They should put Lyoto on the Ultimate Fighter as a student.

[Raptor_45]

Lyoto is a great counter fighter, but he has the same problem as Cody McKenzie from this season's TUF. Winning by Guillotine choke in the first round is awesome, but you never learn how to actually fight. Your body never learns how to recover from having to go the distance with a fighter, and your striking and over-all grappling capabilities do not develop.

 

You see this same problem in Lyoto. In all of his fights, he has rarely had to actually mutually exchange with his opponent (check his old fights on youtube if you don't believe this). In the past, like Cody McKenzie, being a "tricky fighter" has worked for Lyoto. Now that fighters have learned how to pressure or tie up Lyoto, his tactic is incredibly flawed. Lyoto is incredibly lacking in the actual sport of Muay Thai when you take away his back-pedaling, and timed counters.

 

He has virtually no ability to stand and trade with an opponent, and that was fine before Shogun exposed how to counter this. Lyoto has never been known for being a physically dominant fighter, and Rampage exposed this by easily picking Lyoto up to escape his guard. Now that he has been exposed, it is unlikely that Lyoto stands much of a chance of beating any of the top MMA competition.

 

Lyoto can NOT develop his Muay Thai or BJJ against UFC fighters, but he might stand a better chance against other amateurs on a show like TUF. Lyoto has great potential and may become an excellent fighter again, but not until he develops his basic MMA skills, which for the most part are completely lacking.

[TheTerribleWilliamson]

Not bad.

 

I'll give it a B-

[RD350LC_Owner]

Not bad.

 

I'll give it a B-

 

I would give it a A- your being a little harsh

[Za_Xiong]

Machida whipped *** and would whip your *** and mines included. Holla back at my gangstER possy.

 

Where mah Diaz boi's at? ARF ARF!

[Craig_M]

Put Machida in with the lower class fighters and he would just go back to easily beating people without getting touched.

[SwiftSpear]

I don't think we have any ground to make MMA standards standard yet. The game is still evolving way too much. 20 years down the line everyone could be using Lyoto's striking style and Maui guys who come in and don't have that ability to move in and out quickly everyone will look at them and go "wow, you have no idea how to strike correctly".

[Amateur]

Lyoto is a great counter fighter' date=' but he has the same problem as Cody McKenzie from this season's TUF. Winning by Guillotine choke in the first round is awesome, but you never learn how to actually fight. Your body never learns how to recover from having to go the distance with a fighter, and your striking and over-all grappling capabilities do not develop.

 

You see this same problem in Lyoto. In all of his fights, he has rarely had to actually mutually exchange with his opponent (check his old fights on youtube if you don't believe this). In the past, like Cody McKenzie, being a "tricky fighter" has worked for Lyoto. Now that fighters have learned how to pressure or tie up Lyoto, his tactic is incredibly flawed. Lyoto is incredibly lacking in the actual sport of Muay Thai when you take away his back-pedaling, and timed counters.

 

He has virtually no ability to stand and trade with an opponent, and that was fine before Shogun exposed how to counter this. Lyoto has never been known for being a physically dominant fighter, and Rampage exposed this by easily picking Lyoto up to escape his guard. Now that he has been exposed, it is unlikely that Lyoto stands much of a chance of beating any of the top MMA competition.

 

Lyoto can NOT develop his Muay Thai or BJJ against UFC fighters, but he might stand a better chance against other amateurs on a show like TUF. Lyoto has great potential and may become an excellent fighter again, but not until he develops his basic MMA skills, which for the most part are completely lacking.[/quote']

 

You sir, are a fan who has seen Machida's last 5 fights. If you had seen all of his pro fights, you would have seen him take guys down and keep them on the mat an all sorts of other things.

 

He just prefers to counter, because that's the safe way to win.

[shtshootinshootinsht]

Lyoto is good and will only get better. He tried some slick jui jitsu moves like a heel hook from the back by sliding under rampage. Either way his stand up is kind of evolving , I mean he actually through a jab in the fight lol

[AmereSquidbear]

machida was hesitant to attack rampage in the first couple rounds but he got aggressive in the third and clearly demonstrated he has more than just tricks. you also cant discredit machida's style because shogun caught him once. he lasted for the entire first fight and held his own. just because machida is not a brawler does not expose any flaw in his game, he never claimed to be a muay thai fighter so it doesnt mean very much to say that he is lacking in the actual sport of muay thai. and btw it doesnt matter how strong you are when rampage is picking you up, its not like you can grab hold of the ground... he is not physically dominant but he is capable of using his strength effectively, he took down rampage and was able to hold his own when they tied up. all in all i agree with what you said but to a much less extent

