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After rewatching that Kongo fight, I have to say that if it were any of the other top heavyweights he was fighting, Cain would have lost.

 

He was rocked in each round and it was only because Kongo sucks, that he could not finish. Not only that, Kongo had many oportunities to keep it standing, where he was obviously the better fighter, and he did not.

 

If Lesnar rocks Cain like that, it's all over. There is no way that Lesnar lets Cain escape with any sign of blood in the water.

 

And the hype over Cain's cardio? Whatever, he didn't look all that fresh in that 3rd round.

 

 

Not impressed.

 

Lesnar FTW.

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I hate Lesnar and sincerely hope he dies in the octagon someday but unfortunately I just don't think Cain is the fighter to beat him, he's just too small and lacks power. I also don't think JDS is the one who will do it either, he's a boxer with zero wrestling who's like a flipped turtle when he's put on his back. Out of the current crop of contenders Shane Carwin was our only hope and he let us all down. If he gets his cardio together and fights a little smarter he'll murder Brock in their rematch but until then I think we're stuck with this embarrassing excuse for a heavyweight champion.

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I hate Lesnar and sincerely hope he dies in the octagon someday but unfortunately I just don't think Cain is the fighter to beat him' date=' he's just too small and lacks power. I also don't think JDS is the one who will do it either, he's a boxer with zero wrestling who's like a flipped turtle when he's put on his back. Out of the current crop of contenders Shane Carwin was our only hope and he let us all down. If he gets his cardio together and fights a little smarter he'll murder Brock in their rematch but until then I think we're stuck with this embarrassing excuse for a heavyweight champion.[/quote']

 

I can see where you think Lesnar will win this fight because of size. Now, I'm not really sure who to pick in this fight but Cain does have some advantages. Due to Brock's lack of MMA experience, he's never fought anyone with good footwork.

 

Cain has good footwork. I think if Cain moves around like he's Frankie Edgar, he can confuse Brock. Brock's MMA knowledge is extremely limited so he most likely doesn't know what to do when someone is moving around like a speed junkie. Cain's footwork and TDD will be the key in this fight.

 

Brock obviously isn't that good at this sport. Cain is a lot better and he will be able to win a decision IMO.

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I hope you're right FGF101...there's nothing I would enjoy more than watching that clown Lesnar lose to a fighter like Cain but I'm just not confident it will happen. This is one instance where I would be thrilled to be wrong.

 

Well, I'm not confident that he will lose to Cain. However, I'm confident that JDS would wreck him.

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Well' date=' I'm not confident that he will lose to Cain. However, I'm confident that JDS would wreck him.[/quote']

 

How? JDS would have to keep it standing long enough to KO Lesnar but he has no wrestling background so how is he going to stuff Brocks bum-rush takedowns? And if he does end up on his back then what? He's not a great submission specialist, he's not going to be able to scramble out from under roidboy...on the ground he's f'ed.

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Well' date=' I'm not confident that he will lose to Cain. However, I'm confident that JDS would wreck him.[/quote']

 

Now I like JDS but if Cain doesn't win then JDS won't either. The only chance JDS has of being the champion is if Cain wins tonight I can see him defeating Cain.

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How? JDS would have to keep it standing long enough to KO Lesnar but he has no wrestling background so how is he going to stuff Brocks bum-rush takedowns? And if he does end up on his back then what? He's not a great submission specialist' date=' he's not going to be able to scramble out from under roidboy...on the ground he's f'ed.[/quote']

 

You're actually wrong about JDS's background. He was a Bahia state champ in Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling in Brazil. He also has a brown belt under the Nogs he sometimes trains with Maia in BJJ as well. He trains wrestling with Phil Davis and Mark Munoz. Munoz won a division I title in 2001, as well as being a multiple time All-American. Davis was a four time All-American and a Division I national champion in 2008.

 

We have not seen JDS from his back anyway because no one can take him down, so how can you make any judgment?

