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You never know how somone would really do in anything until they actually try. Segal has crazy Martial Arts training. however would it have transfered into MMA? WHo knows' date=' but you cant take away the fact that he know what he is talking about.[/quote']

 

True, all joking aside, if Machida learns some of this stuff and combine's it with his karate it will just make him more dangerous.

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Seagal would suck...according to El Guapo' date=' Bas Rutten![/quote']

 

Well it's true. Aikido is useless in the octagon unless all of his opponents just stand there.

 

I can just see Lyoto coming out with a big gut and a greasy ponytail.

 

With that said, was anyone else wanting to see Lyoto beat him up?

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steven seagal... this guy really thinks he is this grand master in martial arts with his infinite wisdom. If only he had the wisdom to see his show belongs on comedy central and he's being made fun of by at least 70% of the people that watch it.

 

but okay, I have to admit, in the old days he was an undeniable badass, he belongs up there with norris, stallone and the rest of em.

 

but man, the guy is truly an idiot

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True' date=' all joking aside, if Machida learns some of this stuff and combine's it with his karate it will just make him more dangerous.[/quote']

if he tries any of this stuff with his hands when he faces a guy like rampage, he is gonna get knocked da **** out

 

but i'm pretty certain machida is aware of that

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Well it's true. Aikido is useless in the octagon unless all of his opponents just stand there.

 

I can just see Lyoto coming out with a big gut and a greasy ponytail.

 

With that said' date=' was anyone else wanting to see Lyoto beat him up?[/quote']

 

Why so much hate for Steven? He's been doing this for 40 years. Can you say the same for these fighters? They have done a certain discipline for many of years then transforming into something else. If anyone were to strike with Steven they would get their *** handed to them. Because he uses their energy as their down fall and uses technique to make them pay for it. It's not like they have to stand there and that's how it's effective. Why would they even teach it if that were the case? He uses their body motion and uses less of his with technique to defend himself. Or when he attacks he attacks the places that stuns the opponent and injures them. Wow so much hate for a true martial artist.

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Why so much hate for Steven? He's been doing this for 40 years. Can you say the same for these fighters? They have done a certain discipline for many of years then transforming into something else. If anyone were to strike with Steven they would get their *** handed to them. Because he uses their energy as their down fall and uses technique to make them pay for it. It's not like they have to stand there and that's how it's effective. Why would they even teach it if that were the case? He uses their body motion and uses less of his with technique to defend himself. Or when he attacks he attacks the places that stuns the opponent and injures them. Wow so much hate for a true martial artist.

 

It's just a guess but probably because his films suck :P

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Why so much hate for Steven? He's been doing this for 40 years. Can you say the same for these fighters? They have done a certain discipline for many of years then transforming into something else. If anyone were to strike with Steven they would get their *** handed to them. Because he uses their energy as their down fall and uses technique to make them pay for it. It's not like they have to stand there and that's how it's effective. Why would they even teach it if that were the case? He uses their body motion and uses less of his with technique to defend himself. Or when he attacks he attacks the places that stuns the opponent and injures them. Wow so much hate for a true martial artist.

 

dude are you actually serious?

if this were true he would be the best standup fighter ever. lmao.

he is clearly out of shape, you think he has the gastank (let alone technique) to fight and counter some of the BEST strikers in the world? and I mean fighters who have PROVEN they are the best. tell me, what has steven seagall done? anyone can practise a martial art for 40 years. does that mean you are able to take on the best fighters in the world? lmao. offcourse not.

he is not going to kick the asses of guys like badr hari, shogun, machida etc. by using their energy against them. you watch to many movies.

 

I'm pretty sure they could come up with a gameplan to beat a 40 year old fat guy with 40 years of aikido experience. cause that's all he is. (besides being a bad *** actor)

 

come on man. you are really talking nonsens.

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unfortunately a lot of Aikido techniques are illegal inside the octagon ( small joint manipulation and throat strikes)

 

Segal is still bad ***.

 

UNFORTUNATELY? are you serious?? I'd rather lose in the octagon and be able to walk away than have my funeral a week later.

 

unfortunately.. wow. and you're a mod? some peoples kids.

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dude are you actually serious?

if this were true he would be the best standup fighter ever. lmao.

he is clearly out of shape' date=' you think he has the gastank (let alone technique) to fight and counter some of the BEST strikers in the world? and I mean fighters who have PROVEN they are the best. tell me, what has steven seagall done? anyone can practise a martial art for 40 years. does that mean you are able to take on the best fighters in the world? lmao. offcourse not.

he is not going to kick the asses of guys like badr hari, shogun, machida etc. by using their energy against them. you watch to many movies.

