mma's ground is 100% different from a wrestling match

[DKF]

GSP has recently stated that he wouldn't be afraid to vs Koscheck in a wrestling match. This is absolutely lol, because the mma shot doesn't work for wrestling and that's all he knows that is even remotely usable for wrestling. GSP doesn't know any standups, reversals, or any takedowns for that matter. Koscheck would slaughter gsp in a wrestling match.

 

 

If you disagree with me you're insane and probably like gsp just a little too much.

[uaquin]

GSP has recently stated that he wouldn't be afraid to vs Koscheck in a wrestling match. This is absolutely lol' date=' because the mma shot doesn't work for wrestling and that's all he knows that is even remotely usable for wrestling. GSP doesn't know any standups, reversals, or any takedowns for that matter. Koscheck would slaughter gsp in a wrestling match.

 

 

If you disagree with me you're insane and probably like gsp just a little too much.[/quote']

 

I'm curious how you know GSP doesn't know standard wrestling moves beyond a double/single leg take down? Considering the guys he trains with I'm thinking he probably does.

[Hendoforpresident]

I'm curious how you know GSP doesn't know standard wrestling moves beyond a double/single leg take down? Considering the guys he trains with I'm thinking he probably does.

 

youd be suprised how stupid people are

 

gsp, having never wrestled before mma, is an amazing wrestler and knows everything about it

 

you dont get to be #1 WW in the world without knowthing everything

[DKF]

I'm curious how you know GSP doesn't know standard wrestling moves beyond a double/single leg take down? Considering the guys he trains with I'm thinking he probably does.

 

Because why would you train ****ing wrestling moves for an mma fight besides the ones that apply to mma.

[Hendoforpresident]

Because why would you train ****ing wrestling moves for an mma fight besides the ones that apply to mma.

 

id say that all wrestling moves apply to mma

[DKF]

youd be suprised how stupid people are

 

gsp' date=' having never wrestled before mma, is an amazing wrestler and knows everything about it

 

you dont get to be #1 WW in the world without knowthing everything[/quote']

 

R u furreal homeboy?

 

That **** that happens on the ground in mma is not wrestling. No where ****ing close.

[uaquin]

Because why would you train ****ing wrestling moves for an mma fight besides the ones that apply to mma.

 

Because if you don't know the basics, how can you translate it to MMA? Considering the fact that no one in all the great wreslters he has faced has been able to keep GSP on his back I'd say he is pretty familiar with switches and stand ups.

[DKF]

id say that all wrestling moves apply to mma

 

Oh yes because I'm going to 3/4 nelson someone instead of punching them in the dam face. u furreal homeboy ?

[Hendoforpresident]

Oh yes because I'm going to 3/4 nelson someone instead of punching them in the dam face. u furreal homeboy ?

 

hey man, if a guy comes into mma with 100% wrestling, ZERO strikes or anything else

 

he can still win the fight

 

im furreal dawg

[DKF]

hey man' date=' if a guy comes into mma with 100% wrestling, ZERO strikes or anything else

 

he can still win the fight

 

im furreal dawg[/quote']

 

That is true

[Hendoforpresident]

That is true

 

i know wat you mean, no one in mma would try a full nelson or any of that crap

but it is possible

 

and im sure GSP knows those moves too

[DKF]

Because if you don't know the basics' date=' how can you translate it to MMA? Considering the fact that no one in all the great wreslters he has faced has been able to keep GSP on his back I'd say he is pretty familiar with switches and stand ups.[/quote']

 

Id say he used standard mma escape, but assuming he does know the basics, which id give him that, he still doesn't know enough or know what he knows good enough to compete with koscheck in a wrestling match.

[Meshugga]

Wasn't GSP training for the olympic team... yeah he knows nothing about wrestling.

[Hendoforpresident]

Wasn't GSP training for the olympic team... yeah he knows nothing about wrestling.

 

dude cmon

thats not was hes saying

 

hes sayin GSP knows his wrestling, but in a pure wrestling match, kos would mop the floor with him

 

and i agree, kos has been doin it his whole life

but this is mma, not wrestling, GSP knows enough about it and wat he does know, he has dam near perfected it to form to the aspects of mma

 

mma/wrestling id give it to GSP

 

pure wrestling definitly goes to kos

[MoZZez]

Because why would you train ****ing wrestling moves for an mma fight besides the ones that apply to mma.