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You're actually wrong about JDS's background. He was a Bahia state champ in Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling in Brazil. He also has a brown belt under the Nogs he sometimes trains with Maia in BJJ as well. He trains wrestling with Phil Davis and Mark Munoz. Munoz won a division I title in 2001' date=' as well as being a multiple time All-American. Davis was a four time All-American and a Division I national champion in 2008.

 

We have not seen JDS from his back anyway because no one can take him down, so how can you make any judgment?[/quote']

 

The only opponents who've been successful at defending roidboys takedowns have been fighters with extensive wrestling backrounds ie: Couture, Carwin...training wrestling for the past few months/years isn't anywhere near being a compeitive wrestler at the highest level since you were 15. As for JDS being able to submit him, well I think Lesnars ability to completly control his opponent on the ground pretty much nulifies their BJJ.

 

Let me make it perfectly clear, I loathe Brock Lesnar with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. There's nothing I want more that to see him broken and beaten...I just don't think JDS or Cain will be the fighters to do it. I do however think Cain has the better skill set of the two to have a chance.

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How? JDS would have to keep it standing long enough to KO Lesnar but he has no wrestling background so how is he going to stuff Brocks bum-rush takedowns? And if he does end up on his back then what? He's not a great submission specialist' date=' he's not going to be able to scramble out from under roidboy...on the ground he's f'ed.[/quote']

 

He seems to be pretty elusive and has pretty good TDD. He has a deadly uppercut which would be incredibly useful to use when Brock ducks for a TD. How do you know he's not good off of his back? We haven't seen him there yet. He's a brown belt under the Nogs so he must be at least kind of good.

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Haha you said if he gets rocked by Lesnar like that. Lesnar doesn't have near good enough striking to rock Cain on the feet.

Brock does not need crisp striking to rock someone on the feet it just takes one good punch and lights out or at least rocked. Herring was rocked by the first punch Lesnar threw' date=' Mir got dropped by Lesnars punches in the first fight, Lesnar also dropped Randy Couture on the feet with a punch, to say Lesnar can't rock Cain just proves how little people know about MMA even today.

 

I hate Lesnar and sincerely hope he dies in the octagon someday .
What goes around comes around and your going to die on the street after getting raped by a transsexual hooker names Bob.

 

Brock obviously isn't that good at this sport. Cain is a lot better and he will be able to win a decision IMO.

Brock isnt that good at this sport? Ok guy, one of the best wrestlers and ground and pounders in the UFC, great dedication to the sport, getting better and learning new things each fight, Branching out from only ground and pound to submissions. The fact that hes the champion, defeated Couture, Mir, Herring, and the undefeated Carwin should be enough to prove that hes a great fighter. Just needs to refine things like his striking and striking defense. I thought when he beat Carwin some of these haters would go away, I hope the rest of you vermin take a hike after he tools Brownie Pride tonight. If not then the world will never change, once a hater always a hater

 

Cheers

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I hate Lesnar and sincerely hope he dies in the octagon someday but unfortunately I just don't think Cain is the fighter to beat him' date=' he's just too small and lacks power. I also don't think JDS is the one who will do it either, he's a boxer with zero wrestling who's like a flipped turtle when he's put on his back. Out of the current crop of contenders Shane Carwin was our only hope and he let us all down. If he gets his cardio together and fights a little smarter he'll murder Brock in their rematch but until then I think we're stuck with this embarrassing excuse for a heavyweight champion.[/quote']

 

this is stupid......even for you;)

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I can see where you think Lesnar will win this fight because of size. Now' date=' I'm not really sure who to pick in this fight but Cain does have some advantages. Due to Brock's lack of MMA experience, he's never fought anyone with good footwork.

 

Cain has good footwork. I think if Cain moves around like he's Frankie Edgar, he can confuse Brock. Brock's MMA knowledge is extremely limited so he most likely doesn't know what to do when someone is moving around like a speed junkie. Cain's footwork and TDD will be the key in this fight.

