Fitch's most exciting fight will be the one he lost in

[guesswho]

Becuase he will be Knocked out. Funny how your most exciting fight will be the one you lost and not the streak of UD's you had. Fitch isnt big enough to manhandle Penn and he has zero standup. This is Matt Hughes all over again. Fitch is not a young guy either.

I havent seen a good Fitch fight since GSP chased him around the ring with superman punches and High Kicks for 5 rounds. This isnt going to be a decision.

[pakapaka]

Becuase he will be Knocked out. Funny how your most exciting fight will be the one you lost and not the streak of UD's you had. Fitch isnt big enough to manhandle Penn and he has zero standup. This is Matt Hughes all over again. Fitch is not a young guy either.

I havent seen a good Fitch fight since GSP chased him around the ring with superman punches and High Kicks for 5 rounds. This isnt going to be a decision.

 

amen

[dfwGSP]

He'd beat BJ. Unlike Hughes, Fitch will go for the takedown.

[darkthrone99]

Becuase he will be Knocked out. Funny how your most exciting fight will be the one you lost and not the streak of UD's you had. Fitch isnt big enough to manhandle Penn and he has zero standup. This is Matt Hughes all over again. Fitch is not a young guy either.

I havent seen a good Fitch fight since GSP chased him around the ring with superman punches and High Kicks for 5 rounds. This isnt going to be a decision.

 

He's not big enough? Fitch said he's gonna move up to MW and is considerably larger than Penn who would only be around 166lbs on fight night. Fitch I imagine is around 185-190. Penn is getting Fitched with ease in this fight. If Alves couldn't land any shots on him I really can't see a fat LW like Penn being able to. This is a guaranteed win for Fitch.

[guesswho]

He'd beat BJ. Unlike Hughes' date=' Fitch will go for the takedown.[/quote']

 

If Matt could have been in position for a takedown he would have done it. He is a wrestling machine with the merits to go with it. Bj demolished him before he could do anything.

 

Fitch will try for a takedown immediatly becuase he doesnt care for taking strikes flush to his face to get a takedown. So he will be hit by BJ and he will fall down and not get back up. The wrestling shoot has limitations you know, you cant just shoot and get a takedown if your out of position. Bj charged Hughes and cut his room off. Fitch will be suffocated like he was against GSP who also did the same thing by cutting Fitch's air space on the ring. Fitch became a punching bag after that.Also, if you think BJ Penn is easy to takedown or someone you want to grapple with than you are dead wrong.

[darkthrone99]

If Matt could have been in position for a takedown he would have done it. He is a wrestling machine with the merits to go with it. Bj demolished him before he could do anything.

 

Fitch will try for a takedown immediatly becuase he doesnt care for taking strikes flush to his face to get a takedown. So he will be hit by BJ and he will fall down and not get back up. The wrestling shoot has limitations you know' date=' you cant just shoot and get a takedown if your out of position. Bj charged Hughes and cut his room off. Fitch will be suffocated like he was against GSP who also did the same thing by cutting Fitch's air space on the ring. Fitch became a punching bag after that.Also, if you think BJ Penn is easy to takedown or someone you want to grapple with than you are dead wrong.[/quote']

 

Are you honestly saying BJ is a more dangerous fighter than Thiago Alves, a guy who walks around at 200lbs?

[dfwGSP]

If Matt could have been in position for a takedown he would have done it. He is a wrestling machine with the merits to go with it. Bj demolished him before he could do anything.

 

Fitch will try for a takedown immediatly becuase he doesnt care for taking strikes flush to his face to get a takedown. So he will be hit by BJ and he will fall down and not get back up. The wrestling shoot has limitations you know' date=' you cant just shoot and get a takedown if your out of position. Bj charged Hughes and cut his room off. Fitch will be suffocated like he was against GSP who also did the same thing by cutting Fitch's air space on the ring. Fitch became a punching bag after that.Also, if you think BJ Penn is easy to takedown or someone you want to grapple with than you are dead wrong.[/quote']

 

Fitch will grapple with anyone, that's what he does. BJ is easy to break down. If he's losing, than the later the fight goes, the less chance he has of winning. He just gives up. Fitch will take him down and after a while he'll just give up.

[Juzie]

He'd beat BJ. Unlike Hughes' date=' Fitch will go for the takedown.[/quote']

So I guess you are saying Fitch is a better wrestler than GSP if he can simply just go for the takedown like that and be successful against BJ.

