amarvit Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Firstly, as a Machida fan, I acknowledge the result of UFC 123's main event. Lyoto's record is 16-2 not 17-1. What I wanna say is that I think Dana was a bit harsh in the post-fight presser by saying there would be no Rampage-Machida rematch. I'm not gonna cry like half of the other Machida fans and say "ARRGHHH LYOTO GOT ROBBED LIKE RUA" and crap like that. What I will say is that there are a lot of fans out there, Machida fans or not, that think Machida won just like there were loads of fans saying Rua won the first fight. So isn't it kinda unfair that Machida isn't gonna get a rematch simply because Dana thinks Rampage won?? Think about it...Rua lost to Lyoto via UNANIMOUS DECISION and he got a rematch (yeah the level of robbery in that fight was probably higher then in Rampage-Machida) whilst Machida lost to Rampage via SPLIT DECISION where literally the difference between who won and lost was like 4.5 punches and half a leg kick. The one big factor was that Dana thought Rua won so one can believe thats why the rematch happened. Now, Dana thought Rampage won so there will be no rematch even though fans want and would gladly welcome Rampage-Machida 2. You can say the same thing for the Edgar-Penn saga. Would Edgar have gotten a rematch if Penn won the first fight 48-47 on all 3 judges cards? Discuss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turok Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 its Lyoto own fault. he should have attack rampage from round 1 not wait till he lost 2 rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarvit Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 True but one judge had the fight for Lyoto. I havent seen the judges cards yet but I think that judge gave rounds 1 and 3 to Lyoto and I had it the same watching the fight. Round 1 was really close (one could argue it was a draw?)... :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodyModifier Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Welcome to the UFC. Dana White seems to be fond of Rampage and doesn't seem to like Lyotos style either. The judging is horrendous because they don't know what they're looking at. If the judging was adjusted we wouldn't have this problem. Instead we have a million rematches a year. Then we have people buying into what people believe. Joe Rogans "Octagon Control" excuse for Rampage,and Dana Whites scoring of the fight. Goes to show that people will buy into anything that is said to them and don't think for themselves. Or have clouded judgement based on their favorite fighter winning. Let's put it this way. If Matt Hughes recovered and the ref let that fight go on. I would of got a little angry because it should have been stopped, and Matt Hughes is my favorite fighter.... If it was the majority of the world. They would say YES HE WON. Fair and square!(Just an example of people and their favorite fighter winning on weird circumstances) Another example. Falcoa's fight he was strafing a lot in the 3rd round. He is getting bashed for that 3rd round alone but looked stellar in his previous rounds. Rampage looked horrible throughout the whole 3 rounds. He doesn't get bashed.... Anyways. Machida should get a rematch. If everyone else can get a rematch when they shouldn't. Why can't Machida? Oh yeah because Dana White is a business man and doesn't really care what the fans want to see. He does what he does best and run his business. Nothing wrong with that but for the Machida fans. It's a kick in the nads. We want to see a rematch because it is obvious that the fight shouldn't have went to Rampage. If anything it should have been a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarvit Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Welcome to the UFC. Dana White seems to be fond of Rampage and doesn't seem to like Lyotos style either. The judging is horrendous because they don't know what they're looking at. If the judging was adjusted we wouldn't have this problem. Instead we have a million rematches a year. Then we have people buying into what people believe. Joe Rogans "Octagon Control" excuse for Rampage' date='and Dana Whites scoring of the fight. Goes to show that people will buy into anything that is said to them and don't think for themselves. Or have clouded judgement based on their favorite fighter winning. Let's put it this way. If Matt Hughes recovered and the ref let that fight go on. I would of got a little angry because it should have been stopped, and Matt Hughes is my favorite fighter.... If it was the majority of the world. They would say YES HE WON. Fair and square!(Just an example of people and their favorite fighter winning on weird circumstances) Another example. Falcoa's fight he was strafing a lot in the 3rd round. He is getting bashed for that 3rd round alone but looked stellar in his previous rounds. Rampage looked horrible throughout the whole 3 rounds. He doesn't get bashed.... Anyways. Machida should get a rematch. If everyone else can get a rematch when they shouldn't. Why can't Machida? Oh yeah because Dana White is a business man and doesn't really care what the fans want to see. He does what he does best and run his business. Nothing wrong with that but for the Machida fans. It's a kick in the nads. We want to see a rematch because it is obvious that the fight shouldn't have went to Rampage. If anything it should have been a draw.