 

Brock obviously isn't that good at this sport. Cain is a lot better and he will be able to win a decision IMO.[/quote']

 

he's not good at this sport? yet he's champ.....so god the people that he has beat must REALLY suck

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I hate Lesnar and sincerely hope he dies in the octagon someday but unfortunately I just don't think Cain is the fighter to beat him' date=' he's just too small and lacks power. I also don't think JDS is the one who will do it either, he's a boxer with zero wrestling who's like a flipped turtle when he's put on his back. Out of the current crop of contenders Shane Carwin was our only hope and he let us all down. If he gets his cardio together and fights a little smarter he'll murder Brock in their rematch but until then I think we're stuck with this embarrassing excuse for a heavyweight champion.[/quote']

 

ummm from what i remember JDS hasnt been put on his back in the ufc yet Nellson had a deep azz double and still JDS spraul was to good Gonzaga got him almost dont but he bounced up of a post with one arm and both Gonzaga and Nelson are high Level BJJ guys so they know how to take a guy down

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According to him I guess Randy who is one of the legends of this sport and still fighting today sucks..... Oh well not everyone can have common sense lol

 

lol yea no kidding. well....haters gonna hate, no matter how many people lesnar runs through. interesting side note, for anybody that thinks he sucks i guess. if lesnar wins tonight, the combined record of his last 3 opponents at the time he beat them would be what? 34-3 or something? yea not bad i guess

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After rewatching that Kongo fight' date=' I have to say that if it were any of the other top heavyweights he was fighting, Cain would have lost.

 

He was rocked in each round and it was only because Kongo sucks, that he could not finish. Not only that, Kongo had many oportunities to keep it standing, where he was obviously the better fighter, and he did not.

 

If Lesnar rocks Cain like that, it's all over. There is no way that Lesnar lets Cain escape with any sign of blood in the water.

 

And the hype over Cain's cardio? Whatever, he didn't look all that fresh in that 3rd round.

 

 

Not impressed.

 

Lesnar FTW.[/quote']

 

 

First off to say Kongo sucks is a little harsh. The guys a solid fighter and his stand up is stellar. The fact that Cain survived the onslaught of punches from Kongo is very impressive.

 

Lesnar has very little more than size on his side in any fight at HW. I think we've seen that with all his wins. When he beat Carwin it was due to Carwin gassing himself out more than Lesnar's technique. (Although I will say it was a very nice arm triangle that he pulled off.) I believe 9 times out of 10 Carwin TKO/KOs Lesnar.

 

Skill wise Cain is far more superior, it will just depend how he can handle Lesnar's size. If he can deal with Lesnar's take down attempts then Cain will easily win this fight. This fight is purely based on Lesnar's take down success.

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First off to say Kongo sucks is a little harsh. The guys a solid fighter and his stand up is stellar. The fact that Cain survived the onslaught of punches from Kongo is very impressive.

 

Lesnar has very little more than size on his side in any fight at HW. I think we've seen that with all his wins. When he beat Carwin it was due to Carwin gassing himself out more than Lesnar's technique. (Although I will say it was a very nice arm triangle that he pulled off.) I believe 9 times out of 10 Carwin TKO/KOs Lesnar.

 

Skill wise Cain is far more superior' date=' it will just depend how he can handle Lesnar's size. If he can deal with Lesnar's take down attempts then Cain will easily win this fight. This fight is purely based on Lesnar's take down success.[/quote']

Thing is this is MMA, even though Carwin hit Lesnar with everything he has and that Carwin is one of the most powerful punchers in MMA today and couldnt put Lesnar away does not mean that Cain wont be able to KO or TKO Lesnar, like I said anything can happen, No one expected Lesnar to survive that onslaught, Im a big Lesnar fan and while I was watching the first round I was thinking oh **** Brock is dead and I just lost my 20$ bet lol. I doubt anyone expected him to win by sub. anything can happen, Bottom line is people think Lesnar has no chance of winning on the feet, Bottom line is he has serious power in his punches, How often do you see a guy do a backflip across the cage from one punch? not to often Im assuming, Lesnar may have slow and in-accurate punches but if any of those land flush it can be over just like the Couture fight.

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Brock does not need crisp striking to rock someone on the feet it just takes one good punch and lights out or at least rocked. Herring was rocked by the first punch Lesnar threw' date=' Mir got dropped by Lesnars punches in the first fight, Lesnar also dropped Randy Couture on the feet with a punch, to say Lesnar can't rock Cain just proves how little people know about MMA even today.