 

Sorry kiddo, you are showing your age and intelligence again

GSP has trained with the Canadian Olympic team members

 

While I couldn't speculate on if he would beat Kos in a wrestling match, to say he doesn't know is just plain foolish on your part.

 

Just because you do not know what he has trained, doesn't mean he has not trained it.

 

Get your head out of your *** and get a clue

[Ronin27]

GSP has recently stated that he wouldn't be afraid to vs Koscheck in a wrestling match. This is absolutely lol' date=' because the mma shot doesn't work for wrestling and that's all he knows that is even remotely usable for wrestling. GSP doesn't know any standups, reversals, or any takedowns for that matter. Koscheck would slaughter gsp in a wrestling match.

 

 

If you disagree with me you're insane and probably like gsp just a little too much.[/quote']

 

Wrestling is way more than shooting a double leg or sprawling. I agree with you that maybe Josh Kos would outwrestle Pierre in a folk style match. there are so many moves in wrestling that they would not teach you in mma, because it wouldn't work. 1..the cradle. who would put a mma guy in a cradle? also a cow catcher. talk about eating a knee to the face. What about "sitting out" when a guy has your back. talk about being dragged to the ground and choked out. Ever heard of clasping? There are literally hundreds of moves that do not comply with mma. A high caliber wrestler would simply use these moves to confuse a guy who has primarily offensive mma wrestling.

[serb-1]

you know hes trolling because he uses the word homeboy...

[Frankyboyy]

GSP trained with the olympics wrestling team and considered being a wrestler instead of an MMA fighter at a point in his career, so I presume he does know how to wrestle and did some wreslting matches with olympics athletes so maynye Kos has an experience advantage and could win but not moop the floor with him.

[DKF]

dude cmon

thats not was hes saying

 

hes sayin GSP knows his wrestling' date=' but in a pure wrestling match, kos would mop the floor with him

 

and i agree, kos has been doin it his whole life

but this is mma, not wrestling, GSP knows enough about it and wat he does know, he has dam near perfected it to form to the aspects of mma

 

mma/wrestling id give it to GSP

 

pure wrestling definitly goes to kos[/quote']

 

He knows what I'm trying to say, that wrestling is different from mma. His mma success on the ground would not translate to success in wrestling.

 

Canadian backup or not, a couple of months training in wrestling against a lifetine of wrestling. We all know he has been grappling for a really long time but wrestling is a very unique style of grappling. You can't do bjj and then get on the matt and be successful.

[Juzie]

It really is a whole different game, the ground game in MMA is more a BJJ contest than a wrestling one, none of us really know who would win in a pure wrestling match because there isn't enough footage of either of them.

[Furiousmat]

GSP has recently stated that he wouldn't be afraid to vs Koscheck in a wrestling match. This is absolutely lol' date=' because the mma shot doesn't work for wrestling and that's all he knows that is even remotely usable for wrestling. GSP doesn't know any standups, reversals, or any takedowns for that matter. Koscheck would slaughter gsp in a wrestling match.

 

 

If you disagree with me you're insane and probably like gsp just a little too much.[/quote']

 

wow how do you know what GSP knows or doesn't know in wrestling? All you ever see him perform is MMA. What a ******.

 

GSP stated over and over that the way he trains is by working on each discipline seperately. When he trains boxing, he does it against boxers with boxing rules. When he does BJJ, he does only BJJ, when he does wrestling, it's only wrestling. And he wrestles with world class wrestlers that a couple years ago he said were ranked like 4 or 5th in the world.

 

Do you seriously think that all this time GSP's been training with the best wrestlers in the world and he doesn't know anything about wrestling? GSP is a complete wrestler and it's hard to tell who would win this. Sure thing, saying GSP would get defeated because he "doesn't know" the moves is plain stupid.

[DKF]

In mma gsp destroys koscheck on the ground, but if koscheck listened to gsps trashtalk abot how gsp thinks he could beat koscheck on the wrestling matt. And koscheck actually wrestled him in like a folk match... koscheck would mangle him.

[Furiousmat]

In mma gsp destroys koscheck on the ground' date=' but if koscheck listened to gsps trashtalk abot how gsp thinks he could beat koscheck on the wrestling matt. And koscheck actually wrestled him in like a folk match... koscheck would mangle him.[/quote']

 

another statement based on ignorance.

got many of them left?

[MoZZez]

wow how do you know what GSP knows or doesn't know in wrestling? All you ever see him perform is MMA. What a ******.

