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Is there any place for freak matches left in UFC/MMA?


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Randy v Toney

 

Brock v Mir 1 (Brocks UFC debut)

 

Kimbo v everyone

 

different fights.

 

different outcomes

 

all technically freak matches.

 

Is there any place for open weight, mma novice entrances...etc etc left in UFC/MMA.

 

It is hard to argue with the effect brock had on ppv and exposure of the sport.

 

Its hard to argue with the Kimbo effect on TUF viewing figures.

 

your opinions...

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Brock vs Mir wasn't a freakshow at all

neither really was Toney vs Couture as both men are combat sport specialists

 

freak show fights are things such as

 

Tim Sylvia vs Mariusz Pudzianowski

Kimbo vs Ray Mercer

 

and yes there is always going to room for them cause "freaks" such as Pudz and Kimbo will always attract attention

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imo tooney vs couture definitely was a freakshow, im pretty sure dana even adressed it as such.

 

but mir vs brock was a legitimate fight since brock had already fought a couple of fights before. (or maybe it was just 1)

 

and i voted occasionally, they should never be main events but it can be very entertaining some times.

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Brock vs Mir wasn't a freakshow at all

neither really was Toney vs Couture as both men are combat sport specialists

 

freak show fights are things such as

 

Tim Sylvia vs Mariusz Pudzianowski

Kimbo vs Ray Mercer

 

and yes there is always going to room for them cause "freaks" such as Pudz and Kimbo will always attract attention

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

The comparison between the two hinges on the criticism landed on the Toney fight.

 

Yes Brock had fought and beaten one guy, however he didnt get to his contender status via what he had proved in MMA.

 

Calling Brock a combat sport specialist at that point is something id contend.

 

I know you are talking amateur wrestling here, but i consider combat sports at that level Boxing, MMA and TMA full contact.

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Thanks for the reply.

 

The comparison between the two hinges on the criticism landed on the Toney fight.

 

Yes Brock had fought and beaten one guy' date=' however he didnt get to his contender status via what he had proved in MMA.

 

Calling Brock a combat sport specialist at that point is something id contend.[/quote']

 

The reason why i say Brock fights are not freak show fights is because he has proven himself as a mixed martial artist, and I wouldn't like to think that the HW champ of the top organisation for 2 years was considered a "freak". Frank Mir and Randy Couture are two of the UFC's greatest ever fighters and he beat both of them in UFC Championship fights, to not consider him a mixed martial artist after that is ignorant. We all know he got his title shot based on the money he draws rather than his credentials but by winning the fight against Randy he showed he can sit atop the HW division, he had a very exciting run as champion and as all reigns do, his ended against Cain.

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imo tooney vs couture definitely was a freakshow' date=' [b']im pretty sure dana even adressed it as such.[/b]

 

but mir vs brock was a legitimate fight since brock had already fought a couple of fights before. (or maybe it was just 1)

 

and i voted occasionally, they should never be main events but it can be very entertaining some times.

 

keep in mind he is a promoter and his aim is to make money. just because DW says it does NOT make it fact.

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Thank you for your reply.

 

I was referring to his UFC debut off the back of one win in another org.

 

Obviously he was surfing on pro wrestling hype, genetics, athletics and amateur wrestling background at that point.

 

I would consider anyone, including Toney, a Mixed Martial Artist after they fight in the octagon/cage.

 

That doesnt make them any good, but i respect the fact they did it.

 

Past that point they are indeed judged on their record. And to a lesser extent their skills.

 

True skills take years of course and it is debatable how far Lesnar has progressed.

 

What is not debatable, is that he is a legit MMA guy, via fighting and winning in that context.

 

The reason why i say Brock fights are not freak show fights is because he has proven himself as a mixed martial artist' date=' and I wouldn't like to think that the HW champ of the top organisation for 2 years was considered a "freak". Frank Mir and Randy Couture are two of the UFC's greatest ever fighters and he beat both of them in UFC Championship fights, to not consider him a mixed martial artist after that is ignorant. We all know he got his title shot based on the money he draws rather than his credentials but by winning the fight against Randy he showed he can sit atop the HW division, he had a very exciting run as champion and as all reigns do, his ended against Cain.[/quote']
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Thank you for your reply.

 

I was referring to his UFC debut off the back of one win in another org.

 

Obviously he was surfing on pro wrestling hype' date=' genetics, athletics and amateur wrestling background at that point.[/quote']

 

That's not an issue for me, Cain Velasquez got into the UFC on 3 wins i believe, Matt Mittrione lost on TUF and got in with 0 pro fights, I don't think he'll be champion ever again but at the time he came into the UFC he was top3 heavyweight from the word go, although thats probably more to do with the state of HW in MMA rather than Brock being great.

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That's not an issue for me' date=' Cain Velasquez got into the UFC on 3 wins i believe, Matt Mittrione lost on TUF and got in with 0 pro fights, I don't think he'll be champion ever again but at the time he came into the UFC he was top3 heavyweight from the word go, although thats probably more to do with the state of HW in MMA rather than Brock being great.[/quote']

Thanks for your reply

 

The major difference is the level of competition and position on the contenders ladder.

 

But i take your point about the UFC not being exclusive in itself.

 

Although that is the image of course.

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Randy v Toney

 

Brock v Mir

 

Kimbo v everyone

 

different fights.

 

different outcomes

 

all technically freak matches.

 

Is there any place for open weight' date=' mma novice entrances...etc etc left in UFC/MMA.

 

It is hard to argue with the effect brock had on ppv and exposure of the sport.

 

Its hard to argue with the Kimbo effect on TUF viewing figures.

 

your opinions...[/quote']

 

Shaq said Ufc Heavy weights are bums

Hes 38 now gonna play Nba till 40

Said he wants 1 mma match (just 1) before hes too old

 

Shaq Vs anyone

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Shaq said Ufc Heavy weights are bums

Hes 38 now gonna play Nba till 40

Said he wants 1 mma match (just 1) before hes too old

 

Shaq Vs anyone

 

he wants to fight Hong Man Choi and if the fight happens,we will have a winner for the biggest freak fight ever

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