Uwillsubmit Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 is it time he changed his style? its obvious now the top fighters have caught onto how to counter his style and he may not win another fight in the ufc until he does learn a how to be more versatile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendoforpresident Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 he should change it but he wont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHenry Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 No he shouldnt. Shogun KOd machida because he tried to change up his style to be more in and out rather than countering. Just because Rampage won a miracle decision doesnt meen he needs to reprogram himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 LOL! Haters will be haters Machida has only lost two fights in a row, and he BARELY lost this one against Rampage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitali Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 I like his style. I hope he does not change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot_Act101 Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 LOL!Haters will be haters Machida has only lost two fights in a row' date=' and he BARELY lost this one against Rampage.[/quote'] he lost 2 rounds to 1 because he was unwilling to attack and afraid of pages power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOverYou Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 No he shouldnt. Shogun KOd machida because he tried to change up his style to be more in and out rather than countering. Just because Rampage won a miracle decision doesnt meen he needs to reprogram himself said perfectly. Gettin knocked out and losing a robbery of a decision doesnt mean he needs to change it up. He is fighting top competition so its always going to be a tough fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 he lost 2 rounds to 1 because he was unwilling to attack and afraid of pages power So what's your point? He BARELY lost that first round. Personally, I thought he won it. He had every right to be afraid of Rampage's power.. especially after getting KO'd in his last fight. Once he ate that uppercut in the second, and realized that he could take a punch from Rampage (this was the first time 'Page really connected), he turned it on and destroyed him from that point forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 said perfectly. Gettin knocked out and losing a robbery of a decision doesnt mean he needs to change it up. He is fighting top competition so its always going to be a tough fight. he didnt get robbed...he clearly lost the first 2 rounds and now he is fighting the top fighters his style wont bode well against them...he needs to adapt better in fights he has a plan A and thats it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 he didnt get robbed...he clearly lost the first 2 rounds and now he is fighting the top fighters his style wont bode well against them...he needs to adapt better in fights he has a plan A and thats it No, he didn't get robbed. But if you think he CLEARLY lost the first two rounds, then you're drinking the Machida Haterade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 So what's your point?He BARELY lost that first round. Personally' date=' I thought he won it. He had every right to be afraid of Rampage's power.. especially after getting KO'd in his last fight. Once he ate that uppercut in the second, and realized that he could take a punch from Rampage (this was the first time 'Page really connected), he turned it on and destroyed him from that point forward.[/quote'] your definition of detroyed is quite distorted..even when machida landed his one combination for the fight page fired right back and machida went back into his shell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_boxing_myth Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 So what's your point?He BARELY lost that first round. Personally' date=' I thought he won it. He had every right to be afraid of Rampage's power.. especially after getting KO'd in his last fight. Once he ate that uppercut in the second, and realized that he could take a punch from Rampage (this was the first time 'Page really connected), he turned it on and destroyed him from that point forward.[/quote'] machida stunded rampage but rampage also got in a couple clean shots when they broke from the clinch...machida got hurt and went for the takedown......i dont see why everyone says he hurt him bad in the last round when he hurt machida just as bad...if rampage was so hurt why did machida need a takedown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 No' date=' he didn't get robbed. But if you think he CLEARLY lost the first two rounds, then you're drinking the Machida Haterade.[/quote'] he did clearly lose the first 2 rounds...round 2 especially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 machida stunded rampage but rampage also got in a couple clean shots when they broke from the clinch...machida got hurt and went for the takedown......i dont see why everyone says he hurt him bad in the last round when he hurt machida just as bad...if rampage was so hurt why did machida need a takedown? LOL! What exactly did he 'hurt' Lyoto with? He didn't even hit him. Also, once they were on the ground, Lyoto proceeded to school him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 he did clearly lose the first 2 rounds...round 2 especially You must be on the sauce today. The only thing that won him the second round, was the takedown. He's very lucky. The first round SHOULD have gone to Lyoto, but I can understand why it was scored for Rampage. If you think Rampage CLEARLY won the first two rounds, then you have to believe that Lyoto CLEARLY won the first three rounds against Shogun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 You must be on the sauce today.The only thing that won him the second round' date=' was the takedown. He's very lucky. The first round SHOULD have gone to Lyoto, but I can understand why it was scored for Rampage. If you think Rampage CLEARLY won the first two rounds, then you have to believe that Lyoto CLEARLY won the first three rounds against Shogun.