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Im brazilian, so its no surprise im proud of all brazilians fighters and its no surprise I WAS IN MACHIDA TRAIN SINCE DAY ONE.

 

However, after ufc 123 I really start to ask myself about Machida and my conclusion was that HE IS A FRAUD. He is a great fighter, yes but with some easy fights on his history (in UFC)

 

He got big after defeating Thiago wich was a really good fight and he won decisively.

 

We all know Rampage was going to fight Rashad for the title but due to injuries Machida got the shot.

 

Well, Rashads style was just perfect to Machida and on top of it Machida had 5 rounds to score points.

 

Then, when Machida finally fought a big name (Shogun) he couldnt be the dragon anymore ... why ??

 

Just because a good and experienced fighter doesnt get fooled by Machida like Thiago, Ortiz and Rashad did .... and Rampage just confirmed that by putting pression on Machida. Its true Rampage didnt do much either but his game plan was just perfect to win by UD.

 

I hope im wrong but depending on who Machida fights next he will loose again and again and I wouldnt be surprised If sometime in 2012 he just get cut or disapear from UFC.

 

The only way Machida could get back to the top is if he changes his style (his crap elusiveness just dont work with experienced fighters anymore) and become more agressive. RIP Machida

 

What you guys thinks ??

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Im brazilian' date=' so its no surprise im proud of all brazilians fighters and its no surprise I WAS IN MACHIDA TRAIN SINCE DAY ONE.

 

However, after ufc 123 I really start to ask myself about Machida and my conclusion was that HE IS A FRAUD. He is a great fighter, yes but with some easy fights on his history (in UFC)

 

He got big after defeating Thiago wich was a really good fight and he won decisively.

 

We all know Rampage was going to fight Rashad for the title but due to injuries Machida got the shot.

 

Well, Rashads style was just perfect to Machida and on top of it Machida had 5 rounds to score points.

 

Then, when Machida finally fought a big name (Shogun) he couldnt be the dragon anymore ... why ??

 

Just because a good and experienced fighter doesnt get fooled by Machida like Thiago, Ortiz and Rashad did .... and Rampage just confirmed that by putting pression on Machida. Its true Rampage didnt do much either but his game plan was just perfect to win by UD.

 

I hope im wrong but depending on who Machida fights next he will loose again and again and I wouldnt be surprised If sometime in 2012 he just get cut or disapear from UFC.

 

The only way Machida could get back to the top is if he changes his style (his crap elusiveness just dont work with experienced fighters anymore) and become more agressive. RIP Machida

 

What you guys thinks ??[/quote']

 

Coming off a Knock out, he was probably a bit more cautious than he should have been, but how can you not be with Rampage swinging his hammers around. I have no problem ranking on Machida here and there, but he is still on of the best. If he incorporates a little more agressiveness, i think he will be back on track.

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I think it's hard for Machida to have his fighter after a KO loss against someone with a high KO track record... and because of that I think Machida respected Rampage's KO power too much... normally he'll shoot in with a combo, jump out, and catch his opponent when he reacts to the Machida's initial attack... this fight he was clearly trying to keep his distance until the third round when he had nothing to lose...

 

I personally think the key to Machida getting back to his winning ways is finding that balance of aggressiveness and elusiveness again... can't be too much of one or the other... also... I don't think it's a matter of "figuring Machida out" but rather that he's just skilled at what he does and just needs to find that balance he had before he got KO'ed...

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No someone who comes n with only 1 discipline and thinks there going to be the best (Toney, Brock) that's a fraud Machida is very well versed in all aspects of MMA just because your losing fights doesn't make you a fraud there's tons of guys in the UFC that will never get a title or even make top 10 in their devisions that doesn't make them frauds it just means other ppl are better, styles make fights there is no truer statement about MMA

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I think it's hard for Machida to have his fighter after a KO loss against someone with a high KO track record... and because of that I think Machida respected Rampage's KO power too much... normally he'll shoot in with a combo' date=' jump out, and catch his opponent when he reacts to the Machida's initial attack... this fight he was clearly trying to keep his distance until the third round when he had nothing to lose...

 

I personally think the key to Machida getting back to his winning ways is finding that balance of aggressiveness and elusiveness again... can't be too much of one or the other... also... I don't think it's a matter of "figuring Machida out" but rather that he's just skilled at what he does and just needs to find that balance he had before he got KO'ed...[/quote']

 

I agree Machida gave Page's power way too much respect.

 

Page has some of the most over rated power ever

 

In the last couple years Page is the only fighter NOT to KTFO JARDIN.

 

Rampage could NOT PUT Forrest away in five rounds. While Anderson drops Forrest with every single punch he lands

 

The only fighter Page has put to sleep recently is a past prime Wanderlei

 

Imagine, it was Shogun who truly needed that one shot against Machida NOT Page.