[TallStuff]

machida was hesitant to attack rampage in the first couple rounds but he got aggressive in the third and clearly demonstrated he has more than just tricks. you also cant discredit machida's style because shogun caught him once. he lasted for the entire first fight and held his own. just because machida is not a brawler does not expose any flaw in his game' date=' he never claimed to be a muay thai fighter so it doesnt mean very much to say that he is lacking in the actual sport of muay thai. and btw it doesnt matter how strong you are when rampage is picking you up, its not like you can grab hold of the ground... he is not physically dominant but he is capable of using his strength effectively, he took down rampage and was able to hold his own when they tied up. all in all i agree with what you said but to a much less extent[/quote']

 

+1. Good post.

[ForcexrecoN]

Machida has a good chin too. It's just Shogun hits like a truck (you would know that if you watched PRIDE, his UFC days don't do him justice)

[BigCountry412]

machida was hesitant to attack rampage in the first couple rounds but he got aggressive in the third and clearly demonstrated he has more than just tricks. you also cant discredit machida's style because shogun caught him once. he lasted for the entire first fight and held his own. just because machida is not a brawler does not expose any flaw in his game' date=' he never claimed to be a muay thai fighter so it doesnt mean very much to say that he is lacking in the actual sport of muay thai. and btw it doesnt matter how strong you are when rampage is picking you up, its not like you can grab hold of the ground... he is not physically dominant but he is capable of using his strength effectively, he took down rampage and was able to hold his own when they tied up. all in all i agree with what you said but to a much less extent[/quote']

 

Hey ****. When you dont throw a punch untill the third round that will rock anyone. Hell i could of rocked rampage in the third round if all i did was run around like a fairy. Machida is awful he is not a MMA fighter he is a Karate Expert and he should go back to Karate.

[FistsOfFleury]

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read on these forums. If anyone tries to take what this guy is saying and make sense to it is a fool. I refuse to get anymore into detail about this stupid nonsense.

+1 For the worst post I have ever read out of about 500 impressive man.

[Raptor_45]

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read on these forums. If anyone tries to take what this guy is saying and make sense to it is a fool. I refuse to get anymore into detail about this stupid nonsense.

+1 For the worst post I have ever read out of about 500 impressive man.

 

Translation: I cannot state why I think that this is stupid, because factually it is not. However, I am of low intelligence and have difficulty expressing myself, so I will call you stupid and pretend as if that will suffice for my lack of logic, or my lacking grasp of reality.

[Raptor_45]

"If you had seen all of his pro fights, you would have seen him take guys down and keep them on the mat an all sorts of other things."

 

I have seen all of Lyoto's fights, and I actually think they make him look horrible. As already stated, the youtube highlights that make him look like an awesome striker are once again, one-sided assaults. Anyone can look like a badass striker when they aren't having to trade blows. Unfortunately for Lyoto, those days are clearly over.

 

If you youtube his highlight videos (which show him being exciting, when in reality he is historically known for being a boring fighter), even when he is standing and trading blows, he is doing everything wrong (and getting punched in the face). IE. Firing from the waist, swinging wide and missing 90% of the time while getting punched in the side of the head because he's too inexperienced to fire from the shoulders or keep his hands up like a real fighter.

[guesswho]

you are either gay or not straight. I bet the barn on that.

[Raptor_45]

lol, why?

[kylankool]

Lyoto is a great counter fighter' date=' but he has the same problem as Cody McKenzie from this season's TUF. Winning by Guillotine choke in the first round is awesome, but you never learn how to actually fight. Your body never learns how to recover from having to go the distance with a fighter, and your striking and over-all grappling capabilities do not develop.

 

You see this same problem in Lyoto. In all of his fights, he has rarely had to actually mutually exchange with his opponent (check his old fights on youtube if you don't believe this). In the past, like Cody McKenzie, being a "tricky fighter" has worked for Lyoto. Now that fighters have learned how to pressure or tie up Lyoto, his tactic is incredibly flawed. Lyoto is incredibly lacking in the actual sport of Muay Thai when you take away his back-pedaling, and timed counters.

 

He has virtually no ability to stand and trade with an opponent, and that was fine before Shogun exposed how to counter this. Lyoto has never been known for being a physically dominant fighter, and Rampage exposed this by easily picking Lyoto up to escape his guard. Now that he has been exposed, it is unlikely that Lyoto stands much of a chance of beating any of the top MMA competition.

 

Lyoto can NOT develop his Muay Thai or[b'] BJJ against UFC fighters[/b], but he might stand a better chance against other amateurs on a show like TUF. Lyoto has great potential and may become an excellent fighter again, but not until he develops his basic MMA skills, which for the most part are completely lacking.

