Jamhet Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 So, BJ Penn is a pure lightweight. He weighs 165lbs now and cuts little for his fights at LW. That's his natural size, that's the body he has. But when a challenge comes from a higher weight division - he takes it! Because he wants to test himself against the best, regardless of having a huge disadvantage. He's a warrior who wouldn't say no to a challenge. He's fighting Matt Hughes, who is a huge WW. Hughes prolly cuts from around 190-195lbs (like GSP does). But BJ doesn't chicken out, he just goes for it. It's a shame that GSP wouldn't have the balls to fight someone at MW unless he has a weight advantage over that guy (like he has against everybody at WW). The ridiculous thing is that GSP is already as big as any MW out there. He weighs 195lbs for his WW fights (and prolly walks around bigger), which is already 10lb over the 185lbs MW limit (!). Whereas, Penn is gonna fight Hughes being 5lbs under the 170lbs WW limit [sic!]. And those are the fighters I admire: Penn going to WW (or even HW, when he fought Machida!), Silva going to LHW to fight Griffin, Fedor fighting larger guys most of his career. That's the spirit of a true warrior. Back in the old days, a man had to fight whoever he needed to defend his people/family from. If the guy who wanted to kill you was bigger than you, then too bad, you had to face the adversity and overcome it. You had to be a man. BJ Penn, I salute you. ---- Did you see Penn and Hughes at the press conference [Dana's blog video]? Hughes dwarfed Penn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPo Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I actually agree. One thing I admire about BJ is his willingness to take on anyone, regardless of weight class. Very few fighters are willing to take the risk to their record, or risk getting hurt. Love him or hate him, BJ always stepped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killinit Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 so' date=' bj penn is a pure lightweight. He weighs 165lbs now and cuts little for his fights at lw. That's his natural size, that's the body he has. But when a challenge comes from a higher weight division - [b']he takes it[/b]! Because he wants to test himself against the best, regardless of having a huge disadvantage. he's a warrior who wouldn't say no to a challenge. he's fighting matt hughes, who is a huge ww. Hughes prolly cuts from around 190-195lbs (like gsp does). But bj doesn't chicken out, he just goes for it. It's a shame that gsp wouldn't have the balls to fight someone at mw unless he has a weight advantage over that guy (like he has against everybody at ww). The ridiculous thing is that gsp is already as big as any mw out there. He weighs 195lbs for his ww fights (and prolly walks around bigger), which is already 10lb over the 185lbs mw limit (!). Whereas, penn is gonna fight hughes being 5lbs under the 170lbs ww limit [sic!]. And those are the fighters i admire: Penn going to ww (or even hw, when he fought machida!), silva going to lhw to fight griffin, fedor fighting larger guys most of his career. that's the spirit of a true warrior. back in the old days, a man had to fight whoever he needed to defend his people/family from. If the guy who wanted to kill you was bigger than you, then too bad, you had to face the adversity and overcome it. You had to be a man. Bj penn, i salute you. ---- did you see penn and hughes at the press conference [dana's blog video]? Hughes dwarfed penn. +1000000000000000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipso_facto Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Penn in recent years looks very soft. It's no mystery that he is lazy when it comes to training. It isn't anywhere near the same level as most of the other fighter's in the UFC. Because of that fact, any further success will be limited. And what's with the accupuncture? There are no short cuts for hard work in the gym. Penn moving up to WW (I believe) is less about being a warrior, and more about the futility of staying at LW (having been convincingly beaten twice by Edgar)...also less dieting restrictions to go along with his lackadaisical training regiment. As far as GSP, many fighters have to cut significant weight before a fight...that certainly doesn't make them cowards. However, he has stated that he is slowly putting on more lean muscle mass so that he will then move up to MW...perminantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollar Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Yeah that's why I like BJ, he'll fight anyone and never ducks fighters or weight classes (unlike the UFC's MW champ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbrahams Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 if Penn was LW champion he wouldn't be fighting at WW, he got beaten by a natural 145er twice, GSP doesn't need to go to MW there is more depth in the WW division than MW in my opinion Anderson went up because he has beaten pretty much any contender at MW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiousmat Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 