 

It was Shogun who had the power and finishing ability to stop Machida

 

Anyway,

 

Machida being too gun shy cost him

 

Machida did finally open up in the 3rd and owned that round.

 

I still need to see how Machida reacts in his next fight before I make any further observations.Machida needs to become aggressive

 

I believe the Shogun beatings may have broke Machida and turned him too timid.

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Im brazilian' date=' so its no surprise im proud of all brazilians fighters and its no surprise I WAS IN MACHIDA TRAIN SINCE DAY ONE.

 

However, after ufc 123 I really start to ask myself about Machida and my conclusion was that HE IS A FRAUD. He is a great fighter, yes but with some easy fights on his history (in UFC)

 

He got big after defeating Thiago wich was a really good fight and he won decisively.

 

We all know Rampage was going to fight Rashad for the title but due to injuries Machida got the shot.

 

Well, Rashads style was just perfect to Machida and on top of it Machida had 5 rounds to score points.

 

Then, when Machida finally fought a big name (Shogun) he couldnt be the dragon anymore ... why ??

 

Just because a good and experienced fighter doesnt get fooled by Machida like Thiago, Ortiz and Rashad did .... and Rampage just confirmed that by putting pression on Machida. Its true Rampage didnt do much either but his game plan was just perfect to win by UD.

 

I hope im wrong but depending on who Machida fights next he will loose again and again and I wouldnt be surprised If sometime in 2012 he just get cut or disapear from UFC.

 

The only way Machida could get back to the top is if he changes his style (his crap elusiveness just dont work with experienced fighters anymore) and become more agressive. RIP Machida

 

What you guys thinks ??[/quote']

 

Honestly I thought Machida either won or drew the first fight with Shogun.

 

Why couldn't Shogun beat a fraud like Machida very decisively?

 

Does not make sense.

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Honestly I thought Machida either won or drew the first fight with Shogun.

 

Why couldn't Shogun beat a fraud like Machida very decisively?

 

Does not make sense.

 

He did. 4-1 Shogun. Look at the strike tally. And visible damage. Machida couldn't walk for 2 weeks. Shogun was in Edmonton signing autographs the next weekend.

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Machida is not a fraud, he is a good fighter that came through at a good time and got over hyped because of it. His path to the title wasn't that tough. Thiago SIlva being the best guy he faced. He won the belt against a fighter in his first defense who won it form a fighter in his first defense, well you get the picture.

 

Lyoto came on the scene during the changing of the guard in the LHW division. Liddell, Couture, Ortiz,Wanderlei all on the down side of their careers. There hasn't been a truely dominante LHW since Liddell. It's not like Machida had to dethrone a dominant champ like Silva, GSP,Penn or Liddell in his prime to win the belt.

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My impression of that fight was that Machida was the stronger more dominant fighter.

 

Shogun looked like a scared little boy.

 

Thats what the judges saw too.

 

Wow what the f*** are you on?

 

At the end of five rounds Shogun left Machida bruised, battered, and broken and defeated

 

"A blind man could see that Shogun kicked Machida's ***"

 

Shogun landed all the significant hard strikes of the fight and significantly out struck Machida two strikes to one

 

Shogun was hurting Machida.

 

Machida was not hurting Shogun like that

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Wow what the f*** are you on?

 

At the end of five rounds Shogun left Machida bruised' date=' battered, and broken and defeated

 

[b']"A blind man could see that Shogun kicked Machida's ***"[/b]

 

Shogun landed all the significant hard strikes of the fight and significantly out struck Machida two strikes to one

 

Shogun was hurting Machida.

 

Machida was not hurting Shogun like that

 

I think ONLY blind men could see it.

 

Or blind boys.

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I agree Machida gave Page's power way too much respect.

 

Page has some of the most over rated power ever

 

In the last couple years Page is the only fighter NOT to KTFO JARDIN.

 

Rampage could NOT PUT Forrest away in five rounds. While Anderson drops Forrest with every single punch he lands

 

The only fighter Page has put to sleep recently is a past prime Wanderlei

 

Imagine' date=' it was Shogun who truly needed that one shot against Machida NOT Page.

 

It was Shogun who had the power and finishing ability to stop Machida

 

Anyway,

 

Machida being too gun shy cost him

 

Machida did finally open up in the 3rd and owned that round.

 

I still need to see how Machida reacts in his next fight before I make any further observations.Machida needs to become aggressive

 

I believe the Shogun beatings may have broke Machida and turned him too timid.[/quote']

 

Most overrated power by Rampage, are you kidding me? Your trolling right?