[/quote'] it didnt make it out of round 1 v shogun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 it didnt make it out of round 1 v shogun You know exactly what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 machida has lost 3 fights in a row against elite strikers...he is scared of getting hit and he will lose more decisions if he continues with this style...i wanna see him fight franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 machida has lost 3 fights in a row against elite strikers...he is scared of getting hit and he will lose more decisions if he continues with this style...i wanna see him fight franklin LOL! Like I said.. You're sippin' on the Machida Haterade. It's very evident. You can't have it both ways, man. If you think he lost to Shogun in the first fight, then you have to believe that he beat Rampage in this one. Rampage.. an elite striker.. LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 LOL!Like I said.. You're sippin' on the Machida Haterade. It's very evident. You can't have it both ways' date=' man. If you think he lost to Shogun in the first fight, then you have to believe that he beat Rampage in this one. Rampage.. an elite striker.. LMAO![/quote'] why? shogun clearly won 4 of the 5 rounds first time page clearly won 2 of 3 so really machida after not losing a round for how long has lost 7 of the last 9 rounds he has fought....and i like machida but he has been exposed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 why? shogun clearly won 4 of the 5 rounds first time page clearly won 2 of 3 so really machida after not losing a round for how long has lost 7 of the last 9 rounds he has fought....and i like machida but he has been exposed How could you possibly think that Lyoto lost the first round to Rampage, and then believe that Shogun won 4 of 5 against him? If you believe that 'leg kicks win fights', then Lyoto DEFINITELY won the first round against Rampage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_boxing_myth Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 LOL!What exactly did he 'hurt' Lyoto with? He didn't even hit him. Also' date=' once they were on the ground, Lyoto proceeded to school him.[/quote'] when machida actually attacked in the half of the last round rampage also fired back a couple shots that landed clean...look at machidas face expression he was hurt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 when machida actually attacked in the half of the last round rampage also fired back a couple shots that landed clean...look at machidas face expression he was hurt.. LOL! I want some of whatever you're smoking, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 How could you possibly think that Lyoto lost the first round to Rampage' date=' and then believe that Shogun won 4 of 5 against him?If you believe that 'leg kicks win fights', then Lyoto DEFINITELY won the first round against Rampage.[/quote'] shogun pressured had octagon control and landed more strikes verese machida....machida back pedalled didnt attack and landed the same amount of strikes as page....so if striking is even then it goes to octagon control and the agressor...its quite simple homie...page won round one based on that...this is why machida needs to adapt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 shogun pressured had octagon control and landed more strikes verese machida....machida back pedalled didnt attack and landed the same amount of strikes as page....so if striking is even then it goes to octagon control and the agressor...its quite simple homie...page won round one based on that...this is why machida needs to adapt Here's what you're failing to understand.. When Lyoto is making Rampage chase and MISS him, he is controlling the Octagon. Rampage's aggression was completely ineffective, therefore doesn't mean sh*t. If I had the fight handy right now, I would watch it again. I've only seen it once, so I'm just going off memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoToGuy Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 No he shouldnt. Shogun KOd machida because he tried to change up his style to be more in and out rather than countering. Just because Rampage won a miracle decision doesnt meen he needs to reprogram himself Agreed. He lost to Shogun because he was to aggressive and he beat Rampage crap desicion or not. A minor set back dude. Make no mistake, he is coming for his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoToGuy Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 How could you possibly think that Lyoto lost the first round to Rampage' date=' and then believe that Shogun won 4 of 5 against him?If you believe that 'leg kicks win fights', then Lyoto DEFINITELY won the first round against Rampage.[/quote'] This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 This. you are a simple jack arent you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 you are a simple jack arent you You wanna sig bet on Rashad vs Shogun... for old-times sake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_boxing_myth Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 You wanna sig bet on Rashad vs Shogun... for old-times sake? shogun is gonna take him easy....machida lost get over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 You wanna sig bet on Rashad vs Shogun... for old-times sake? yeah for sure..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 shogun is gonna take him easy....machida lost get over it Wasn't talking to you, cracka! There is nothing to get over. I realize Machida lost. I have no problems with it. However, this is a MMA forum, and I come here to debate MMA. I love this sport, and I love discussing it with other people who share my passion. I've debated FOR and AGAINST Lyoto in this fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 yeah for sure..... Rashad, first round KO? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOverYou Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 machida has lost 3 fights in a row against elite strikers...he is scared of getting hit and he will lose more decisions if he continues with this style...i wanna see him fight franklin ur easily becoming one of the most annoying members at this point. I have watched the first round 5 times over now and i cant give rampage that round.... I dont see how "OCTAGON CONTROL" is worth more than striking lol. Machida landed 5 leg kicks before rampage even threw a jab and that was almost half way thru the round. Chances are I wont be around tommorow so you will probably have 15 pages worth of responses, but being the troll that you are, we can probbaly catch up on this in one of the 200 topics you're probably going to make by tommorow afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 ur easily becoming one of the most annoying members at this point. I have watched the first round 5 times over now and i cant give rampage that round.... I dont see how "OCTAGON CONTROL" is worth more than striking lol. Machida landed 5 leg kicks before rampage even threw a jab and that was almost half way thru the round. Chances are I wont be around tommorow so you will probably have 15 pages worth of responses' date=' but being the troll that you are, we can probbaly catch up on this in one of the 200 topics you're probably going to make by tommorow afternoon.