So' date=' BJ Penn is a pure lightweight. He weighs 165lbs now and cuts little for his fights at LW. That's his natural size, that's the body he has. But when a challenge comes from a higher weight division - [b']he takes it[/b]! Because he wants to test himself against the best, regardless of having a huge disadvantage. He's a warrior who wouldn't say no to a challenge. He's fighting Matt Hughes, who is a huge WW. Hughes prolly cuts from around 190-195lbs (like GSP does). But BJ doesn't chicken out, he just goes for it. It's a shame that GSP wouldn't have the balls to fight someone at MW unless he has a weight advantage over that guy (like he has against everybody at WW). The ridiculous thing is that GSP is already as big as any MW out there. He weighs 195lbs for his WW fights (and prolly walks around bigger), which is already 10lb over the 185lbs MW limit (!). Whereas, Penn is gonna fight Hughes being 5lbs under the 170lbs WW limit [sic!]. And those are the fighters I admire: Penn going to WW (or even HW, when he fought Machida!), Silva going to LHW to fight Griffin, Fedor fighting larger guys most of his career. That's the spirit of a true warrior. Back in the old days, a man had to fight whoever he needed to defend his people/family from. If the guy who wanted to kill you was bigger than you, then too bad, you had to face the adversity and overcome it. You had to be a man. BJ Penn, I salute you. ---- Did you see Penn and Hughes at the press conference [Dana's blog video]? Hughes dwarfed Penn. To fight the best? yeah maybe back in the days. Now to pretend Hughes is the best is just plain stupid. Penn is just taking this opportunity because he knows Hughes is past his prime and a win over him would look good. Oh and claiming that GSP fights people who are smaller than him all the time displays so much ignorance.. GSP's an average WW he's been fighting guys who were bigger than him more than once. The true warrior sure is one lazy *** and sure loses a lot.. and also kinda likes to make excuses when he fails instead of facing reality like a man and work on improving. What a great warrior. But as I said many times I don't really expect any BJ fan to actually notice how often he loses when he goes up in competition. I see so much people talking about BJ's courage to step up in competition but jeez when he does so, he loses miserably. Rather than saying BJ is such a courageous warrior I'm leaning more toward the "BJ believes his own hype" explaination. And looking back at BJ's behaviour after every loss he has, I'd say that pickign fights at heavier weight is something he likes because it gives him an excuse for losing right there. He doesn't even have to talk about it, people will do it for him. If he wins, they'll be praising his skills for ages. If he loses, it was the weight disadvantage. By fighting above his weight he is constantly avoiding to have the recognition of his skills put at stake. Somehow even losing twice to Edgar didn't open anyone's eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhet Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 never ducks fighters or weight classes (unlike the UFC's MW champ)Oh' date=' the MW champ who jumped up to LHW to fight their ex-champ (whom he demolished) just because he felt like it? , he got beaten by a natural 145er twice, 1. Why do people insist on Edgar being a "natural 145er" only because he's short. Matt Serra is also short for WW, Randleman was short for HW, so what? 2. Edgar was a 155er when they fought. He was NOT 145lbs, he was as heavy or even heavier than Penn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollar Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Oh' date=' the MW champ who jumped up to LHW to fight their ex-champ (whom he demolished) just because he felt like it?[/quote'] Oh yeah, and the one who said he'd hold the title in three different weight classes then refuses to take any more fights at his natural weight class. Your biased opinion is no longer relevent if you're going to rag on GSP for not moving up a weight class and defend Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbrahams Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 1. Why do people insist on Edgar being a "natural 145er" only because he's short. Matt Serra is also short for WW' date=' Randleman was short for HW, so what?2. Edgar was a 155er when they fought. He was NOT 145lbs, he was as heavy or even heavier than Penn.[/quote'] I know but Edgar could easily make 145 in my opinon, I think that BJ can't do as well against the shorter guys and is better suited to guys his size or bigger, he lost to Pulver (avenged it) and lost to Edgar twice but he is willing to fight freaking Lyoto so I think that might be his like mini kryptonite but maybe he just needs his groove back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjameson6969 Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 So' date=' BJ Penn is a pure lightweight. He weighs 165lbs now and cuts little for his fights at LW. That's his natural size, that's the body he has. But when a challenge comes from a higher weight division - [b']he takes it[/b]! Because he wants to test himself against the best, regardless of having a huge disadvantage. He's a warrior who wouldn't say no to a challenge. He's fighting Matt Hughes, who is a huge WW. Hughes prolly cuts from around 190-195lbs (like GSP does). But BJ doesn't chicken out, he just goes for it. It's a shame that GSP wouldn't have the balls to fight someone at MW unless he has a weight advantage over that guy (like he has against everybody at WW). The ridiculous thing is that GSP is already as big as any MW out there. He weighs 195lbs for his WW fights (and prolly walks around bigger), which is already 10lb over the 185lbs MW limit (!). Whereas, Penn is gonna fight Hughes being 5lbs under the 170lbs WW limit [sic!]