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Wow check out this, Pankration is basically a mma sport of the ancient Greece Olympics 2,500 years ago. it combined boxing, wrestling,kicking and submissions. it was basically the exact same rules as UFC 1.

The jiu jitsu was said to be invented by the Japanese in the 1600's. but the Greeks were performing jiu jitsu techniques 2,000 years before that, rear naked choke and many leg and arm locks...etc

they were performing kick boxing techniques, the clinch, dirty boxing, kicks...and so on in Pankration also over 2,000 years before muay thai was invented

Spartans and other Greek soldiers also trained in this (Pankration)

this is something to checkout read up on it here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankration

 

Dana White is trying to bring MMA to the Olympics, MMA now is a more evolved form of Pankration. the Greece Olympics died out in 426 AD and in the 1896 when the Olympics came back Pankration was not recognized as a sport for the new Olympics.

 

So MMA evolved more between 1993-2010 than it did from 648 B.C -1993. these last 17 years MMA evolved more than the 2,600 years before that

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Here's a blurb from that Wiki entry.....

 

In an odd turn of events, a pankration fighter named Arrhichion (Ἀρριχίων) of Phigalia won the pankration competition at the Olympic Games despite being dead. His opponent had locked him in a chokehold and Arrhichion, desperate to loosen it, broke his opponent's toe (some records say his ankle). The opponent nearly passed out from pain and submitted. As the referee raised Arrhichion's hand, it was discovered that he had died from the chokehold. His body was crowned with the olive wreath and taken back to Phigaleia as a hero.

 

Uh, that's just sheer awesome.

 

Scott Smith doesn't have **** on that guy......

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Here's a blurb from that Wiki entry.....

 

In an odd turn of events' date=' a pankration fighter named Arrhichion (Ἀρριχίων) of Phigalia won the pankration competition at the Olympic Games despite being dead. His opponent had locked him in a chokehold and Arrhichion, desperate to loosen it, broke his opponent's toe (some records say his ankle). The opponent nearly passed out from pain and submitted. As the referee raised Arrhichion's hand, it was discovered that he had died from the chokehold. His body was crowned with the olive wreath and taken back to Phigaleia as a hero.[/b']

 

Uh, that's just sheer awesome.

 

Scott Smith doesn't have **** on that guy......

 

that is one badass mother****er :eek:,thanks for sharing that with us Ex

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Here's a blurb from that Wiki entry.....

 

In an odd turn of events' date=' a pankration fighter named Arrhichion (Ἀρριχίων) of Phigalia won the pankration competition at the Olympic Games despite being dead. His opponent had locked him in a chokehold and Arrhichion, desperate to loosen it, broke his opponent's toe (some records say his ankle). The opponent nearly passed out from pain and submitted. As the referee raised Arrhichion's hand, it was discovered that he had died from the chokehold. His body was crowned with the olive wreath and taken back to Phigaleia as a hero.[/b']

 

Uh, that's just sheer awesome.

 

Scott Smith doesn't have **** on that guy......

Heroic acts of this nature does not exist anymore in this day and age.

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Here's another badass ancient greek:

 

Dioxippus of Athens, a former Pankratiast at this time, attended a banquet hosted by Alexander the Great who liked and respected the athlete. According to Curtius Rufus, Alexander's men mocked the guest, probably out of jealousy, and accused him of being a bit of a glutton. During the banquet, a distinguished Macedonian soldier named Coragus became drunk and belligerent, insulted Dioxippus, and challenged him to a match. Dioxippus enthusiastically and contemptuously agreed to the match. Alexander attempted to dissuade the two from fighting, but could not, due to the enthusiasm of the rest of the camp. The Greeks supported Dioxippus and the Macedonians supported Coragus.[1]

 