[/quote'] Haha.. Submit is actually pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus9mm Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 Here's what you're failing to understand.. When Lyoto is making Rampage chase and MISS him' date=' he is controlling the Octagon. Rampage's aggression was completely ineffective, therefore doesn't mean sh*t. If I had the fight handy right now, I would watch it again. I've only seen it once, so I'm just going off memory.[/quote'] LMAO..............you're delusional. Running away is not Octagon control, no matter what you want to believe. Read the judging criteria. It's amazing your boy even gets a 9-10 round given the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 LMAO..............you're delusional. Running away is not Octagon control' date=' no matter what you want to believe. Read the judging criteria. It's amazing your boy even gets a 9-10 round given the rules.[/quote'] Hahahaha You make me smile, Ex Like I said before.. next time I'm in your neck of the woods, we'll have to sit down and watch the fight together. Then we can kick eachothers asses while we argue about it after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDoogie Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 This happens all the time when a fighters key to winning is an odd style. People WILL figure it out and it WILL backfire on you. Ask Keith Jardine. He agrees. Change Lyoto and change NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 This happens all the time when a fighters key to winning is an odd style. People WILL figure it out and it WILL backfire on you. Ask Keith Jardine. He agrees. Change Lyoto and change NOW! No need. It took two rounds for Lyoto to get the confidence back in his chin. Not only that, but anybody not named Rampage, would have gone down in the third round. Whoever Lyoto fights next, is DOOMED!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 No he shouldnt. Shogun KOd machida because he tried to change up his style to be more in and out rather than countering. Just because Rampage won a miracle decision doesnt meen he needs to reprogram himself Well said. Lyoto will NOT change a style that has been so effective for him and has given so many headaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernmentMule Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 I had Lyoto winning the first and third round, but the judges thought otherwise. The judges didn't like Lyoto's countering style. At the end of the day, Rampage has a win and Lyoto has a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernmentMule Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 No need.It took two rounds for Lyoto to get the confidence back in his chin. Not only that' date=' but anybody not named Rampage, would have gone down in the third round. [b']Whoever Lyoto fights next, is DOOMED!![/b] I hope you're right. I hope Lyoto comes back with a vengeance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epilogue1406051983 Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 Machida doesn't need to change his style too much... I agree he needs some adjustments here and there to remain fresh and versatile but his overall style is still very good, and in many ways is the perfect style to deal with the onslaught of wrestlers in the UFC... if anything what has made him successful was that he found a great balance of aggressiveness and elusiveness... in Shogun 2 he lost that balance by going too aggressive, and in Rampage he went too elusive and respected Rampage's power too much... when he gets another win on his belt and reclaims his confidence, he'll be back to systematically dismantling his opponents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernmentMule Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 Machida doesn't need to change his style too much... I agree he needs some adjustments here and there to remain fresh and versatile but his overall style is still very good' date=' and in many ways is the perfect style to deal with the onslaught of wrestlers in the UFC... if anything what has made him successful was that he found a great balance of aggressiveness and elusiveness... in Shogun 2 he lost that balance by going too aggressive, and in Rampage he went too elusive and respected Rampage's power too much... [b']when he gets another win on his belt and reclaims his confidence, he'll be back to systematically dismantling his opponents...[/b] The losses were good for Lyoto. You learn much more from a loss than you do from a win. We haven't seen the last of Lyoto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 The losses were good for Lyoto. You learn much more from a loss than you do from a win. We haven't seen the last of Lyoto. he didnt learn much if his last 2 fights are to judge him on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 he didnt learn much if his last 2 fights are to judge him on You suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernmentMule Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 he didnt learn much if his last 2 fights are to judge him on "are to judge him on"? Lyoto, in my eyes, won his last fight, but I'm sure he learned a lot from his loss to Shogun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmtl Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 hi seXXXpac! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwillsubmit Posted November 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 "are to judge him on"? Lyoto' date=' in my eyes, won his last fight, but I'm sure he learned a lot from his loss to Shogun.[/quote'] which shogun loss? the first or the second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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