. And those are the fighters I admire: Penn going to WW (or even HW, when he fought Machida!), Silva going to LHW to fight Griffin, Fedor fighting larger guys most of his career. That's the spirit of a true warrior. Back in the old days, a man had to fight whoever he needed to defend his people/family from. If the guy who wanted to kill you was bigger than you, then too bad, you had to face the adversity and overcome it. You had to be a man. BJ Penn, I salute you. ---- Did you see Penn and Hughes at the press conference [Dana's blog video]? Hughes dwarfed Penn. I like GSP however I agree with everything you say here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhet Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I like GSP however I agree with everything you say hereI like GSP too! He's a great fighter and a great personality. But, he's not called Safe-Pierre for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khazaljj Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 yes x10000! Say what you want about how good or motivated BJ is, there's no denying he's tough as hell and doesn't back down to ANY challenge. I mean the Machida fight showed it all. Try getting GSP to fight Machida.... good luck! BJ's never even been rocked or submitted ever and has gone up in weight many times before to fight much larger opponents. GSP is good enough to beat most people at MW so basically he's just being a ***** staying at WW and fighting the same guys he fought and beat before, again. I really like GSP, but he seriously needs some balls. 4 of BJ's 7 losses have come by guys much bigger than him (strangely the other 3 have come by guys smaller than him). But give BJ another Machida fight and he'll probably take it. That's why he'll always be one of my favourite fighters, he better show up in shape tomorrow though!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSMMA Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 yeah, he does fight up in weight classes, but maybe he should win once in while. and also, he is a lazy fighter, who makes excuses for all his losses. its sad to see how much potential he has but he wastes it because he is lazy. and beating matt hughes isn't going to put him anywhere near a title shot, don't see wy he is doing it. i hope he gets cut if he loses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rup Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 warriors don't cry, bich, and make excuses. I'll fight anybody in the UFC in a controlled environment for money as would tons of other people, and we'd lose just like BJ does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l1fel1ke Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 This whole thread is a bag of fail. I know GSP's strength coach personally and I know for a fact that GSP never cuts more than 10 pounds for a fight, which is part of the reason he doesn't burn out after the first few minutes. Also there's a lot of ww's who are naturally bigger than GSP (Alves, Rumble (pre-injury) for example?). This whole thread has a massive "I <3 BJ and hate GSP" undertone which is just annoying to a neutral GSP/BJ disliker such as myself. I'd say BJ needs to look up to guys who actually put in some effort during training and are competitive after rd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhet Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I know for a fact that GSP never cuts more than 10 pounds for a fight' date=' [/quote']... Press conference before the Dan Hardy fight: GSP: "I'm 195lbs coming into this fight". [Watch it on youtube or ufc.com] YOU FAIL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada_loves_GSP Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 ... Press conference before the Dan Hardy fight: GSP: "I'm 195lbs coming into this fight". [Watch it on youtube or ufc.com] YOU FAIL. You fail cos you taking digs at GSP and not A.silva and A.silva is worse than GSP at ducking so YOU FAIL YOU FUCJING FAILER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fight_Club Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 warriors don't cry' date=' bich, and make excuses. I'll fight anybody in the UFC in a controlled environment for money as would tons of other people, and we'd lose just like BJ does.