 

What goes around comes around and your going to die on the street after getting raped by a transsexual hooker names Bob.

 

 

Brock isnt that good at this sport? Ok guy, one of the best wrestlers and ground and pounders in the UFC, great dedication to the sport, getting better and learning new things each fight, Branching out from only ground and pound to submissions. The fact that hes the champion, defeated Couture, Mir, Herring, and the undefeated Carwin should be enough to prove that hes a great fighter. Just needs to refine things like his striking and striking defense. I thought when he beat Carwin some of these haters would go away, I hope the rest of you vermin take a hike after he tools Brownie Pride tonight. If not then the world will never change, once a hater always a hater

 

Cheers[/quote']

 

He rocked Randy because Randy was 45 and no longer has a chin. Mir has no chin either. That punch he landed on Herring was a once in a lifetime landing that he will never land again.

 

Brock's GNP is extremely overrated.

 

Let's look at his record:

Lost to Mir

Beat Herring (an out-of-prime never was)

Couture (a 45 year old out-of-prime light-heavyweight)

Mir (who made a lot of mistakes, and is much much smaller than Lesnar)

Carwin (who demolished him but had no gas tank)

 

May I add that the Carwin enslaught was overrated.

 

If Brock wasn't as big as he is, he would have lost to every single one of those fighters IMO.

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Thing is this is MMA' date=' even though Carwin hit Lesnar with everything he has and that Carwin is one of the most powerful punchers in MMA today and couldnt put Lesnar away does not mean that Cain wont be able to KO or TKO Lesnar, like I said anything can happen, No one expected Lesnar to survive that onslaught, Im a big Lesnar fan and while I was watching the first round I was thinking oh **** Brock is dead and I just lost my 20$ bet lol. I doubt anyone expected him to win by sub. anything can happen, Bottom line is people think Lesnar has no chance of winning on the feet, Bottom line is he has serious power in his punches, How often do you see a guy do a backflip across the cage from one punch? not to often Im assuming, Lesnar may have slow and in-accurate punches but if any of those land flush it can be over just like the Couture fight.[/quote']

 

That back flip is so blown out of context. The punch didn't cause that. The punch caused herring to lose his footing. He rolled back trying to get back on his feet. When I first watched that fight I though holy crap what a punch, but since then it's obvious the power of the punch didn't cause that back flip.

 

Also dropping a guy 40-50lbs (Couture) lighter than you doesn't constitute punch power. He has a lot of weight behind though punches but they're much less affective against guys closer to his size. Even Cain will be able to take those punches better than Couture could.

 

I give Lesnar props for his athleticism and speed vs. size but as a human being he's a complete failure.

 

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He rocked Randy because Randy was 45 and no longer has a chin. Mir has no chin either. That punch he landed on Herring was a once in a lifetime landing that he will never land again.

 

Brock's GNP is extremely overrated.

 

Let's look at his record:

Lost to Mir(First fight in the UFC' date=' was not prepared to go against a BJJ wizard.)

Beat Herring (Tough Veteran who fought the best fighters in the world)

Couture (UFC Legend and Hall of Fame, still getting better, age is not affecting him and if it is it doesnt really show,former light heavyweight champion and former HEAVYWEIGHT champion. )

Mir (BJJ expert with improving standup, former champ)

Carwin (undefeated at the time all finishes in the first round just about as big as Lesnar)

 

May I add that the Carwin enslaught was overrated.

 

If Brock wasn't as big as he is, he would have lost to every single one of those fighters IMO.[/quote']

 

I took the liberty of changing your uneducated information, Your welcome

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He rocked Randy because Randy was 45 and no longer has a chin. Mir has no chin either. That punch he landed on Herring was a once in a lifetime landing that he will never land again.

 

Brock's GNP is extremely overrated.

 

Let's look at his record:

Lost to Mir

Beat Herring (an out-of-prime never was)

Couture (a 45 year old out-of-prime light-heavyweight)

Mir (who made a lot of mistakes' date=' and is much much smaller than Lesnar)

Carwin (who demolished him but had no gas tank)

 

May I add that the Carwin enslaught was overrated.