 

If he connects full force you going to sleep, ask rashad, ask chuck, ask wanderlei, ask the any number of people he has knocked out. Machida did not get knocked out due to the fact Rampage never really got a full out clean power hook either machida was starting to move away or dodged it. So he never full on connected with Machida.

 

So your theory of Page not needing one KO shot is silly because Page can put any fighter away with one punch.

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Most overrated power by Rampage' date=' are you kidding me? Your trolling right?

 

If he connects full force you going to sleep, ask rashad, ask chuck, ask wanderlei, ask the any number of people he has knocked out. Machida did not get knocked out due to the fact Rampage never really got a full out clean power hook either machida was starting to move away or dodged it. So he never full on connected with Machida.

 

So your theory of Page not needing one KO shot is silly because Page can put any fighter away with one punch.[/quote']

 

He connected full force on Jardin. What happened there?

 

The only fighter he has put to sleep recently is a weakened chinned Wanderlei.

 

You prove my point. Page's power is over rated

 

LOL@ ask all the people he's knocked out.

 

Who has he knocked out with strikes?

 

Chuck and Wanderlei and that's it!

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He connected full force on Jardin. What happened there?

 

The only fighter he has put to sleep recently is a weakened chinned Wanderlei.

 

You prove my point. Page's power is over rated

 

No, I did not. Rampage's power is not overrated. No one wants to strike with him Rashad was unconscious in the third round in the fight with Rampage. I guarantee no one goes in with the intention of trading punches with Rampage because they will go to sleep he has power that is not overrated.

 

I do not know how Jardine survived his fight with Rampage but not everyone was knocking Jardine out he would do good one fight and then get beat or knocked out the next fight.

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So then 82% of the population is blinnd?

 

And only "you" know better?

 

Can you please remove Shogun's nuts from your mouth for a second?

 

Thats why there are Judges and the judges decide who wins.

 

They scored it to for Machida, Machida won the first fight with Shogun get over it.

 

It happened, there is no disputing it, its in the history books.

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Im brazilian' date=' so its no surprise im proud of all brazilians fighters and its no surprise I WAS IN MACHIDA TRAIN SINCE DAY ONE.

 

However, after ufc 123 I really start to ask myself about Machida and my conclusion was that HE IS A FRAUD. He is a great fighter, yes but with some easy fights on his history (in UFC)

 

He got big after defeating Thiago wich was a really good fight and he won decisively.

 

We all know Rampage was going to fight Rashad for the title but due to injuries Machida got the shot.

 

Well, Rashads style was just perfect to Machida and on top of it Machida had 5 rounds to score points.

 

Then, when Machida finally fought a big name (Shogun) he couldnt be the dragon anymore ... why ??

 

Just because a good and experienced fighter doesnt get fooled by Machida like Thiago, Ortiz and Rashad did .... and Rampage just confirmed that by putting pression on Machida. Its true Rampage didnt do much either but his game plan was just perfect to win by UD.

 

I hope im wrong but depending on who Machida fights next he will loose again and again and I wouldnt be surprised If sometime in 2012 he just get cut or disapear from UFC.

 

The only way Machida could get back to the top is if he changes his style (his crap elusiveness just dont work with experienced fighters anymore) and become more agressive. RIP Machida

 

What you guys thinks ??[/quote']

 

First, it's way to soon to relegate Machida to the back of the LHW division much less call him a fraud. Second, Machida didn't need 5 rounds to point Rashad because he finished him; knocked him out silly. Finally, after that brutal knockout at the hands of Shogun I would bet Machida was extra cautious about running into one of Rampage's sledge hammers.

 

Anyway, it was a good fight. A decent call by the judges, and I agree with Dana; I don't see a need for a rematch.

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First' date=' it's way to soon to relegate Machida to the back of the LHW division much less call him a fraud. Second, Machida didn't need 5 rounds to point Rashad because he finished him; knocked him out silly. Finally, after that brutal knockout at the hands of Shogun I would bet Machida was extra cautious about running into one of Rampage's sledge hammers.

 

Anyway, it was a good fight. A decent call by the judges, and I agree with Dana; I don't see a need for a rematch.[/quote']

 

+1 :)

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No' date=' I did not. Rampage's power is not overrated. No one wants to strike with him Rashad was unconscious in the third round in the fight with Rampage. I guarantee no one goes in with the intention of trading punches with Rampage because they will go to sleep he has power that is not overrated.

 

I do not know how Jardine survived his fight with Rampage but not everyone was knocking Jardine out he would do good one fight and then get beat or knocked out the next fight.[/quote']

 

Don't get me wrong. Rampage has power, but people act like if Page so much as touches the chin its over and the opponent will die lol

 

Many.. Many.. Many fighters have survived Page. Including that "granite chined" Jardin who practices getting KTFO

 

And who has Page recently knocked out with strikes?

