UFCITOLDUSO Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 After rewatching the fight, rewinding and rewatching many times over, it all comes down to what you subjectively emphasize out of a fighter's performance as to how you score the fight. The closest split decision that could be awarded is the fairest. And it all comes down to how you view the first round. Some observations: Rampage was obviously the most aggressive, BUT, if you rewatch it, at least half of the CONTACT (strikes, not clinches,) in the first round, was initiated by Machida. You could also argue Machida landed the most SIGNIFICANT strikes in round one. To count footstomps and insignificant (low risk, low reward,) strikes in the clinch as points, unless you give credit for an aggregate of effort in the tie up, is ridiculous. Virtually all of the clinches were initiated by Machida, and I think it was this that worked against him the most, as it made him look timid, and reluctant to engage more so than his backpedalling which could at least be seen as a tactical maneuver. As a person who was rooting for Machida, immediately after the fight I felt that the right decision was rendered. At the time, if it was given to Machida, I would have felt that Rampage was robbed. But now, if it went either way, it would be okay. For those of you out there saying Machida was robbed, that's what he gets for being overly Kalib Starnes in the first round, when headlining a UFC event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antmanx Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 After rewatching the fight' date=' rewinding and rewatching many times over, it all comes down to what you subjectively emphasize out of a fighter's performance as to how you score the fight. The closest split decision that could be awarded is the fairest. And it all comes down to how you view the first round. Some observations: Rampage was obviously the most aggressive, BUT, if you rewatch it, at least half of the CONTACT (strikes, not clinches,) in the first round, was initiated by Machida. You could also argue Machida landed the most SIGNIFICANT strikes in round one. To count footstomps and insignificant (low risk, low reward,) strikes in the clinch as points, unless you give credit for an aggregate of effort in the tie up, is ridiculous. Virtually all of the clinches were initiated by Machida, and I think it was this that worked against him the most, as it made him look timid, and reluctant to engage more so than his backpedalling which could at least be seen as a tactical maneuver. As a person who was rooting for Machida, immediately after the fight I felt that the right decision was rendered. At the time, if it was given to Machida, I would have felt that Rampage was robbed. But now, if it went either way, it would be okay. For those of you out there saying Machida was robbed, that's what he gets for being overly [b']Kalib Starnes[/b] in the first round, when headlining a UFC event. I know Machida is elusive and sometimes plays it too safe but to put him in the same category as Starnes is on a whole different level. Even coming from a non-Machida fan, that is a low blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechniqueSeeker Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Interesting read, unfortunately it doesn't change the outcome. We also have to remember we can only see what the cameras show us. The judges have a more clear view of what is going on in the fight. Not saying what we see is wrong, just saying, we might not be seeing the whole picture. I am not defending the judges because there has been a lot of questionable calls made in the past and there will be more in the future. I wish we were able to put in inquiries to the judges to see how the come to their conclusions on who won the fight. It would be interesting to see their score cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbrahams Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 yeah I think Rampage wins, hopefully this will teach Machida to do a bit more, doesn't have to stop being elusive and stuff but he needs to get more done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 TS in my opinion Lyoto was robbed.... Im still bitter over it.... And top AV... I wana be nailing Palin... What a MILF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCITOLDUSO Posted November 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 I know Machida is elusive and sometimes plays it too safe but to put him in the same category as Starnes is on a whole different level. Even coming from a non-Machida fan' date=' that is a low blow.[/quote'] I didn't put him in the same category as Starnes. His first round performance was a bit Starnes-ish. Interesting read' date=' unfortunately it doesn't change the outcome. We also have to remember we can only see what the cameras show us. The judges have a more clear view of what is going on in the fight. Not saying what we see is wrong, just saying, we might not be seeing the whole picture. I am not defending the judges because there has been a lot of questionable calls made in the past and there will be more in the future. I wish we were able to put in inquiries to the judges to see how the come to their conclusions on who won the fight. It would be interesting to see their score cards.