[/quote'] Completely agree. I've made a thread about a scoring system out of 100 which would be fairer and Machida would have won like 294-290. It would allow judges to take away points for getting taken down, knocked down and stuff like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzinos Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 dana always says he cant do anything about the judges, the comission picks them and most of the time they have no idea about what they are watching. However doesnt ufc, as an organisation, have the right to change the rules of their own game? Like the way the ban leg kicks to the head of a downed opponent. I mean if the wanted couldnt they ban elbows too? This way couldnt they change the scoring system? or is it something again controlled by some comission and needs to be the same for all organizations? I mean they should really get down with all the important people in the sport and the fighters and come up with a new judjing/scoring system. And then put some of their cash in schools educating the new judges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodyModifier Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 dana always says he cant do anything about the judges' date=' the comission picks them and most of the time they have no idea about what they are watching. However doesnt ufc, as an organisation, have the right to change the rules of their own game? Like the way the ban leg kicks to the head of a downed opponent. I mean if the wanted couldnt they ban elbows too? This way couldnt they change the scoring system? or is it something again controlled by some comission and needs to be the same for all organizations? I mean they should really get down with all the important people in the sport and the fighters and come up with a new judjing/scoring system. And then put some of their cash in schools educating the new judges.[/quote'] Unfortunately I don't think Dana White is concerned with it too much. People get angry at the rematches cause of the odd judging but he knows how to milk it and hype it up. He's not fair to the fighters that deserve titles most of the time and just leaves them on the back burner till it's time to hype them up. I understand it. I just don't agree with it. I'm sure Dana White won't make any attempt or action on the judging any time soon. In the future possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiccoli Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Welcome to the UFC. Dana White seems to be fond of Rampage and doesn't seem to like Lyotos style either. The judging is horrendous because they don't know what they're looking at. If the judging was adjusted we wouldn't have this problem. Instead we have a million rematches a year. Then we have people buying into what people believe. Joe Rogans "Octagon Control" excuse for Rampage' date='and Dana Whites scoring of the fight. Goes to show that people will buy into anything that is said to them and don't think for themselves. Or have clouded judgement based on their favorite fighter winning. Let's put it this way. If Matt Hughes recovered and the ref let that fight go on. I would of got a little angry because it should have been stopped, and Matt Hughes is my favorite fighter.... If it was the majority of the world. They would say YES HE WON. Fair and square!(Just an example of people and their favorite fighter winning on weird circumstances) Another example. Falcoa's fight he was strafing a lot in the 3rd round. He is getting bashed for that 3rd round alone but looked stellar in his previous rounds. Rampage looked horrible throughout the whole 3 rounds. He doesn't get bashed.... Anyways. Machida should get a rematch. If everyone else can get a rematch when they shouldn't. Why can't Machida? Oh yeah because Dana White is a business man and doesn't really care what the fans want to see. He does what he does best and run his business. Nothing wrong with that but for the Machida fans. It's a kick in the nads. We want to see a rematch because it is obvious that the fight shouldn't have went to Rampage. If anything it should have been a draw.[/quote'] you said it brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Dana White said it perfectly.. "You dont win fights by backing off. Machida had clearly shown a few moments where he hurt Rampage with a knee but never capitalized.Instead Machida backs off and regroups. You just cant win fights that way" Not against tough chinned bastards like Shogun and Rampage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiccoli Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 dana always says he cant do anything about the judges' date=' the comission picks them and most of the time they have no idea about what they are watching. However doesnt ufc, as an organisation, have the right to change the rules of their own game? Like the way the ban leg kicks to the head of a downed opponent. I mean if the wanted couldnt they ban elbows too? This way couldnt they change the scoring system? or is it something again controlled by some comission and needs to be the same for all organizations? I mean they should really get down with all the important people in the sport and the fighters and come up with a new judjing/scoring system. And then put some of their cash in schools educating the new judges.