 

Only Chuck and Wanderlei

 

IMHO Shogun truly deserves Page's level of hype.

 

Because Shogun proves it fight in and fight out

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Don't get me wrong. Rampage has great power' date=' but people act like if Page so much as touches the chin its over and the opponent will die lol

 

Many Many Many fighters have survived Page. Even that "granite chined" Jardin who practices getting KTFO

 

And who has Page recently knocked out with strikes?

 

Only Chuck and Wanderlei

 

IMHO Shogun truly deserves Page's level of hype.

 

Because Shogun proves it fight in and fight out[/quote']

 

Shogun/Griffen followed by Shogun /Coleman should be enough to get any man fired from the UFC.

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Don't get me wrong. Rampage has power' date=' but people act like if Page so much as touches the chin its over and the opponent will die lol

 

Many.. Many.. Many fighters have survived Page. Including that "granite chined" Jardin who practices getting KTFO

 

And who has Page recently knocked out with strikes?

 

Only Chuck and Wanderlei

 

IMHO Shogun truly deserves Page's level of hype.

 

Because Shogun proves it fight in and fight out[/quote']

 

*cough, Marvin eastman, cough* :P didnt he? lol

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Can you please remove Shogun's nuts from your mouth for a second?

 

Thats why there are Judges and the judges decide who wins.

 

They scored it to for Machida' date=' Machida won the first fight with Shogun get over it.

 

It happened, there is no disputing it, its in the history books.[/quote']

 

The judges did not correctly do their jobs

 

That should not be tolerated

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Don't get me wrong. Rampage has power' date=' but people act like if Page so much as touches the chin its over and the opponent will die lol

 

Many.. Many.. Many fighters have survived Page. Including that "granite chined" Jardin who practices getting KTFO

 

And who has Page recently knocked out with strikes?

 

Only Chuck and Wanderlei

 

IMHO Shogun truly deserves Page's level of hype.

 

Because Shogun proves it fight in and fight out[/quote']

 

Yeah he proved it against forest and Coleman right? :rolleyes:

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Don't get me wrong. Rampage has power' date=' but people act like if Page so much as touches the chin its over and the opponent will die lol

 

Many.. Many.. Many fighters have survived Page. Including that "granite chined" Jardin who practices getting KTFO

 

And who has Page recently knocked out with strikes?

 

Only Chuck and Wanderlei

 

IMHO Shogun truly deserves Page's level of hype.

 

Because Shogun proves it fight in and fight out[/quote']

 

 

Also if not for several shots missed by Rampage while rashad was unconscious on the ground Rampage would have a KO victory over the man fighting Shogun whenever his knee finally recovers.

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The judges did not correctly do their jobs

 

That should not be tolerated

 

The judges did not do their job correctly?

 

They scored the fight and all three judges felt the same way.

 

Three separate judges gave Machida the fight.

 

By the way there is a rule unless you KO or completely dominate the fight with the champion, you will lose and he will win. I am serious, I wish I had the link for where I heard that.

 

Thats why Shogun lost, not because he lost the fight because he didnt dominate the champion the whole time and didnt KO him in the first fight.

 

He could have won 4 out of the 5 rounds but if he didnt win all 5 he was not getting the decision I sware thats how it is.

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Lets get three things straight right now:

 

1.) Shogun did not win his fight with Machida based on the fact he did not dominate all five rounds and did not knock out Machida in the first fight. For this reason the judges gave Machida the UD.

 

2.) Rampage has awesome KO, if he hits your chin with the right shot your going night night.

 

3.) Machida has not been figured out and is not done. He will have a good future in the UFC and in his next fight he will show more signs of the old Machida like he did in round 3 of the Machida fight.

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I think it's hard for Machida to have his fighter after a KO loss against someone with a high KO track record... and because of that I think Machida respected Rampage's KO power too much... normally he'll shoot in with a combo' date=' jump out, and catch his opponent when he reacts to the Machida's initial attack... this fight he was clearly trying to keep his distance until the third round when he had nothing to lose...

 

I personally think the key to Machida getting back to his winning ways is finding that balance of aggressiveness and elusiveness again... can't be too much of one or the other... also... I don't think it's a matter of "figuring Machida out" but rather that he's just skilled at what he does and just needs to find that balance he had before he got KO'ed...[/quote']

 

Yeah guys, maybe I used a strong term FRAUD . but my point is that on the last 3 FIGHTS MACHIDA DIDNT DO ANYTHING !!!

 

So wait, Machida will do good fights only against unexperienced fighters ?? So far (against Shogun and Page) seems like he is NOT DOING GOOD AGAINST WELL ROUNDED FIGHTERS ... thats my point !!!! And dont tell me Rashad was well rounded please

 

Ps. Hope Machida goes back to the top .. I really do

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