[dfwGSP]

So I guess you are saying Fitch is a better wrestler than GSP if he can simply just go for the takedown like that and be successful against BJ.

 

Other than GSP, who has avoided getting taken down by Fitch?

[ToiletSeat]

Are you honestly saying BJ is a more dangerous fighter than Thiago Alves' date=' a guy who walks around at 200lbs?[/quote']

 

Alves is mainly only dangerous on the feet or posturing up, Penn is dangerous pretty much everywhere.

[darkthrone99]

Alves is mainly only dangerous on the feet or posturing up' date=' Penn is dangerous pretty much everywhere.[/quote']

 

Come on now, BJ got taken down by Edgar so how can people not think he's gonna get taken down by Fitch who's gonna come into the fight over 190lbs when Edgar fights at 158? Crazy logic.

[guesswho]

Lol the Bj saga continues. Just 2 days ago people were saying Matt was going to wrestle him down and manhandle the Prodigy. He wins and now we have Fitch who is also going to wrestle him down and manhandle him.

 

Well i guess ill call it again like i did the Hughes fight, this isnt going past round 1.

[james308]

He's not big enough? Fitch said he's gonna move up to MW and is considerably larger than Penn who would only be around 166lbs on fight night. Fitch I imagine is around 185-190. Penn is getting Fitched with ease in this fight. If Alves couldn't land any shots on him I really can't see a fat LW like Penn being able to. This is a guaranteed win for Fitch.

 

Plus 1. Penn doesn't deserve Fitch

[fastriding]

Come on now' date=' BJ got taken down by Edgar so how can people not think he's gonna get taken down by Fitch who's gonna come into the fight over 190lbs when Edgar fights at 158? Crazy logic.[/quote']

 

Edgar won those take downs based on speed not strength. Most fighter that try to muscle BJ Penn are much less successful and getting the take down. I like the idea of Fitch vs. Penn. That'll be a sweet fight.

[Rampage90]

i can't believe the crap coming out of people's mouths. look bj had a good fight last night but how can anyone say the same is gonna happen to fitch. fitch is gonna get ko'd in 1? hell no. fitch has such a good chin and if gsp can pound him like that and not ko him, penn sure as hell won't. and we don't even know if that was the old bj. he caught matt with a big hook sure, but had it gone longer would we have seen the bj that fought edgar? who knows. so bj fans, get off your high horse, we will see which bj shows up but if you've watched both fighters last couple fights, there's no way bj wins. fitch by UD as usual

[james308]

i can't believe the crap coming out of people's mouths. look bj had a good fight last night but how can anyone say the same is gonna happen to fitch. fitch is gonna get ko'd in 1? hell no. fitch has such a good chin and if gsp can pound him like that and not ko him' date=' penn sure as hell won't. and we don't even know if that was the old bj. he caught matt with a big hook sure, but had it gone longer would we have seen the bj that fought edgar? who knows. so bj fans, get off your high horse, we will see which bj shows up but if you've watched both fighters last couple fights, there's no way bj wins. fitch by UD as usual[/quote']

 

Exactly

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

i can't believe the crap coming out of people's mouths. look bj had a good fight last night but how can anyone say the same is gonna happen to fitch. fitch is gonna get ko'd in 1? hell no. fitch has such a good chin and if gsp can pound him like that and not ko him' date=' penn sure as hell won't. and we don't even know if that was the old bj. he caught matt with a big hook sure, but had it gone longer would we have seen the bj that fought edgar? who knows. so bj fans, get off your high horse, we will see which bj shows up but if you've watched both fighters last couple fights, there's no way bj wins. fitch by UD as usual[/quote']

 

Please tell me your not saying GSP's striking is better than BJ Penn's striking.

