Rampage/Machida How do you feel? What do you think

[Shady_Champ]

Personally I thought Rampage won rounds 1 and 2. Further more I damn sure don't want a rematch so how do you feel? What do you think.

[mil1lion]

I was a bit dissapointed in the fight. If Machida fights like he did for one flurry in the 3rd round, but in every round, then it would be an interesting fight. But I dont think he wants to be too aggressive like he did in the rematch against Shogun, because it got him KOd. So a rematch would go the same way.

 

I believe Rampage won by effective grappling (got more out of the clinch game), aggression and Octagon control in rounds 1 and 2, where Machida only won on effective striking. Machida won round 3 with more effective striking, grappling, and finally matched aggression with Rampage. 29-28 Rampage.

[SparkFire]

Rampage won, No Rematch

 

DW hate blackhouse fighter

 

and if a rematch would take place, the outcome is obvious.

[Jbrahams]

well looks like everyone voted the correct answer

I don't see how Machida won? Just because you dominate one round doesn't mean you win, Rampage did enough to get 9 points and Rampage got the takedown in the 2nd round which was biggest move (not much happened) and in the 1st and 2nd he was the aggressor.

 

Though, if it was one or two rounds longer machida wins easily in my opinion, but it wasn't so it doesn't matter, Machida lost and needs to move on

[kyo_sa]

at the end of the day, machida is too fast for rampage to hit, and too worried about rampages power to really engage freely...so they could fight 10 times and it would look exactly like what happened.

 

so no one really wants to see that again

 

i had machida winning hands down but most of you think swinging and missing counts more than actually landing and moving away. either way it wasnt exciting outside of round 3 and no one wants to see it again so thats why its not happening

[HAD0K3N]

i agree rampage won based on the current mma scoring but that is the problem in a fight where machida clearly had rampage stunned and took his best shots without wobbling.

 

imo (and rampages) machida got the better of rampage in that fight.

 

its the scoring that's dodgy.

 

i guess it was down to which fighter the judges that were watching the fight liked the best.

[NmyBlood]

It was Slow enough that even the slowest of Kids will be able to Count the Strikes Connected, Take down attempts,Take downs & The ever Elusive "Octagon Control"..of which I ALWAYS Give to the Ring Girls or Bruce Buffer.

 

The Simple Fact is this..

 

Machida Do Not "Speak~a~dee~English".

The UFC is absolutely an "American" Organization.

 

They Care mostly for their "English Speaking" fighters.

Where are the Majority of Events Held??

 

Breathe..

Don't be emotional.

Watch the Fight again & Score it yourself.

 

Thiago Silva..another Example.

The List does Not end there either.

 

I Can't Stand Machida or Rampage..both are Boring as F & 3 more letters.

 

The Fact that "Rampage" after Losing his last fight & being gone for so long & his record is what again in his last 3 fights?..Walked out Last for the Fight..after Machida has only 1 Loss on his Record & it was Losing the Belt.

 

Really?

B.S..yea?

 

Anyone that has watched Ufc for the last 10 plus years Knows..they always Leave the more "Popular", "Better" or One with the Biggest P.R. Push Fighter..Walk in Last.

 

It's not just a "UFC thang"..It's the way of it in Boxing, K1, WWE..etc..

 

It was Clear from the on set..that This was not going to go well for the Non english Speaking Machida.

 

I think he is boring as hell to watch too.

 

But..

The Man Absolutely dictated the Pace of that Fight..hence "Octagon Control".

Plus he out struck Rampage by Quite the Numbers.

 

Again..

Watch The Fight.

Tell me your stats.

All the words you can look up won't change the Numbers/Facts.

 

Disgusting Result..to a Disgustingly Boring Fight.

Even Rampage will tell you that & Did.

 

Frank Mir..got Ripped off from a Bonus of the ONLY "K.O" of an event & he Knocked Cro~quet Out.

 

Yes that fight was Slow & Boring too..but Frank Got the K.O & got his A$$ chewed out by Whitey..

 

Yet..

Not only does he Not do the same to Rampage..but he Praises Him for Winning.