[/quote'] Totally agree. I saw the video conference, where BJ was going on about how weight is just a number to true warriors...bla...bla...bla. What's even funnier is that people buy that stuff and then go on about how he's a god. Don't get me wrong BJ is a good fighter, but as the post above says BJ is fighting in a controlled enviro. He's definately no William Wallace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Din71 Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 This whole thread is a bag of fail. I know GSP's strength coach personally and I know for a fact that GSP never cuts more than 10 pounds for a fight' date=' which is part of the reason he doesn't burn out after the first few minutes.[/quote'] You better tell GSP to quit lying to us then by saying he cut from over 190 Also there's a lot of ww's who are naturally bigger than GSP (Alves' date=' Rumble (pre-injury) for example?).[/quote'] That's 2 This whole thread has a massive "I <3 BJ and hate GSP" undertone which is just annoying to a neutral GSP/BJ disliker such as myself.. I love GSP' date=' and find BJ annoying but that means I will always buy both of their PPV's. Of course if BJ comes out and looks as bad as his last 2 fights that will be reconsidered. I'd say BJ needs to look up to guys who actually put in some effort during training and are competitive after rd 2 I agree on this one, quitting between rounds is worse than submitting to strikes. Quitting between rounds is more like submitting to your chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRedScare Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 if Penn was LW champion he wouldn't be fighting at WW' date=' he got beaten by a natural 145er twice, GSP doesn't need to go to MW there is more depth in the WW division than MW in my opinion Anderson went up because he has beaten pretty much any contender at MW[/quote'] Yeah, because he wasn't LW champ when he fought Hughes the first time, when Hughes was wrecking people and was the WW champ at the time. BJ takes fights that alot of fighters wouldn't take because that's what he does, he's a true competitor and warrior and wants to test himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Pilks Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 So' date=' BJ Penn is a pure lightweight. He weighs 165lbs now and cuts little for his fights at LW. That's his natural size, that's the body he has. (See answer 1) But when a challenge comes from a higher weight division - [b']he takes it[/b]! Because he wants to test himself against the best, regardless of having a huge disadvantage. He's a warrior who wouldn't say no to a challenge. He's fighting Matt Hughes, who is a huge WW. Hughes prolly cuts from around 190-195lbs (like GSP does). But BJ doesn't chicken out, he just goes for it. (See answer 2) It's a shame that GSP wouldn't have the balls to fight someone at MW unless he has a weight advantage over that guy (like he has against everybody at WW). The ridiculous thing is that GSP is already as big as any MW out there. He weighs 195lbs for his WW fights (and prolly walks around bigger), which is already 10lb over the 185lbs MW limit (!). Whereas, Penn is gonna fight Hughes being 5lbs under the 170lbs WW limit [sic!]. (See answer 3) And those are the fighters I admire: Penn going to WW (or even HW, when he fought Machida!), Silva going to LHW to fight Griffin, Fedor fighting larger guys most of his career. That's the spirit of a true warrior. Back in the old days, a man had to fight whoever he needed to defend his people/family from. If the guy who wanted to kill you was bigger than you, then too bad, you had to face the adversity and overcome it. You had to be a man. (See answer 4) BJ Penn, I salute you. ---- Did you see Penn and Hughes at the press conference [Dana's blog video]? Hughes dwarfed Penn. Seriously, you have got to be kidding me. 1. Yes BJ is a natural lightweight, I’m not going to deny that, but the reason why that’s the body BJ has, is because of you guessed it, BJ. He has one of, if not the worst work ethics in not only MMA, but pro sports. 2. Yes BJ accepts challenges at a higher weigh class but what is his record in those fights. (2-4) He beat a jiu jitsu guy in Renzo and had an impressive win over Matt Hughes. He’s lost to the same Matt Hughes, GSP x2 and Machida. Does BJ have balls? Sure. Having a .333 winning percentage in those fights is nothing to be impressed by. You keep insinuating that GSP cuts 25 lbs for every fight. He has stated many, many times that he cuts from 185-187 and only recently has started adding additional weight properly so that he can move up to Middleweight permanently (after he breaks Hughes consecutive WW defense record). He weighed less than 190 for the Alves fights (2 fights ago for GSP). 3. Again GSP doesn’t want to have an advantage when he fights at Middleweight he just doesn’t want to have a disadvantage as to not end up like BJ when he’s moved up in weight classes. GSP has been smaller than (Alves, Fitch, Koscheck, Hughes and Hardy, meaning they all cut more weight than GSP for the fight) (5 of his last 7 opponents). 