 

The first time GSP and BJ Penn fought and they striked most of the time GSP was a bloody mess, BJ has some of the best boxing in the game. Give him some respect, he beats Matt Hughes a legend who is better than Fitch and you say oh he is not going to do that to Fitch? Seriously? Also you calling Fitch chin good can GSP can pound on it? Let BJ Penn pound on it for three pounds and if Fitch survives that then he will be considered to have a good chin. No bro that was the old BJ Penn, he had that look in his eye like he was ready to fight, he did not really have that in either Edgar fight. If you were intelligent you would realize that this is mma and you can not base your pick on how the fighter's last couple of fights were. Example Matt Hughes was destroying people in his last couple fights and BJ lost to Edgar twice in a row, then comes in and knocks Hughes out in 21 seconds. There is no way Fitch does his lay n pray to a UD. If Fitch is able to get a UD he deserved it because BJ Penn has great TDD and Fitch is going to get cracked by BJ Penn a bunch and going to put in submissions as well.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

Plus 1. Penn doesn't deserve Fitch

 

Penn doesnt deserve Fitch? Are you crazy lol?

 

Fitch deserves BJ Penn so someone can stop that lay and pray technique and put a beating on him worse than GSP did. Dana is prolly sick of seeing Fitch lay his way to a UD so thats why he set him up against BJ Penn. If Fitch can beat a motivated and the old BJ Penn than he would deserve serious respect no matter what technique he used. Because we all know he is going to get cracked by BJ Penn and if he takes him down he is going to get put in crazy submissions.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

Lol the Bj saga continues. Just 2 days ago people were saying Matt was going to wrestle him down and manhandle the Prodigy. He wins and now we have Fitch who is also going to wrestle him down and manhandle him.

 

Well i guess ill call it again like i did the Hughes fight' date=' this isnt going past round 1.[/quote']

 

+ 1 I like the way you think

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

Come on now' date=' BJ got taken down by Edgar so how can people not think he's gonna get taken down by Fitch who's gonna come into the fight over 190lbs when Edgar fights at 158? Crazy logic.[/quote']

 

They did not say he was not going to get taken down but he has way better TDD than Alves and he is way more dangerous on the ground and on his back than Alves is.

 

They just were saying he is not going to get an easy UD, if he gets one, he will have to seriously earn it against BJ Penn. If the old BJ Penn shows up Fitch is going to get KO, TKO, or submitted by Penn.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

He'd beat BJ. Unlike Hughes' date=' Fitch will go for the takedown.[/quote']

 

Its kinda hard to go for a takedown when your going to sleep

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

He's not big enough? Fitch said he's gonna move up to MW and is considerably larger than Penn who would only be around 166lbs on fight night. Fitch I imagine is around 185-190. Penn is getting Fitched with ease in this fight. If Alves couldn't land any shots on him I really can't see a fat LW like Penn being able to. This is a guaranteed win for Fitch.

 

Really? You really think so? shakes head in disgust. Maybe people should have to take that test that dude talked about in order to post on these forums

 

BJ Penn is better at striking then Alves, has better TDD and is way more dangerous off his back than Alves is. If BJ gets fitched its not going be easy for Fitch, he is going to have to earn it by getting cracked by BJ and stuck in submissions by Penn.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

Are you honestly saying BJ is a more dangerous fighter than Thiago Alves' date=' a guy who walks around at 200lbs?[/quote']

 

Is this the day of the forum noobs or something? Am I missing something?

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

Alves is mainly only dangerous on the feet or posturing up' date=' Penn is dangerous pretty much everywhere.[/quote']

 

Thank you.

[guesswho]

Really? You really think so? shakes head in disgust. Maybe people should have to take that test that dude talked about in order to post on these forums

 

BJ Penn is better at striking then Alves' date=' has better TDD and is way more dangerous off his back than Alves is. If BJ gets fitched its not going be easy for Fitch, he is going to have to earn it by getting cracked by BJ and stuck in submissions by Penn.[/quote']

 

i agree.

 

People think that a lightning fast GSP and Frankie taking down BJ is the final verdict of BJ's defense. Fitch is going to get a rude awaking when he realizes that slow wrestlers get hurt quickly by BJ.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

Fitch will grapple with anyone' date=' that's what he does. BJ is easy to break down. If he's losing, than the later the fight goes, the less chance he has of winning. He just gives up. Fitch will take him down and after a while he'll just give up.[/quote']

 

He gives up, really? He has two bad fights against Edgar and now he gives up?

 

please shut up. BJ Penn is a legend and destroyed Matt Hughes last night, I have never seen this so called "quitting" you referred to. In the Edgar fight he could find Edgar so he got frustrated, who wouldnt? Against GSP he was constantly looking for submissions but all GSP wanted to do was lay on him so that he didnt get bloodied up bad like the first fight.