[/quote'] said this before...UFC school for refs. like baseball. mma is everywhere.The UFC would make $$$ and train refs from the ground up. conflict of intresr can be adressed pretty easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarvit Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Dana White said it perfectly.. "You dont win fights by backing off. Machida had clearly shown a few moments where he hurt Rampage with a knee but never capitalized.Instead Machida backs off and regroups. You just cant win fights that way" Not against tough chinned bastards like Shogun and Rampage. Yeah but atleast give him the chance to maybe win convincingly in a rematch? I've accepted the outcome, it wont change, LYOTO LOST as much as I and many others think he won. Rua got another chance, Penn got another chance, fighters that lose because of premature stoppages get another chance...why shouldnt Machida get one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterPo Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 It's one thing to have a close or controversial decision in a championship fight, but this wasn't one. Should we have a rematch in 6 months? What happens if Machida squeaks out a decision, do we then have a rubber match 6 months after that, and keep both guys from fight anyone else until 2012? I'd rather see them both move on. If they have what it takes, they will work their way through their upcoming opponents, and then who knows what may happen. I can thin of a lot more exciting fights for both these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildy0urcages Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 The most damage that Rampage did the whole fight was stomp Machida's toes. Rampage had no answer for Lyoto so he just hugged him against the cage wall rather than getting picked apart on the feet. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodyModifier Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 It's one thing to have a close or controversial decision in a championship fight' date=' but this wasn't one. Should we have a rematch in 6 months? What happens if Machida squeaks out a decision, do we then have a rubber match 6 months after that, and keep both guys from fight anyone else until 2012? I'd rather see them both move on. If they have what it takes, they will work their way through their upcoming opponents, and then who knows what may happen. I can thin of a lot more exciting fights for both these guys.[/quote'] I never thought about this. The only reason why people are claiming a rematch is because that's a loss on Machidas record, and now he's going to be put in the back of the line by DW. Unfortunately we know it's Machidas style that has made it this way but that's the way he fights. There will be more exciting match ups. I just think it was to put on a better performance if they did rematch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TornHonor Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Dana White doesn't give a **** what you think as long as you keep ordering his PPV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD_40 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 The most damage that Rampage did the whole fight was stomp Machida's toes. Rampage had no answer for Lyoto so he just hugged him against the cage wall rather than getting picked apart on the feet. Pathetic. so you missed a take down a leg kick and an uppercut and left hook combination, were you in the potty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Machida doesnt deserve a rematch. He had his chance to bounce back with Rampage but instead lost. Not only did he lose but he was lackluster. Why would Dana rematch this fight if it didnt live up to the hype? It was a split decision. You rematch this and your hurting Jackson's chances and improving Machida's. Rampage fought and took risks. Machida fought carefully and took very little chances, looking for an opening for a good pot shot. You repeat this fight and your just giving Machida more time to catch Rampage slipping. Rampage took the risk and Machida didnt. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzinos Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 how stupid is a statement saying you dont win matches with this style and backing up. Did he now realize this?? Can someone explain me machidas record and how he became champion of the UFC? Also a very valid point by the topik starter and i wish someone (that ariel guy maybe) asked dana for this. Dana always pretends to not be choosing sides and that he doesnt affect results and that joel silva makes the matches. However in the shogun-machida he decided to question the decision and give the rematch and this time he doesnt. And i dont care for the rematch, i dont want to see this matchup again, but i am only mentioning the double standards. And the main reason i dont care for the rematch is that rampage doesnt have the brains to figure out what to do with machidas style. All he cares is swinging punches. Even if they fight 10 times rampage will always use the same weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus007 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Welcome to the UFC. Dana White seems to be fond of Rampage and doesn't seem to like Lyotos style either. The judging is horrendous because they don't know what they're looking at. If the judging was adjusted we wouldn't have this problem. Instead we have a million rematches a year. Then we have people buying into what people believe. Joe Rogans "Octagon Control" excuse for Rampage' date='and Dana Whites scoring of the fight. Goes to show that people will buy into anything that is said to them and don't think for themselves. Or have clouded judgement based on their favorite fighter winning. Let's put it this way. If Matt Hughes recovered and the ref let that fight go on. I would of got a little angry because it should have been stopped, and Matt Hughes is my favorite fighter.... If it was the majority of the world. They would say YES HE WON. Fair and square!