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Right now there aren;t many fighters who are unbeaten and those who are have only had 10-13 fights.

 

In boxing fighters would go 20-0 to even as high as 42-0 and some maybe even higher, we almost never see this in mma;

 

Who are some fighters who had a long unbeaten streak to start their careers.

 

Fedor (32-0) (he lost his 5th fight but it was due to an ilgeal strike and should be a NC)

Miguel Torres (20-0) then a lose that he would avenge and go 37-1

Sean Sherk (15-0) then a draw then (19-0-1)

Diego Sanchez (17-0)

Tim Syliva (16-0)

Lyoto Machida (16-0)

Alexander Shlemenko (15-0)

Brock Larson (15-0)

Rich Fraklin (14-0) would lose 15th fight then go (22-1)

Takanori Gomi (14-0)

Michael Bisping (14-0)

Rashad Evans (10-0) then a draw then (13-0-1)

Thiago Silva (13-0)

Cody McKenzie (12-0)

Renato Sobral (12-0)

Ryan Bader (12-0)

Eddie Alvarez (10-0)

Joseph Benavidez (10-0)

 

(alot of people have gotten 9-0)

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Right now there aren;t many fighters who are unbeaten and those who are have only had 10-13 fights.

 

In boxing fighters would go 20-0 to even as high as 42-0 and some maybe even higher' date=' we almost never see this in mma;

 

Who are some fighters who had a long unbeaten streak to start their careers.

 

Fedor (32-0) (he lost his 5th fight but it was due to an ilgeal strike and should be a NC)

Miguel Torres (20-0) then a lose that he would avenge and go 37-1

Sean Sherk (15-0) then a draw then (19-0-1)

Diego Sanchez (17-0)

Tim Syliva (16-0)

Lyoto Machida (16-0)

Alexander Shlemenko (15-0)

Brock Larson (15-0)

Rich Fraklin (14-0) would lose 15th fight then go (22-1)

Takanori Gomi (14-0)

Michael Bisping (14-0)

Rashad Evans (10-0) then a draw then (13-0-1)

Thiago Silva (13-0)

Cody McKenzie (12-0)

Renato Sobral (12-0)

Ryan Bader (12-0)

Eddie Alvarez (10-0)

Joseph Benavidez (10-0)

 

(alot of people have gotten 9-0)[/quote']

 

ufc is the best of the best thats why, and mma is the apex of combative sports, so the best people from sub levels, like wrestling,BJJ,kickboxing, Boxing etc try to compete in mma to be the best fighter in the world, fighters like randy couture probably has 200 amateur wrestling wins army and college combined and chuck liddell had 20 kickboxing wins prior to mma

 

and boxing they fight alot of scrubs,

 

Fedor didnt lose to a illegal strike fedor had a cut get opened where the fight was called do to the cut

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True, but what's your point?

 

MMA doesn't have the numbers that boxing has, meaning it doesn't take as long to reach the elite level (or whichever level you start dropping losses at) so streaks don't get as big as we might have seen in boxing.

 

Also, MMA has largely avoided the practise of 'padding' records by fighting below your level - you'd never see a similar situation as the Haye-Klitschko or Mayweather-Pacquiao non-fights in the UFC, because the champs tend to fight the best contender at Dana & co.'s behest, rather than making excuses and choosing to fight lesser opposition to avoid a potential loss.

 

It seems to me that guys like Mayweather and the Klitschkos are padding their record and trying to stay as champion longer by avoiding credible challengers (well, actually other champions, given boxing's convoluted structure) like Haye and Manny.

 

This 'padding' only starts happening at top level MMA when a dominant champion (Anderson or GSP) has pretty much cleaned out theit division and has to start fighting guys theyve already beaten or guys who only have a slim chance of beating them, as opposed to taking easier title defences out of fear and narcissism.

 

So quite often you see guys with their winning streak at the start and once they reach their level, their record starts falling to 'one win, one loss' as they keep trying to move on up but losing but can still beat all the guys below them - good examples being guys like Thiago Silva or Kenny Florian.

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True' date=' but what's your point?

 

MMA doesn't have the numbers that boxing has, meaning it doesn't take as long to reach the elite level (or whichever level you start dropping losses at) so streaks don't get as big as we might have seen in boxing.

 

Also, MMA has largely avoided the practise of 'padding' records by fighting below your level - you'd never see a similar situation as the Haye-Klitschko or Mayweather-Pacquiao non-fights in the UFC, because the champs tend to fight the best contender at Dana & co.'s behest, rather than making excuses and choosing to fight lesser opposition to avoid a potential loss.