Not saying I blame GSP for employing a good strategy but I am just saying I do not see this quitting thing your talking about. GSP takedowns >>> Fitch Takedowns

 

Penn TDD > Alves TDD

[Rampage90]

Please tell me your not saying GSP's striking is better than BJ Penn's striking.

 

The first time GSP and BJ Penn fought and they striked most of the time GSP was a bloody mess' date=' BJ has some of the best boxing in the game. Give him some respect, he beats Matt Hughes a legend who is better than Fitch and you say oh he is not going to do that to Fitch? Seriously? Also you calling Fitch chin good can GSP can pound on it? Let BJ Penn pound on it for three pounds and if Fitch survives that then he will be considered to have a good chin. No bro that was the old BJ Penn, he had that look in his eye like he was ready to fight, he did not really have that in either Edgar fight. If you were intelligent you would realize that this is mma and you can not base your pick on how the fighter's last couple of fights were. Example Matt Hughes was destroying people in his last couple fights and BJ lost to Edgar twice in a row, then comes in and knocks Hughes out in 21 seconds. There is no way Fitch does his lay n pray to a UD. If Fitch is able to get a UD he deserved it because BJ Penn has great TDD and Fitch is going to get cracked by BJ Penn a bunch and going to put in submissions as well.[/quote']

 

if i was intelligent? ok dude u obviously sound stupid i forgot who is 2-0 on bj? thats right gsp. gsp has great striking and pounded the hell out of fitch and couldn't put him away. sorry bj does not hit any harder than gsp and he isnt gonna catch fitch like that. there is a reason fitch has only lost one time in the ufc.i don't wanna hear this crap that hughes is better than fitch. yes hughes is a legend, and the hughes that fought bj in their first and second fight, probably better, but that was then and this is now. you are sitting here telling me this is the old bj. guess what guy, you bj fans said that going into both edgar fights until he lost, then "o that wasn't old bj" instead of admitting he just got outclassed in both fights and you could tell he mentally broke especially in the second fight. like i told you before how can u say the old bj is back after 20 seconds of fighting? you can't. and again for you to spew that bj is gonna kill fitch and submit him etc, well i forgot, who else has done that in the ufc? ummm.....nobody

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

i agree.

 

People think that a lightning fast GSP and Frankie taking down BJ is the final verdict of BJ's defense. Fitch is going to get a rude awaking when he realizes that slow wrestlers get hurt quickly by BJ.

 

Thank you. Fitch is going to get bloodied up and constantly put in submissions if he gets BJ on his back. It will definitely not be an easy fight for Fitch.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

if i was intelligent? ok dude u obviously sound stupid i forgot who is 2-0 on bj? thats right gsp. gsp has great striking and pounded the hell out of fitch and couldn't put him away. sorry bj does not hit any harder than gsp and he isnt gonna catch fitch like that. there is a reason fitch has only lost one time in the ufc.i don't wanna hear this crap that hughes is better than fitch. yes hughes is a legend' date=' and the hughes that fought bj in their first and second fight, probably better, but that was then and this is now. you are sitting here telling me this is the old bj. guess what guy, you bj fans said that going into both edgar fights until he lost, then "o that wasn't old bj" instead of admitting he just got outclassed in both fights and you could tell he mentally broke especially in the second fight. like i told you before how can u say the old bj is back after 20 seconds of fighting? you can't. and again for you to spew that bj is gonna kill fitch and submit him etc, well i forgot, who else has done that in the ufc? ummm.....nobody[/quote']

 

shakes head in disgust, your just too dumb to argue with.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

Other than GSP' date=' who has avoided getting taken down by Fitch?[/quote']

 

True but BJ Penn has better TDD than anyone Fitch has fought with the exception of GSP.

[Rampage90]

shakes head in disgust' date=' your just too dumb to argue with.[/quote']

 

im dumb? y because you have no valid points to come back with? god get off the forums if you cant come up with intelligent arguments, just because you are too blinded by your love of bj and can't look at anything logically. hey maybe bj wins. great. but if he beats fitch convincingly i will believe old bj is back. until then, fitch is still the #2 WW in the world, and 1 guy has beat him in the ufc, and that isn't going to change for the forseeable future. get over it

[dfwGSP]

He gives up' date=' really? He has two bad fights against Edgar and now he gives up?

