his-prime Randy (mind myself, also a legend). Finally Nogueira absolutly destroyed Randy so the fact the Cain fought him and Brock fought Randy cancel themselves. Both Brock and Cain are good fighters however, we have already seen Cain's chin, recovery, and striking ability in late rounds. Brock is still undetermined since his best competition [b']laid down and died last fight[/b]. lol! thats classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck42 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Yes' date=' Werdum has done so much worse since his loss to JDS... Wait what??[/quote'] its actually funny! but a lot of people think that if a fighter gets cut or leaves the UFC that they are fighting "cans" from other orgs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 its actually funny! but a lot of people think that if a fighter gets cut or leaves the UFC that they are fighting "cans" from other orgs. Yes its amazing the gossip on this forum about strikeforce and ex-UFC fighters. Paul Daley is a great example. One moment he is hot and ready for contention then he is struggling outside the UFC and overrated. The UFC has expensive taste for talent and skill but trust me, styles make fights and strikeforce has many fighters who would surprise you given the right opponent regardless of how great that opponent may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedvvayz Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 an overated ben rothwell and an out of his prime nog i say cheick kongo was his only good opponent and he couldnt even finish him. Now i checked all his previous fights and his opponents records and there not even that great brad morris - w10 7 L jake obrien - w13 9L dennis stokojic w7 L 5 Cain "The Mexican" Velasquez Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira TKO (Punches) Win Ben Rothwell TKO (Punches) Win Cheick Kongo Decision (Unanimous) Win Denis Stojnic TKO (Punches) Win Jake O'Brien TKO (Punches) Win Brad Morris TKO (Punches) Win Jeremiah Constant TKO (Punches) Win Jesse Fujarczyk TKO (Punches) Brock "The European" Lesnar Win Shane Carwin Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke) Win Frank Mir TKO (Punches) Win Randy Couture TKO (Punches) Win Heath Herring Decision (Unanimous) Loss Frank Mir Submission (Kneebar) Win Min Soo Kim Submission (Punches) Hmmz, record wise. There pretty much even.Brock with 5-1 and Cain 8-0. I see Brock taking it though, He is just a big monster with wrestling skills. Key to wrestling is power and cardio. Not downgrading Cains skills. But Brock defently has the power. I see him just laying on him and poiunding him out. He is not going to stand with Cain. he is going to pull a GSP all night long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booneiowaguy Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Who has Brock defeated that's really that good. Frank Mir (Who he also lost to) is overrated.... Heath Herring is really overrated Randy Couture was 45 at the time and 50 pounds lighter than Brock.... Shane Carwin wasted his energy by not even hitting Brock. He hit Brock's arms more than he hit Brock's face. Brock is the most overrated fighter in the history of MMA. Your mom's overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Your mom's overrated. Well you got me there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booneiowaguy Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Well you got me there.... LOL....I love 'mom jokes.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLynch Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Brock is the most overrated fighter in the history of MMA. It saddens me to see that somebody who posts on a UFC forum 3200 times within the last few months would say something so ignorant. Wouldn't the part of your brain that evaluates logic prevent you from rambling as you did prior to what I quoted? Seriously man, I've been lurking on this forum for over a year, and it's been time for me to speak up for a while now. "Overrated" ?... These people fight in the UFC, and obviously have a pedigree that shows their worth. Frank Mir just KO'd Cro Cop, and (besides whatever "that fight was boring, that was a lucky knee" comeback you have) however you wanna look at it.. HE KO'D CRO COP. Overrated?... Shut up dude.. You dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr788 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Stop breathing into this thread and giving it life, STOP!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven_McTowelie Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 it saddens me to see that somebody who posts on a ufc forum 3200 times within the last few months would say something so ignorant. Wouldn't the part of your brain that evaluates logic prevent you from rambling as you did prior to what i quoted? Seriously man' date=' i've been lurking on this forum for over a year, and it's been time for me to speak up for a while now. "overrated" ?... These people fight in the ufc, and obviously have a pedigree that shows their worth. Frank mir just ko'd cro cop, and (besides whatever "that fight was boring, that was a lucky knee" comeback you have) however you wanna look at it.. He ko'd cro cop. Overrated?... Shut up dude.. You dumb [/quote'] +100000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckstillbest4ever Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 frank mir shane carwin heath herring randy couture brock started facing top fighters when he started mma cain started facing cans when he started there is a difference Brock got a title shot after one win. Cain had to work for his shot. There is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckstillbest4ever Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Who had Brock beaten when he got his title shot? comprehende? Great point! He was just really hyped that's why they gave him a title shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UfcDoWork Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Thank you man cain is ALL hype and overrated has not beat ANYONE..Brock has beat the soooo called MAN randy couture former champ...Mir former champ...Heath...And Shane he cane best win is a washed up big nog...But yea guys you are all soooo right cain is the man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckstillbest4ever Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Who has Brock defeated that's really that good. Frank Mir (Who he also lost to) is overrated.... Heath Herring is really overrated Randy Couture was 45 at the time and 50 pounds lighter than Brock.... Shane Carwin wasted his energy by not even hitting Brock. He hit Brock's arms more than he hit Brock's face. Brock is the most overrated fighter in the history of MMA. Exactly what i've been thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckstillbest4ever Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 pure lie. Brocks first MMA fight was against an Asian can who i can barely remember the name of but who also fought Jose Canseco. He then moved on to get submitted by frank Mir and then faced Heath Herring' date=' a guy who is known to have the weakest wrestling defense outside of Kongo. Heath Herring was completely dominated by a smaller Ken'o Brien in his UFC debut. Who is Ken o Brien? Good question. Finally you talk about Cain fighting over the hill wash outs like Nogueira (who is a legend btw so mind yourself) but you have no problem mentioning Brock Beating an 224 lbs underweight past-his-prime Randy (mind myself, also a legend). Finally Nogueira absolutly destroyed Randy so the fact the Cain fought him and Brock fought Randy cancel themselves. Both Brock and Cain are good fighters however, we have already seen Cain's chin, recovery, and striking ability in late rounds. Brock is still undetermined since his best competition laid down and died last fight.