 

GSP stated over and over that the way he trains is by working on each discipline seperately. When he trains boxing' date=' he does it against boxers with boxing rules. When he does BJJ, he does only BJJ, when he does wrestling, it's only wrestling. And he wrestles with world class wrestlers that a couple years ago he said were ranked like 4 or 5th in the world.

 

Do you seriously think that all this time GSP's been training with the best wrestlers in the world and he doesn't know anything about wrestling? GSP is a complete wrestler and it's hard to tell who would win this. Sure thing, saying GSP would get defeated because he "doesn't know" the moves is plain stupid.[/quote']

 

He is a high school wrestler trying to pump up how great wrestling. Nothing else to it.

 

GSP is an intelligent athlete, I doubt he has learnt just MMA type wrestling with the people he trains with

 

While nobody around this forum knows how good he is, but to dismiss it on a guess like DKF does is just stupid

[DKF]

you know hes trolling because he uses the word homeboy...

 

Its kind of like half trolling, I know gsp knows how to wrestle, and I'm getting a rise out of gsp fans. But I'm serious that koscheck would roll gsp up on a wrestling matt.

[Juzie]

Its kind of like half trolling' date=' I know gsp knows how to wrestle, and I'm getting a rise out of gsp fans. But I'm serious that koscheck would roll gsp up on a wrestling matt.[/quote']

Probably right... but so he should. He trained it from a young age and competed at high national levels (in the US, which has a 10x larger talent pool for wrestlers than Canada).

[AmereSquidbear]

GSP has recently stated that he wouldn't be afraid to vs Koscheck in a wrestling match. This is absolutely lol' date=' because the mma shot doesn't work for wrestling and that's all he knows that is even remotely usable for wrestling. GSP doesn't know any standups, reversals, or any takedowns for that matter. Koscheck would slaughter gsp in a wrestling match.

 

 

If you disagree with me you're insane and probably like gsp just a little too much.[/quote']

 

either troll or dumb. GSP was considering trying out for the Canadian olympic wrestling team, and he trains with them. to say he "doesnt know anything about standups, reversals, or any takedowns for that matter" is ridiculous. whether or not he is a better wrestler than koscheck we cant be sure.

[joshdfs]

Probably right... but so he should. He trained it from a young age and competed at high national levels (in the US' date=' which has a 10x larger talent pool for wrestlers than Canada).[/quote']

 

You would be surprised at the number of all time great Canadian amatuers. Wrestling is much more respected as a sport in Canada.

 

Anyway, John Fitch or Gray Maynard might disagree with the TS, You never see them do anything BUT wrestle and they have amassed pretty impressive records in MMA.

 

Too bad that due to the recent trends in judging this is not true.

[bright508620]

I am currently wrestling in high school(152lbs). I bet i could beat a low touted UFC LW fighter by simply laying an praying. (srs) but thats no fun

[DKF]

You would be surprised at the number of all time great Canadian amatuers. Wrestling is much more respected as a sport in Canada.

 

Anyway' date=' John Fitch or Gray Maynard might disagree with the TS, You never see them do anything BUT wrestle and they have amassed pretty impressive records in MMA.

 

Too bad that due to the recent trends in judging this is not true.[/quote']

 

I agreed with the earlier statement you can come into mma with nothing but wrestling and have success, but you can't come into wrestling with nothing but bjj and be successful right of the bat.

[DKF]

I am currently wrestling in high school(152lbs). I bet i could beat a low touted UFC LW fighter by simply laying an praying. (srs) but thats no fun

 

So you have the same stance I do on it. That koscheck would beat gsp in a wrestling match. But gsp would beat koscheck on the ground in mma.

 

Because there is so much to learn and grasp that you're just not going to be able to master in a couple months of working with olympians. Koscheck could compete olympically if he did nothing but wrestling for a year to get back into it.

[bacon_n_jelly]

Probably right... but so he should. He trained it from a young age and competed at high national levels (in the US' date=' which has a 10x larger talent pool for wrestlers than Canada).[/quote']

 

+1, I'm a university student in Saskatchewan and my roommate is on the wrestling team. He never wrestled a day in his life and wanted to try a sport he had never done. I said he was crazy to try an start at the university level, with no prior training, he didn't even know the difference between freestyle and greco. He has a wrestling meet this weekend. That should show how big the disparity b/w Canadian and American wrestling is.

 

not saying there aren't great canadian wrestlers, but there's no way a guy could pull what my roommate did in the states.

[bright508620]

So you have the same stance I do on it. That koscheck would beat gsp in a wrestling match. But gsp would beat koscheck on the ground in mma.