 

If Brock wasn't as big as he is, he would have lost to every single one of those fighters IMO.[/quote']

 

for real get over it. the fact is he won. and this 'over rated" and "past their prime"....ur excuses are weak the fact is he won and o yea he hasnt had half the training these guys he beat. i see you put after the mir fight that mir made lots of mistakes, o did you forget the first fight and lesnar was pounding his face before making a mistake? no cuz you are a brock hater and thats all. let me ask you, how many guys have taken on the type of competition he has this early in their career? ummm.....none. they are babied most of the time and have way more experience. brock keeps winning and is only getting better. so get used to it

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That back flip is so blown out of context. The punch didn't cause that. The punch caused herring to lose his footing. He rolled back trying to get back on his feet. When I first watched that fight I though holy crap what a punch' date=' but since then it's obvious the power of the punch didn't cause that back flip.

 

Also dropping a guy 40-50lbs (Couture) lighter than you doesn't constitute punch power. He has a lot of weight behind though punches but they're much less affective against guys closer to his size. Even Cain will be able to take those punches better than Couture could.

 

I give Lesnar props for his athleticism and speed vs. size but as a human being he's a complete failure.

 

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Il admit hes an *** hole most of the time but like it or hate it, Lesnar is the one who is making the heavyweight division what it is. He is the biggest draw the UFC has and despite the fact that you hate him, people will pay money to see him fight, whether to see him get owned like in the Carwin fight or Win.

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Il admit hes an *** hole most of the time but like it or hate it' date=' Lesnar is the one who is making the heavyweight division what it is. He is the biggest draw the UFC has and despite the fact that you hate him, people will pay money to see him fight, whether to see him get owned like in the Carwin fight or Win.[/quote']

 

I fully agree. I just hate the guy so much. I've never had hate for a single fighter like I do for him. It's purely his attitude that I don't like.

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I took the liberty of changing your uneducated information' date=' Your welcome[/quote']

 

Herring is a tough veteran that has fought the best in the world. He's also a tough veteran who has lost to the best in the world. Seriously, his best win is over Kongo. Kongo is the best fighter that Herring has ever beat. His record is 24-18.

 

Age is obviously catching up to Couture or he wouldn't be considering retirement. Couture's last three victories are:

 

James Toney (Any MMA fighter would demolish Toney)

Brandon Vera (The win was unimpressive)

Coleman (Coleman is old and horrible now)

 

Mir would have won if Lesnar wasn't as big as he is. I'm a Mir fan but he is a tad overrated. I mean, his best recent wins are over:

 

Cro Cop (highly unimpressive performance)

Kongo (No ground game)

Nog (aged and sick at the time)

Lesnar (well, you know what I think of him)

 

I'm really not that much of a Lesnar hater, I just don't think he's that good.

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I fully agree. I just hate the guy so much. I've never had hate for a single fighter like I do for him. It's purely his attitude that I don't like.

 

The only fighter I HATE in the UFC is Josh Kos, he's kind of like the "highschool bully" that cries when the nerd kicks his ***.

Reason I like Lesnar is because he says it like it is, he doesnt hide his emotions, everyone gets angry I mean look at 80% of the people on this forum, crying, *****ing, swearing, hating, trolling, failing, about things that don't even concern them. Your getting ready for a fight obviously your going to talk some sh1t and if your confident like Lesnar is then obviously its going to look like your ****y. Thing is Lesnar is a dedicated professional athlete, fighter and obviously entertainer. Ya he talks sh1t and acts like the big tough guy in the division, but unlike some of the UFC drunks, hes not going to go to a bar and get wasted and end up in prison for street fighting. The dudes a professional selling tickets to the best damn MMA and fighting company in the world. Mir talked so much sh1t after his win in the first fight. The sh1t that was coming out of his mouth would of pissed anyone off. Lesnar is being humbled by the experience, the beating he took from Carwin, all the boos from the crowd, his life threatening sickness. Hes just going to get better from here and people are going to have to accept that we finally have a true heavyweight champion in Brock Lesnar

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The only fighter I HATE in the UFC is Josh Kos' date=' he's kind of like the "highschool bully" that cries when the nerd kicks his ***.