[/quote'] One word. Genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckstillbest4ever Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Your mom's overrated. Lol nice 3rd grade comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technique Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Cain is a machine.... Brock is a beast. This is going to be an awesome fight. I see no point in trying to discredit Brock's opponents before he even fights them. If your a fan of Brock Lesnar why devalue his future accomplishments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckstillbest4ever Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 It saddens me to see that somebody who posts on a UFC forum 3200 times within the last few months would say something so ignorant. Wouldn't the part of your brain that evaluates logic prevent you from rambling as you did prior to what I quoted? Seriously man' date=' I've been lurking on this forum for over a year, and it's been time for me to speak up for a while now. "Overrated" ?... These people fight in the UFC, and obviously have a pedigree that shows their worth. Frank Mir just KO'd Cro Cop, and (besides whatever "that fight was boring, that was a lucky knee" comeback you have) however you wanna look at it.. HE KO'D CRO COP. Overrated?... Shut up dude.. You dumb [/quote'] He didn't say anything about Frank Mir smart ***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckstillbest4ever Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Cain is a machine.... Brock is a beast. This is going to be an awesome fight. I see no point in trying to discredit Brock's opponents before he even fights them. If your a fan of Brock Lesnar why devalue his future accomplishments? Even though I don't like Brock, I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLynch Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 He didn't say anything about Frank Mir smart ***. *AHEM* Who has Brock defeated that's really that good. Frank Mir (Who he also lost to) is overrated.... Heath Herring is really overrated Randy Couture was 45 at the time and 50 pounds lighter than Brock.... Shane Carwin wasted his energy by not even hitting Brock. He hit Brock's arms more than he hit Brock's face. Brock is the most overrated fighter in the history of MMA. "chuckstillbest4ever" You are dumb. You are really dumb, you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedvvayz Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 an overated ben rothwell and an out of his prime nog i say cheick kongo was his only good opponent and he couldnt even finish him. Now i checked all his previous fights and his opponents records and there not even that great brad morris - w10 7 L jake obrien - w13 9L dennis stokojic w7 L 5 Cain "The Mexican" Velasquez Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira TKO (Punches) Win Ben Rothwell TKO (Punches) Win Cheick Kongo Decision (Unanimous) Win Denis Stojnic TKO (Punches) Win Jake O'Brien TKO (Punches) Win Brad Morris TKO (Punches) Win Jeremiah Constant TKO (Punches) Win Jesse Fujarczyk TKO (Punches) Brock "The European" Lesnar Win Shane Carwin Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke) Win Frank Mir TKO (Punches) Win Randy Couture TKO (Punches) Win Heath Herring Decision (Unanimous) Loss Frank Mir Submission (Kneebar) Win Min Soo Kim Submission (Punches) Hmmz, record wise. There pretty much even.Brock with 5-1 and Cain 8-0. I see Brock taking it though, He is just a big monster with wrestling skills. Key to wrestling is power and cardio. Not downgrading Cains skills. But Brock defently has the power. I see him just laying on him and poiunding him out. He is not going to stand with Cain. he is going to pull a GSP all night long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickTF Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 He squeeked by Kongo who looked awful against fricken Browne which is far too new to say much except that he looks to be an interesting addition to the HW division. Cain controlled the fight but honestly he didn't hurt Kongo at all just wore him out with baby taps. Further, he was in a slight bit of trouble a few times having eaten a few shots from Kongo. Rothwell looked horrible yet was still fine taking those pillow punches in which had Maz not been the ref it likely wouldn't have been stopped. Nog was impressive but that's to be determined given Nog seems to have really really fallen off. 121 will tell all that needs told about this guy and I don't expect anything posative to come of it for Cain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach_stunna Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 cains gonna win:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 an overated ben rothwell and an out of his prime nog i say cheick kongo was his only good opponent and he couldnt even finish him. Now i checked all his previous fights and his opponents records and there not even that great brad morris - w10 7 L jake obrien - w13 9L dennis stokojic w7 L 5 Thats right, Cain is overated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven_McTowelie Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Thats right' date=' Cain is overated.[/quote'] But yet the hype train keeps chugging along picking passangers up regularly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Who had Brock beaten when he got his title shot? comprehende? Who did Frank Mir beat for his? Wes Sims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven_McTowelie Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Who did Frank Mir beat for his? Wes Sims. Haters gonna HATE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kunta Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 U guys are all idiots. Just wait till Saturday and stop making stupid posts of whos fighting record is better because everything outside of the octagon doesn't matter. Its what happens inside the octagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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