 

I'm pretty sure they could come up with a gameplan to beat a 40 year old fat guy with 40 years of aikido experience. cause that's all he is. (besides being a bad *** actor)

 

come on man. you are really talking nonsens.[/quote']

 

I didn't say he can beat those guys. I'm saying he isn't a slouch. Everyone bashes him like he's mastered shadow boxing. I actually don't watch too much movies. That's your argument? No matter how they look or perceive themselves as "fat" they are still deadly with technique. Come on now. This guy is no slouch and seems like you watch too many movies to actually hate the guy. Maybe his ****y persona on tv has made you ill to your stomach when you were a little boy who knows. The fact of the matter is he's a well known martial artist and he's not a guy that doesn't know his ****. If you argue that then you mine as well argue the same for other movie actors that have a martial arts background.............

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I love how people on this thread are actually thinking they were training. they were outside at some resort just talking. With that said,

 

Aikido is a more lethal art form however it is great a teaching to use your opponents aggression, momentum or movements agaisnt them. From the looks of it, it seems like he was giving Machida pointers on using Rampages powerful punches and stalker style against him to create angles and keep Rampage off balance.

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i personally thought some of the things he was pointing out to Machida were quite helpful

that pointer about avoiding Rua's sort of "charging punches" with the side step and the chopping motion wasnt a bad idea imo

obviously you have to take some of his theories with a pinch of salt, hes a martial arts practitioner as opposed to a MIXED martial arts competitor

but meh, i dont personally think he was doing any harm

am not gonna sit here and slate him as a person for just trying to get a little bit involved

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Why so much hate for Steven? He's been doing this for 40 years. Can you say the same for these fighters? They have done a certain discipline for many of years then transforming into something else. If anyone were to strike with Steven they would get their *** handed to them. Because he uses their energy as their down fall and uses technique to make them pay for it. It's not like they have to stand there and that's how it's effective. Why would they even teach it if that were the case? He uses their body motion and uses less of his with technique to defend himself. Or when he attacks he attacks the places that stuns the opponent and injures them. Wow so much hate for a true martial artist.

 

A. steven has never been a martial artist/fighter as a full time job. he has never fought and never had even 1 training camp... elite mma fighters put in far more training more hours in a few years of professional fighting then he has his whole life. ...and it doesn't look like he's trained in 10 years. so "40 years" of training is an exaggeration.

 

B. he is going to use their energy against them? really? what does that mean?

sounds like more naive, wishful thinking.

 

but let me try: rampage is going to run across the cage with his arm ****ed back and swing a wild haymaker at machida. then machida will somehow dodge and catch the punch with one hand. he will be so strong (probably from using his opponents energy against him) that he will be able to keep hold of rampages hand, reverse the momentum of not only the arm rampage just tried to knock his head off with but his whole body, and throw rampage to the ground. all with one hand. ...that does sound effective.

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You also realize you can incorporate techniques from Aikido to MMA.....So you're very false. I'll give you two fights you can look up and it is from Lyotos fights. Lyotos throws vs. Penn and Nakamura. He controlled the wrist and swept the leg.

 

^ Look up the videos and watch for that. That's techniques taken from Aikido........

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I didn't say he can beat those guys. I'm saying he isn't a slouch. Everyone bashes him like he's mastered shadow boxing. I actually don't watch too much movies. That's your argument? No matter how they look or perceive themselves as "fat" they are still deadly with technique. Come on now. This guy is no slouch and seems like you watch too many movies to actually hate the guy. Maybe his ****y persona on tv has made you ill to your stomach when you were a little boy who knows. The fact of the matter is he's a well known martial artist and he's not a guy that doesn't know his ****. If you argue that then you mine as well argue the same for other movie actors that have a martial arts background.............

 

your changing the story here bro.

I admit I went a little overboard but I never said he was a slouch. i'm making clear he would be NO match for the top fighters in the world since you said : ''if anyone were to strike with Steven they would get their *** handed to them''. which is complete BS and you know it.

 

you give the guy to much credit.

he might be practicing his martial art for 40 years but at the same time he's played in at least 20 to 30 movies and series. so there goes a huge chunk in his training. + he has never seriously competed, meaning: he's never been tested, so you can't claim anything. i'm not trying to say that this guy is nothing but he certainly ain't that special like some people claim him to be. it's because he's famous.

 

btw, I actually liked the guy when I was a kid.

but I got older.

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You also realize you can incorporate techniques from Aikido to MMA.....So you're very false. I'll give you two fights you can look up and it is from Lyotos fights. Lyotos throws vs. Penn and Nakamura. He controlled the wrist and swept the leg.

 

^ Look up the videos and watch for that. That's techniques taken from Aikido........

 

i agree there are some- esp wrist locks. wrist locks are great.

 

but overall aikido, as least in the US, sucks. it's impractical as well. and seagal? come on. i can't even understand how machida even sat through that.

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your changing the story here bro.

I admit I went a little overboard but I never said he was a slouch. i'm making clear he would be NO match for the top fighters in the world since you said : ''if anyone were to strike with Steven they would get their *** handed to them''. which is complete BS and you know it.