 

ah..it's amazing how a Fighter who was in a High Budget Hollywood Film Gets the Proverbial "V.I.P." Pass & Frank Mir..a (c film actor) at best..gets Screwed of Earned Bonus & Insulted in Public by the true "Voice" of the Ufc.

 

It's Clear which Direction the Ufc has decided to take.

But I will continue to throw them my $..for every event as I have for the Last 5 years.

 

Hell..it's either that or watch all of these other "Sports" where "Grown Men" Play with Toys.

[mil1lion]

Anyone that has watched Ufc for the last 10 plus years Knows..they always Leave the more "Popular"' date=' "Better" or One with the Biggest P.R. Push Fighter..Walk in Last.[/quote']

BJ Penn came down first in his fight with Hughes, even though he was the clear favourite.

[Shady_Champ]

Also the Champion always comes out 2nd. The challenger comes out first.

[NmyBlood]

BJ Penn came down first in his fight with Hughes' date=' even though he was the clear favourite.[/quote']

 

Thank You.

You Help Prove the Point.

 

Matt Hughes had a 3 or 4 fight Win Streak going for himself.

Bj Penn..a 2 Fight Losing Streak.

 

Any Fighter That has come off of a Loss or Multiple Losses Usually does & SHOULD walk in first.

 

Again..In this case Matt Hughes has Clearly stated that he may be Done at any time & so it would only make sense from a Business Stand Point that Ufc..would Push Penn more so..even with a 2 fight Losing Streak & a "Bone" thrown to him to salvage his Career.

[NmyBlood]

Also the Champion always comes out 2nd. The challenger comes out first.

 

umm..There was No Champion in this Fight.

 

Also in the Case of a Non Title fight.

 

The Fighter Who is on a Winning Streak Compared to the one on a Losing Streak would Clearly be the "Champion" in that Scenario.

[button_man]

it doesn't make sense on a rematch.it was not even controversial because it was a split decision.

[Shady_Champ]

umm..There was No Champion in this Fight.

 

Also in the Case of a Non Title fight.

 

The Fighter Who is on a Winning Streak Compared to the one on a Losing Streak would Clearly be the "Champion" in that Scenario.

 

Dude Machida lost just accept it and move on.

[BType13x2]

My feelings towards it are that Rampage won the fight I don't care for a rematch. And you have to blame Machida for losing and not Rampage for winning. Machida had a good 3rd round, now why didn't he bring that intensity in the first 2? What the hell is his corner telling him all the time? I know they told him in the 3rd he could lose the fight, but why didn't they tell him after the first round that it was too close to call? Maybe he would have had the same sense of urgency he had in the 3rd round and we wouldn't be having this conversation?

 

I picked machida in my Fantasy league to win although days before hand I was saying I was getting the Rampage upset vibe. And I am glad he got the upset but I was expecting it to be by eating 3 and landing that huge power shot of his. Instead we got a really close decision.

 

And If we saw a rematch we might see a repeat of Shogun vs. Machida 2 where Machida tries to be more aggressive and loses because of it.

[MMA_Limburg]

The only thing Machida did the first 2 rounds was try to low kick Rampage, he didn't even try to punch the first 2 rounds. Quinton caught him with a nasty uppercut, after that Machida got hessitent and kept moving away. If he didn't caught Rampage in the 3rd, there wouldn't be much controversy in this fight and Rampage would've won an UD easily

 

Lyoto obviously isn''t the same fighter after the Shogun loss. When Rampage put pressure on him and stalked him against the wall, there was a good chance he got KTFO. Rampage grazed him a couple of times, would it been any other fighter the fight would've ended in early stoppage, so that one I give to Machida: His elusiveness helped him to get his jaw in one piece true this fight.

[NmyBlood]

Dude Machida lost just accept it and move on.

 

 

Quite the Educated Statement.

As I said.

I can't stand either Fighter.

Right is Right.

 

If you Actually analyzed the Fight again..you'd see differently.

It's expected.

Most Respond emotionally..to Opposition.

 

If you start such a thread..you may at least want to be able to discuss it without dimissal.

