Illuminati1988 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 If UFC was to adopt pride/dream rules and fighters were allowed to kick and knee their opponents on the ground, which fighters do you think would benefit the most from this? I would assume strong wrestlers such as Lesnar, Koscheck, GSP, Fitch would become a lot more dangerous and perhaps a lot more fights would get finished. Imagine GSP dropping knees to Matt Serra's head instead of his body in their second fight..pretty graphic images come to my mind. However, there wouldn't be much use of this change for fighters who have no wrestling and are unable to take their opponents to the ground. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 If UFC was to adopt pride/dream rules and fighters were allowed to kick and knee their opponents on the ground' date=' which fighters do you think would benefit the most from this? I would assume strong wrestlers such as Lesnar, Koscheck, GSP, Fitch would become a lot more dangerous and perhaps a lot more fights would get finished. Imagine GSP dropping knees to Matt Serra's head instead of his body in their second fight..pretty graphic images come to my mind. However, there wouldn't be much use of this change for fighters who have no wrestling and are unable to take their opponents to the ground. What do you think?[/quote'] the rules already favour wrestlers why give them an ultra advantage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiletSeat Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 It would help fighters with good sprawls and i think Fitch would stop a lot more fighters as well as GSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati1988 Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Because UFC was created in order to see what would happen when you put fighters against each other in a real life situation. And in real life, knees and kicks would be used heavily. Why would you not want to see fighters knee and kick on the ground? A lot of people would stop complaining about Lay and Pray and there would be a lot more finishes...win, win if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Because UFC was created in order to see what would happen when you put fighters against each other in a real life situation. And in real life' date=' knees and kicks would be used heavily. Why would you not want to see fighters knee and kick on the ground? A lot of people would stop complaining about Lay and Pray and there would be a lot more finishes...win, win if you ask me.[/quote'] true it would be good but it would never be sanctioned in America or Britain (maybe scotland) but what i will say there was also only a hand full of strong wrestlers in Pride a hell of alot of BJJ practitioners and a hell of alot of strikers! could they have been allowed to make it an even playing field for the strikers in Pride???? i mean if they managed to reverse position they would not know how to properly maintain a hold or that so it may have been to even the playing field on the ground! or it may just be for the excitement! But rules in Asia are alot less strict than they are here! It would be good to watch but alot more injurys would take place longer medical suspensions and struggling to find decent challengers for titles and that due to people being injured there would be alot more cracked skulls broken orbital bones and so on so really i dont think it would be worth it! Was excellent to watch though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati1988 Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 true it would be good but it would never be sanctioned in America or Britain (maybe scotland) but what i will say there was also only a hand full of strong wrestlers in Pride a hell of alot of BJJ practitioners and a hell of alot of strikers! could they have been allowed to make it an even playing field for the strikers in Pride???? i mean if they managed to reverse position they would not know how to properly maintain a hold or that so it may have been to even the playing field on the ground! or it may just be for the excitement! But rules in Asia are alot less strict than they are here! It would be good to watch but alot more injurys would take place longer medical suspensions and struggling to find decent challengers for titles and that due to people being injured there would be alot more cracked skulls broken orbital bones and so on so really i dont think it would be worth it! Was excellent to watch though Yeah I know it would be near impossible to get these rules sanctioned in The States. But it would be damn exciting to watch brutal fights again...would love to see Wandy and Shogun stomp the hell out of someone. A guy can dream...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaquin Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 When GSp fought in TKO knees to the head were allowed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9bEbAb2DTQ&feature=related Go to about 4:50 and see what GSP can do with knees on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Yeah I know it would be near impossible to get these rules sanctioned in The States. But it would be damn exciting to watch brutal fights again...would love to see Wandy and Shogun stomp the hell out of someone. A guy can dream...... i have a bone to pick with Wanderlei for that lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 When GSp fought in TKO knees to the head were allowed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9bEbAb2DTQ&feature=related Go to about 4:50 and see what GSP can do with knees on the ground. what the hell was on his back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati1988 Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 When GSp fought in TKO knees to the head were allowed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9bEbAb2DTQ&feature=related Go to about 4:50 and see what GSP can do with knees on the ground. Wow...was not aware that TKO allowed knees on the ground. Thanks for the link! G-Sot and GSP, in my opinion, are the best guard passers in the UFC. They could cause a whole lot of damage from side control if knees were permitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven_McTowelie Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 they plain and simply dont belong in the UFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati1988 Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 i have a bone to pick with Wanderlei for that lol Haha you can't hate on Wanderlei for being his brutal self Like Joe Rogan said in one of his fights, he is a true treasure of MMA (or something to that extent) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Haha you can't hate on Wanderlei for being his brutal self Like Joe Rogan said in one of his fights' date=' he is a true treasure of MMA (or something to that extent)[/quote'] well its not that he stomped it was the finish of the Kondo fight that bothers me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Any fighter with a decent sprawl would benefit. They could actually punish people for missing takedowns... Hardest hit would be ankle grabbers like Munoz. I would love to see him get booted in the head when hes crawling around on the mat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati1988 Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 well its not that he stomped it was the finish of the Kondo fight that bothers me I can see what you're saying. That was one nasty finish though. Kondo was like dead after those stomps. I felt bad for him. Im a Yuki fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I can see what you're saying. That was one nasty finish though. Kondo was like dead after those stomps. I felt bad for him. Im a Yuki fan. no not just the finish but the way he bended the rules to get the finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati1988 Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 no not just the finish but the way he bended the rules to get the finish Holding on to the ropes you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Holding on to the ropes you mean? ya lol but the staff there favoured Wandy heavily over there anyway cause he was a fan fav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green17 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Shogun Rua would benefit the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydegoat Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Because UFC was created in order to see what would happen when you put fighters against each other in a real life situation. And in real life' date=' knees and kicks would be used heavily. Why would you not want to see fighters knee and kick on the ground? A lot of people would stop complaining about Lay and Pray and there would be a lot more finishes...win, win if you ask me.[/quote'] youre a tool. ufc was not created to real world fights. what do you want bats and 2x4's in there next, why not there out in the real world. with crap like you want this would still be back ally brawl there would be no tv show, or all the web. people that really want to see this stuff is the reason people say it will never make it all the way to main stream sports. grow up people do you want it to be a sport or just a fight. ufc is to test fighting styles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerbo Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Because UFC was created in order to see what would happen when you put fighters against each other in a real life situation. And in real life' date=' knees and kicks would be used heavily. Why would you not want to see fighters knee and kick on the ground? A lot of people would stop complaining about Lay and Pray and there would be a lot more finishes...win, win if you ask me.[/quote'] And the sport would no longer be sanctioned. Good idea, if you want to drive MMA back underground. But if you want to continue watching PPVs regularly on TV then you might want to reconsider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
res0 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 youre a tool. ufc was not created to real world fights. what do you want bats and 2x4's in there next' date=' why not there out in the real world. with crap like you want this would still be back ally brawl there would be no tv show, or all the web. people that really want to see this stuff is the reason people say it will never make it all the way to main stream sports. grow up people do you want it to be a sport or just a fight. ufc is to test fighting styles[/quote']UFC was created to showcase gracie jujitsu and evolved from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTech Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 And the sport would no longer be sanctioned. Good idea' date=' if you want to drive MMA back underground. But if you want to continue watching PPVs regularly on TV then you might want to reconsider.