 

you give the guy to much credit.

he might be practicing his martial art for 40 years but at the same time he's played in at least 20 to 30 movies and series. so there goes a huge chunk in his training. + he has never seriously competed' date=' meaning: he's never been tested, so you can't claim anything. i'm not trying to say that this guy is nothing but he certainly ain't that special like some people claim him to be. it's because he's famous.

 

btw, I actually liked the guy when I was a kid.

but I got older.[/quote']

 

True. I might be giving him too much credit but I do know if you read my last two posts. Aikido isn't all jokes. Certain techniques are effective. Which is most likely the reason why Anderson and Lyoto are conversing with him.

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i agree there are some- esp wrist locks. wrist locks are great.

 

but overall aikido' date=' as least in the US, sucks. it's impractical as well. and seagal? come on. i can't even understand how machida even sat through that.[/quote']

 

You act as if people are saying that Machida is gonna come out and just do Aikido for 3 rounds. I thought this was call "Mixed Martial Arts"! Aikido has been adopted by many other art forms because it has some very effective striking and defensive elements. Fighters would be just as apt to study/train Aikido techniques as they would Tae Kwon Doe, Muay Thai, Boxing or other striking art techniques.

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HAHA and to think so many of these forum dwellers always talk about fighters "Growing" but they don't give Segal any credit. Listen you guys are talking about Segal not being able to be a fighter lol you scum of the Earth traditional martial arts isn't about getting in a ring and fighting or brawling. You all make it seem like Machida will use aikido immediately when he fights Rampage. And stop acting like Machida himself is the master of all masters I swear nuthuggin train hoppers. This is Machida learning and growing still a student of the game.

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HAHA and to think so many of these forum dwellers always talk about fighters "Growing" but they don't give Segal any credit. Listen you guys are talking about Segal not being able to be a fighter lol you scum of the Earth traditional martial arts isn't about getting in a ring and fighting or brawling. You all make it seem like Machida will use aikido immediately when he fights Rampage. And stop acting like Machida himself is the master of all masters I swear nuthuggin train hoppers. This is Machida learning and growing still a student of the game.

 

well said.

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True. I might be giving him too much credit but I do know if you read my last two posts. Aikido isn't all jokes. Certain techniques are effective. Which is most likely the reason why Anderson and Lyoto are conversing with him.

 

ok, well I never meant to criticise aikido as a martial art, you probably know a whole a lot more about it than I do, so who am I to judge.

 

I was only talking about seagal

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ok' date=' well I never meant to criticise aikido as a martial art, you probably know a whole a lot more about it than I do, so who am I to judge.

 

I was only talking about seagal[/quote']

 

Yeah I understand. I like Jackie Chan myself as an actor/martial artist. Everyone will favor Chuck but I grew up watching Jackie.

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I'd honestly take Jackie Chan>Seagal. Steven's art isn't all that cracked out as it seems. I did give him far too much credit but it's because of the bashing. Aikido is the worst art to start out with or master. It's by far the least favorites when asked by even Aikido practitioners or BJJ specialists. However it's not harmful to learn.

 

first he studied northern Shaolin Kung Fu then he learned.

southern style kung then he learned. Karate judo hapkido

tong long bak mei even boxing>Jackie Chan. :P

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What a lot of you don't seem to realize is that martial arts training always has been and always will be based on the need to develop self-defense techniques. Karate, tai kwan-do, krav maga, aikido, were all developed as a means of defending oneself against an enemy who usually had some sort of tactical advantage, weapons, numbers, etc. Other than traditional ninjitsu, I can't think of another martial art where practitioners trained purely for offensive weapons.

 

Modern application of martial arts is to learn to defend oneself against your average thug. I think Steven Seagal has mastered his art, and would very quickly dismantle or dismember any normal assailant who would try to do him harm. I'm a Shotokan karate green belt, and I guarantee I'd more than hold my own against your average drunk in a bar-fight, and would probably be OK against 2-4 average Joes out looking for a fight. Sure, I'd get some bumps and bruises, but I'd be able to convince said Joes that I'm a guy best not to be trifled with.

 

With that said, MMA is a whole different story. The unique dynamic of MMA is that self-defense techniques are implemented as much or more for inflicting damage than for "self-defense". I'm a pretty tough individual, but I'd get schooled by anyone with a lot of MMA training.

 

Steven Seagal would never be able to cross over to MMA. Mastery of a single discipline will definitely save your life in any real-world situation, but do very little good against a good MMA athlete who trains in several disciplines. Not to mention, Seagal is a very overweight, 60 year-old dude who makes more money showing up a movie premier than most MMA fighters make in a life-time. Just my 2 cents.

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wow......why would Machida agree to entertaining this faux martial artist Segal. Can't believe I actually watched it. Although it was funny, it was also disturbing. Machida is just a karate kid. I guess he's desperate to learn anything else other than boring azz karate and evolve. Segal was not an actual step in evolving though.

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