 

please shut up. BJ Penn is a legend and destroyed Matt Hughes last night, I have never seen this so called "quitting" you referred to. In the Edgar fight he could find Edgar so he got frustrated, who wouldnt? Against GSP he was constantly looking for submissions but all GSP wanted to do was lay on him so that he didnt get bloodied up bad like the first fight.

Not saying I blame GSP for employing a good strategy but I am just saying I do not see this quitting thing your talking about. GSP takedowns >>> Fitch Takedowns

 

Penn TDD > Alves TDD[/quote']

 

Against Hughes in the second fight Hughes wore him down and he got TKO'd. Against GSP he just layed there and did nothing, he didn't attempt anything. Against Edgar both fights he faded as the fight went on. If you can come out strong in the first round, BJ isn't that dangerous.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

if i was intelligent? ok dude u obviously sound stupid i forgot who is 2-0 on bj? thats right gsp. gsp has great striking and pounded the hell out of fitch and couldn't put him away. sorry bj does not hit any harder than gsp and he isnt gonna catch fitch like that. there is a reason fitch has only lost one time in the ufc.i don't wanna hear this crap that hughes is better than fitch. yes hughes is a legend' date=' and the hughes that fought bj in their first and second fight, probably better, but that was then and this is now. you are sitting here telling me this is the old bj. guess what guy, you bj fans said that going into both edgar fights until he lost, then "o that wasn't old bj" instead of admitting he just got outclassed in both fights and you could tell he mentally broke especially in the second fight. like i told you before how can u say the old bj is back after 20 seconds of fighting? you can't. and again for you to spew that bj is gonna kill fitch and submit him etc, well i forgot, who else has done that in the ufc? ummm.....nobody[/quote']

 

but here goes nothing...that first when GSP stood with Penn he got bloodied up bad and that was a razor close decision that could have gone to either fighter. The second time I will give you that GSP, GSP'd Penn, he was smart he layed on BJ for three rounds so he would not get decimated in the stand up again. I just finished saying he could not find Edgar and he has problems with fast fighters but Fitch is not a fast fighter or wrestling.

BJ Penn will test that chin and will test that submission defense of Fitch. Your insane if you dont think Hughes is better than Fitch. If you honestly think BJ does not hit harder than GSP watch their first fight and look at each of their faces after the fight GSP's was bloodied up and Penn barely had a scratch. Honestly BJ hits harder than GSP if you cant realize that your crazy. Yeah GSP destroyed Fitch on the feet and BJ's striking is better than GSPs and BJ Penn has great TDD better than anyone Fitch has ever fought with the exception of GSP. Also penn has better submission than anyone Fitch has fought so..yeah Fitch is going have to earn his UD if he does get one because he is going get cracked by Penn and put in a bunch of submissions.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

im dumb? y because you have no valid points to come back with? god get off the forums if you cant come up with intelligent arguments' date=' just because you are too blinded by your love of bj and can't look at anything logically. hey maybe bj wins. great. but if he beats fitch convincingly i will believe old bj is back. until then, fitch is still the #2 WW in the world, and 1 guy has beat him in the ufc, and that isn't going to change for the forseeable future. get over it[/quote']

 

If you would have waited like ten more seconds you would see I did reply with valid points moron. BJ Penn is he shows up like he did tonight he is winning by TKO or submission.

I can come up with intelligent arguements, you keep saying the same ridiculous stuff.

You sound like you just started watching UFC, so maybe you should get off the forums there genius.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

Against Hughes in the second fight Hughes wore him down and he got TKO'd. Against GSP he just layed there and did nothing' date=' he didn't attempt anything. Against Edgar both fights he faded as the fight went on. If you can come out strong in the first round, BJ isn't that dangerous.[/quote']

 

You do have some valid points but here is the thing thats not 100% true.

 

Not everyone who comes out strong has beaten BJ Penn.

 

There is a reason why he is a legend and I do not believe he gave up in either fight

against a hall of famer and a future hall of famer.

 

I mean once GSP takes people down there is really nothing than can do haha.

 

Also Hughes get him in a crucifix it is extremely difficult to get out of.