4. You can admire BJ all you want about his willingness to move up and fight competition, but truth be told it has not been a good idea in the past and I can see this upcoming Hughes fight going the same way. Silva very well could be a natural LHW as he cuts from 220 to fight at 185 (A higher % than GSP has cut to fight at WW). No one can deny that Fedor has constantly fought way larger opponents and kudos to him for finding a way to WIN (<------ extremely important in a one on one competition). PS. To touch on another point in this thread Edgar cut 1 maybe 2 pounds to fight at LW, so if you’re saying that BJ is a natural lightweight cutting from 165 to 155, then by your own admission Edgar would indeed be a natural FW cutting from 156-145. GSP did look up to BJ, when he was watching the replay of the so called warrior quitting on his stool before round 5 of a championship fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeping_death18 Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 So' date=' BJ Penn is a pure lightweight. He weighs 165lbs now and cuts little for his fights at LW. That's his natural size, that's the body he has. But when a challenge comes from a higher weight division - [b']he takes it[/b]! Because he wants to test himself against the best, regardless of having a huge disadvantage. He's a warrior who wouldn't say no to a challenge. He's fighting Matt Hughes, who is a huge WW. Hughes prolly cuts from around 190-195lbs (like GSP does). But BJ doesn't chicken out, he just goes for it. It's a shame that GSP wouldn't have the balls to fight someone at MW unless he has a weight advantage over that guy (like he has against everybody at WW). The ridiculous thing is that GSP is already as big as any MW out there. He weighs 195lbs for his WW fights (and prolly walks around bigger), which is already 10lb over the 185lbs MW limit (!). Whereas, Penn is gonna fight Hughes being 5lbs under the 170lbs WW limit [sic!]. And those are the fighters I admire: Penn going to WW (or even HW, when he fought Machida!), Silva going to LHW to fight Griffin, Fedor fighting larger guys most of his career. That's the spirit of a true warrior. Back in the old days, a man had to fight whoever he needed to defend his people/family from. If the guy who wanted to kill you was bigger than you, then too bad, you had to face the adversity and overcome it. You had to be a man. BJ Penn, I salute you. ---- Did you see Penn and Hughes at the press conference [Dana's blog video]? Hughes dwarfed Penn. Dude one thing you have to understand is that when your a fighter you have to live healthy GSP hasnt moved up to mw because for 1 he still has work to do as does silva and 2 when he makes the decision to move up he wants to build lean muscle and feel natrual at mw going up and down in weight can hurt your power and your cardio GSP is smart he'll do it the right way and another thing you have to consider is most mw are tall 6 ft and have huge reach advantages i garuntee you if bj loses this fight it will be because he did'nt move up in pounds the smart way he will gas or something even though he didnt gain much when he moved up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobilator Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 BJ and GSP are bot great fighter but GSP is just more dedicated and have a great mind about learning . BJ like to fight but he hate to train and challenge in Hawai with is brother with no real sparring partner . The best thing who can happen to the supposed ( Prodigy ) is change is camp and dedicate himself at 100 % in MMA with mind and pro athlete training . I will always buy a event with BJ in it because he just the kind of fighter who try to give us a good fight . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Me and my friends talk about what it is about Bj that keeps him in our Top 3 best fighters of all time list. Its always the same key moments. * We talk about Bj being locked in a crucifix being smashed by Matt and not tapping after repeated strikes directly to his face. Just giving a grimace of pain and no-quit. *We talk about Bj accepting the Renzo Gracie fight after years of being called a traitor and a snake by the Gracie family. His biggest critic(Ralph Gracie) gave him a half hearted approval after the fight where Bj fought with everything he had. * We talk about the Lyoto/Penn fight, a place Bj had no business but came in at 190lbs for the experience of fighting someone as skilled and masterful as Lyoto. * We mention how GSP's face was turned into ground beef when he didnt know what Bj was all about and then only to lose a decision and then wanting to fight GSP again. After the 2nd loss to GSP, Bj wanted to fight him again. This is not the mindset of a defeated fighter. *Today we are texting and tlaking on facebook about how this guy Bj is on a 2 fight losing streak and is challenging a guy on a 3 fight winning streak and how he lost to Matt the last time the fought. Im sorry but if you have something bad or disrespectful to say about BJ Penn based on his performance and the roads he takes, you are not a fan of warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMA_religion Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 if penn looses, his fighting career could, coulddd be in some doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LESNAR16FTW Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Yeah