 

It seems to me that guys like Mayweather and the[b'] Klitschkos [/b]are padding their record and trying to stay as champion longer by avoiding credible challengers (well, actually other champions, given boxing's convoluted structure) like Haye and Manny.

 

This 'padding' only starts happening at top level MMA when a dominant champion (Anderson or GSP) has pretty much cleaned out theit division and has to start fighting guys theyve already beaten or guys who only have a slim chance of beating them, as opposed to taking easier title defences out of fear and narcissism.

 

So quite often you see guys with their winning streak at the start and once they reach their level, their record starts falling to 'one win, one loss' as they keep trying to move on up but losing but can still beat all the guys below them - good examples being guys like Thiago Silva or Kenny Florian.

 

Lol, they only have themselves to fight to see whose the best. They don't mind being 1a and 1b. But I agree with the rest of what you said.

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Lol' date=' they only have themselves to fight to see whose the best. They don't mind being 1a and 1b. But I agree with the rest of what you said.[/quote']

 

Could be true, but they seem to be scared of fighting Haye who could be a threat and would rather take a lesser money defence against Chisora.

 

Whether they ARE the best (as years of dominance seems to indicate) remains to be seen, because they seem unwilling to take the fight with Haye - surely if you are so sure you were the best, you'd want to finish up as a unified champion with you and your bro holding all three world titles (which is a ridiculous state for a sport to be in, by the by) but instead they seem to be avoiding Haye and taking fights against no-names.

 

The only answer must be...they are scared, and thats not a fighting champion's move.

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Right now there aren;t many fighters who are unbeaten and those who are have only had 10-13 fights.

 

In boxing fighters would go 20-0 to even as high as 42-0 and some maybe even higher' date=' we almost never see this in mma;[/quote']

 

Promising Boxers will fight journeymen to pad their records and to gain experience in the ring. Thats why they have records like 20-0 etc.

 

Ricky Hatton ''coming out fight'' was against Kostya Tszyu.

Ricky was on 39 - 0 at that time.

 

He then went 6 - 2 after that fight. Finally fighting top competition.

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Could be true' date=' but they seem to be scared of fighting Haye who could be a threat and would rather take a lesser money defence against Chisora.

 

Whether they ARE the best (as years of dominance seems to indicate) remains to be seen, because they seem unwilling to take the fight with Haye - surely if you are so sure you were the best, you'd want to finish up as a unified champion with you and your bro holding all three world titles (which is a ridiculous state for a sport to be in, by the by) but instead they seem to be avoiding Haye and taking fights against no-names.

 

The only answer must be...they are scared, and thats not a fighting champion's move.[/quote']

 

Wlad had a deal with Haye but both declined due to their schedules. I don't think they're afraid, not with the trash that's been talked.

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Wlad had a deal with Haye but both declined due to their schedules. I don't think they're afraid' date=' not with the trash that's been talked.[/quote']

 

Trash talk is often used to disguise the fact that you don't want a fight. Basically, Wlad wanted 2/3 of the money and the fight to be in Germany, Haye wanted 2/3 of the money and the fight to be in England.

 

In order to get the fight signed, Haye offered 50/50 and a fight wherever, but Wlad still decided to sign with Chisora...

 

Wlad CHOSE to get most of a small pie and a pretty much guaranteed win on his record which doesn't add to his legacy one bit instead of half of a HUGE pie and either going out as a fighter who took a risk and went down fighting or as the unified champion.

 

All the smack talk in the world doesn't disguise the fact that Wlad chose the weak option...

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Promising Boxers will fight journeymen to pad their records and to gain experience in the ring. Thats why they have records like 20-0 etc.

 

Ricky Hatton ''coming out fight'' was against Kostya Tszyu.

Ricky was on 39 - 0 at that time.

 

He then went 6 - 2 after that fight. Finally fighting top competition.

 

IMO these "padded" records are needed.

 

people tend to call anyone in the UFC the best even if they have only had 9-10 fights,

 

I dont understand how you can be considered the best when you dont have to prove it.

You should have to beat your share of "cans" to get a shot in the UFC.

 

Its not like MMA fighters fight the best guys all the time, thats BS MMA has a habit of calling someone top competition even before they prove it.

 

IMO MMA needs people to fight 15-20 cans so we can see who actually is the best instead of someone beating one named fighter and all of a sudden there the best.

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IMO these "padded" records are needed.

 

people tend to call anyone in the UFC the best even if they have only had 9-10 fights' date='

 

I dont understand how you can be considered the best when you dont have to prove it.

You should have to beat your share of "cans" to get a shot in the UFC.

 

Its not like MMA fighters fight the best guys all the time, thats BS MMA has a habit of calling someone top competition even before they prove it.