 

Because there is so much to learn and grasp that you're just not going to be able to master in a couple months of working with olympians. Koscheck could compete olympically if he did nothing but wrestling for a year to get back into it.

 

i dont know bro. I think when you look at it, just because kos wrestled in college and was great, doesn't mean he could beat GSP. i mean when you look at the control factor. GSP would control koscheck on the ground way more thsn kos would do to GSP.

 

I think GSP is technically a better takedown artist. BUT THTS IN MMA. in wrestling, i think it would be very very close. I think the MMA aspect, GSP would and WILL KILL kos come dec 11. But in nwrestling, i think it would be a very close match imo.

 

The thing about mma thats different in wrestling is that you always have your hands up protecting your face.

 

NOW JUST IMAGINE A WRESTLER WHO PPUT HIS HANDS UP DURING A MATCH. HOW EASY WOULD IT BE TO TAKE HIM DOWN? thats why it is hard to defend takedowns in mma. But peopl eare starting to learn to get IN AND OUT. so they get out of shooting distance so ppl wont score as many takedowns. I think this will be the only way kos will even have a .5% chance. is to be in and out.

 

 

Dont comapre though. You canott say one have an advantage over the other. I bet you there are national champion wrestlers who suk in mma but would kill anyone ina wrestling match. trust that folks.

[DKF]

i dont know bro. I think when you look at it' date=' just because kos wrestled in college and was great, doesn't mean he could beat GSP. i mean when you look at the control factor. GSP would control koscheck on the ground way more thsn kos would do to GSP.

 

I think GSP is technically a better takedown artist. BUT THTS IN MMA. in wrestling, i think it would be very very close. I think the MMA aspect, GSP would and WILL KILL kos come dec 11. But in nwrestling, i think it would be a very close match imo.

 

The thing about mma thats different in wrestling is that you always have your hands up protecting your face.

 

NOW JUST IMAGINE A WRESTLER WHO PPUT HIS HANDS UP DURING A MATCH. HOW EASY WOULD IT BE TO TAKE HIM DOWN? thats why it is hard to defend takedowns in mma. But peopl eare starting to learn to get IN AND OUT. so they get out of shooting distance so ppl wont score as many takedowns. I think this will be the only way kos will even have a .5% chance. is to be in and out.

 

 

Dont comapre though. You canott say one have an advantage over the other. I bet you there are national champion wrestlers who suk in mma but would kill anyone ina wrestling match. trust that folks.[/quote']

 

Gsp is gonna smash kos on the 11th.

 

But in a wrestling match kos would get a pin.

[RD350LC_Owner]

So you have the same stance I do on it. That koscheck would beat gsp in a wrestling match. But gsp would beat koscheck on the ground in mma.

 

Because there is so much to learn and grasp that you're just not going to be able to master in a couple months of working with olympians. Koscheck could compete olympically if he did nothing but wrestling for a year to get back into it.

 

Kos wasn't even scouted for the Olympic team. Just to you know. Yes he was a good FOLK style wrestler' date=' but in CANADA and THE OLYMPICS they wrestle[u'] FREESTYLE!![/u] not folk. So If they wrestled folkstyle yeah Kos would win, however if it was a freestyle match I think GSP would beat Kos.

 

Think about the wrestlers GSP trains with. Gia Sissouri- Olympic Silver medalist/World Champ Gold medalist Cleo Nube- Multiple time national Champ, and Olympic Contender Martine Degrunier 3x World Champion, Olympic Contender Daniel Igali Olympic Gold medalist, and Second Place in the World Championships...The List Goes on my friend.

 

So unless they actually wrestle..which I doubt. It will always be a he said she said kinda thing.

 

Personally, Your not scouted for the Olympics if your not good. So I think GSP would win in a wrestling match

[bright508620]

Gsp is gonna smash kos on the 11th.

 

But in a wrestling match kos would get a pin.

 

1st statement is correct. The 2nd one you can't justify at all. You have no clue who would win. You can't compare him to anyone kos has faced. And you don't know who trains more wrestling in their mma training/knows more. You cant say that. Currently we would have no clue. Even if GSP comes out and smashes Koscheck by completely out wrestling him, we still won't know who the better technical wrestler is.

[raoullduke]

GSP has recently stated that he wouldn't be afraid to vs Koscheck in a wrestling match. This is absolutely lol' date=' because the mma shot doesn't work for wrestling and that's all he knows that is even remotely usable for wrestling. GSP doesn't know any standups, reversals, or any takedowns for that matter. Koscheck would slaughter gsp in a wrestling match.