 

 

Machida is a BJJ black belt, I do Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and I understand what that means, you have no clue at all of that accomplishment. It usually takes around 10 years to become a BJJ black belt and a lot of discipline. He has adapted his BJJ very very well to MMA and you have no respect for his grappling skills

[Throw_Bones]

Translation: I cannot state why I think that this is stupid' date=' because factually it is not. However, I am of low intelligence and have difficulty expressing myself, so I will call you stupid and pretend as if that will suffice for my lack of logic, or my lacking grasp of reality.[/quote']

 

+1

[shinsplint]

Raptor45 Fails again.

[Jeff83]

I stopped reading when the OP compared Lyoto Machida to that very tall got lucky 9 times with the same choke because that's all he has Cody McKenzie.

 

That kid was exposed hard.

 

That is all.

[KarateMark]

Lyoto is a great counter fighter' date=' but he has the same problem as Cody McKenzie from this season's TUF. Winning by Guillotine choke in the first round is awesome, but you never learn how to actually fight. Your body never learns how to recover from having to go the distance with a fighter, and your striking and over-all grappling capabilities do not develop.

 

You see this same problem in Lyoto. In all of his fights, he has rarely had to actually mutually exchange with his opponent (check his old fights on youtube if you don't believe this). In the past, like Cody McKenzie, being a "tricky fighter" has worked for Lyoto. Now that fighters have learned how to pressure or tie up Lyoto, his tactic is incredibly flawed. Lyoto is incredibly lacking in the actual sport of Muay Thai when you take away his back-pedaling, and timed counters.

 

He has virtually no ability to stand and trade with an opponent, and that was fine before Shogun exposed how to counter this. Lyoto has never been known for being a physically dominant fighter, and Rampage exposed this by easily picking Lyoto up to escape his guard. Now that he has been exposed, it is unlikely that Lyoto stands much of a chance of beating any of the top MMA competition.

 

Lyoto can NOT develop his Muay Thai or BJJ against UFC fighters, but he might stand a better chance against other amateurs on a show like TUF. Lyoto has great potential and may become an excellent fighter again, but not until he develops his basic MMA skills, which for the most part are completely lacking.[/quote']

 

 

He knocked out 2 opponents in a row to gain the title, but all of the sudden he sucks now and should fight amateurs?

 

This is honestly the most deluded and twisted perspective I have ever seen from somebody. Please kill yourself.

 

1st of all, machida can't stand and bang?

 

He knocked out Rich Franklin, Rashad and T. Silva at their best. He did a damn good job against Shogun in fight #1, enough to get a unanimous decision (rounds 4 and 5 were definitely Shogun's). He made Shogun run and cover a couple times. Standing in front of someone close quarters and getting bashed up with the determination to KO the other guy before he KO's you in a brawl is wreckless and stupid. Look at W. Silva and his head is a giant swollen scar tissue filled melon. Chuck Liddel talks as if he has had a couple strokes.

 

Not physically dominating?

 

He used to fight as a heavyweight at 215lbs and slam 250 lb guys. Lyoto can throw around anyone anybody at LHW. He rag dolled Tito. He took Shogun down twice with ease.

 

Him getting picked up by Rampage doesn't mean anything. I can lift Lyoto off the ground with ease and so could anyone else from that position. It doesn't take drastic physical strength to lift 205 lbs off of the ground. I do it routinely in grappling class. Granted, I'm probably quite a bit stronger than Rampage is anyways.

 

Had Lyoto engaged with a blitz even one more time the entire fight against Rampage and landed a good combo like round 3, it would have been considered a domination by Lyoto. Rampage punched air a lot that fight minus a few exchanges. "He won by octagon control" Yeah, but how does that factor in when nearly everytime you try and punch someone, you miss? Rampage admitted defeat. His post fight talk was crap that he had to say to make DW's ****** tickle. He knew he had been bested.

 

Comparing Cody McKenzie (mediocre amateur) to the former LHW champion with a 16 fight professional win streak is pathetic. Shut your mouth prick.

[Jeff83]

 

This is honestly the most deluded and twisted perspective I have ever seen from somebody. Please kill yourself.

 

+1 to that minus the killing yourself.

 

Comparing Cody McKenzie (mediocre amateur) to the former LHW champion with a 16 fight professional win streak is pathetic. Shut your mouth prick.

 

+1 to that because that's pretty much what I said.

[Kazurai]

Machida has a good chin too. It's just Shogun hits like a truck (you would know that if you watched PRIDE' date=' his UFC days don't do him justice)[/quote']

Agree