[/quote'] True today but I think we will see this start to change as MMA continues to become more mainstream and the old guard of politicians continues to be replaced. In ~10 years I think we may see some major changes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAolympics2020 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Keep no knees or kicks to a downed opponent but changed the rules of when someone is down. If a hand or knee is touching the ground they shouldnt be considered down. I think that would change a lot and still keep it safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 How come has only one member mentioned Shogun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 How come has only one member mentioned Shogun? Cause he is not popular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBottery Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 How come has only one member mentioned Shogun? Who? Oh some kid from Pride that couldn't hold his own in the UFC? Yeah that's what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBottery Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Incoming rage from kids who took that post seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobilator Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 If UFC was to adopt pride/dream rules and fighters were allowed to kick and knee their opponents on the ground' date=' which fighters do you think would benefit the most from this? I would assume strong wrestlers such as Lesnar, Koscheck, GSP, Fitch would become a lot more dangerous and perhaps a lot more fights would get finished. Imagine GSP dropping knees to Matt Serra's head instead of his body in their second fight..pretty graphic images come to my mind. However, there wouldn't be much use of this change for fighters who have no wrestling and are unable to take their opponents to the ground. What do you think?[/quote'] I dont know about u but im sure i can kill anybody with a soccer kick to the head or a knee . I already break some jaw in Karate with only punch , i dont wanna kill somebody and this kind of hit for someone who train and know how to hit are lethal . Anyone who think Kick and Knee should be allowed need to train and do some fight and learn there some hit u can kill with it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YozzaScouser Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 you kidding me? shogun is for me one of the greatest fighters in MMA of all time. Have you ever seen any of his fights prior to his UFC debut? Had you even heard of Shogun prior to UFC? Do you know other mma organisations exist outside of UFC? "Cause hes not popular" Dont try and smear a TRUE Champion of this sport with this bullsh1t comment when your only speaking on your own behalf. TRUE FANS OF MMA LOVE SHOGUN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 you kidding me? shogun is for me one of the greatest fighters in MMA of all time. Have you ever seen any of his fights prior to his UFC debut? Had you even heard of Shogun prior to UFC? Do you know other mma organisations exist outside of UFC? "Cause hes not popular" Dont try and smear a TRUE Champion of this sport with this bullsh1t comment when your only speaking on your own behalf. TRUE FANS OF MMA LOVE SHOGUN Aint he the guy that almost got beat by the old man? What's his name matt collemen? All I know he is champ now because of a lucky punch that anybody could get at any time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulq Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I surely couldent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIMBOB Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I don?t think it would help wrestlers all that much, They shot for a take down miss and they are on the ground while the other guy is standing. A pretty terrible situation. I kinda wish they did bring it in for title fights, if so Carwin would be sporting a nice shiny belt right now. As to someone saying MMA is like two guys fighting in a street, I too had the same opinion so I am not having a go at you but fact is it isn?t and never will be. If I am in a street fight I wanted no part of I am going for all balls (Eyes and Nuts), Throat, back of the head etc. Incredibly effective targets that if hit correctly completely screw the other person up and most likely for some time to. No one is ever going to allow a sport where eye gauging is allowed. I think points should be awarded for whenever you are standing and your opponent is not, ie failed take down or quick escape and up before the other. Also you would have to do away with the cage and install ropes so fighters can get away when fearing for their god dam lives because someone is stomping their head or kneeing their head against a cage. I can see why they where illegal in the good ole pride days but they shall never be coming back in the UFC maybe in some smaller orgs around asia Russia etc but it will never be mainstream and every company wants the mainstream $$$$$s. Finally as someone said anyone who can pass guard really well would find it a huge advanatge. Mainly GSP, he uses Knees to the shoulders pretty well and knees to the head would be much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyTown Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Because UFC was created in order to see what would happen when you put fighters against each other in a real life situation. And in real life' date=' knees and kicks would be used heavily. Why would you not want to see fighters knee and kick on the ground? A lot of people would stop complaining about Lay and Pray and there would be a lot more finishes...win, win if you ask me.[/quote'] No UFC was created to see what martial art was the most effective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Who? Oh some kid from Pride that couldn't hold his own in the UFC? Yeah that's what I thought. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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