Reason I like Lesnar is because he says it like it is, he doesnt hide his emotions, everyone gets angry I mean look at 80% of the people on this forum, crying, *****ing, swearing, hating, trolling, failing, about things that don't even concern them. Your getting ready for a fight obviously your going to talk some sh1t and if your confident like Lesnar is then obviously its going to look like your ****y. Thing is Lesnar is a dedicated professional athlete, fighter and obviously entertainer. Ya he talks sh1t and acts like the big tough guy in the division, but unlike some of the UFC drunks, hes not going to go to a bar and get wasted and end up in prison for street fighting. The dudes a professional selling tickets to the best damn MMA and fighting company in the world. Mir talked so much sh1t after his win in the first fight. The sh1t that was coming out of his mouth would of pissed anyone off. Lesnar is being humbled by the experience, the beating he took from Carwin, all the boos from the crowd, his life threatening sickness. Hes just going to get better from here and people are going to have to accept that we finally have a true heavyweight champion in Brock Lesnar[/quote']

 

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Herring is a tough veteran that has fought the best in the world. He's also a tough veteran who has lost to the best in the world. Seriously' date=' his best win is over Kongo. Kongo is the best fighter that Herring has ever beat. His record is 24-18.

 

Age is obviously catching up to Couture or he wouldn't be considering retirement. Couture's last three victories are:

 

James Toney (Any MMA fighter would demolish Toney)

Brandon Vera (The win was unimpressive)

Coleman (Coleman is old and horrible now)

 

Mir would have won if Lesnar wasn't as big as he is. I'm a Mir fan but he is a tad overrated. I mean, his best recent wins are over:

 

Cro Cop (highly unimpressive performance)

Kongo (No ground game)

Nog (aged and sick at the time)

Lesnar (well, you know what I think of him)

 

I'm really not that much of a Lesnar hater, I just don't think he's that good.[/quote']

You mentioned Kongo, Kongo did not really lose to Mir just by submission, he got dropped by a punch from Mir then before he was able to get up was pounced on and finished very quickly, Unlike Cain. And to top that off Kongo dropped Cain a bunch of times and even took him down once. So if your going to say Kongo sucks then you might as well discredit Cains win over Kongo.

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Im just doing this to prove a point and what im about to post I dont mean It just want to show everyone how annoying and useless it is to discredit peoples wins. Il do it with Cain, since Lesnar is fighting him tonight and Griffin fan already took the time to try and discredit Lesnars wins.

 

Here it goes.

 

Win over Nog(has been with no more chin since he got KOed by Mir,btw didnt Lesnar TKO Mir in the rematch? yes i think he did)

 

Win over Ben Rothwell(Wow he beat a fat *** with no cardio and didnt even finish him it was a premature stoppage by the stupid ref.)

 

Win over Denis Stojniik(Who?... ya exactly shut your mouth.)

 

Win over Jake O'Brian.(This guy sucks, he has decent wrestling at best, and not even that big, UFC reject)

 

Win over Brad Morris(Again who?)

 

See, Anyone can easily discredit anyones record bottom line is they are at the position they are now because they deserve it and no amount of trolling and hating is going to change that. Get over it, have fun enjoy the fights because in my opinion tonight is the best Card since UFC 100.

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You mentioned Kongo' date=' Kongo did not really lose to Mir just by submission, he got dropped by a punch from Mir then before he was able to get up was pounced on and finished very quickly, Unlike Cain. And to top that off Kongo dropped Cain a bunch of times and even took him down once. So if your going to say Kongo sucks then you might as well discredit Cains win over Kongo.[/quote']

 

Kongo is a great striker he just has a horrible ground game. If Mir had not landed that one punch there would be no doubt in my mind that Kongo would have won the striking battle. Kongo is a far better striker than Mir. I don't think Cain is all that great either. I'm definitely not a Cain fan. I do think he will win this fight though.