 

IMO MMA needs people to fight 15-20 cans so we can see who actually is the best instead of someone beating one named fighter and all of a sudden there the best.[/quote']

 

Only problem if you want an MMA fighter to pad his record ie 30 - 0 you know how long that will take? Cain Velasquez is 9 - 0 atm. So he prolly need another 5 more years for him to get that kind of record (without gettin injured) to then warrent facing the champ. It doesnt make sence tbh. He would be wasting his time fighting bums....

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Only problem if you want an MMA fighter to pad his record ie 30 - 0 you know how long that will take? Cain Velasquez is 9 - 0 atm. So he prolly need another 5 more years for him to get that kind of record (without gettin injured) to then warrent facing the champ. It doesnt make sence tbh. He would be wasting his time fighting bums....

 

well IMO Cain got into the UFC to early in his career, he was like 2-0 or something,

 

but Cain has proved himself .

 

Its alot easyer to win more fights in smaller leagues, Im not saying they need to go 30-0 im just saying they should have 17-20 fights before being considered one of the best and going into the UFC,

 

they dont even need to be 17-0 just have a decent record to show you do deserve to be iin the UFFC

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well IMO Cain got into the UFC to early in his career' date=' he was like 2-0 or something,

 

but Cain has proved himself .

 

Its alot easyer to win more fights in smaller leagues, Im not saying they need to go 30-0 im just saying they should have 17-20 fights before being considered one of the best and going into the UFC,

 

they dont even need to be 17-0 just have a decent record to show you do deserve to be iin the UFFC[/quote']

 

So with your logic, Cain as a 9 - 0 fighter, the prime he is now. Wouldnt / shouldnt be in the ufc. Because as you said x fighter should have around 15 fights before going to the ufc.

That be most of the ufc roaster then will be fighting for SF.

 

GSP entered the ufc on 6 - 0.

So by your logic. he would need another 10 more fights before he deserves to fight in the ufc.

 

I dont agree with you.

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ufc is the best of the best thats why' date=' and mma is the apex of combative sports, so the best people from sub levels, like wrestling,BJJ,kickboxing, Boxing etc try to compete in mma to be the best fighter in the world, fighters like randy couture probably has 200 amateur wrestling wins army and college combined and chuck liddell had 20 kickboxing wins prior to mma

 

and boxing they fight alot of scrubs,

 

[b']Fedor didnt lose to a illegal strike fedor had a cut get opened where the fight was called do to the cut[/b]

 

If you're going to make false statements about things that you know nothing about, atleast say it in an intelligible sentence

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Promising Boxers will fight journeymen to pad their records and to gain experience in the ring. Thats why they have records like 20-0 etc.

 

Ricky Hatton ''coming out fight'' was against Kostya Tszyu.

Ricky was on 39 - 0 at that time.

 

He then went 6 - 2 after that fight. Finally fighting top competition.

 

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Padding record isn't good IMO, i think you need to slowly increase the competition in each fight until the fighter has peaked, then slow it down in competition. Kind of like what Fedor has done.

 

Promising Boxers will fight journeymen to pad their records and to gain experience in the ring. Thats why they have records like 20-0 etc.

 

Ricky Hatton ''coming out fight'' was against Kostya Tszyu.

Ricky was on 39 - 0 at that time.

 

He then went 6 - 2 after that fight. Finally fighting top competition.

 

However, the two losses were to the number 1 & 2 'P4P' best fighters in the world, there was no shame in losing to them like some people try to make out.

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Padding record isn't good IMO' date=' i think you need to slowly increase the competition in each fight until the fighter has peaked, then slow it down in competition. Kind of like what Fedor has done.

 

 

 

However, the two losses were to the number 1 & 2 'P4P' best fighters in the world, there was no shame in losing to them like some people try to make out.[/quote']

 

Yeah i know, i was just giving an example of being 39 fights before he had his breakthrough fight.

No shame in losing to Mayweather & Pac Man. Mad respect for him.

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Yeah i know' date=' i was just giving an example of being 39 fights before he had his breakthrough fight.

No shame in losing to Mayweather & Pac Man. Mad respect for him.[/quote']

 

yeah but its not like he faught complete bums with 12-20 records he built his way up like you should,

 

you need to face low level fighters for your first few fights and slowly move up in competition not just have a few fights then start fighting the best in the world,

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what also facters in is the fact that the pool of fighters u can fight is huge in boxing...look at the ufc...they have only like 20 fighters in a weight call if that...and it does not help that 2 org. will not let other fighters fight their guy...which in boxing other promotions will have interpromotional fights

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