Furiousmat Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I said someone on this forum say that if BJ won the fight against Hughes, people would go nuts and say "The true BJ is back! this BJ would destroy edgar! etc." Now let's see what happened.. BJ won the fight, everyone is believing the hype, (as planned) and even better, BJ gets a fight against Fitch, which Dana claims it will put the winner "in the mix" for contention. I must admit that I was definitly surprised by how great BJ looked yesterday. After the first punch he looked too fast for Hughes. BJ came in great shape, and that's good. We know that if BJ comes in shape, he can be a great fighter, but we never know if he's gonna come looking like a trained fighter or like the fat kid on the block. Now as much as BJ did a great job don't you guys think that a fight to be put in the mix of WW title contention is a bit prematurate? BJ won 1 fight, coming off 2 losses. Who did he win this fight against. Yes it was Matt Hughes, but a Matt Hughes that isn't fighting for competition anymore. It's a Matt Hughes who still sells fights but who had been lately competing more for fun than from an ambition to ever reach the title again. His last 3 wins were Serra, Renzo Gracie and Almaida. I'm not trying to take anything away from Hughes but just to show that although he has been a force in the WW division in the past, Hughes isn't the top of the ladder anymore and his appearant "come back" doesn't really mean as much as some people would think... - Serra : 3 fights since GSP. 1 win, 2 losses. - Renzo Gracie : His last fight was 3 years before he fought hughes and it was against Frank Shamrock, who he beat by DQ... - Almaida : Decent fighter, good late performances, but not top competition. Yet the most significant win for Hughes recently.. Now. BJ comes in and puts Hughes away decisively.. But after coming off 2 losses. So BJ's last win is decisive but against a fighter who is way past his prime but has a big name, coming off 2 losses against an undersized undedog... So congrats Penn, but I'm not buying the hype. If he does put Fitch away as decisively I'll have to believe. But I think it's hilarious how so many people just jump on the train so quickly. 1 win coming off 2 losses and there you go, BJ'S BACK. If anyone else had done that to Hughes yesterday, coming from 2 losses, he would never have been put back in the contention mix as quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I don;t think anybody seriously think Hughes is the fighter he used to be. But that doesn't mean he's a scrub. Nobody but a top level fighter is going to beat Hughes. BJ is a top level fighter and anyone saying differently does not understand fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coreyflipp Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I agree with not buying into the hype, that's basically what he was trying to do with Edgar except Edgar was way to fast for him and demoralized him, so it's hard to say if it's the Penn of old or if he just found an opponent that played well into his strengths. I don't really agree with discrediting Hughes's last three oponents just because there name isn't Fitch, Pierre, or Alves. A win over Hughes is still pretty big, and if he beats Fitch that will be a really big statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillenniumBoy Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Wow before the fight Hughes was going to "smash" BJ, now after the fight, Hughes is "old and washed up" and "Penn's win means nothing". Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiousmat Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I don;t think anybody seriously think Hughes is the fighter he used to be. But that doesn't mean he's a scrub. Nobody but a top level fighter is going to beat Hughes. BJ is a top level fighter and anyone saying differently does not understand fighting. BJ is a top fighter but we all know what his problem is : discipline and work ethic. To me, Penn hasn't proved that he's ready to stop acting like a spoiled child and start acting like a pro athlete. He's a very gifted fighter but this win over Hughes might very well be all he needed. BJ works for himself not for a title or for money. He fights to prove himself. If he now thinks he's the best he's gonna sit back and start losing again. If he stays motivated, he will probly line up the wins... but can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiousmat Posted November 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Wow before the fight Hughes was going to "smash" BJ' date=' now after the fight, Hughes is "old and washed up" and "Penn's win means nothing". Go figure.[/quote'] not saying it means nothing. Just saying that the "BJ's back!" statements are a bit prematured. And I never said Hughes would run through Penn. Penn dominated round 1 or their previous fight and then gassed and got owned. I always said that Penn winning or not would depend on if he got in shape or not.. Well anyways it seems I was wrong cuz he didn't really need cardio for this one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous505 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 im impressed on BJ he looked good he put some muscle on he weighed 169 like i said as long as BJ is motivated and in shape he will destroy anyone, but i dont think he should fight at WW if he fights jon fitch he might get taken down but we will see, as long as he doesnt go back to his home town camp i think he will do really good, cant wait to see him fight again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 well well well.... Hughes