(Just an example of people and their favorite fighter winning on weird circumstances) Another example. Falcoa's fight he was strafing a lot in the 3rd round. He is getting bashed for that 3rd round alone but looked stellar in his previous rounds. Rampage looked horrible throughout the whole 3 rounds. He doesn't get bashed.... Anyways. Machida should get a rematch. If everyone else can get a rematch when they shouldn't. Why can't Machida? Oh yeah because Dana White is a business man and doesn't really care what the fans want to see. He does what he does best and run his business. Nothing wrong with that but for the Machida fans. It's a kick in the nads. We want to see a rematch because it is obvious that the fight shouldn't have went to Rampage. If anything it should have been a draw.[/quote'] But it wasnt a title-fight, so less interest in a re-match and interest equals dollars and this is a business for DW not a sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodyModifier Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 But it wasnt a title-fight' date=' so less interest in a re-match and interest equals dollars and this is a business for DW not a sport.[/quote'] Yeah I get it now. I just don't like the way he runs it sometimes. The way he picks sides and what not. I don't care for the rematch because it'll pan out the same way. It's just the way he runs the sport is just annoying sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourteen Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 pay attention this is dana white and rampage is worth more money than lyoto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zykllonp Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I think White is showing a bit a favor for certain fighters. I think he feels a growing trend developing because of some slow ( not producing as much money ) pay per views in addition, Brock Lesnars 2 title defense were mostly him getting destroyed and running ..... Perhaps in his eyes he feels pressure to influence his fighters to put on exciting fights. He has changed his tune thought, a year ago he was praising Machida for being so dynamic and methodical, now he doesn’t want to give Machida a rematch because he knows Rampage will loose again. : I think he lost the fight regardless: Its all about the money for White now. I guess white just feels rampage is a bigger draw, that is what it comes down to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananabread Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Lyoto doesn't deserve a rematch. If he got the decision, Rampage wouldn't deserve a rematch either. They both sucked, simple. Rampage's aggression got him the win, but neither of them really went for it. I don't see why Machida would get a rematch when all he did for 3 rounds was run around the octagon? I like him, but you gotta draw a line when he's not actually hitting Rampage with anything for almost the entire fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epilogue1406051983 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 there will be no rematch because there is no title on the line... if there was a title on the line there would very likely be a rematch... also... it's pretty clear that Dana isn't really a big fan of Lyoto, and in all honestly not a fan of Black House in general these days and I doubt he's willing to do any of those guys any favors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epilogue1406051983 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I think White is showing a bit a favor for certain fighters. I think he feels a growing trend developing because of some slow ( not producing as much money ) pay per views in addition' date=' Brock Lesnars 2 title defense were mostly him getting destroyed and running ..... Perhaps in his eyes he feels pressure to influence his fighters to put on exciting fights. He has changed his tune thought, a year ago he was praising Machida for being so dynamic and methodical, now he doesn?t want to give Machida a rematch because he knows Rampage will loose again. : I think he lost the fight regardless: Its all about the money for White now. I guess white just feels rampage is a bigger draw, that is what it comes down to.