 

He did not give up in either of those fights, he just got beat by the other guy.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

im dumb? y because you have no valid points to come back with? god get off the forums if you cant come up with intelligent arguments' date=' just because you are too blinded by your love of bj and can't look at anything logically. hey maybe bj wins. great. but if he beats fitch convincingly i will believe old bj is back. until then, fitch is still the #2 WW in the world, and 1 guy has beat him in the ufc, and that isn't going to change for the forseeable future. get over it[/quote']

 

Use common sense BJ is not my favorite fighter, Tito Ortiz is. Do I have respect for BJ, yes.

Do I have to say something when people on these forums say ridiculous things about any fighter, uh yes.

[Rampage90]

but here goes nothing...that first when GSP stood with Penn he got bloodied up bad and that was a razor close decision that could have gone to either fighter. The second time I will give you that GSP' date=' GSP'd Penn, he was smart he layed on BJ for three rounds so he would not get decimated in the stand up again. I just finished saying he could not find Edgar and he has problems with fast fighters but Fitch is not a fast fighter or wrestling.

BJ Penn will test that chin and will test that submission defense of Fitch. Your insane if you dont think Hughes is better than Fitch. If you honestly think BJ does not hit harder than GSP watch their first fight and look at each of their faces after the fight GSP's was bloodied up and Penn barely had a scratch. Honestly BJ hits harder than GSP if you cant realize that your crazy. Yeah GSP destroyed Fitch on the feet and BJ's striking is better than GSPs and BJ Penn has great TDD better than anyone Fitch has ever fought with the exception of GSP. Also penn has better submission than anyone Fitch has fought so..yeah Fitch is going have to earn his UD if he does get one because he is going get cracked by Penn and put in a bunch of submissions.[/quote']

 

gsp's face looked that way because bj connected with cleaner shots not because he hits harder. bj also connected with cleaner shot in penn edgar 1, but bj's face looked worse off so that point is invalid. and yes gsp layed on bj because it was the smart thing to do and fitch know that and there's no way fitch doesnt get bj down. everybody else has tried to stop him and nobody has. plus fitch is a black belt in jiu jitsu, so i highly doubt with his high level of wrestling and that, he's not going to put himself in a position to get subbed.and yes i am sticking to saying that now, fitch is the better fighter than hughes and he has been for the past 2 years or so. there is a reason that fitch has fought the top guys in the division in that time and matt hasn't. like i said matt's career speaks for itself but fitch is the better fight NOW.

and yes like you said fitch has to earn the UD and it isn't going to be an easy fight. but isnt that the same for every fighter that steps in the cage?

[Rampage90]

Use common sense BJ is not my favorite fighter' date=' Tito Ortiz is. Do I have respect for BJ, yes.

Do I have to say something when people on these forums say ridiculous things about any fighter, uh yes.[/quote']

 

what is ridiculous that i said? is it ridiculous because my opinion doesnt match what urs is? apparently, but if your word is god then you really need to leave cuz it makes you sound stupid

[dfwGSP]

You do have some valid points but here is the thing thats not 100% true.

 

Not everyone who comes out strong has beaten BJ Penn.

 

There is a reason why he is a legend and I do not believe he gave up in either fight

against a hall of famer and a future hall of famer.

 

I mean once GSP takes people down there is really nothing than can do haha.

 

Also Hughes get him in a crucifix it is extremely difficult to get out of.

 

He did not give up in either of those fights' date=' he just got beat by the other guy.[/quote']

 

Well, imo he gives up. It seems that way to me. And I think if Fitch takes him down, and I I think he can, he will grind out a UD.

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

im dumb? y because you have no valid points to come back with? god get off the forums if you cant come up with intelligent arguments' date=' just because you are too blinded by your love of bj and can't look at anything logically. hey maybe bj wins. great. but if he beats fitch convincingly i will believe old bj is back. until then, fitch is still the #2 WW in the world, and 1 guy has beat him in the ufc, and that isn't going to change for the forseeable future. get over it[/quote']

 

Let me correct that for you, when BJ Penn wins. Oh I forgot Fitch is getting the next title shot, wait thats Jake Shields so how can Fitch be the number two WW?

[LESNAR16FTW]

Are you honestly saying BJ is a more dangerous fighter than Thiago Alves' date=' a guy who walks around at 200lbs?[/quote']

 

your a clown thiago cant make weight at welterweight he always comes in gassed out of his mind bj would wreck thiago penn's stand up is so crisp he puts on boxing clinics against guys who are fairly good strikers penn vs gsp 3 make it happen WAR PENN

[TeamPunishmentMVP]

Well' date=' imo he gives up. It seems that way to me. And I think if Fitch takes him down, and I I think he can, he will grind out a UD.[/quote']

 

To everyone there own opinion then, We will see when they fight.