that's why I like BJ' date=' he'll fight anyone and never ducks fighters or weight classes (unlike the UFC's MW champ)[/quote'] yes i agree with bj who has silva ever ducked ? silva fought the bigest cheater in MMA with a broken rib and still remained pound for pound greatest fighter in the world. silva will never duck anybody he has sated he would enjoy a fight with frank mir a top 10 heavyweight no where clsoe to silvas natural size please retract your comment about the greatest fighter in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portorockxxl Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 one thing is clear BJ needs to bring it no more underpreformance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarberBeefcake Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 "i only want to be known as the greatest ever, is that too much to ask?".................yep;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckstillbest4ever Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I love B.J.'s fights! But before and after the fights is when he is completely dumb. And I think Matt Hughes will out work him in their fight and finish it in the 3rd round like their last fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mg10 Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 What BJ Penn does is incredible fighting so many people larger than him. The fact that he fought Lyoto Machida who weighed 220 at the time still shocks me. Winning a title in two weight classes is amazing. The thing people get confused with though is they think because BJ Penn does this everyone can do it too. What BJ does is rare among top fighters, winning titles in multiple weight classes. There is nothing wrong with being a dominant champion in one weight class in your career. As for the myth that GSP fights people who are way smaller than him. GSP never walked around at 195 until before his fight with Dan Hardy. Even then he said maybe 190 or just over. Before that his walk around weight was always 185. This is a walk around weight, he is definitely not cutting this much weight before weigh ins or his cardio would not be as amazing as it is. Thiago Alves has admitted to walking around at 200 pounds before, although he does not cut that much he was bigger than GSP for their fight. Dan Hardy has also claimed that he walks around at almost 200 pounds. In the fight he was the same size if not bigger than GSP. Jon Fitch is not small either, he is probably not bigger than gsp, but he either equal in weight on fight night or close to it. People accuse GSP of just winning fights with size because Matt Serra and BJ Penn are previous lightweight fights. That does not mean every person he faces is much smaller than him because Alves, Fitch and Hardy are not much smaller than him. He may not be moving up to fight at middleweight like Penn would do, but he does not have a ridiculous size advantage over the welterweight competition. That huge size advantage has been proven to be that beneficial in the long run anyway. Look at how many problems Thiago Alves and Anthony Johnson have faced lately, when before they looked unstoppable. Did Matt Hughes ever challenge for the middleweight belt? No he did not he stayed at welterweight and dominated. Does this mean he is not a legend? Of course not Matt Hughes is a legend, one of the best of all time. Of course I would like GSP to move up, but there is nothing wrong with him continuing to dominate at welterweight, especially with new challenges on there way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhet Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Me and my friends talk about what it is about Bj that keeps him in our Top 3 best fighters of all time list. Its always the same key moments. * We talk about Bj being locked in a crucifix being smashed by Matt and not tapping after repeated strikes directly to his face. Just giving a grimace of pain and no-quit. *We talk about Bj accepting the Renzo Gracie fight after years of being called a traitor and a snake by the Gracie family. His biggest critic(Ralph Gracie) gave him a half hearted approval after the fight where Bj fought with everything he had. * We talk about the Lyoto/Penn fight' date=' a place Bj had no business but came in at 190lbs for the experience of fighting someone as skilled and masterful as Lyoto. * We mention how GSP's face was turned into ground beef when he didnt know what Bj was all about and then only to lose a decision and then wanting to fight GSP again. After the 2nd loss to GSP, Bj wanted to fight him again. This is not the mindset of a defeated fighter. *Today we are texting and tlaking on facebook about how this guy Bj is on a 2 fight losing streak and is challenging a guy on a 3 fight winning streak and how he lost to Matt the last time the fought. Im sorry but if you have something bad or disrespectful to say about BJ Penn based on his performance and the roads he takes, you are not a fan of warriors.