[/quote'] the difference between a sport and sport entertainment... its a shame that the fighters that treat the fight as a legit sport are the ones most often reprimanded for doing so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCITOLDUSO Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Another example. Falcoa's fight he was strafing a lot in the 3rd round. He is getting bashed for that 3rd round alone but looked stellar in his previous rounds. Rampage looked horrible throughout the whole 3 rounds. He doesn't get bashed..... This was Falco's first time to the big dance. He is a young guy who is very dynamic. He'll get his "talking to" in private. Rampage, conversely, knows better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDevil Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Dana probaly has been hear too much about whole "instant rematch" stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qball Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 pay attention this is dana white and rampage is worth more money than lyoto. This is absolutely true, also had this been a 5 round fight, good night rampage... Im not a big machida fan, simply for the fact that his backtracking can get a bit frustrating. But like it or not, his style is to avoid hits & counter when he sees opportunity, which boores dana white... To give no rematch says alot about this organisation, obviously just trying to run machida out of town... maybe the best slap in danas face would be for lyoto to join strikeforce for a bit... Theres actually a couple of good battles waiting for him there anyways! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGL9311 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 A split decision will always be controversial, however not every split decision needs an immediate rematch. In fact, I don't like immediate rematches... If the LHW is as deep as people say it is, let Rampage and Machida fight other contenders instead of fighting each other again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Firstly' date=' as a Machida fan, I acknowledge the result of UFC 123's main event. Lyoto's record is 16-2 not 17-1. What I wanna say is that I think Dana was a bit harsh in the post-fight presser by saying there would be no Rampage-Machida rematch. I'm not gonna cry like half of the other Machida fans and say "ARRGHHH LYOTO GOT ROBBED LIKE RUA" and crap like that. What I will say is that there are a lot of fans out there, Machida fans or not, that think Machida won just like there were loads of fans saying Rua won the first fight. So isn't it kinda unfair that Machida isn't gonna get a rematch simply because Dana thinks Rampage won?? Think about it...Rua lost to Lyoto via UNANIMOUS DECISION and he got a rematch (yeah the level of robbery in that fight was probably higher then in Rampage-Machida) whilst Machida lost to Rampage via SPLIT DECISION where literally the difference between who won and lost was like 4.5 punches and half a leg kick. The one big factor was that Dana thought Rua won so one can believe thats why the rematch happened. Now, Dana thought Rampage won so there will be no rematch even though fans want and would gladly welcome Rampage-Machida 2. You can say the same thing for the Edgar-Penn saga. Would Edgar have gotten a rematch if Penn won the first fight 48-47 on all 3 judges cards? Discuss...[/quote'] machida/Rampage is not a title fight. Machuida /Shogan was. There is more impetus to rematch a title fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryodog Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I can't believe people actually think Machida won. I like them both, and I really was expecting Machida to out-class Rampage... But he just ran backwards for two rounds. Rampage was getting the strikes in, then Machida just ran backwards.... He finally made a push in the 3rd, tried for the sub and Rampage escaped. Easily 29-28 Rampage. Seriously, you guys get mad at Wrestlers for "Lay N praying", at least they work for the postition. Machida seriously just ran backwards.... Still a great event all in all though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiousmat Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 well I know what you mean but unfortunately the UFC offers no justice in regards to these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarvit Posted November 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 machida/Rampage is not a title fight. Machuida /Shogan was. There is more impetus to rematch a title fight. Yeah but this fight was still a fight to determine a possible top contender for a title so its the highest you can get in terms of importance other then an actual title fight. If this was just a standard light heavyweight fight between 2 decent fighters then yes there would no point in a rematch. This fight was actually HUGE for both fighters in terms of their futures. Machida now is atleast 3 fights from a title (with one possibly against Jones )... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarvit Posted November 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Lyoto doesn't deserve a rematch. If he got the decision' date=' Rampage wouldn't deserve a rematch either. They both sucked, simple. Rampage's aggression got him the win, but neither of them really went for it. I don't see why Machida would get a rematch when all he did for 3 rounds was run around the octagon? I like him, but you gotta draw a line when he's not actually hitting Rampage with anything for almost the entire fight.[/quote'] Lyoto threw LESS but landed MORE then Rampage...