gets Ko'd and now he isnt that good. What a surprise. Let me tell you what people were saying before Bj knocked him out; "Matt Hughes 3 win streak, Career rejuvinated, omg improved standup, hes back!" w/e, not even worth the effort to make the point anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964comet Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 You could tell it wasn't the same BJ that fought Edgar as he walked to the cage and while he was in the cage waiting for Hughes. Why, hell if I know, but there has always been two Penn's. One that shows up ready to take someone's head off and one that just shows up to show up. Kind of annoying, but you could tell the difference before the fight even started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 well well well.... Hughes gets Ko'd and now he isnt that good. What a surprise. Let me tell you what people were saying before Bj knocked him out; "Matt Hughes 3 win streak' date=' Career rejuvinated, omg improved standup, hes back!" w/e, not even worth the effort to make the point anymore.[/quote'] nobody has really said Hughes is not that great i admit Hughes got caught last night but BJ is far from being back 20 secs is not enough time to see if he is back or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarDawg Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Fitch will grind out a decision against Penn and everybody will snap into reality and realize Penn isn't a top 5 WW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 BJ is not 'back' because he was never 'gone' He finally fought a better LW fighter... thats it. Beating Hughes the way he did is big, bottom line, Hughes is a top WW, and was on a 3 fight streak. Beating Fitch would be monumental, if he will be able to is hard to say, fitch is a lot bigger, stronger and has that grinder style, but if anyone can pull it off its BJ Penn, (and GSP lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswho Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 nobody has really said Hughes is not that great i admit Hughes got caught last night but BJ is far from being back 20 secs is not enough time to see if he is back or not uh...BJ never left. Same BJ in the Frankie fight is the one you saw saturday night. Styles make fights blah blah blah. No man has ever Knocked out Matt Hughes in 20 seconds. You talk like it was a lucky punch. Ill tell you what it was- He cut off Matt Hughes space and did what Bj has always done- he threw a small straight to make Hughes back up and then he plowed him with his lead hook and the real straight. Its all boxing and footing and combinations and that is what Bj does so ye, Bj is one of the best because of last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 uh...BJ never left. Same BJ in the Frankie fight is the one you saw saturday night. Styles make fights blah blah blah. No man has ever Knocked out Matt Hughes in 20 seconds. You talk like it was a lucky punch. Ill tell you what it was- He cut off Matt Hughes space and did what Bj has always done- he threw a small straight to make Hughes back up and then he plowed him with his lead hook and the real straight. Its all boxing and footing and combinations and that is what Bj does so ye' date=' Bj is one of the best because of last night.[/quote'] +1 This is simple, minus the biased haters who will discredit Matt, and the blind nutthuggers that will say BJ is next WW champ and will crush Fitch, BJ is still one of the best, always has been, UFC "fans" are just sooo incredibly fast to say a fighter sucks if they lose, its like they are all women on their periods having mood swings and screaming their opinion as to why their fighter dosnt treat them like he used to anymore. Its sickening. Fitch willnot be an easy fight for BJ, and I'm a huge BJ Penn fan.... Its gonna be a great fight tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 uh...BJ never left. Same BJ in the Frankie fight is the one you saw saturday night. Styles make fights blah blah blah. No man has ever Knocked out Matt Hughes in 20 seconds. You talk like it was a lucky punch. Ill tell you what it was- He cut off Matt Hughes space and did what Bj has always done- he threw a small straight to make Hughes back up and then he plowed him with his lead hook and the real straight. Its all boxing and footing and combinations and that is what Bj does so ye' date=' Bj is one of the best because of last night.[/quote'] i dont think it was a lucky punch i think it was lucky to be finished in the first 30 seconds lol BJ is one of the best fighters in the world one of the best well rounded guys they are i am not disputing this i am pretty much disputing everybody buying into the hype and saying he is back! but how can anybody really say he is back we need to see him face Fitch which i think is next not sure if its official yet he needs to fight that style again because it will be tough for him. Bj gets very easily frustrated we saw it in the Edgar fight if he does not think he is winning the fight he folds and folds bad! We all seen the look in his eyes after Edgar took him down the look of fear and frustration there he gave up the fight as far as i seen it! He lost all will to continue fighting like he usually does. This is why the fitch fight needs to happen as we all know BJs downfalls has been his Mental state along with his conditioning! If Fitch gets his way and gets BJ down i would not be suprised to see the same face we saw in the Edgar fight and him losing the will to fight! Bj needs to know he is winning if not he sorta folds But if Fitch gets his way and BJ does not fold and actually fights through when