[Rampage90]

If you would have waited like ten more seconds you would see I did reply with valid points moron. BJ Penn is he shows up like he did tonight he is winning by TKO or submission.

I can come up with intelligent arguements' date=' you keep saying the same ridiculous stuff.

You sound like you just started watching UFC, so maybe you should get off the forums there genius.[/quote']

 

yea if bj shows up. thats it right there. dana white said it best bj penn should be undefeated. he has arguably the most skill of any fighter. his mentallity is what screws him over. he knows he has more skills than anybody else and thinks that is enough but when he trains, he takes it easy instead of pushing himself. he acts bored a lot.

and yea k i just started watching ufc, well sir i've been watching that and mma in general since ufc 1, and ive compete in mma and have been training for years. so yea i know a thing or two

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gsp's face looked that way because bj connected with cleaner shots not because he hits harder. bj also connected with cleaner shot in penn edgar 1' date=' but bj's face looked worse off so that point is invalid. and yes gsp layed on bj because it was the smart thing to do and fitch know that and there's no way fitch doesnt get bj down. everybody else has tried to stop him and nobody has. plus fitch is a black belt in jiu jitsu, so i highly doubt with his high level of wrestling and that, he's not going to put himself in a position to get subbed.and yes i am sticking to saying that now, fitch is the better fighter than hughes and he has been for the past 2 years or so. there is a reason that fitch has fought the top guys in the division in that time and matt hasn't. like i said matt's career speaks for itself but fitch is the better fight NOW.

and yes like you said fitch has to earn the UD and it isn't going to be an easy fight. but isnt that the same for every fighter that steps in the cage?[/quote']

 

My point is not invalid, BJ Penn did not hit Edgar nearly as much as he did to GSP, if he would have done what he did the GSP in fight 1 to Edgar, Edgar's face would have looked like a bloody mess and we would still have BJ as the lightweight champion.

I never said Fitch can get him to the ground, I said BJ Penn is dangerous off of his back, way more dangerous than any opponent Fitch has fought yet. Yeah but someone was saying Fitch was going to get an easy UD and I was saying no way its going to be easy.

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Other than GSP' date=' who has avoided getting taken down by Fitch?[/quote']

 

Other then GSP who has taken down BJ?

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Other then GSP who has taken down BJ?

 

Edgar and Hughes.

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what is ridiculous that i said? is it ridiculous because my opinion doesnt match what urs is? apparently' date=' but if your word is god then you really need to leave cuz it makes you sound stupid[/quote']

 

No, I thought you were the one who said it would a easy fight for Fitch. Were you?

 

If not than you were not the one being ridiculous.

 

To everyone their own opinion, I think BJ Penn hits harder than GSP and have facts to back it up. You dont for whatever reason.

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Let me correct that for you' date=' when BJ Penn wins. Oh I forgot Fitch is getting the next title shot, wait thats Jake Shields so how can Fitch be the number two WW?[/quote']

 

ok that proves how dumb you are. because a guy is getting an undeserved title shot does not make him the number 2 ww in the world. kos is what like 5th right now? money makes title shots, what sells and let's be honest gsp fitch isn't screaming money maker. shields was promised one when he came to the UFC but rankings are based on the opponents you have beaten and the way you beat them and fitch dominated all his opponents and he has lost 1 time to gsp in the ufc. so yes he is the number 2 ww in the world and if you don't see that you are an idiot

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Edgar and Hughes.

 

True but that was when Hughes was in his prime and Frankie just has BJ's number.

 

BJ has a problem with Edgar fast style, but Fitch is a slow wrestler and we saw last night what happens to slow fighters against Penn

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True but that was when Hughes was in his prime and Frankie just has BJ's number.

 

BJ has a problem with Edgar fast style' date=' but Fitch is a slow wrestler and we saw last night what happens to slow fighters against Penn [/quote']

 

He is slow, but his takedowns are methodical. I'm not saying it's a gaurantee, but in my mind right now Fitch is the best WW not named GSP. I think Penn has to prove himself, no the other way around. In my mind anyway.