 

 

If you disagree with me you're insane and probably like gsp just a little too much.[/quote']

 

GSP trains with the canadian olympic wrestling team. if he's saying he wouldn't mind wrestling someone i would imagine he understands the difference between MMA wrestling and regular wrestling.

 

i'm not saying who would win or wouldn't win. i'm just saying your logic fails.

[JHenry]

I didnt think anyone actually thought wrestling was the same in competetion form and in mma lol.

[Hendoforpresident]

I didnt think anyone actually thought wrestling was the same in competetion form and in mma lol.

 

some parts, mostly the "im on top of you and ima stay here" part

 

the rest is where these idiots disagree

[JHenry]

some parts' date=' mostly the "im on top of you and ima stay here" part

 

the rest is where these idiots disagree[/quote']

 

**** wrestling is 2x more active than what GSP does. Start deducting points for stalling and he'll go back to snowboarding and eating maple syrup

[DKF]

Of course everyone knows wrestling is different from mma, but I was pointing this out, because gsp thinks he could beat koscheck in a folkstyle wrestling match, which is an arrogant thing to say. Koscheck started wrestling before gsp started karate.

[DKF]

Sure some of my statements have been made out of ignorance, but its not insane to assume that a lifetime of wrestling is > than 15 years of bjj and some training with the best guys in canada.

[dfwGSP]

Of course everyone knows wrestling is different from mma' date=' but I was pointing this out, because gsp thinks he could beat koscheck in a folkstyle wrestling match, which is an arrogant thing to say. Koscheck started wrestling before gsp started karate.[/quote']

 

You do have a point, but GSP is a great athlete and has seems to have picked up wrestling pretty fast.

[RD350LC_Owner]

Sure some of my statements have been made out of ignorance' date=' but its not insane to assume that a lifetime of wrestling is > than 15 years of bjj and some training with the best guys in canada.[/quote']

 

dude its been pretty obvious that BJJ has been neutralized by Wrestling. Look at Nog vs Briltz

[Throw_Bones]

I am currently wrestling in high school(152lbs). I bet i could beat a low touted UFC LW fighter by simply laying an praying. (srs) but thats no fun

 

are you saying you could beat a UFC lightweight in an mma match or in a wrestling match?

 

either or you're off you're rocker they would literally wipe the floor with you.

 

if you really think you're that good why arent you in the ufc

[sid4752]

Scouted for the Olympics? WTF? Since when did the U.S. scout their wrestlers for selection? The people who want to wrestle at the world level train for it a go through as series of qualifier tournaments.

[RD350LC_Owner]

Scouted for the Olympics? WTF? Since when did the U.S. scout their wrestlers for selection? The people who want to wrestle at the world level train for it a go through as series of qualifier tournaments.

 

The US have always Scouted their wrestlers... They see a wrestler they want on the Olympic team and they go and ask them if they want to wrestle for the team, and the US also offers incentive money to join the team and win events.

[munkie]

Having done both, Wrestling and MMA, I can say first hand, that MMA Wrestling and Collegiate Folk or Free Style, or Greco is pretty much the same. Only difference is you have to worry about avoiding subs and strikes and striking. DKF, you are a failure, please murder yourself.

[Yerbo]

GSP has recently stated that he wouldn't be afraid to vs Koscheck in a wrestling match. This is absolutely lol' date=' because the mma shot doesn't work for wrestling and that's all he knows that is even remotely usable for wrestling. GSP doesn't know any standups, reversals, or any takedowns for that matter. Koscheck would slaughter gsp in a wrestling match.

 

 

If you disagree with me you're insane and probably like gsp just a little too much.[/quote']

 

I'd like to put the show on the other foot. Anyone who agrees with you is a mindless GSP hating moron.

 

GSP trains with the Olympic wrestling team and has considered trying to compete in the Olympics so I highly doubt what any of you have said is true. Nice try at making up reality though.

[bright508620]

Well people. Lets just end this thread by saying this:

 

Phil "Mr Wonderful" Davis on his UFC 123 post fight press conference said that MMA is pretty much the same as Wrestling. Its just with more punches. He said the training was pretty much the same.

thats it. Phil Davis brings it out. So therefore im calling GSP the better wrestler imo. But i won't say he is because that can't be justified in any event OTHER than a real WRESTLING MATCH:)