Alexander scheduled a day for the bout. The fight is well illustrated by Curtius Rufus. Dioxippus reportedly came out well oiled and nude, carrying a purple cloak in his left hand and a heavy club in his right. Coragus, however, wore full armor, carried a bronze shield and long pike called a sarisa in his left hand, a lance in his right hand, and wearing a side sword. During the match, the Macedonian threw his lance, which Dioxippus dodged. Then, before Coragus could transfer his pike to his right hand, Dioxippus attacked, shattering the weapon with his club. The Macedonian attempted to draw his sword, but Dioxippus wrestled him, getting double underhooks or as Rufus described as a "bear hug", or a bodylock, swept him to the ground, disarmed him and immobilized him. He then stepped on Coragus' throat and could have killed him, but Alexander stopped the fight at this point. [2]

 

But this victory became Dioxippus' downfall. Alexander and the Macedonians were disappointed and embarrassed by the outcome of the match, particularly since their defeat occurred in front of recently conquered Persian prisoners. Alexander's disfavor was noted by the Macedonians who conspired to embarrass Dioxippus, by putting a golden cup underneath his pillow and accusing him of theft. Dioxippus felt this dishonor deeply. Realizing the Macedonians had framed him, he wrote a letter to Alexander describing the conspiracy, then committed suicide by falling on his sword. Alexander's regret at the death of Dioxippus, which he felt was unwarranted, was made even more bitter by the joyous reactions of the Macedonian camp which revealed their complicity.

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Here's a blurb from that Wiki entry.....

 

In an odd turn of events' date=' a pankration fighter named Arrhichion (Ἀρριχίων) of Phigalia won the pankration competition at the Olympic Games despite being dead. His opponent had locked him in a chokehold and Arrhichion, desperate to loosen it, broke his opponent's toe (some records say his ankle). The opponent nearly passed out from pain and submitted. As the referee raised Arrhichion's hand, it was discovered that he had died from the chokehold. His body was crowned with the olive wreath and taken back to Phigaleia as a hero.[/b']

 

Uh, that's just sheer awesome.

 

Scott Smith doesn't have **** on that guy......

 

holy crap, what a bad ***

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Here is a true story.

 

Back when my people were still held in refuge camps in Thailand, a Hmong fighter named Kai Cha, better known as Cha Kai, was invited to meet the king of Thailand. He was escorted to the King's palace and while kneeling down to the King, Thai's greatest fighter kicked him. He received 3 to 4 kicks before he summoned all his might into one blow and knocked out the Thai fighter.

 

True story. I would not lie to you...

 

You can say Cha Kai is a Hmong hero.

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Here is a true story.

 

Back when my people were still held in refuge camps in Thailand' date=' a Hmong fighter named Kai Cha, better known as Cha Kai, was invited to meet the king of Thailand. He was escorted to the King's palace and while kneeling down to the King, Thai's greatest fighter kicked him. He received 3 to 4 kicks before he summoned all his might into one blow and knocked out the Thai fighter.

 

True story. I would not lie to you...

 

You can say Cha Kai is a Hmong hero.[/quote']

 

interesting. could you provide a link to something, or is it more of a passed down via word of mouth typr thing?

 

either way, badass :)

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First of all' date=' you cannot trust Wikipedia for information of this type.

 

Secondly, what is martial arts?.....A simple answer is a form of fighting.

 

With that in mind, the first known human civilization would have had a form of fighting>>> (Mesopotamia)[/quote']

 

I think a lot of the info can be taken seriously. Much of it will have been scrutinized by scholars in the profession, and if not, there is generally notes indicating lack of source.

 

Martial Arts? Technically it means Art of War - or combat techniques, which would imply to the death. Obviously, they aren't employed for those reasons anymore.....

 

And you're right - every recorded civilization has had some form of documented hand-to-hand combat system, whether it be primitive boxing, wrestling, or combinations thereof.

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Here is a true story.

 

Back when my people were still held in refuge camps in Thailand' date=' a Hmong fighter named Kai Cha, better known as Cha Kai, was invited to meet the king of Thailand. He was escorted to the King's palace and while kneeling down to the King, Thai's greatest fighter kicked him. He received 3 to 4 kicks before he summoned all his might into one blow and knocked out the Thai fighter.

 

True story. I would not lie to you...

 

You can say Cha Kai is a Hmong hero.[/quote']

 

Was the Thai fighter Tito Ortiz? Because if so, the only reason your boy laid him out was because he had a cracked skull and was 74% healthy. Just sayin....;)

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