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 said this before...UFC school for refs. like baseball. mma is everywhere.The UFC would make $$$ and train refs from the ground up. conflict of intresr can be adressed pretty easily. totally agree and i cant believe it isnt already like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylanisgodawful Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Firstly' date=' as a Machida fan, I acknowledge the result of UFC 123's main event. Lyoto's record is 16-2 not 17-1. What I wanna say is that I think Dana was a bit harsh in the post-fight presser by saying there would be no Rampage-Machida rematch. I'm not gonna cry like half of the other Machida fans and say "ARRGHHH LYOTO GOT ROBBED LIKE RUA" and crap like that. What I will say is that there are a lot of fans out there, Machida fans or not, that think Machida won just like there were loads of fans saying Rua won the first fight. So isn't it kinda unfair that Machida isn't gonna get a rematch simply because Dana thinks Rampage won?? Think about it..[b'].Rua lost to Lyoto via UNANIMOUS DECISION and he got a rematch[/b] (yeah the level of robbery in that fight was probably higher then in Rampage-Machida) whilst Machida lost to Rampage via SPLIT DECISION where literally the difference between who won and lost was like 4.5 punches and half a leg kick. The one big factor was that Dana thought Rua won so one can believe thats why the rematch happened. Now, Dana thought Rampage won so there will be no rematch even though fans want and would gladly welcome Rampage-Machida 2. You can say the same thing for the Edgar-Penn saga. Would Edgar have gotten a rematch if Penn won the first fight 48-47 on all 3 judges cards? Discuss... IMO the difference between Machida/Rua,Penn/Edgar has with Jackson/Machida is based on that the two other fights were title shots. I think that Dana doesn't want to give Machida a rematch immediately because if these two guys work to stay at the top of the division than they might meet again inevitably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkFire Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Dana White hates Blackhouse Fighters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbeast28 Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Shogun got robbed. Machida got beat by split decision. Your wrong most of the fans do not want to see an immediate rematch. Joe Rogan does not represent the majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudiorebelo Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 In these matches there should be a sudden death round. No split decisions, no rematches, no draws just a sudden death round. Easy, effective and everyone can start thinking about new match ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mil1lion Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'm glad we wont see a rematch. A 2nd fight would go exactly the same way and Dana knows it. Machida will continue to evade Quinton and fight on the counter, and Quinton will just hunt him down for another 3 rounds. I cant see how a rematch would go any different tbh. I hope the winner of Bader/Jones fights Rampage, and the loser fights Machida. Either of those combinations would be good imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBenjamin Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 its Lyoto own fault. he should have attack rampage from round 1 not wait till he lost 2 rounds eh i think he won the 1st rd barely, but thats the problem with gay 10-9 scoring, score the whole fight (pride) nd it wont happen. first 2 r dead even then a super dominant 3rd, machida wins, forrest-tito 1, first rd dominant last 2 even, tito wins, 2nd fight, first 2 even 3rd is dominant, thats how it should be scored not this dumb boxing score system, it makes no sense when clinch work nd jj is being used cuz half the refs dont kno wat is even happening... plus idk how machida lands a milion leg kicks, rampage lands far less ppunches then he threw, both have 1 'dominant' clinch postion, nd rampage gets the rd also with the whole fight scoring it could be tricky with fights like rashad-silva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwiftSpear Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'm a huge Lyoto machida fan, and the result of this does piss me off. But speaking as an MMA fan above all, I'm ****ing SICK of rematches! It's bad enough that every damn title fight goes to a rematch these days. Stop this crap already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 said this before...UFC school for refs. like baseball. mma is everywhere.The UFC would make $$$ and train refs from the ground up. conflict of interest can be adressed pretty easily. It's not. The state commissions their refs, because there is no monopoly on MMA like there is in pro baseball. And no, the UFC cannot change it's rules. Unified rules are the only reason why the Sport gets Legalized. Kicks to downed opponents and such are too dangerous and can cause serious damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaquin Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Lyoto doesn't deserve a rematch. If he got the decision' date=' Rampage wouldn't deserve a rematch either. They both sucked, simple. Rampage's aggression got him the win, but neither of them really went for it. I don't see why Machida would get a rematch when all he did for 3 rounds was run around the octagon? I like him, but you gotta draw a line when he's not actually hitting Rampage with anything for almost the entire fight.