[NmyBlood]

The only thing Machida did the first 2 rounds was try to low kick Rampage' date=' he didn't even try to punch the first 2 rounds. Quinton caught him with a nasty uppercut, after that Machida got hessitent and kept moving away. If he didn't caught Rampage in the 3rd, there wouldn't be much controversy in this fight and Rampage would've won an UD easily

 

Lyoto obviously isn''t the same fighter after the Shogun loss. When Rampage put pressure on him and stalked him against the wall, there was a good chance he got KTFO. Rampage grazed him a couple of times, would it been any other fighter the fight would've ended in early stoppage, so that one I give to Machida: His elusiveness helped him to get his jaw in one piece true this fight.[/quote']

 

 

uh what?

[stokesyboy]

I was a bit dissapointed in the fight. If Machida fights like he did for one flurry in the 3rd round' date=' but in every round, then it would be an interesting fight. But I dont think he wants to be too aggressive like he did in the rematch against Shogun, because it got him KOd. So a rematch would go the same way.

 

I believe Rampage won by effective grappling (got more out of the clinch game), aggression and Octagon control in rounds 1 and 2, where Machida only won on effective striking. Machida won round 3 with more effective striking, grappling, and finally matched aggression with Rampage. 29-28 Rampage.[/quote']

 

^^^^This +1

[MMA_Limburg]

uh what?

 

Rampage won no rematch, better?

[mil1lion]

Thank You.

You Help Prove the Point.

 

Matt Hughes had a 3 or 4 fight Win Streak going for himself.

Bj Penn..a 2 Fight Losing Streak.

 

Any Fighter That has come off of a Loss or Multiple Losses Usually does & SHOULD walk in first.

 

Again..In this case Matt Hughes has Clearly stated that he may be Done at any time & so it would only make sense from a Business Stand Point that Ufc..would Push Penn more so..even with a 2 fight Losing Streak & a "Bone" thrown to him to salvage his Career.

But you said ...

 

they always Leave the more "Popular"' date=' "Better" or One with the Biggest P.R. Push Fighter..Walk in Last[/quote']

 

Penn is the more popular, better fighter and currently has the biggest PR.

[pacon2caraperez]

I too could've sworn that Machida won that fight while watching it. He was hitting Rampage more. Plus of course the thirs round was all Machida's. But looking back at the fight after they awarded it to Rampage, I could see why they gave it to him. He was more aggressive in both the first and second round, he slammed Machida in the second round, and while Machida hit him more throughout the fight, Rampage clearly hit him harder and did more damage. So, I could see why Rampage won the fight.

 

Now as far as a rematch is concerned...I don't think so. I personally wouldn't like to see that again. It would be exactly the same thing we saw this fight. And this fight was really all that entertaining. Machida should just take his loss and fight someone else while Rampage should fight another top contender before making another shot at the title.

[uaquin]

I thought that the first round could have gone either way, niether fighter did anything note worthy, but Rampage held the center and was the aggressor I guess.

 

2nd rd again not much action, Page got a takedown that went no where, was the agressor

 

3rd round obviously Machida.

 

Either guy could have gotten the decision and I wouldn't think anyone got robbed. I chalk up the loss for Machida as the curse of the counter striker. The judges see the guy holding the center of the octagon and moving forward as the agressor. If a counter striker can't definitavley punish the guy coming in, he is going to lose the round.

[HAD0K3N]

I thought that the first round could have gone either way' date=' niether fighter did anything note worthy, but Rampage held the center and was the aggressor I guess.

 

2nd rd again not much action, Page got a takedown that went no where, was the agressor

 

3rd round obviously Machida.

 

Either guy could have gotten the decision and I wouldn't think anyone got robbed. I chalk up the loss for Machida as the curse of the counter striker. The judges see the guy holding the center of the octagon and moving forward as the agressor. If a counter striker can't definitavley punish the guy coming in, he is going to lose the round.[/quote']

 

i agree, it depends what you consider control ? lyoto made rampage miss therefore rampage wasn't in control as he wasn't achieving what he was trying to do, surely control then would go to machida for making him miss ? nope only the guy who wades forward swinging wildly will get the points as that makes for more exciting fights why would they reward for anything else ?

 

no one got robbed if fighters would take a risks to try and win by ending the fight then there would be no robbing by the judges at all.