super_eurasian Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 This is my first thread and the shogun fight prompted me to ask this but he really did look gassed in the first round and I know he was hurt in the third but the body shot sealed it for jones so was it his cardio problems that truley got exposed BTW i'm not making excuses for the guy he is one of my favourites but what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeusx18 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 This is my first thread and the shogun fight prompted me to ask this but he really did look gassed in the first round and I know he was hurt in the third but the body shot sealed it for jones so was it his cardio problems that truley got exposed BTW i'm not making excuses for the guy he is one of my favourites but what do you guys think? Who knows? Only Shogun does but he was just completely overwhelmed by Jones so it probably wouldn't have made a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chute_Boxe_Champion Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 i think it was definatly a factor that being said there was no way Jones was losing that fight tonight, he was determined and cashing cheques and breaking necks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Bearcat Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 No. Jones' domination did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 i think he got rocked early and didn't recover, his explosiveness was nowhere to be seen. Also he seemed to have underestimated jones striking. Shogun refused to throw leg kicks, and by the time he threw one it was so slow bones easily caught it and took him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crangs Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 It's easy to look gassed when you've been completely man handled for 5 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kachuks Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 He hasn't had good cardio since he entered the UFC. Look back at the Griffin fight. Forrest completely exposed it. And so did old man Coleman. Shogun needs a new strength and conditioning coach and needs to realize that his leg kick is not the end all to every fight. Rogan once said it the only thing you can control in a fight is your cardio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orch311 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 He was rocked hard, i believe that is what gasses shogun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_radly1406052482 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 No. Jones' domination did. i think he got rocked early and didn't recover' date=' his explosiveness was nowhere to be seen. Also he seemed to have underestimated jones striking. Shogun refused to throw leg kicks, and by the time he threw one it was so slow bones easily caught it and took him down.[/quote'] It's easy to look gassed when you've been completely man handled for 5 minutes all this, and the kick he took along with the combos in the first. This will take your will and your gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiousmat Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 no way Shogun's layoff was a factor in this fight. He actually said he was in full health for the first time in years, his knees were ok that means he could train harder than ever for this fight. his cardio should've been great. Jones just took the life outta him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_eurasian Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 He hasn't had good cardio since he entered the UFC. Look back at the Griffin fight. Forrest completely exposed it. And so did old man Coleman. Shogun needs a new strength and conditioning coach and needs to realize that his leg kick is not the end all to every fight. Rogan once said it the only thing you can control in a fight is your cardio. I dont know he went five full hard rounds with machida and looked fine but in this jones fight he did'nt even try to set up leg kick combos or anything he just got outclassed tonight i guess....which is really quite sad to see such a great go down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlurSlammer Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Of course the lay off had something to do with it !!!!! And since he was on bottom the whole 1st round doesnt help either......... I mean isnt it that obvious people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team_spahr Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 i think he was trying too much off his back which tired him out while already trying to defend jones` attack. he looked like a slob at the end of the 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalk Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Everyone can hypothesize and postulate as to why Shogun lost, but the fact is that he didn't just lose, he was dominated in EVERY aspect of MMA. This is the same thing that has happened to all of Jones's other opponents. I remember reading threads about how Ryan Bader looked like crap, Hamill looked like crap, etc... The fact is, it's hard as hell to look good when you're being dominated from bell to bell. Jones does a great job at executing his plan and making fighters fight HIS fight due to the masterminds he has affiliated himself with. His dominance is because he has confidence and he does his homework to nullify any strengths his opponents bring to the fight, just as GSP has done thus far. The only difference is that GSP skipped the chapter about finishing his opponents. There must not have been a French translation for those sections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokesyboy Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 i think he got rocked early and didn't recover' date=' his explosiveness was nowhere to be seen. Also he seemed to have underestimated jones striking. Shogun refused to throw leg kicks, and by the time he threw one it was so slow bones easily caught it and took him down.[/quote'] this is a possibility, i think he got hurt badly in the first plus jones was on top of him for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crangs Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Does anyone think Shogun actually looked clueless about what to do with Jones? Didn't look like he had any real gameplan and was just trying to wing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Jones knocked the crap out of him early and was never given time to recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalClegg Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 From a big Rua fan my boy was done four minutes into the first god damn round. I'm actually very sad and ****ed up atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlast69 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Does anyone think Shogun actually looked clueless about what to do with Jones? Didn't look like he had any real gameplan and was just trying to wing it. This^. Shogun didn't even utlize his famous leg kicks, or set up anything. He kept attempting leg locks, which failed. I think he should've taken Jones down when he had Jones in a back clinch. But nontheless, Shogun was dominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiel Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 This is my first thread and the shogun fight prompted me to ask this but he really did look gassed in the first round and I know he was hurt in the third but the body shot sealed it for jones so was it his cardio problems that truley got exposed BTW i'm not making excuses for the guy he is one of my favourites but what do you guys think? No it had no effect in this fight. He said himself he was in better shape then the machida fights, was 100% healthy and ready to go. He was simply overwhelmed by Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_eurasian Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I agree it was like I said ealier it looked like he had no real idea of setting anything up? He seemed to have that problem with bigger guys except he could always take them down before but not with jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_eurasian Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I am totally with you Buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 This^. Shogun didn't even utlize his famous leg kicks' date=' or set up anything. He kept attempting leg locks, which failed. I think he should've taken Jones down when he had Jones in a back clinch. But nontheless, Shogun was dominated.[/quote'] How could he? If he would throw leg kicks he would get countered by Jones huge lenghty arms. JBJ is just to strong for Shogun. The only thing he could have MAYBE do differently was not to attempt any submissions or takedowns when he had Jones back, but to just unload to the body or head from behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientAstronaut Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Does anyone think Shogun actually looked clueless about what to do with Jones? Didn't look like he had any real gameplan and was just trying to wing it. i thought the exact same thing. after he got rocked he never fully recovered imo. if he did have a game plan, which i'm sure he did being the veteran that he is...it went right out the window once bones put the pressure on him. he looked lost out there, almost scared at times. i think he slightly underestimated his opponent and paid a heavy price for it. the fact that he ended up tapping to strikes just as the fight was being stopped says alot about his mindset during that one, i never, EVER would have said shogun would tap to strikes, the guys a warrior, but it looked like bones just sapped all the confidence out of him with his strength, speed, and general all round dominance that we saw. It wasn't a case of shogun not being prepared for the fight, his cardio would not have been an issue, it was just that bones is THAT GOD DAMN GOOD! he proved that tonight, he is the real deal and here to stay for a long time. i cant think of anyone that's guna dethrone him. rashad will be steamrolled. bones vs machida would be interesting but i think bones wrestling would be too much. forget a machida or shogun era......i think the bones era has just arrived and is 100% LEGIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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