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Kongo is a great striker he just has a horrible ground game. If Mir had not landed that one punch there would be no doubt in my mind that Kongo would have won the striking battle. Kongo is a far better striker than Mir. I don't think Cain is all that great either. I'm definitely not a Cain fan. I do think he will win this fight though.

 

it sounds like you don't think many fighters are very good, which is ironic because your favorite fighter is one of the most overrated fighters in mma history..........just saying;)

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it sounds like you don't think many fighters are very good' date=' which is ironic because your favorite fighter is one of the most overrated fighters in mma history..........just saying;)[/quote']

 

Actually, I only think three fighters are overrated.

 

Lesnar

Belfort

Cain

 

Lesnar IMO is the most overrated fighter in MMA history.

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Kongo is a great striker he just has a horrible ground game. If Mir had not landed that one punch there would be no doubt in my mind that Kongo would have won the striking battle. Kongo is a far better striker than Mir. I don't think Cain is all that great either. I'm definitely not a Cain fan. I do think he will win this fight though.

 

Actually Kongo has proven that he has a fantastic top game (Form of ground game if you didn't notice). He's got a lot to do off his back but you know what he had Cain all over him for 3 rounds and did a great job keeping from getting any major damage so it's ground game might not be anywhere close to the quality of his striking it's rapidly improving.

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Actually' date=' I only think three fighters are overrated.

 

Lesnar

Belfrot

Cain

 

Lesnar IMO is the most overrated fighter in MMA history.[/quote']

 

ok....so he talks about lesnar getting demolished by carwin and says he's overrated. he must have forgot how forrest got embarrassed against silva and ran out crying like a girl....but he's not overrated? ummm....ok

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Actually Kongo has proven that he has a fantastic top game (Form of ground game if you didn't notice). He's got a lot to do off his back but you know what he had Cain all over him for 3 rounds and did a great job keeping from getting any major damage so it's ground game might not be anywhere close to the quality of his striking it's rapidly improving.

 

Yeah I know he has a fantastic top game. Sorry I should have said jits game.

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Anderson is 300x better than Carwin will ever hope to be.

 

yea but lets use mma math here....forrest griffin beat chael sonnen right? forrest griffen got dropped two times before being ko'd on the third. did forrest land any decent strikes? no. chael sonnen, who again got subbed in the first round by forrest, dominated the great silva for 23 minutes, not only on the ground but standing. forrest sucks and is overrated, yes silva may be the best technical fighter in mma, but carwin is outstanding in his own right and hits harder than anyone else. not one of his 12 opponents made it out of the first round which is more than can be said about silva. lesner survived the onslaught and is champ. forrest, did not, and ran crying like a girl. buuuut u say lesnar is overrated? (which is ridiculous, yes there are fan boys but nobody is gonna say he is the best technical fighter, but he wins)......and forrest isnt? c'mon dude its great to defend your guy but to call a champ overrated when you are a fan of one of the most overrated fighters in ufc history is ridiculous

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yea but lets use mma math here....forrest griffin beat chael sonnen right? forrest griffen got dropped two times before being ko'd on the third. did forrest land any decent strikes? no. chael sonnen' date=' who again got subbed in the first round by forrest, dominated the great silva for 23 minutes, not only on the ground but standing. forrest sucks and is overrated, yes silva may be the best technical fighter in mma, but carwin is outstanding in his own right and hits harder than anyone else. not one of his 12 opponents made it out of the first round which is more than can be said about silva. lesner survived the onslaught and is champ. forrest, did not, and ran crying like a girl. buuuut u say lesnar is overrated? (which is ridiculous, yes there are fan boys but nobody is gonna say he is the best technical fighter, but he wins)......and forrest isnt? c'mon dude its great to defend your guy but to call a champ overrated when you are a fan of one of the most overrated fighters in ufc history is ridiculous[/quote']

 

MMA math is lame. You have to look at styles. Chael is a wrestler. Any wrestler could do what he did to Silva. Forrest would have done better if he took Andy down. If Silva was healthy and Chael tried to strike the whole time with Silva he would get demolished.

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