[/quote'] What I am finding the most funny about this fight. It was very very similar to the Rampage vs Evans fight only with Rampage playing the part of Evans this time. Rampage was the guy pushing forward instead of trying to counter punch. Rampage initiating the clinch and basically laying Machida against the cage not doing anything. Rampage with the garbage take down with no follow up in the 2nd round. Rampage getting rocked in the 3rd. Rampage winning a boring decision. For all his trashing Evans after their fight, he went out and fought almost the exact same way to try and get a win he badly needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technique Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 This just wasn't a very exciting match-up to begin with. You could see it from a mile away and it's why I decided not to spend the money on this PPV. Hopefully Rampage gets a fight with an exciting fighter next. He's had two boring opponents in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz2990 Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 I agree, how can Dana say this fight does not deserve a rematch and then say that Sonnen would get an instant rematch when he was submitted. By the way I hate rematches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Firstly' date=' as a Machida fan, I acknowledge the result of UFC 123's main event. Lyoto's record is 16-2 not 17-1. What I wanna say is that I think Dana was a bit harsh in the post-fight presser by saying there would be no Rampage-Machida rematch. I'm not gonna cry like half of the other Machida fans and say "ARRGHHH LYOTO GOT ROBBED LIKE RUA" and crap like that. What I will say is that there are a lot of fans out there, Machida fans or not, that think Machida won just like there were loads of fans saying Rua won the first fight. So isn't it kinda unfair that Machida isn't gonna get a rematch simply because Dana thinks Rampage won?? Think about it...Rua lost to Lyoto via UNANIMOUS DECISION and he got a rematch (yeah the level of robbery in that fight was probably higher then in Rampage-Machida) whilst Machida lost to Rampage via SPLIT DECISION where literally the difference between who won and lost was like 4.5 punches and half a leg kick. The one big factor was that Dana thought Rua won so one can believe thats why the rematch happened. Now, Dana thought Rampage won so there will be no rematch even though fans want and would gladly welcome Rampage-Machida 2. You can say the same thing for the Edgar-Penn saga. Would Edgar have gotten a rematch if Penn won the first fight 48-47 on all 3 judges cards? Discuss...[/quote'] imo Lyoto was robbed but I don't see the need for a rematch. There was no title on the line so they might as well fight other opponents. A rematch will happen sooner or later provided they both stay with the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangoKush Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 why would there be a rematch?? he didnt do anything the first 2 rounds.. he always wants an immediate rematch every time he loses, i wonder who hes gona get next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 why would there be a rematch?? he didnt do anything the first 2 rounds.. he always wants an immediate rematch every time he loses' date=' i wonder who hes gona get next[/quote'] Actually it was Shogun who wanted a rematch with him when he lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ember Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Welcome to the UFC. Dana White seems to be fond of Rampage and doesn't seem to like Lyotos style either. The judging is horrendous because they don't know what they're looking at. If the judging was adjusted we wouldn't have this problem. Instead we have a million rematches a year. Then we have people buying into what people believe. Joe Rogans "Octagon Control" excuse for Rampage' date='and Dana Whites scoring of the fight. Goes to show that people will buy into anything that is said to them and don't think for themselves. Or have clouded judgement based on their favorite fighter winning. Let's put it this way. If Matt Hughes recovered and the ref let that fight go on. I would of got a little angry because it should have been stopped, and Matt Hughes is my favorite fighter.... If it was the majority of the world. They would say YES HE WON. Fair and square!(Just an example of people and their favorite fighter winning on weird circumstances) Another example. Falcoa's fight he was strafing a lot in the 3rd round. He is getting bashed for that 3rd round alone but looked stellar in his previous rounds. Rampage looked horrible throughout the whole 3 rounds. He doesn't get bashed.... Anyways. Machida should get a rematch. If everyone else can get a rematch when they shouldn't. Why can't Machida? Oh yeah because Dana White is a business man and doesn't really care what the fans want to see. He does what he does best and run his business. Nothing wrong with that but for the Machida fans. It's a kick in the nads. We want to see a rematch because it is obvious that the fight shouldn't have went to Rampage. If anything it should have been a draw.[/quote'] Best post I've read today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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