Junglebird Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Pre Matt Serra GSP (Before he got KTFO) Post Matt Serra GSP (After the devastating loss he still talks about in every countdown show) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMac614 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Just GSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EccentricMeat Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Pre-Matt Serra. He went out there to impress people, not to just dominate his opponents at whatever their weakest area is. Don't get me wrong, it's smart, and it's still entertaining, but it just doesn't match up to what he used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted March 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Just GSP Honestly, me too;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Pre Serra was pretty exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalClegg Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Pre Serra was pretty exciting. agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMac614 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Pre Serra was pretty exciting. What about Hughes 3 and Serra 2?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 What about Hughes 3 and Serra 2?? And Fitch.. And Penn.. And Alves.. And Koscheck.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMac614 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 And Fitch..And Penn.. And Alves.. And Koscheck.. Yea, but he wont agree with those. Hes a hater, but he cant deny Hughes 3 and Serra 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Yea' date=' but he wont agree with those. Hes a hater, but he cant deny Hughes 3 and Serra 2.[/quote'] Sure he can.. An aging, one-dimensional fighter.. and a lightweight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TapDatChin Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Pre KO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbeast28 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 This is a 2010er thread please lower your intelligence before posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMac614 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Sure he can..An aging' date=' one-dimensional fighter.. and a lightweight [/quote'] Lol I meant excitement wise not how good they were. And this whole thread is fail because GSP has never been knocked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfessorX Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Lol I meant excitement wise not how good they were. And this whole thread is fail because GSP has never been knocked out. True - He latched on to Mike McCarthy's leg so Matt Serra would stop hurting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMac614 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 True - He latched on to Mike McCarthy's leg so Matt Serra would stop hurting him. But what happened in the 2nd fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 But what happened in the 2nd fight? He beat the lesser lw fighter like he should have done in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheradon Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I voted Post. He's become more complete than ever, more dominant than ever and better than ever since that fight. The post GSP would beat the pre GSP IMO. I've enjoyed watching the transformation into the tactical, smart, complete fighter he's become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EccentricMeat Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I voted Post. He's become more complete than ever' date=' more dominant than ever and better than ever since that fight. The post GSP would beat the pre GSP IMO. I've enjoyed watching the transformation into the tactical, smart, complete fighter he's become.[/quote'] You mean that the guy in his prime who's fighting smarter/safer would beat a young, fearless fighter who still has a lot to learn? Bold prediction there, sir.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reapers_bane Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Pre-Serra was a exciting GSP. but gay members like post cuz of the spandex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reapers_bane Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I voted Post. He's become more complete than ever' date=' more dominant than ever and better than ever since that fight. The post GSP would beat the pre GSP IMO. I've enjoyed watching the transformation into the tactical, smart, complete fighter he's become.[/quote'] you just like the spandex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengu Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 well post serra is good for his "legacy" his arguably #1 p4p. so to him he wants to finish, but then more importantly he wants to win. Whats more exciting ofcourse pre-matt serra, however you cant deny his racked up plently of wins despite how he wins it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottythai Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Anyone who said post is just lame and loves man cuddling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War_l0rd Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Anyone who said post is just lame and loves man cuddling. GSP p4p no1, gtfo and watch K1 scrub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JahGreen Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I honestly think the first GSP will finish the second GSP in the second round via TKO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCisGSP Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Just GSP Honestly' date=' me too;)[/quote'] Me three A con for the Post Serra GSP - He is a more skilled, more experienced and more composed GSP. He is a more intelligent fighter than he was before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 which one would win if they fought? the sprawling striker gsp who uses takedowns every now and then, or the takedown first ask questions later gsp with dominant top control and submission attempts that are designed not to hurt the opponent too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCisGSP Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 which one would win if they fought? the sprawling striker gsp who uses takedowns every now and then' date=' or the takedown first ask questions later gsp with dominant top control and submission attempts that are designed not to hurt the opponent too much.[/quote'] Post Serra would win, due to better fighting intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Seems this poll is clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobilator Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Post Serra would win' date=' due to better fighting intelligence.[/quote'] This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 If by intelligence you mean Greg Jackson ***** footing then ya. Only the most hardcore of gsp fans voted post Serra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobilator Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 If by intelligence you mean Greg Jackson ***** footing then ya. Only the most hardcore of gsp fans voted post Serra. Silent dont fall in the delusinal trolling is bring noting then more hatred in the forum . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot_Act101 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Post Serra. He is a better fighter now than ever, and he will only improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JahGreen Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 The GSP of now is dominant as hell no doubt..But I miss the GSP who is here to side kick your head into the second row of the corwd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCisGSP Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 If by intelligence you mean Greg Jackson ***** footing then ya. Only the most hardcore of gsp fans voted post Serra. I did not vote at all. GSP is one of the best fighters in the world period. He is too intelligent to fall into the ridiculously stupid traps that his opponents try to set for him' date=' by trash talking. He plans (yes, with the help of Greg Jackson) every round of every fight, and he wins every one of them. GSP was a great fighter pre-Serra and has only improved Post-Serra. Post Serra. He is a better fighter now than ever, and he will only improve. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I did not vote at all. GSP is one of the best fighters in the world period.He is too intelligent to fall into the ridiculously stupid traps that his opponents try to set for him' date=' by trash talking. He plans (yes, with the help of Greg Jackson)[b'] every round of every fight[/b], and he wins every one of them. GSP was a great fighter pre-Serra and has only improved Post-Serra. Indeed. He has to as he has no intentions of finishing the fight ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiletSeat Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Since the Serra loss GSP has bulked up and is gameplanning against his opponents strengths, he is no doubt a better fighter, but it has a cost with his excitement factor being lowered IMO as he takes less risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 He has to as he has no intentions of finishing the fight ; ) Since you are a BJ fan, can you name 1 WW that GSP couldn't finish that BJ has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Since you are a BJ fan' date=' can you name 1 WW that GSP couldn't finish that BJ has?[/quote'] Seems silly as Bj is a lw fighter. Guy weighed in at 167 against Fitch and was still wearing jeans and shoes lol. Gsp whines over a few pounds when you have guys like Bj stepping up at every chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobilator Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Seems silly as Bj is a lw fighter. Guy weighed in at 167 against Fitch and was still wearing jeans and shoes lol. Gsp whines over a few pounds when you have guys like Bj stepping up at every chance. U know the record of BJ at WW right ? He not a exemple of how to jump class . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Seems silly as Bj is a lw fighter. Guy weighed in at 167 against Fitch and was still wearing jeans and shoes lol. Gsp whines over a few pounds when you have guys like Bj stepping up at every chance. Bj does step up, but doesn't really beat anyone top 5. And he may be a LW, but he was a WW champ, so no excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 U know the record of BJ at WW right ? He not a exemple of how to jump class . Became champ, and has only lost to the #1 and #2 best ww champs of all time. All while being half the size of his opponents. He can't even make 170 with 0 cutting lol. At least gsp would still be cutting around 10 pounds at 185 and hell Anderson is even offering a catchweight but gsp is won't step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Became champ' date=' and has only lost to the #1 and #2 best ww champs of all time. All while being half the size of his opponents. He can't even make 170 with 0 cutting lol. At least gsp would still be cutting around 10 pounds at 185 and hell Anderson is even offering a catchweight but [b']gsp is won't step up[/b]. You do know he has an opponent, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 You do know he has an opponent' date=' right?[/quote'] Hasn't stopped him from talking about it and whining about weight and how much he has to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crangs Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 If the question was " Which GSP do you think is a better fighter?" I'd have answered Post Serra. But since it's which GSP do you like better? Definitely Pre Serra. In fact, I'd say Pre Fitch. I'm actually no longer excited to watch his fights. UFC 100, Was more interested in Brock v Mir and Hendo v Bisping 111. Mir v Carwin 124, Alves v Howard. I wanted to watch the Penn fight most at UFC 94 and wasn't too bothered who won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Hasn't stopped him from talking about it and whining about weight and how much he has to lose. He talks about it because he's asked about it. And why wouldn't he talk about weight? Don't you have to gain WEIGHT to move up in WEIGHT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentson Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 He talks about it because he's asked about it. And why wouldn't he talk about weight? Don't you have to gain WEIGHT to move up in WEIGHT? Then why shouldn't we talk about it even though he does have an opponent in front of him? And I didn't say that talks about weight, I said he whines about weight. Anderson got tired of his games and offered a catch weight. Anderson's size advantage is actually his disadvantage now as he has to cut a significant amount of weight. Lets see if gsp mans up, personally I doubt it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mg10 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Both are great, but Post GSP is just a better fighter. I loved Pre-Serra GSP too and that GSP was very good, but was young and needed to focus more on strategy. The Post-Serra GSP would beat the Pre-Serra GSP I think, just because he keeps improving all the time. The competition GSP has fought has gotten better since the Matt Serra loss as well. Compare the two and its clear that GSP has faced tougher oppenents. Pre-Serra GSP: Miller Trigg Sherk Penn Hughes (Good fighters but not as good as the fighters that will be mentioned next). Post-Serra GSP: Koscheck (Better version of Trigg even in 2007) Hughes Serra Fitch (Better than Sherk at welterweight in my opinion, could be wrong) BJ Penn (I would say better than the BJ Penn from 2006 because he was a dominant lightweight champ in 2009) Alves (Better than Miller was in 2005 when he fought GSP in 2009) Hardy Koscheck II (Better than Koscheck in 2007 and I think the 2010 version could take anyone on the other list for sure except BJ Penn and maybe Hughes). My point is GSP has fought better oppenents in his current run than ever before and has dominated them all. Perphaps he does not finish as much as he used to, but he is facing tougher competition. I know a lot of people find Pre-Serra GSP to be more exciting and thats fine, but I think Post-Serra GSP is a better fighter. I did not vote either though because I have been a fan of GSP both Pre-Serra and Post-Serra. However I think Post-GSP is better because he trains smarter and prepares better for each fight and of course has improved as all fighters do as their careers progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobilator Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Then why shouldn't we talk about it even though he does have an opponent in front of him? And I didn't say that talks about weight' date=' I said he whines about weight. Anderson got tired of his games and offered a catch weight. Anderson's size advantage is actually his disadvantage now as he has to cut a significant amount of weight. Lets see if gsp mans up, personally I doubt it though.[/quote'] Silent man what happen to u , i remember some nice debate we have togheter and now u just fall in the troll band wagon who put there hatred in fron of there judgment . I miss the old Silent :_( . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interbizman Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 the only reason Gsp is not rated as the best of the best or the P4P is he does not have a record of finishing fights...he is awsome everywhere else...but KO's and devistating TKO's really are not his strength....but you cant take away from what he does really good.......cuz what he does really good.......he is really good at!!! Anderson Silva...although debated by many....is the P4P best.....and he is a little knotch above GSP cuz he finishes fights...and alot of them in devistating fashion...thats all the difference is....cuz in there own rights..in there own element....they are both awsome. He has an awsome record, alot of great wins over great fighters...and he certainly has earned every bit of his awsome reputation..but he jsut comes up short on the finishes...thats my opinion anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seXXXpac Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 If by intelligence you mean Greg Jackson ***** footing then ya. Only the most hardcore of gsp fans voted post Serra. I didn't even vote at all. I dislike the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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