[/quote']Amen to that brother. He fought Machida at a very late notice. He was 186lbs, but not because he bulked up, but he simply didn't have time to train and was so fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadadio Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 So' date=' BJ Penn is a pure lightweight. He weighs 165lbs now and cuts little for his fights at LW. That's his natural size, that's the body he has. But when a challenge comes from a higher weight division - [b']he takes it[/b]! Because he wants to test himself against the best, regardless of having a huge disadvantage. He's a warrior who wouldn't say no to a challenge. He's fighting Matt Hughes, who is a huge WW. Hughes prolly cuts from around 190-195lbs (like GSP does). But BJ doesn't chicken out, he just goes for it. It's a shame that GSP wouldn't have the balls to fight someone at MW unless he has a weight advantage over that guy (like he has against everybody at WW). The ridiculous thing is that GSP is already as big as any MW out there. He weighs 195lbs for his WW fights (and prolly walks around bigger), which is already 10lb over the 185lbs MW limit (!). Whereas, Penn is gonna fight Hughes being 5lbs under the 170lbs WW limit [sic!]. And those are the fighters I admire: Penn going to WW (or even HW, when he fought Machida!), Silva going to LHW to fight Griffin, Fedor fighting larger guys most of his career. That's the spirit of a true warrior. Back in the old days, a man had to fight whoever he needed to defend his people/family from. If the guy who wanted to kill you was bigger than you, then too bad, you had to face the adversity and overcome it. You had to be a man. BJ Penn, I salute you. ---- Did you see Penn and Hughes at the press conference [Dana's blog video]? Hughes dwarfed Penn. well incase you had not noticed, GSP actually plans to fight anderson silva one day but after he clears out his division some more. because if he moves up to middle wieght it would be really hard for him to cut down to WW seeing as GSP has a very low body fat percentage at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 well incase you had not noticed' date=' GSP actually plans to fight anderson silva one day but after he clears out his division some more. because if he moves up to middle wieght it would be really hard for him to cut down to WW seeing as GSP has a very low body fat percentage at the moment[/quote'] Noone is left in the WW division. We are talking about Lytle and Condit. Both of them would get wrestled to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadadio Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Noone is left in the WW division. We are talking about Lytle and Condit. Both of them would get wrestled to death.Koscheck shields and possible john fitch. but I think if GSP gets past the first 2 and if Anderson gets past belfort and Okami we will finally see GSP vs Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiel Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 So' date=' BJ Penn is a pure lightweight. He weighs 165lbs now and cuts little for his fights at LW. That's his natural size, that's the body he has. But when a challenge comes from a higher weight division - [b']he takes it[/b]! Because he wants to test himself against the best, regardless of having a huge disadvantage. He's a warrior who wouldn't say no to a challenge. He's fighting Matt Hughes, who is a huge WW. Hughes prolly cuts from around 190-195lbs (like GSP does). But BJ doesn't chicken out, he just goes for it. It's a shame that GSP wouldn't have the balls to fight someone at MW unless he has a weight advantage over that guy (like he has against everybody at WW). The ridiculous thing is that GSP is already as big as any MW out there. He weighs 195lbs for his WW fights (and prolly walks around bigger), which is already 10lb over the 185lbs MW limit (!). Whereas, Penn is gonna fight Hughes being 5lbs under the 170lbs WW limit [sic!]. And those are the fighters I admire: Penn going to WW (or even HW, when he fought Machida!), Silva going to LHW to fight Griffin, Fedor fighting larger guys most of his career. That's the spirit of a true warrior. Back in the old days, a man had to fight whoever he needed to defend his people/family from. If the guy who wanted to kill you was bigger than you, then too bad, you had to face the adversity and overcome it. You had to be a man. BJ Penn, I salute you. ---- Did you see Penn and Hughes at the press conference [Dana's blog video]? Hughes dwarfed Penn. GSP isnt even close to being as big as any middleweight out there. Anderson, Okami, W. Silva, Bisping... these guys are quite a bit bigger, they made a cut to fight at 205, so saying GSP is as big as the biggest middleweights isnt very accurate.. Penn does step up though, no denying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Koscheck shields and possible john fitch. but I think if GSP gets past the first 2 and if Anderson gets past belfort and Okami we will finally see GSP vs Anderson Fitch was already utterly destroyed by GSP Koscheck is fighting GSP because noone else is left. GSP already beat him Shields....Did you see what Kampmann did to that guy? He is not the one to beat GSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Yes a lazy and unmotivated guy is a warrior....... BJ is a spoiled rich kid...