[/quote'] Just like Rampage, I'm content with the outcome. Would be if it went the other way. Just like Rampage. Good thing he wasn't judging that fight, or he would've lost. yeah I think Rampage wins' date=' hopefully this will teach Machida to do a bit more, doesn't have to stop being elusive and stuff but he needs to get more done[/quote'] He's easing himself back into it. His next fight will be a good one. Mark my words... TS in my opinion Lyoto was robbed.... Im still bitter over it.... And top AV... I wana be nailing Palin... What a MILF. You got that right. One of the reasons I know this country won't come out of it's decline is because of all the young, heterosexual males who have been so completely brainwashed by the public school system, that they won't see the obvious sex appeal that no finely-tailored business suit will hide, that you and I can. I tease my wife, who is also a gorgeous brunette, all the time by "mistakenly" calling her Sarah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portorockxxl Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 still think Machida got ROB at no point RAMPAGE had him hurt or anything close too , Machida hurt Rampage and was the fighter that got close to finish the fight at worse for Machida could have been a draw but to give page the win was bullcrap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 It was a close fight. What more can you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCITOLDUSO Posted November 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 still think Machida got ROB at no point RAMPAGE had him hurt or anything close too ' date=' Machida hurt Rampage and was the fighter that got close to finish the fight at worse for Machida could have been a draw but to give page the win was bullcrap[/quote'] Under current judging criteria, it only applies for the third round. It could be considered payback the way he won his first fight with Shogun. It was a close fight. What more can you say? Well... After rewatching the fight' date=' rewinding and rewatching many times over, it all comes down to what you subjectively emphasize out of a fighter's performance as to how you score the fight. The closest split decision that could be awarded is the fairest. And it all comes down to how you view the first round. Some observations: Rampage was obviously the most aggressive, BUT, if you rewatch it, at least half of the CONTACT (strikes, not clinches,) in the first round, was initiated by Machida. You could also argue Machida landed the most SIGNIFICANT strikes in round one. To count footstomps and insignificant (low risk, low reward,) strikes in the clinch as points, unless you give credit for an aggregate of effort in the tie up, is ridiculous. Virtually all of the clinches were initiated by Machida, and I think it was this that worked against him the most, as it made him look timid, and reluctant to engage more so than his backpedalling which could at least be seen as a tactical maneuver. As a person who was rooting for Machida, immediately after the fight I felt that the right decision was rendered. At the time, if it was given to Machida, I would have felt that Rampage was robbed. But now, if it went either way, it would be okay. For those of you out there saying Machida was robbed, that's what he gets for being overly Kalib Starnes in the first round, when headlining a UFC event.[/quote'] I couldn't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KettleBell Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 After rewatching the fight' date=' rewinding and rewatching many times over, it all comes down to what you subjectively emphasize out of a fighter's performance as to how you score the fight. The closest split decision that could be awarded is the fairest. And it all comes down to how you view the first round. Some observations: Rampage was obviously the most aggressive, BUT, if you rewatch it, at least half of the CONTACT (strikes, not clinches,) in the first round, was initiated by Machida. You could also argue Machida landed the most SIGNIFICANT strikes in round one. To count footstomps and insignificant (low risk, low reward,) strikes in the clinch as points, unless you give credit for an aggregate of effort in the tie up, is ridiculous. Virtually all of the clinches were initiated by Machida, and I think it was this that worked against him the most, as it made him look timid, and reluctant to engage more so than his backpedalling which could at least be seen as a tactical maneuver. As a person who was rooting for Machida, immediately after the fight I felt that the right decision was rendered. At the time, if it was given to Machida, I would have felt that Rampage was robbed. But now, if it went either way, it would be okay. For those of you out there saying Machida was robbed, that's what he gets for being overly Kalib Starnes in the first round, when headlining a UFC event.[/quote'] your avatar is killing me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCITOLDUSO Posted November 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 your avatar is killing me Jealous? Wish you could bag a babe like her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nizmo270r Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Machida: Jon Fitch of standup Butt hurt Machida fans STILL can't get over the fact that Page didn't fall for that elusiveness BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCITOLDUSO Posted November 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 Machida: Jon Fitch of standupButt hurt Machida fans STILL can't get over the fact that Page didn't fall for that elusiveness BS Didn't fall for it? He said himself he couldn't find Machida. We're all being treated to a Machida roller coaster ride. Before Sokudju, (not couting Rich Franklin's TKO way back,) he put on some really boring fights. Then he got confident, started stepping up, and he finished 3 out of 4 fighters (two of whom were previously undefeated with a combined 20+ fights,) and manhandled Ortiz for 3rounds. Feeling at the top of his game, he runs head first into Shogun, who injected 5 1/2 rounds of serious self doubt into a guy who before had barely been scratched. So surviving two rounds of Rampage, he realizes he still has something to offer the MMA community, and begins to return to form. The Evans fight was one of the most exciting I've ever seen. It was like watching one guy read the other's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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