the outcome is looking bleak then i will buy into this current hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalClegg Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 i dont think it was a lucky punch i think it was lucky to be finished in the first 30 seconds lol BJ is one of the best fighters in the world one of the best well rounded guys they are i am not disputing this i am pretty much disputing everybody buying into the hype and saying he is back! but how can anybody really say he is back we need to see him face Fitch which i think is next not sure if its official yet he needs to fight that style again because it will be tough for him. Bj gets very easily frustrated we saw it in the Edgar fight if he does not think he is winning the fight he folds and folds bad! We all seen the look in his eyes after Edgar took him down the look of fear and frustration there he gave up the fight as far as i seen it! He lost all will to continue fighting like he usually does. This is why the fitch fight needs to happen as we all know BJs downfalls has been his Mental state along with his conditioning! If Fitch gets his way and gets BJ down i would not be suprised to see the same face we saw in the Edgar fight and him losing the will to fight! Bj needs to know he is winning if not he sorta folds But if Fitch gets his way and BJ does not fold and actually fights through when the outcome is looking bleak then i will buy into this current hype. I knew Hughes was about to end up on the canvas as soon as he ate a lead hook 3 seconds into the fight. 20 seconds was a little surprising though I thought Matt was tough enough to take a beating for a couple rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichigo Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I knew Hughes was about to end up on the canvas as soon as he ate a lead hook 3 seconds into the fight. 20 seconds was a little surprising though I thought Matt was tough enough to take a beating for a couple rounds. yeah i know i was a little dissapointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 LnP vs fighting Which style will prevail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest [Deleted User] Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I said someone on this forum say that if BJ won the fight against Hughes' date=' people would go nuts and say "The true BJ is back! this BJ would destroy edgar! etc." Now let's see what happened.. BJ won the fight, everyone is believing the hype, (as planned) and even better, BJ gets a fight against Fitch, which Dana claims it will put the winner "in the mix" for contention. I must admit that I was definitly surprised by how great BJ looked yesterday. After the first punch he looked too fast for Hughes. BJ came in great shape, and that's good. We know that if BJ comes in shape, he can be a great fighter, but we never know if he's gonna come looking like a trained fighter or like the fat kid on the block. Now as much as BJ did a great job don't you guys think that a fight to be put in the mix of WW title contention is a bit prematurate? BJ won 1 fight, coming off 2 losses. Who did he win this fight against. Yes it was Matt Hughes, but a Matt Hughes that isn't fighting for competition anymore. It's a Matt Hughes who still sells fights but who had been lately competing more for fun than from an ambition to ever reach the title again. His last 3 wins were Serra, Renzo Gracie and Almaida. I'm not trying to take anything away from Hughes but just to show that although he has been a force in the WW division in the past, Hughes isn't the top of the ladder anymore and his appearant "come back" doesn't really mean as much as some people would think... - Serra : 3 fights since GSP. 1 win, 2 losses. - Renzo Gracie : His last fight was 3 years before he fought hughes and it was against Frank Shamrock, who he beat by DQ... - Almaida : Decent fighter, good late performances, but not top competition. Yet the most significant win for Hughes recently.. Now. BJ comes in and puts Hughes away decisively.. But after coming off 2 losses. So BJ's last win is decisive but against a fighter who is way past his prime but has a big name, coming off 2 losses against an undersized undedog... So congrats Penn, but I'm not buying the hype. If he does put Fitch away as decisively I'll have to believe. But I think it's hilarious how so many people just jump on the train so quickly. 1 win coming off 2 losses and there you go, BJ'S BACK. If anyone else had done that to Hughes yesterday, coming from 2 losses, he would never have been put back in the contention mix as quickly.[/quote'] HAHAHA and I KNEW that someone like you would come into the forums and create an excuse as to why Hughes loss to Penn and write two paragraphs about how Hughes isn't a top contender and basically calling him washed up. SMH there is no train hopping on a fighter train is usually referring to new fighters like Olivera or Bones not BJ noone's hopped off or on he's a legend the HYPE has always been there since the start of his career. And if Hughes is fighting for "fun" I suggest he relieves his spot on the roster and let someone else come in especially after that loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest [Deleted User] Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Fitch will grind out a decision against Penn and everybody will snap into reality and realize Penn isn't a top 5 WW. Well seeing what Fitch brings to the table you can't even compare him to Penn from what I've seen from the Alves fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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