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuMaster Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 How many times do I have to say this? Here's the deal with Penn. What I am about to say may hurt your pride, but please try to stay strong as it will only make you a better fan. In the early part of Penn's MMA career, he was forced to train and undergo work-out regimens which his body has never had to endure. But cunningly, Penn figured out a way to bypass the training all-together eliminating the need to exercise and cut weight. Instead of fighting at the 155 lb division where he will need to train, exercise and cut weight, he has decided to take a more intelligent approach to making weight by simply fighting at a higher weight class. Not only did he avoid training all-together, he was able to do away with exercise and diet as well. Many fighters nowadays have to sacrifice a huge portion of their lives in order to participate in MMA. However, Penn has been able to partake in this sport without having to train, exercise, cut weight and make his life revolve around MMA. The man is a genius I tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTerribleWilliamson Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Lol @ BJ Penn being someone to look up to. He's a lazy gutless quitter with an abysmal record against top tier opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam_Man Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Yeah man I completely agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTerribleWilliamson Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Yeah man I completely agree with you. Thanks, It's refreshing to see that there are others who cant stand this overrated lightweight can crusher who folds like a futon whenever he's pressured or challenged by an opponent. Watching GSP pound his fat face until he quit like a bxtch was the single most enjoyable moment I've experienced to date as an MMA fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam_Man Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Thanks' date=' It's refreshing to see that there are others who cant stand this overrated lightweight can crusher who folds like a futon whenever he's pressured or challenged by an opponent. Watching GSP pound his fat face until he quit like a bxtch was the single most enjoyable moment I've experienced to date as an MMA fan [/quote'] No the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 How many times do I have to say this? Here's the deal with Penn. What I am about to say may hurt your pride' date=' but please try to stay strong as it will only make you a better fan. In the early part of Penn's MMA career, he was forced to train and undergo work-out regimens which his body has never had to endure. But cunningly, Penn figured out a way to bypass the training all-together eliminating the need to exercise and cut weight. Instead of fighting at the 155 lb division where he will need to train, exercise and cut weight, he has decided to take a more intelligent approach to making weight by simply fighting at a higher weight class. Not only did he avoid training all-together, he was able to do away with exercise and diet as well. Many fighters nowadays have to sacrifice a huge portion of their lives in order to participate in MMA. However, Penn has been able to partake in this sport without having to train, exercise, cut weight and make his life revolve around MMA. The man is a genius I tell you.[/quote'] and look how that style has turned out..... Lol @ BJ Penn being someone to look up to. He's a lazy gutless quitter with an abysmal record against top tier opponents. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam_Man Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Lmao, I do look up to BJ especially if he doesn't train. That guy is making good moves, and if he got that far on pure talent then why would he train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTerribleWilliamson Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 No the OP. I feel the same way...no to the OP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarberBeefcake Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Lmao' date=' I do look up to BJ especially if he doesn't train. That guy is making good moves, and if he got that far on pure talent then why would he train.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Lmao' date=' I do look up to BJ especially if he doesn't train. That guy is making good moves, and if he got that far on pure talent then why would he train.[/quote'] maybe to be considered the best, which he is FAR from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuMaster Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 and look how that style has turned out..... +1 I am disappointed in you. My post was a flame post against BJ. (Kung Fu shakes his head) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I am disappointed in you. My post was a flame post against BJ. (Kung Fu shakes his head) not dissing you. Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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